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(Message started by: StegRock on Jul 27^th, 2003, 6:30pm)

Title: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 27^th, 2003, 6:30pm

Okay, guys, here is the thread to put comments on. This very first post is where I will maintain the cumulative running list of picks! Enjoy, and let's have fun with it!

"FantasyFootballer.com's Gridiron/Junkyard Jake's Top 100"
1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers
2. RB Clinton Portis - Broncos
3. RB Ricky Williams - Dolphins
4. RB Priest Holmes - Chiefs
5. RB Shaun Alexander - Seahawks
6. RB Deuce McAllister - Saints
7. QB Michael Vick - Falcons
8. RB Travis Henry - Bills
9. RB Marshall Faulk - Rams
10. RB Jamal Lewis - Ravens
11. QB Donovan McNabb - Eagles
12. RB Edgerrin James - Colts
13. WR Marvin Harrison - Colts
14. QB Daunte Culpepper - Vikings
15. WR Terrell Owens - 49ers
16. RB Stephen Davis - Panthers
17. WR Randy Moss - Vikings
18. RB Corey Dillon - Bengals
19. RB William Green - Browns
20. RB Tiki Barber - Giants
21. RB Fred Taylor - Jaguars
22. WR Eric Moulds - Bills
23. QB Rich Gannon - Raiders
24. QB Peyton Manning - Colts
25. RB Curtis Martin - Jets
26. RB Ahman Green - Packers
27. QB Aaron Brooks - Saints
28. WR Joe Horn - Saints
29. WR Hines Ward - Steelers
30. RB Charlie Garner - Raiders
31. QB Brett Favre - Packers
32. RB Eddie George - Titans
33. WR David Boston - Chargers
34. WR Peerless Price - Falcons
35. TE Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs
36. WR Plaxico Burress - Steelers
37. RB T. J. Duckett - Falcons
38. WR Koren Robinson - Seahawks
39. WR Amani Toomer - Giants
40. TE Todd Heap - Ravens
41. WR Torry Holt - Rams
42. TE Jeremy Shockey - Giants
43. RB Kevan Barlow - 49ers
44. QB Jeff Garcia - 49ers
45. WR Keyshawn Johnson - Buccaneers
46. WR Chad Johnson - Bengals
47. QB Drew Bledsoe - Bills
48. QB Kurt Warner - Rams
49. WR Jerry Rice - Raiders
50. QB Trent Green - Chiefs
51. WR Donald Driver - Packers
52. RB Warrick Dunn - Falcons
53. WR Laveranues Coles - Redskins
54. WR Troy Brown - Patriots
55. WR Rod Smith - Broncos
56. WR Donte Stallworth - Saints
57. QB Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
58. QB Kerry Collins - Giants
59. RB Anthony Thomas - Bears
60. QB Chad Pennington - Jets
61. WR Jimmy Smith - Jaguars
62. WR Derrick Mason - Titans
63. RB James Stewart - Lions
64. WR Isaac Bruce - Rams
65. WR Marty Booker - Bears
66. RB Onterrio Smith - Vikings
67. QB Jake Plummer - Broncos
68. RB Trung Canidate - Redskins
69. QB Tom Brady - Patriots
70. RB Correll Buckhalter - Eagles
71. RB Antowain Smith - Patriots
72. D/ST Tampa Bay Buccaneers
73. QB Brad Johnson - Buccaneers
74. WR Rod Gardner - Redskins
75. RB Amos Zereoue - Steelers
76. WR Quincy Morgan - Browns
77. QB Steve McNair - Titans
78. RB Stacey Mack - Texans
79. RB Jerome Bettis - Steelers
80. RB Garrison Hearst - 49ers
81. RB Troy Hambrick - Cowboys
82. TE Shannon Sharpe - Broncos
83. WR Charles Rogers - Lions
84. WR Travis Taylor - Ravens
85. RB Emmitt Smith - Cardinals
86. WR Ike Hilliard - Giants
87. RB Mike Alstott - Buccaneers
88. WR Jerry Porter - Raiders
89. QB Tommy Maddox - Steelers
90. PK David Akers - Eagles
91. WR Chris Chambers - Dolphins
92. TE Bubba Franks - Packers
93. RB Duce Staley - Eagles
94. D/ST Miami Dolphins
95. WR Darrell Jackson - Seahawks
96. WR Josh Reed - Bills
97. WR Curtis Conway - Jets
98. WR Eddie Kennison - Chiefs
99. RB Moe Williams - Vikings
100. QB Drew Brees - Chargers

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 27^th, 2003, 6:49pm

Well...not too surprising the first 3 picks were Tomlinson, Portis, and Williams. I think they are interchangable as far as ranking.

I would of put Priest Holmes as #3, but questions regarding health and contract made me let him fall a little lower.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 27^th, 2003, 8:26pm

Well, "passing" on a RB, a QB taken in the top 10, a respite from the "RB run"! [smiley=zenmaster.gif] ;D

I, for one, think that Vick will lead the league this year in fantasy points in most systems. That having been said, based on the "theory of relativity" (of everything in the world), the RB's who went before him should have.

So far, so good! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Let's keep up the good work! [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 27^th, 2003, 8:36pm

Guys,

PLEASE put 2 spaces after the number and the "dot" when making your picks. E.g.:

20.(2 SPACES)Blah, blah, blah

So, it should look like:

20. Blah, blah, blah

Thank you!

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 27^th, 2003, 8:40pm

on 07/27/03 at 20:36:11, StegRock wrote:

Guys,

PLEASE put 2 spaces after the number and the "dot" when making your picks. E.g.:

20.(2 SPACES)Blah, blah, blah

So, it should look like:

20. Blah, blah, blah

Thank you!

Sorry... I figured you would want the position names aligned throughout the whole thread, hence two spaces after single digit picks and one space after double digit picks. ::)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 27^th, 2003, 9:19pm

Sorry Steg, I screwed up your format, I'll get it right with my next pick.

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Jul 27^th, 2003, 10:10pm

steg, ya beat to tiki, made my choice hit refresh, nice call.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 27^th, 2003, 11:04pm

on 07/27/03 at 20:36:11, StegRock wrote:

Guys,

PLEASE put 2 spaces after the number and the "dot" when making your picks. E.g.:

20.(2 SPACES)Blah, blah, blah

So, it should look like:

20. Blah, blah, blah

Thank you!

Thanks for understanding and complying WITH THE FORMAT (some of you ::) >:( )! [smiley=bow.gif] And, thanks for the words of support on the Tiki pick, 420! He had to go soon there! [smiley=yes.gif]

Lastly, yea, you guys made ME take the guy most of us here are dubious about, A. Green. :-/ At #26, he had to go! [smiley=yes.gif] But, my reservations regarding him remain firm.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 28^th, 2003, 12:01pm

I'm not certain this list in going in the manner that Stegey intended it to. I'm refering to the top 100 idea i mean in regards to at which pick a guy should go at. Comon Brett Favre before Jeff Garcia?? Martin and Fred Taylor before Ahman Green? Who's next MIchael Bennett?
Well at least i followed in the same train of thought. This is turning out to be a bit more of "where i hope/think" a player will produce.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 28^th, 2003, 12:14pm

on 07/28/03 at 12:01:40, DOLFAN wrote:

Jeff Garcia? You mean the guy whose back is so bad he needs an epidural just to practice part time?

Ahman Green? You mean the guy who is constantly injured and has already been mentioned as losing carries to Najeh Davenport even if he's healthy?

I think through the first 1/3 of this draft, everyone is doing an excellent job of making picks. Yes, I was a bit surprised that Brett Favre was taken at pick #31 (mid-way through the 3rd round in a 12 team redraft). But I'd have trouble shooting down any argument explaining why he belongs there.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 28^th, 2003, 12:57pm

Quite the contrary, DOLFAN! I LOVE it! The show of independent and well-grounded FF thought is GREAT! I think where the guys are falling is [smiley=bullseye.gif] ! I'm with Philly [smiley=sophisticate.gif] 100% here! I don't want to provide yet another basically photocopied top 100. [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] If that were the case, we could just post links to other sites' cheatsheets. The "experts" ::) have already weighed in... Now, it's "our" turn, the "people's" turn! [smiley=yes.gif] So, with that said, GREAT job, guys! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Keep at it! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 28^th, 2003, 1:10pm

on 07/28/03 at 12:01:40, DOLFAN wrote:

MOREOVER, I just noticed, this bullshit coming from the guy who took T. J. Duckett with the 37th pick! Come on! Please tell me you did not do that because... [smiley=no.gif] Notwithstanding what I stated above, I have to admit, that's a pretty poor pick. Moreover, if you are trying to make a "statement" about "something else", this is a childish place and way to do it! [smiley=flipoffangrily.gif]

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 28^th, 2003, 2:02pm

Hey Guys,

I think the ranking is progressing well, even the TJ Duckett pick isn't really that outlandish if you think about it. He's second-string to midget Warrick Dunn, who can't possibly endure an entire season starting, and he will get easy TD plunges in what looks to be a fairly improved offense.

As far as Ahman Green going after Curtis Martin, why not ? Green has had only a few good seasons, while Martin has been a stud for just about his entire career. Throw in the fact that they are about the same age, and it's not unreasonable to believe that Martin is due for a bounce-back season and Green will continue to underperform.

Anyway, I think everyone's doing a good job, I agree this should not represent a carbon-copy of the same boiler-plate cheat-sheet you see everywhere. (So long as noone picks something crazy like Barry Sanders or Cris Carter, remember, those guys are playing shuffleboard now).

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 28^th, 2003, 2:14pm

I have a question for ya Steg...

We are using the CBFL scoring system for this Huddle, correct?

Is it safe to assume, then, that NO defenses will be taken since even a solid defensive effort by a top Team D could result in negative scores?

Just wondered if that was your intent for this Top 100 list...

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 28^th, 2003, 2:16pm

Also, the Duckett pick wasn't awful. I think we'll see much better numbers from TJ this season. Granted, he probably went a bit earlier than I would have taken him, but then again, what do I know... I just grabbed a platoon back (in Barlow) myself...

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 28^th, 2003, 5:32pm

on 07/28/03 at 14:02:50, junkyardjake wrote:

As far as Ahman Green going after Curtis Martin, why not ? Green has had only a few good seasons, while Martin has been a stud for just about his entire career. Throw in the fact that they are about the same age, and it's not unreasonable to believe that Martin is due for a bounce-back season and Green will continue to underperform.

I agree with the sentiment there 100%, but I have to make a correction on point #2 of yours, brother. Curtis Martin is 30; Ahman Green is only 26. That's a significant age difference.

on 07/28/03 at 14:14:35, Philly wrote:

First, using the CBFL system is supposed to just be a "very loose" guideline. Point being, we are drafting according to a generic cumulative-points, performance scoring system. I kind of just meant to offer up the CBFL as an example of that.

Regarding your query about defenses specifically, don't just compare total points generated across the positions. "It's ALL relative", right? You have to compare defenses to other defenses and consider the differential, not just merely compare them alongside other positions as if they were all scored similarly. Defenses are very valuable, but scored in such a totally different way than QB's, RB's, WR's, and TE's that you just can't merely compare them side-by-side. You have to look at the differentials/deviations. I, for one, can see at least one defense's points differential compared to other defenses meriting its being selected in the top 100. [smiley=shrug.gif] I do not see the same for kickers, though. The deviations are just too small and the category is just not worth that much.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 28^th, 2003, 5:53pm

Steg, That's a good point, I didn't realize that Curtis had reached the 30 year mark. But to put that into perspective, Priest Holmes and Marshall Faulk are both 30, Emmit Smith had 1,400 yards and 11 TD's in the season he turned 30 and Ahman Green played last year like he was 36.

(And did you just pick 50 year old Jerry Rice ?)

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 28^th, 2003, 7:34pm

I don't disagree with you. I was just clarifying a fact. I DO like Curtis Martin more than Ahman Green, actually. My earlier off-season rankings, which have not changed all too much since then, I believe would substantiate that. ;D

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 28^th, 2003, 8:42pm

on 07/28/03 at 14:02:50, junkyardjake wrote:

Martin will now be giving some touches to Jordan, or so say the Jets anyway. As far as Ahman "underperforming" , ok whatever, if 1175, 1387, and 1240 yds over the last 3 yrs is underperforming, then i will take 3 UNDERPERFORMING guys like that anytime. I will see ya in the Superbowl too. I agree that injuries are issues, but he still puts up the stats yr in and yr out. Either way the picks are made now, so lets just move on and see where these players end up.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 28^th, 2003, 9:06pm

Steg,

So do you really think Jerry Rice has much left in the tank ?

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 28^th, 2003, 9:10pm

Dolfan,

I just mean 'underperforming' against his expectations, there is no doubt Green is a fine player, but his TD's have declined for the last three years. Plus, you have to wonder if Favre and his mediocre receivers can really keep defenses honest like the Packers teams of previous years.

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 28^th, 2003, 9:47pm

The problem with Ahman Green is that the pack do not have enough weapons therfore defences key on Green

Believe it or not the Jets have more possession type of personell (Chrebet, Becht, Conway, Jordan etc) and with Penniongton a little more mobile than Favre, Martin will produce better numbers assuming both stay healthy

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 12:12am

on 07/28/03 at 21:06:54, junkyardjake wrote:

Steg,

So do you really think Jerry Rice has much left in the tank ?

JYJ :^)

I think every year anymore should be assumed to be Jerry's last from the perspective of a keeper leaguer. But, I don't see any reason for Jerry not to continue in '03 the way he has over the past two years. There is no new reason this year as opposed to the last two to believe that he will drop off. Jerry Porter? :-/ Eh, he's being overrated. His real breakout season will probably be next year. Still, his continued progress this year will probably just open up the field more for Rice. I mean, whatever, all I have to say to those who think that Rice won't get his is [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] .

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 2:39pm

JYJ,

I was wondering... When and how do you plan on integrating our "Top 100" here on the Junkyard Jake site? I am REALLY looking forward to seeing how you are going to go about this!

Steg

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 3:21pm

on 07/28/03 at 14:02:50, junkyardjake wrote:

I think the ranking is progressing well, even the TJ Duckett pick isn't really that outlandish if you think about it. He's second-string to midget Warrick Dunn, who can't possibly endure an entire season starting, and he will get easy TD plunges in what looks to be a fairly improved offense.

on 07/28/03 at 14:16:06, Philly wrote:

Also, the Duckett pick wasn't awful. I think we'll see much better numbers from TJ this season. Granted, he probably went a bit earlier than I would have taken him,...

Jake, Phil, I appreciate whence you guys are coming. Here's what I don't like about the T. J. Duckett pick and it just hit me smack-dab in the head as I made pick #73 of this thing, ironically if you switch the numbers you get 37, the pick Duckett was taken at... When I make my picks, I consider, all things equal, whether or not I would trade the guy I am about to pick for other guys who would/should be ranked around that given area. I just look at T. J. Duckett and think I would NOT trade him "straight-up" and all things equal for the guy I just chose with the 73rd pick, Brad Johnson. Would you... all things equal? I can see Duckett's going ahead of Warrick Dunn, but, ultimately, Duckett should have gone around the area Dunn went, i.e., they should be in the same tier. His going 37th puts him into a higher tier he really does not belong in.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 29^th, 2003, 3:39pm

Steg,

I agree that Duckett went too high, although it could turn out that he is completely worth a pick at 37. That said, I wouldn't have picked either Duckett or Johnson that high.

Obviously, one of the keys to successful drafting is having an idea about where a player is valued before the season. If this was a real draft, and you liked Duckett, you could have waited till probably the 6th or 7th round to grab him. This would free up a spot for a more coveted player and leave you with a stronger team.

In the case of Johnson, I agree he never gets an even break. Every year there is reason to let him drop into the late rounds, and every year he turns out to be a value pick. However, I just hate spending early picks on QB's, because after McNabb, Manning, Culpepper, Brooks and, this years darling, Vick, there are like 10 guys who will perform about the same.

So getting Johnson at 73 is good deal, but drafting him at 37 probably isn't the best choice either, IMO.

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 29^th, 2003, 3:43pm

Quote:

JYJ,

I was wondering... When and how do you plan on integrating our "Top 100" here on the Junkyard Jake site? I am REALLY looking forward to seeing how you are going to go about this!

Steg

I was hoping you could help me with that. I'll send you a link to format page later tonight and we can discuss.

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 29^th, 2003, 4:04pm

on 07/29/03 at 15:21:13, StegRock wrote:

As I pointed out in my message, I wouldn't have taken Duckett that early - probably around 45-50ish or so would be more appropriate (as you pointed out with Dunn - but I wouldn't take Dunn at 52 either). But you really can't compare it to taking a QB - they're apples and oranges. Duckett has a much bigger upside than Warrick Dunn for even this year. The Falcon offense should be improved and the addition of Price on the outside could open up more running lanes for the younger, better Duckett.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 4:59pm

on 07/29/03 at 15:39:34, junkyardjake wrote:

So getting Johnson at 73 is good deal, but drafting him at 37 probably isn't the best choice either, IMO.

Jake, I think you might have misunderstood me. I think where I took (my beloved [smiley=smitten.gif] ) Brad Johnson was appropriate. I am saying that Duckett should have been picked later, NOT at all that Johnson should have gone earlier.

on 07/29/03 at 16:04:48, Philly wrote:

I wouldn't have taken Duckett that early - probably around 45-50ish or so would be more appropriate...

[smiley=yes.gif] I would say more like 50 to 60-ish, but, yea, we're thinking similarly.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 5:01pm

on 07/29/03 at 15:43:32, junkyardjake wrote:

I was hoping you could help me with that. I'll send you a link to format page later tonight and we can discuss.

JYJ :^)

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU'LL COME UP WITH! [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif] [smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by FourTwoOh on Jul 29^th, 2003, 8:07pm

on 07/29/03 at 16:04:48, Philly wrote:

(as you pointed out with Dunn - but I wouldn't take Dunn at 52 either)

I'm certainly not all that high on Dunn myself, but 52 equates to end of the 5th in a 10 teamer, early 5th in a 12. Doubt he lasts to there in most standard scoring drafts. That was my logic anyway.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 29^th, 2003, 9:22pm

Tommy Maddox was a HUGE steal at 89... I've always grabbed a QB early ... maybe I should wait - there are some good ones to get late.

...Ike Hilliard? Really?

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 29^th, 2003, 9:25pm

Yeah, Ike has something to prove this year, I like Maddox, heck I even like Kelly Holcomb with the Browns but....he may not start enough games.

What do you thing of Donovans supporting cast Thrash, Lewis, Pinkston Staley and Buckhalter???? :-/

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 29^th, 2003, 9:40pm

on 07/29/03 at 21:25:52, Bob_Oswego wrote:

Ike will have lots of trouble getting his chances with Barber, Shockey, and Toomer ahead of him...

As for the Eagles - the offensive weapons are a lot of dreck, but McNabb gets the most out of them. I'm very excited about the new guys (McMullen and Smith) and hope they can play a role this year. I'm disappointed in Staley's holdout and unsure about Buck.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 29^th, 2003, 9:47pm

Kerry and G Men are planning a 66% pass to 34% offensive play ratio to take into account Toomer, Shocker and Iker, doesn't leave much ball for Leavens or Dayne

How about Aker and the Philly DT any inside scoops?

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 10:05pm

All kinds of inside scoops on the Eagles goin' on on the "Eagles Offseason Report" thread in "the Red Zone". And, I'm thinkin' Philly, a.k.a. Jeff, will be givin' us some real good info here soon. [smiley=yes.gif]

Anyway, PK David Akers in the Top 100... YUCKY! :P

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jul 29^th, 2003, 10:19pm

I agree Stegey, no kicker should be in the top 100. Hell we only have a few DEFs in here. PLus Darrell Jackson hasn't even been picked yet.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 29^th, 2003, 10:29pm

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, one could say the same about Emmitt Smith who may not start as Marcel Shipp will be cruising. Everbody craps on kickers .... oh well such is life...hello Pat Summerall I need some help here go round up Pete Gogolak, R Guy, Jan Stenerud, just don't call Scott Norwood

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 10:35pm

Bob,

One other thing, we are really supposed to be waiting for TWO guys to pick before picking again. [smiley=shrug.gif] Thanks for your anticipated understanding and compliance! [smiley=bow.gif]

Steg

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 29^th, 2003, 10:44pm

I hear ya, guess I was making up for lost time since I started way too late (first pick in the fifties)

Good night

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29^th, 2003, 10:46pm

on 07/29/03 at 22:44:15, Bob_Oswego wrote:

I hear ya, guess I was making up for lost time since I started way too late (first pick in the fifties)

Good night

No problem, brother! Not a biggie! I really just did not want anybody else thinking that was the standard pattern. Thanks for contributing, in any case!

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 30^th, 2003, 1:04pm

Ya's know... I was thinkin' 'bout that David Akers pick again. After much deliberation, I personally have come to the conclusion that it's actually not that bad of a pick at all, AND it also showed me that my evaluation of picks like the one I made for the pick of Duckett based on "trade value all things equal" as I said in my critique before was flawed, or at least incomplete. I still don't like Duckett that high, but what I presented should not be the one and only deciding factor, which is how I presented it. It's like Philly said, in reply to that critique of mine, about not comparing dudes across positions like that, which I too have even intimated, but from a different angle. Let's take a further look at that pick of Akers in that light. I would very seldom if ever make a trade for a kicker or even one with a kicker involved even as just a throw-in or something. So, Akers' trade value, in this respect, is nil. HOWEVER, looking at our list, there is a VERY good chance I would take him in a draft over guys like Kennison and Moe Williams (in a GBRFL-type set-up), and even some of the others in your more "typical" set-up.

So, again, all-in-all, an EXCELLENT JOB,... all, and THANK YOU SO MUCH for helping out! [smiley=bow.gif]

IMPORTANT... One final note, is there any consideration to take this further, say on to a Top 150? Or, do we just (count our blessings for the avid participation we had and) let this rest where it is now, at a nice and tidy Top 100 finished in a quick three days, basically (actually less than 72 hours), and prepare ourselves for the "commencement announcement" of the GBRFL2 (the next big event on the plate), which will, alas, be comin' at ya's later today or tomorrow? ;D

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 30^th, 2003, 9:21pm

I think 100 is enough. If we try to go to 150 we'll start making some really ugly picks.

As far as Akers is concerned, using the CBFL scoring and last year's stats, Akers scored more points than a lot of the other players picked ahead of him. So if you're looking at it strictly from a total points perspective, there might have been more PKs picked.

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 31^st, 2003, 12:04am

Hey Guys,

The poll is up at:

http://www.junkyardjake.com/top100poll/picks01.htm

Thanks for all your help, and especially thanks to Steg for organizing such a smooth-running operation.

Junkyard Jake :^)

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 31^st, 2003, 2:23am

on 07/31/03 at 00:04:32, junkyardjake wrote:

I llllllllllike it! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] Awesome, awesome, awesome job, JYJ! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=bow.gif]

We will probably do another one at the end of August so our stuff can be kept reasonably up-to-date.

Anyway, I really like to see OUR TWO sites' coming together like this! One of our newest members, KKS, has, a number of times, expressed his appreciation for the creativity expressed here on "the Gridiron"; I think the same can easily be said of JunkyardJake.com. From day one, I have thought that our two sites go together like two peas in a pod. I am now enjoying our "climbing into the pod". [smiley=victory.gif]

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jul 31^st, 2003, 9:39am

Nice work JYJ... Looks great!

Mickey the Crab? [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
Post by Bob_Oswego on Jul 31^st, 2003, 12:24pm

Hey JYJ Not too "crabby" Very cool and I like your whole site as a matter of fact ...lots to keep a FF guy busy ...well done! [smiley=cheers.gif]