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(Message started by: Chumpzilla on Aug 15th, 2003, 11:22pm)
Title: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Chumpzilla on Aug 15th, 2003, 11:22pm
I have been asked to participate in a 10 team serpantine draft.  Scoring (as it relates to my question)is as follows:

1 Point/Reception.
1 Point/10 yards rushing or passing.
6 Points/TD (no distance scoring).
-2 Ponts/Interception.

You need to start:

2 QB
2 RB
3WR
1 TE
1 K
T Team Def

In analyzing "projections" based on this scoring system it is pretty obvious that QB's score the most points.  The fact that two must be started further inflates this fact.  However, when I run the league scoring system and specs through two models I use, they suggest that the first QB not be taken until the end of the first round.  I agree with this fact in that the point differentials are much greater between the RB's as opposed to the QB's.  Contrary to the common belief among owners in this leage, I feel I should take the to RB's first?  Am I missing something?  Any additional insight would be greatly appreciated.

;D
Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Referee on Aug 16th, 2003, 1:29am
INTRIGUING post, Mr. Zilla! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] But, based on our board descriptions, this thread is MUCH more suitable "between the 20's".  As such, it will be moved there.  Thank you for your anticipated understanding of what we are trying to accomplish here with "respect" to providing a well organized message-board environment as well as your future compliance. [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Philly on Aug 16th, 2003, 2:26am

on 08/15/03 at 23:22:51, Chumpzilla wrote:
I have been asked to participate in a 10 team serpantine draft.  Scoring (as it relates to my question)is as follows:

1 Point/Reception.
1 Point/10 yards rushing or passing.
6 Points/TD (no distance scoring).
-2 Ponts/Interception.

You need to start:

2 QB
2 RB
3WR
1 TE
1 K
T Team Def

In analyzing "projections" based on this scoring system it is pretty obvious that QB's score the most points.  The fact that two must be started further inflates this fact.  However, when I run the league scoring system and specs through two models I use, they suggest that the first QB not be taken until the end of the first round.  I agree with this fact in that the point differentials are much greater between the RB's as opposed to the QB's.  Contrary to the common belief among owners in this leage, I feel I should take the to RB's first?  Am I missing something?  Any additional insight would be greatly appreciated.

;D


I think part of the issue is that the RBs always get taken first in any draft - even if QBs score more total points.  If you go QB early, you'll get a good one, but then you're screwed on RBs.  If you go RB early, like everyone else, you'll get a good RB plus there will be plenty of quality QBs left.
Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Chumpzilla on Aug 16th, 2003, 10:08am
Sorry Referee!  I read the grouping decriptions and wasn't 100% sure where to post this.  Thanks for steering me straight!

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Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Chumpzilla on Aug 16th, 2003, 10:29am
In this draft I have the 9th pick.  I'm 99% sure (just knowing the owners) that the following players will be drafted somewhere in the top 8 slots:

Manning
Vick
McNaab

Williams
Tomlinson

Harrison

Since there are 6 names listed above, that means that 2 of the following group should go in the top 8 and one of them will fall to me (actually I will get 2 with the second coming back):

Holmes
James
Portis
Faulk
Alexander
McAllister
Gannon
Brooks
Culpepper
Owens
Moss

My thougts are that I grab two RB's or a RB and Owens (if available).  After the top few QB's, it seems that the differential between the #3 and #15, for example, isn't that great (as compared to the #3 vs #15 RB).  Is this sound thinking?



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Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by FourTwoOh on Aug 16th, 2003, 12:45pm
I've yet to participate in 2 qb required start system, but in my opinion, that definately changes the value of qb's vs rb. At 6 points for all td's, I'd be looking at 1 rb 1 qb in the first two. Again, have yet to have to put this to a real test, but if you're starting 20 qb's every week, grab at least one very early.
Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Razzak on Aug 17th, 2003, 1:24am

on 08/16/03 at 12:45:44, FourTwoOh wrote:
I've yet to participate in 2 qb required start system, but in my opinion, that definately changes the value of qb's vs rb. At 6 points for all td's, I'd be looking at 1 rb 1 qb in the first two. Again, have yet to have to put this to a real test, but if you're starting 20 qb's every week, grab at least one very early.


My league runs 3 qb's with 8 teams (starting 24 for the mathematically-challenged).  Go RB until there's no more every-down-backs left.  With the top qb's gettin decimated (Vick is out early, Gannon.. old maybe?, Garcia... back, Favre.. old maybe?, Culpepper.. not lookin good) I don't see too much difference between all the QB's this year.  With all TD's = 6 points and 10 yards passing = 1 point, having a rushing threat like McNabb isn't as valuable.  Therefore, I recommend grabbing 2 RB's and then grabbing QB's on bad defensive teams that should get you lots of yards, like Trent Green.  Trent should be awesome in your system.  Go with 2 RB then 2 QB.  Starting the 3rd WR makes them valuable, but you're going to have to sacrifice one position and WR is the easiest to make up.  Maybe come back for your third RB with a RBBC guy who gets a lot of receptions.

You're on the right track projecting out the rounds and the values of players.  This might help some if you're a numbers-addict: http://www.ffgridiron.com/football/article.php?id=20030703180217

Otherwise, always go 2 RB and come back later, especially if you can grab 2 of the top 7-10 RB's in your draft.    Holmes/McAllister/Hasselsuck/Maddox looks a lot better than Gannon/Brooks/Garner/Stewart.  If everyone goes QB in round 1 you can bet a buncha RB's will fly off the board between your 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Title: Re: Unique Draft (for me at least)
Post by Chumpzilla on Aug 17th, 2003, 12:24pm
Thanks Razzak!  Unfortunately I didn't get this message until this morning (draft was last night).  However, my thoughts mirrored yours and I went after RB's first.  To my disbelief, the draft unfolded like this:

1.01  Michael Vick
1.02  Peyton Manning
1.03  Donovan McNabb
1.04  Brett Favre
1.05  Ricky Williams
1.06  Marvin Harrison
1.07  Rich Gannon
1.08  LaDainian Tomlinson
1.09  Priest Holmes
1.10  Terell Owens

Yes, only THREE RB's went in the first round and I landed Holmes (I had him projected at #1 RB in this scoring system) at pick 1.09!!!

At pick 2.02 I was able to land Marshall Faulk who I had projected at #3 RB overall in this system.  

Due to the dynamics of the draft (the QB run significantly slowed) I took a gamble (by not taking a QB) at picks 3.09 and 4.02 where I selected Joe Horn and Tony Gonzalez.

At pick 6.02 I finally took my first QB in Chad Pennington and at pick 7.09 took Jay Fiedler [smiley=doh.gif].  Not the greatest QB's in the league but I gambled that my other positions would come up big.  I guess time will tell.

Thanks again for your input and I appreciate the link you provided!!!!


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