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(Message started by: DirkDiggler on Oct 6^th, 2003, 9:46pm)

Title: How to score TB play?
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 6^th, 2003, 9:46pm

OK--

Since this is a rules question I put this post here:

How does the Tampa Bay TD get scored?

Doss intercepted. That is clear. So Johnson gets the INT and INDY D gets INT.

Doss then fumbled. It was a forced fumble by the center. Since TB was technically on defense, does Tampa's D get fumble AND TD for McCardell run?

Or does McCardell get rushing yards? What about fumble recovery?

OR...does this just get called fumble recovery for TD ?

I guess you have to see the play to understand what I am asking. This is just a curiosity question...

Thanks!

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by StegRock on Oct 6^th, 2003, 11:35pm

Well, in the stat book, I believe it is considered a fumble recovery for x yards and a touchdown. Just to let you know, in the GBRFL, it is a nothing (for Keenan McCardell or Tampa Bay D/ST owners).

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by Walker Boh on Oct 7^th, 2003, 1:36am

Wow, what a comeback! :o I'm soooo glad I stayed up to watch it! This game was OVER. I'm still in shock.

As far as the play goes, I think the TB defense should be credited with a forced fumble and a TD (and it's not just because I have Tampa in both the GBRFL2 and CBFL [smiley=whistle.gif]). In my mind, the second that ball is intercepted by INDY, the TB offense becomes the TB defense.

Quote:

Just to let you know, in the GBRFL, it is a nothing (for Keenan McCardell or Tampa Bay D/ST owners).

I understand the reasoning behind this rule, I just don't agree with it. A play like this doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen and I don't see how it can be ignored, especially if INDY is getting credit for the INT. The play didn't stop there and neither should TB's chances to score (fantasy wise). They came up with a huge play and IMO the players/squads involved should get credit for it one way or another. I'm sure this issue has been addressed and voted on in the past, but I demand a recount! [smiley=protest.gif] ;)

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by StegRock on Oct 7^th, 2003, 1:59am

This is not really a topic to be agreed or disagreed upon, actually. The thing about this, Jamie, is that it is about what "unit" is on the field. At that point in time, though Tampa's offensive "unit" was now on defense, it wasn't a play made by Tampa's defensive "unit". Again, though, I understand the spirit of whence you are coming. It would be nice to include all the little, unusual things,... to account for "everything" that happens on the field. Ultimately, that play still counts as a score against Indianapolis's defense, so it's not just a "total" nothing as I stated above. But, in consideration of the administrative side of things, you have to draw the line somewhere so as to avoid an administrative nightmare for the commissioners/computer programmers of your league. Defining/Ordering things in terms of "units" definitely makes sense and makes it reasonable for all parties involved, the game players and the game makers.

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 7^th, 2003, 9:10am

Well...i am glad I asked the question. It seems other people were thinking the same things I was.

It is a huge gray area with a lot of possiblilites. There really is not defined rule. But what Steg says makes the most sense(I will rarely say that [smiley=laugh.gif])

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by Philly on Oct 7^th, 2003, 9:34am

How was it scored in everyone's other leagues?

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 7^th, 2003, 10:19am

I looked on NFL.com

It gave McCardell two TD's. The fumble recovery for TD does not show up as a stat.

Since most my leagues use the stats from NFL.com, they scored it like Steggy said.

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by Noey21 on Oct 7^th, 2003, 6:29pm

In my more fun league TB defense does not get a TO or a TD. However, McCardell does get credit for a TD.

In the QFL, Doss gets the INT then loses points for the fumble, McCardell gets a fumble recovery and the way we do fumbles is then credit for a rushing TD point wise. However, he does not get credit for rushing yards. Just for the TD points.

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by StegRock on Oct 7^th, 2003, 6:50pm

on 10/07/03 at 18:29:59, Noey21 wrote:

From how I gather the QFL system, the way Noey explains it is EXACTLY the way I would expect it to be scored. It's just logical! [smiley=yes.gif]

Administrative headaches notwithstanding, I feel the same way about my explanation above regarding leagues in which team defenses are used.

Title: Re: How to score TB play?
Post by PrimeTime on Oct 7^th, 2003, 11:21pm

In my opinion, it should not be a defensive touchdown because Tampa's defense was not involved in the play.

I can see the arguement that once the initial interception was made, Tampa's offense was then playing defense, but Tampa's offense cannot also be their defense (I hope that makes sense).

Look at Tampa's roster. Not one player who is listed as a defensive player was on the field when Tampa scored so there is no way it can be credited to Tampa's defense.

On the other hand, I think McCardell should get credited with a touchdown. However, since it was neither a rushing nor a receiving touchdown it would not count in most fantasy football scoring systems.