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(Message started by: StegRock on Apr 2nd, 2004, 3:46pm)
Title: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 2nd, 2004, 3:46pm
Fellas,

Thinkin' we might want to give one of our trademark "Huddle Up" style mock drafts a try here soon.  The "Gridiron Huddle" style goes as follows, in short:  "Someone will make the first pick.  Someone ELSE follows.  YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TWICE IN A ROW.  It would be preferable if you waited for, perhaps, at least TWO GUYS to go before going again."  Another peripheral goal of our "Huddles", as has been mentioned in the past, is:  "That it is a group activity which provides us with a fun opportunity to get to know one another better AND maybe bring a few more people in the fold in the process; so, spread the word."  Here is a link to the last one of these we did around this time last year:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;action=display;num=1049266443.

So, who's up for it?  Put your name down here!  Consider this the (preliminary) sign-up sheet.  I look forward to having fun with this with you all!
[smiley=havinablast.gif] ... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Over and Out,
Steg [smiley=smileytrash.gif]
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by kidcrash on Apr 2nd, 2004, 6:00pm
Hey steg,can I get in?huh can I can I can I.Oh please can I get In ;D
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 2nd, 2004, 9:22pm
[smiley=sultan.gif] Your wish is my command! [smiley=bow.gif]

Who else is gettin' in?
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 2nd, 2004, 10:35pm
I'm not sure I understand this whole NFL draft thing, but I'm in anyway...
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 5th, 2004, 5:24pm

on 04/02/04 at 22:35:28, Philly wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this whole NFL draft thing, but I'm in anyway...


[smiley=laugh.gif]

in

i will use the valuable resources provided by my esteemed colleagues on this site for my information.  


Great Job doing those!!!
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 5th, 2004, 7:52pm
Plenty more coming soon.   [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 9th, 2004, 12:29am
I'm lookin' to get this thing kicked off next Wednesday, April 14th, exactly 10 days before the actual NFL Draft!  I think that would be a great time to start it, strategically.  How does that sound to you guys?
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 9th, 2004, 2:23am
Fine by me.  I think this year's draft is one of the more complex and difficult ones to predict.  I anticipate a LOT of trading of pics throughout the first round.  There are a ton of quality players available and teams may want to trade down and stockpile a few early picks or trade up to grab a specific targeted player.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 9th, 2004, 11:51am

on 04/09/04 at 02:23:39, Philly wrote:
I think this year's draft is one of the more complex and difficult ones to predict.  I anticipate a LOT of trading of pics throughout the first round.  There are a ton of quality players available and teams may want to trade down and stockpile a few early picks or trade up to grab a specific targeted player.


Hmmmm... [smiley=hmmmm.gif] Do you think, in "the Gridiron" spirit of innovation and daring to be different, there is any way of our incorporating that in our mock?  If so, how?
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 9th, 2004, 11:59am
I know there is a way to do it, but I'm not a big fan of doing it.  The problem is that we don't necessarily know what is proper compensation for trades.  What does it take to move up three spots in the first round?  Certainly it is a lot more if you are trying to move up at the top of the round than it is at the bottom.  Is it worth the addition of a third round pick?  A second?  Who knows.

The Giants are rumored to be interested in moving up from #4 overall to #1 overall.  Most people believe that it is an effort to grab Eli Manning.  However I've read speculation that the Giants really want Gallery and fear he won't fall to them at #4.  How desperate are the Giants to move up?  How desperate are the Chargers to move down?  Who knows outside of Ernie Accorsi (Giants GM) and A.J. Smith (Chargers GM)???

I think it is better just to stick with the draft order and not use trades - I think it takes away some of the credibility from the mock.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 9th, 2004, 12:20pm
Ultimately, no matter how eager we are at the outset, realistically, we know we are going to be lucky the get through the first two rounds (with any "real" energy at least) and maybe only through the first.  So, after the second round, who cares (about how the picks are stacked up... we in all likelihood won't even be dealing with it and few care, anyway)?  Couldn't we (you/those who can do so intelligently, i.e., not me, I am willing to admit) just make a couple "educated" guesses beforehand as to how the first (and maybe the second round) is going to shake out and go by that list?  That does not seem to take away any "credibility" from the mock.  It's just a different, more aggressive spin.  Hell, if we nail a couple of the trades, good for us.  We'd be unique and have something to really hang our hats on.  I mean we are going to do this no matter what.  On the other hand, does the football world really need yet another mock of the same kind that is probably, hell, should (if it's going to be credible), come up with very similar results?  Absolutely not!  But, again, whatever!  Just doing it in our "huddle up" style is a bit unique in and of itself, so... [smiley=shrug.gif] I'm just trying to push the creative envelope here.  That's all.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 9th, 2004, 3:09pm

on 04/09/04 at 12:20:30, StegRock wrote:
We'd be unique and have something to really hang our hats on.


We wouldn't be unique if we included trades in a mock draft.  There are plenty of them out there that try to predict trades in their mocks.  The thing is that most of them do it so poorly that it makes their mocks irrelevant.  (And before you say, but we are a more intelligent crowd and could do it better, take a look at the huddle-mock - 2nd one -  that was done on this site last year.  Bennie Joppru was selected #7 overall?  Kelley Washington, a third-round pick, climbed into the top 10, and Talman Gardner, who almost went undrafted, was penciled in at #14 overall?)   [smiley=ohshit.gif]


Quote:
I mean we are going to do this no matter what.
Well, then why did you ask? [smiley=uh.gif]   ;)

I'm in, regardless of how it is done.  I just want to warn people that I will be much more critical of bad picks this year.   ::)
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 9th, 2004, 3:54pm

on 04/09/04 at 15:09:01, Philly wrote:
Bennie Joppru was selected #7 overall?  Kelley Washington, a third-round pick, climbed into the top 10, and Talman Gardner, who almost went undrafted, was penciled in at #14 overall?)   [smiley=ohshit.gif]


A certain admittedly under-astute (regarding the draft) member of ours was solely responsible for two of those three horrific picks. [smiley=skull.gif] I think we will have better quality of participation this year even if the quantity of participants drops a bit, WHICH IS FINE BY ME! [smiley=yes.gif]


Quote:
Well, then why did you ask? [smiley=uh.gif]   ;)


Oh, come on, dude! [smiley=annoyed.gif] You guys get me comin' and goin'.  When I don't ask, I'm a prick; when I do,... :sheesh: [smiley=shrug.gif]


Quote:
I'm in, regardless of how it is done.  I just want to warn people that I will be much more critical of bad picks this year.   ::)


GOOD! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] For all I care, if those avidly participating deem a pick to be just too WHACK, I say you implement a voting system where the pick can be removed and re-made.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 9th, 2004, 5:15pm

on 04/09/04 at 15:54:44, StegRock wrote:
For all I care, if those avidly participating deem a pick to be just too WHACK, I say you implement a voting system where the pick can be removed and re-made.


If people refer to the outstanding profiles that keep showing up "Between the 20s" then there shouldn't be any WHACK picks.

[smiley=sneaky.gif]
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by kidcrash on Apr 13th, 2004, 2:38pm
Ill be here bright and early and ready to roll,see you guys tomorrow. ;D
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by bakes781 on Apr 13th, 2004, 3:33pm
I'm in.  However, I know there isn't much time to plan this out, but can't we assign some kind of order?  For example; we could give Philly the picks of those in the NFC East or u could make it more random but include the Eagles in his group.   The Pats in mine.  Even if we can't do that, I think if we place sum kind of time limit (say 30 minutes) we can avoid having people make double picks.

Not to tell u how to do things but I've done sum mock drafts in the past.  If for instance we just have the 5 of us tomorrow we could each have 6 picks.  The 2 leftover can be determined as a group or whatever.  No matter how u wanna do it I am here ALL day til 5pm.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Philly on Apr 13th, 2004, 4:09pm

on 04/13/04 at 15:33:38, bakes781 wrote:
I'm in.  However, I know there isn't much time to plan this out, but can't we assign some kind of order?  For example; we could give Philly the picks of those in the NFC East or u could make it more random but include the Eagles in his group.   The Pats in mine.  Even if we can't do that, I think if we place sum kind of time limit (say 30 minutes) we can avoid having people make double picks.

Not to tell u how to do things but I've done sum mock drafts in the past.  If for instance we just have the 5 of us tomorrow we could each have 6 picks.  The 2 leftover can be determined as a group or whatever.  No matter how u wanna do it I am here ALL day til 5pm.


Last year it worked pretty well.  There was enough traffic that we didn't have a lot of time between picks.  We also tended to defer to the "resident expert" for each team unless it took too long for them to show up.  

They only problems that I recall were that some people (one person in particular who claimed to have inside info) made some weird picks (addressed earlier) and after the first round we had a lot fewer people interested in making picks.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by StegRock on Apr 13th, 2004, 5:15pm

on 04/13/04 at 15:33:38, bakes781 wrote:
I'm in.  However, I know there isn't much time to plan this out, but can't we assign some kind of order?  For example; we could give Philly the picks of those in the NFC East or u could make it more random but include the Eagles in his group.   The Pats in mine.  Even if we can't do that, I think if we place sum kind of time limit (say 30 minutes) we can avoid having people make double picks.

Not to tell u how to do things but I've done sum mock drafts in the past.  If for instance we just have the 5 of us tomorrow we could each have 6 picks.  The 2 leftover can be determined as a group or whatever.  No matter how u wanna do it I am here ALL day til 5pm.


Reading is fundamental... [smiley=RIF.gif] As per what the quote below of my initial post of this thread says, we use our distinctive "Huddle Up" method for these kinds of things.  That in and of itself takes care of at least a lot of the concerns you express above.  As Philly suggests, we've done a few mock drafts and mock NFL drafts here and with our using the "Huddle Up" method it usually works out great, except for the eventual fizzle-out, which is impossible to avoid.


on 04/02/04 at 15:46:46, StegRock wrote:
Fellas,

Thinkin' we might want to give one of our trademark "Huddle Up" style mock drafts a try here soon.  The "Gridiron Huddle" style goes as follows, in short:  "Someone will make the first pick.  Someone ELSE follows.  YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TWICE IN A ROW.  It would be preferable if you waited for, perhaps, at least TWO GUYS to go before going again."  Another peripheral goal of our "Huddles", as has been mentioned in the past, is:  "That it is a group activity which provides us with a fun opportunity to get to know one another better AND maybe bring a few more people in the fold in the process; so, spread the word."  Here is a link to the last one of these we did around this time last year:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;action=display;num=1049266443.

So, who's up for it?  Put your name down here!  Consider this the (preliminary) sign-up sheet.  I look forward to having fun with this with you all!
[smiley=havinablast.gif] ... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Over and Out,
Steg [smiley=smileytrash.gif]


If you want to pick for a specific team, just make sure you are following things and be around when your team comes up. [smiley=shrug.gif]
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by BarnabyWilde on Apr 13th, 2004, 8:15pm
I'm in, although it will be in a limited role.
Title: Re: Annual NFL Mock Drafts on "the Gridiron"!
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Apr 13th, 2004, 9:08pm
I'll help out if neeeded with the T Bay picks.


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