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(Message started by: StegRock on Apr 14^th, 2004, 1:13am)

Title: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commentary
Post by StegRock on Apr 14^th, 2004, 1:13am

This is where to put your comments and conduct discussion on our NFL Mock Draft, fellas!

Comprehensive list:

1. San Diego Chargers - Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss
2. Oakland Raiders - Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
3. Arizona Cardinals - Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami of Ohio
4. New York Giants - Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
5. Washington Redskins - Sean Taylor, S, Univ of Miami
6. Detroit Lions - Kenechi Udeze, DE, USC
7. Cleveland Browns - Kellen Winslow, Jr., TE, Univ of Miami
8. Atlanta Falcons - Roy Williams, WR, Texas
9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Mike Williams, WR, USC
10. Houston Texans - Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
11. Pittsburgh Steelers - DeAngelo Hall, CB, Virginia Tech
12. New York Jets - Vince Wilfork, DT, Univ of Miami
13. Buffalo Bills - Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio St
14. Chicago Bears - Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
16. San Francisco 49ers - Dunta Robinson, CB, Univ of South Carolina
17. Denver Broncos - Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St
18. New Orleans Saints - DJ Williams, LB, Univ of Miami
19. Minnesota Vikings - Will Smith, DE, Ohio St
20. Miami Dolphins - Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England Patroits - Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
22. Dallas Cowboys - Vernon Carey, OL, Univ of Miami
23. Seattle Seahawks - Jonathon Vilma, LB, Univ of Miami
24. Cincinnati Bengals - Will Poole, CB, USC
25. Green Bay Packers - Philip Rivers, QB, NC State
26. St. Louis Rams - Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
27. Tennessee Titans - Donnell Washington, DT, Clemson
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Darnell Dockett, DT, Florida State
29. Indianapolis Colts - Karlos Dansby, LB, Auburn
30. Kansas City Chiefs - Rashaun Woods, WR, Oklahoma St.
31. Carolina Panthers - Lee Evans, WR, Wisconsin
32. New England Patriots - Daryl Smith, LB, Georgia Tech
33. Arizona Cardinals - Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma
34. New York Giants - Justin Smiley, OG, Alabama
35. San Diego Chargers - Marcus Tubbs, DT, Texas
36. Detriot Lions - Chris Perry, RB, Michigan
37. Cleveland Browns - Jacob Rogers, OT, USC
38. Atlanta Falcons - Ahmad Carroll, CB, Arkansas
39. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama
40. Houston Texans - Nat Dorsey, OT, Georgia Tech
41. Denver Broncos - Ben Watson, TE, Georgia
42. Tennessee Titans - Marquise Hill, DE, LSU
43. Buffalo Bills - J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
44. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan
45. Oakland Raiders - Greg Jones, RB, Florida St.
46. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Clayton, WR, LSU
47. Chicago Bears - Ricardo Colclough, CB, Tusculum
48. New Orleans - Keith Smith, CB, McNeese St.
49. Cincinnati Bengals - Dwan Edwards, DT, Oregon St.
50. Minnesota Vikings - Michael Boulware, LB, Florida St.
51. Baltimore Ravens - Devery Henderson, WR, LSU
52. Dallas Cowboys - Shawntae Spencer, Cb, Pittsburgh
53. Seattle Seahawks - Igor Olshansky, DT, Oregon
54. Denver Broncos - Michael Jenkins, WR, Ohio St.
55. Green Bay Packers - Matt Ware, CB, UCLA
56. New England Patriots - Chris Snee, G, Boston College
57. Tennessee Titans - Teddy Lehman, LB, Oklahoma
58. Philadelphia Eagles - Dontarrious Thomas, LB, Auburn
59. Indianapolis Colts - Jeremy LeSueur, CB, Michigan
60. New Orleans Saints - Isaac Sopoaga, DT, Hawaii
61. Kansas City Chiefs - Joey Thomas, CB, Montana St.
62. Carolina Panthers - Sean Jones, FS, Georgia
63. New England Patriots - Courtney Watson, LB, Notre Dame
64. Arizona Cardinals - Terry Johnson, DT, Washington
65. New York Giants - Matt Schaub, QB, Virginia
66. San Diego Chargers - Keary Colbert, WR, USC
67. Oakland Raiders - Demorrio Williams, LB, Nebraska
68. Cleveland Browns - Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech
69. Atlanta Falcons - Matthias Askew, DT, Michigan St

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 14^th, 2004, 8:24am

Eli Manning is going to go first in the draft. The question is which team wants him bad enough to trade up. I see the Giants moving up to take this pick.

(On I side note, I think the chargers will then in turn trade out of the 4th spot too.)

In my opinion, he is the elite QB of the draft. A lot of people have other quarterbacks high in the draft, but I think he will be the man when all is said and done. He almost single handly turned around Ole Miss against some tough competition. I think he can do the same for a professional franchise. He is good enough to start his rookie year.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 14^th, 2004, 10:25am

Washington Redskins get the man they wanted. They get Sean Taylor, best Defensive player on the board. He is a perfect fit for Gregg Williams defensive scheme. The Skins are throwing up smoke signals that they want Gallery, but I don't think a trade will get done. I think they just want to force the Giants hand.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 14^th, 2004, 1:19pm

You guys are doin' a great job! [smiley=bow.gif] Remember there is no rush. Go as far as you can. You've got 10 days. I'd love to see this thing go for FOUR or so rounds! [smiley=yes.gif] ... [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

Also, since I'm not going to be participating (unless I am really inspired at a particular moment and feel adequately capable/knowledgeable to make a particular pick), I thought I would maintain the comprehensive list of picks for you all. It is in the first post of this thread as you can see. I will just update it from time to time.

Also on a related note, PLEASE maintain the standard format, at least as a favor to me. It makes maintaining the comprehensive list MUCH easier on me when I go to cut and paste the picks from the other thread. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 14^th, 2004, 3:15pm

I think if the first 5 picks happen to go down as we have projected, the Lions would look to definitely trade down (most likely with the Pats). Sean Taylor is the guy many "experts" believe the Lions have their eye on.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 15^th, 2004, 10:06am

Wow. Couple of surprises in our mock draft already. Sean Taylor to the Redskins is one.

Tommie Harris slipping to the Titans is another.

The biggest surprise in my mind was the pick made by Philly. Pittsburgh not taking Phillip Rivers shocked me.

It makes the pick for the Bills pretty easy.....Phillip Rivers.

I have the Jets taking Wilfork. Going with best player on the board strategy. Not a need, but I see the Jets trading out if it stands like this. Cause the depth at corner in this draft is HUGE.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 15^th, 2004, 10:17am

Oops sorry I guess I don't have Rivers ranked as highly as you Dirk. If there are any surprises I'd say not having a RB taken by now is the biggest.

With the loss of Winfield, I felt Gamble was the perfect fit. Vincent's best years are behind him & the Bills seem to have a fondness for Buckeye CBs. Besides I'm not so sure the Bill's front office is ready to admit to their fans that they made a mistake with Bledsoe.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 15^th, 2004, 10:25am

on 04/15/04 at 10:06:16, DirkDiggler wrote:

The biggest surprise in my mind was the pick made by Philly. Pittsburgh not taking Phillip Rivers shocked me.

Rivers is an option, and I considered him, but I thought that DeAngelo Hall was just too good to pass up at #11. The Steelers certainly need a stud CB, and Hall is the highest rated one. I could see the Steelers possibly moving up to grab Roethlisberger (who I don't think will go to Arizona) or moving down to select Rivers later in the round.

Quote:

It makes the pick for the Bills pretty easy.....Phillip Rivers.

Again, a nice possibility for the Bills.

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I have the Jets taking Wilfork. Going with best player on the board strategy. Not a need, but I see the Jets trading out if it stands like this. Cause the depth at corner in this draft is HUGE.

Wilfork is a stud, but they traded up to get a DT last year, so they might be more interested in grabbing a CB here. Remember that Coach Herm Edwards is a former DB himself and is rumored to really like Chris Gamble (plus Dunta Robinson is climbing the boards quickly too)...

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 15^th, 2004, 12:18pm

on 04/15/04 at 10:17:05, bakes781 wrote:

With the loss of Winfield, I felt Gamble was the perfect fit. Vincent's best years are behind him & the Bills seem to have a fondness for Buckeye CBs.

...

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Besides I'm not so sure the Bill's front office is ready to admit to their fans that they made a mistake with Bledsoe.

I'm just trying to figure out how this second part fits/helps your argument, logically. Does it? Or, was it just a parting potshot from a Patriots fan? [smiley=patriot.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 15^th, 2004, 12:44pm

on 04/15/04 at 12:18:41, StegRock wrote:

I'm just trying to figure out how this second part fits/helps your argument, logically. Does it?

Well when making the selection for an NFL team I'm trying to look at it through their eyes. They've invested a boat load of money in the idea that Drew is their franchise QB. My theory is that things seem to always happen in 3s. So I am thinking they wanna give it one more year before they decide whether or not they have to rethink that idea.

on 04/15/04 at 12:18:41, StegRock wrote:

Or, was it just a parting potshot from a Patriots fan? [smiley=patriot.gif] ... ;)

Actually I'm in the minority on Bledsoe. I liked him while he was here. On the other hand, it is painfully clear that Drew & QBs of his type are not made to last in this era of football.

So perhaps I did contradict myself. I just feel Buffalo has invested far too much to be willing to throw it all away after only 2 seasons.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 15^th, 2004, 1:10pm

on 04/15/04 at 12:44:52, bakes781 wrote:

I don't think you contradicted yourself. I understood your thinking.(scarey)

With that being said, I see Rivers as the QB of the future in Buffalo. He can sit behind Bledsoe for a year, year and half getting ready to be the main man.

To be honest, I really hate my pick of Wilfork by the Jets. I don't think they would take him. However, I don't the Jets staying where they are given the way our draft played out. IMO they would trade down since there is not much difference between Hall, Gamble, Smith, etc at the cornerback position. So, going by best player on the board, it is actually a good VALUE pick.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 15^th, 2004, 1:11pm

...And, thus, you don't have them selecting a quarterback! Gotchya, bakes! That implicit possibility was not made explicit enough for me to follow. It went by me too fast. [smiley=doh.gif] No flaw or contradiction at all in your logic, in any case, bakes. Maybe a bit over-concise in your initial explanation, a bit of a leap in logic perhaps, leaving too much between the lines for us under-informed to have to read, but your ultimate reasoning, at least, is solid. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 15^th, 2004, 1:28pm

on 04/15/04 at 13:11:33, StegRock wrote:

...And, thus, you don't have them selecting a quarterback!

That's why I was initially confused by your comment. I could have said just that, but instead I had to over analyze it as usual. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 15^th, 2004, 1:42pm

Number 14 to the Bears was a tough one. Wilfork was their #1 choice, but he went earleir than they expected.

So, the question was to go best player available (Will Smith?) or draft for need. Since they missed out on Wilfork, they could consider trading down a few spots to a team interested in a DE or even Philip Rivers at QB.

But Randy Starks is a very solid DT and it is a position of definite need. Brian Urlacher is a great MLB, but only when he has blockers in front of him. He's too small to work off of blocks and needs open space to make plays (like he did when he had Ted Washington and Keith Traylor in front of him in 2001).

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 16^th, 2004, 8:26am

THe 49ers pick was a tough one. They were targeting Reggie Williams but he went to the Bucs.

THey really need a receiver, but it was too early to take any of the receivers left. Dunta Robinson does fill a need at cornerback.

However, with all this being said, the 49ers have openly stated they want to move out of this spot. They have many many holes to fill and they want more picks. I see a team like New England moving up to this spot to jump ahead of the Broncos to take a DE or Steven Jackson who is still on the board. ( It is rumored the Broncos may take a running back)

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 16^th, 2004, 9:25am

on 04/16/04 at 08:26:31, DirkDiggler wrote:

( It is rumored the Broncos may take a running back)

Steg, WalkerBoh? Either of you want to take this pick? I too was leaning towards Steven Jackson, although maybe one of you has the inside skinny on their true intents...

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 16^th, 2004, 11:02am

Sorry for stepping in but I'd really like to get to the Pats pick at 21 before 5 o'clock today. Especially seeing as how I won't likely have access to the net over the weekend.

As the 2 previously posted, Steven Jackson makes sense here. Although with BIG Will Smith still looming the temptation was there. Also I wouldn't be shocked if it was the Broncos who grabbed Rivers. Denver has a long history of success with backs that weren't highly regarded coming out of college, so drafting a RB this early is out of character for them.

However, in the end Jackson is the best value at this point of the draft & he fills a glaring need with the trade of Portis.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 16^th, 2004, 11:54am

Regarding the pick made for my Donkos, given how this mock draft is going, I was thinking tailback, as well. If I had made the pick, I too would have taken Steven Jackson.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 16^th, 2004, 1:36pm

on 04/16/04 at 11:02:08, bakes781 wrote:

Sorry for stepping in but I'd really like to get to the Pats pick at 21 before 5 o'clock today. Especially seeing as how I won't likely have access to the net over the weekend.

If we aren't to #21 by the time your shift ends, send your pick to someone and I'm sure they'll be happy to post it for you.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Mossaholic on Apr 16^th, 2004, 9:54pm

I'm not sure how this mock draft works or who is going to do the selection for the Vikes[smiley=viking.gif] but can I suggest Will Smith, the obvious choice. I can't believe he is still available and would be a dream for the Vikes if he fell to 19 [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif].

He would fit a huge need for the Vikes especially with Mixon's [smiley=alcoholic.gif] conviction and his suspension to follow.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Mossaholic on Apr 16^th, 2004, 10:03pm

I went ahead and picked Will Smith For the Vikings. I hope I did not step on anyone's toes.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 16^th, 2004, 10:12pm

on 04/16/04 at 22:03:03, Mossaholic wrote:

I went ahead and picked Will Smith For the Vikings. I hope I did not step on anyone's toes.

You better check with Mike Tice... but I think he'd be VERY happy with your decision. ;)

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 16^th, 2004, 10:40pm

on 04/16/04 at 22:03:03, Mossaholic wrote:

I went ahead and picked Will Smith For the Vikings. I hope I did not step on anyone's toes.

NOT AT ALL, Mossman! Everybody (knowledgable of this stuff, which does not include me :-[ ) is WELCOME to join in! Just don't go twice in a row! Preferably, wait for two dudes to go before going again.
"That's all, folks!"-[smiley=pig.gif] Enjoy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Mossaholic on Apr 17^th, 2004, 1:11am

on 04/16/04 at 22:12:05, Philly wrote:

You better check with Mike Tice... but I think he'd be VERY happy with your decision. ;)

I just called Mike he said, "whatever" he was cool with it. [smiley=awwgee.gif]

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NOT AT ALL, Mossman! Everybody (knowledgable of this stuff, which does not include me ) is WELCOME to join in! Just don't go twice in a row! Preferably, wait for two dudes to go before going again.
"That's all, folks!"- Enjoy!

Thanks Steg. I guess I could Have read the rules on the mock draft thread before posting those replies [smiley=doh.gif].

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 17^th, 2004, 1:30am

No prob, Mossman!

By the way, fellas, a heads up, I've got bakes's next pick for his beloved [smiley=smitten.gif] Patriots [smiley=patriot.gif] at #21 if we get it there this weekend. [smiley=commander.gif]-"So, let's move it!" [smiley=onit.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 17^th, 2004, 4:31am

Dolphins get the guy they were targeting. Shawn Andrews of Arkansas is the consenus number two offensive lineman in the draft behind Gallery and ahead of Jacob Rogers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bucs end up taking Andrews and the Dolphins end up with Rogers. Either way, the Dolphins need a OT.

ANd now Bakes is on the clock with the Patriots. Does he go running back? Or linebacker? Tough decision.......

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 17^th, 2004, 8:42am

Looks like the Pats went RB. (bakes had this as his choice too.) Good selection for the Pats who will be very busy during the early parts of this draft.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 17^th, 2004, 8:51am

Cowboys have many areas of need - RB, OL, CB... but the one that makes the most sense at this position is OL. Vernon Carey is a versatile player who can play anywhere on the OL and would be solid at tackle. It's still too early to grab one of the second tier RBs and there are plenty of solid CBs left for their picks later in the draft.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 17^th, 2004, 9:37am

on 04/17/04 at 08:51:00, Philly wrote:

Philly--

Strictly taking a linebacker(inside or outside), who would you have higher....Carey or Vilma?

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by kidcrash on Apr 17^th, 2004, 9:48am

I guess I should of read the commentary before taking bakes pick [smiley=doh.gif]please feel free to delete this pick.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 17^th, 2004, 4:48pm

Hey, guys, the "Comprehensive" list of picks in the first post of this thread has been updated through pick #23! [smiley=bow.gif] Keep up the good work! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 17^th, 2004, 6:31pm

on 04/17/04 at 09:37:39, DirkDiggler wrote:

Philly--

Strictly taking a linebacker(inside or outside), who would you have higher....Carey or Vilma?

I don't think you meant Carey, since he's an offensive lineman... but to answer your question, I personally have Vilma as the highest rated LB available. I like him better than his teammate DJ Williams or Karlos Dansby, or anyone else who might be highly ranked.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 18^th, 2004, 5:04pm

Cincinatti was disappointed to see both Miami's LB off the board. So with the recent incident involving Weathersby, they went cornerback.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 19^th, 2004, 9:01am

Thanks guys. After a weekend of reflecting & studying, I gave a lot of thought to the possibility of selecting Vilma over Kevin Jones. However with everybody raving about his explosiveness as an outside runner, Kevin was the better choice in my opinion. I'd be happy with either player at 21. If we do go a different direction than RB at 21 then I would target another Jones, no not Greg, but Julius in the 3rd round. Incidently my 1st choice was Andrews but of course our hated rivals down in Miami had the same idea.

On the Titans selection. Washington appears to be climbing up everybodies board. Could he be another "combine caper"? Or will his outstanding work on the track translate to great things on the field? [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 19^th, 2004, 11:41am

The thing with Donnell Washington, I think, is that he was a dominant DT as a junior this past year. However, he was regarded as a bit undisciplined and lazy - a player who relied purely on his talent to succeed. However, following the season he really dedicated himself to getting in better shape and dropped a good deal of weight. I think teams have talked to him and gotten a good feel from him.

Incidentally, his combine numbers were good, but nothing amazing. In fact, Igor Olshansky and Isaac Sopoaga both had much better overall numbers at the combine--and helped their causes immensely--however neither will go ahead of Donnell Washington.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 19^th, 2004, 7:17pm

"Comprehensive" list of picks in the initial post of this thread updated through pick #31! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 20^th, 2004, 8:38am

Just thought it would be wise to post the draft order for round 2 so there's no confusion. Now since we began this mock draft prior to the Pat's deal (#56 for Corey Dillon) I think it's only fair that we stick with the order in which we started. Obviously the Pats won't likely take a RB in the 1st round now, but we can't go back & change that.

33. Arizona Cardinals - Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma
34. New York Giants -
35. San Diego Chargers -
36. Detroit Lions -
37. Cleveland Browns -
38. Atlanta Falcons -
39. Jacksonville Jaguars -
40. Houston Texans -
41. Denver Broncos -
42. Tennessee Titans -
43. Buffalo Bills -
44. Pittsburgh Steelers -
45. Oakland Raiders -
46. San Francisco 49ers -
47. Chicago Bears -
48. New Orleans Saints -
49. Cincinnati Bengals -
50. Minnesota Vikings -
51. Baltimore Ravens -
52. Dallas Cowboys -
53. Seattle Seahawks -
54. Denver Broncos -
55. Green Bay Packers -
56. New England Patriots -
57. Tennessee Titans -
58. Philadelphia Eagles -
59. Indianapolis Colts -
60. New Orleans Saints -
61. Kansas City Chiefs -
62. Carolina Panthers -
63. New England Patriots -

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 20^th, 2004, 9:13am

Giants grab the best pure tackle in the draft, and now the best pure guard is waiting for them in round two. If this happens, Tiki will have room to run and Kerry will have time to throw.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 20^th, 2004, 9:28am

I think it's time we speed things up around here. [smiley=ontheclock.gif] The actual draft is only days away. The Chargers have MANY needs. Tubbs is probably just short for TUBBY. He's potentially the next Ted Washington.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 20^th, 2004, 10:43am

Initial post containing the "Comprehensive" list has been updated through pick #37! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Tony_O on Apr 20^th, 2004, 12:20pm

At number 36, Detriot takes a local boy, Chris Perry, out of Michigan who is a good all around Running Back who should fit into the west coast offensive scheme well. Right now, Pinner, is a question mark and Byrson and Gary proved last year that "they" were not the answer to the Lions running back problems.

At number 38, Atlanta drafted a WR in the first round adressing a major area of concern and now in the second they take care of the next position that lacks depth CB. They select Ahamd Carroll the best CB left on the board.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 20^th, 2004, 12:35pm

The Jags are thrilled to see one of the best pass-rushers in the draft waiting for them in the second round. Odom has first round talent and will fill a big need for Jax.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Tony_O on Apr 20^th, 2004, 2:14pm

With the 41st pick, denver tries to replace Shannon Sharpe with Ben Watson.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 20^th, 2004, 2:44pm

Comprehensive list updated through pick #42!

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 20^th, 2004, 5:01pm

Now I know what you're going to say. Why did I go on about how Buffalo doesn't need to draft a QB on day 1 & then go on to select Losman with their 2nd pick?

Well 1st & most glaring reason, is lack of talent left at DE, their position of greatest need. 2nd Gamble could potentially fill a need at WR. Finally, for the simple fact that there are many who think QB is of immediate need & J.P. is a great value at this point.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 21^st, 2004, 8:35am

The 49ers can't believe their eyes. A WR that they may have considered in the first round, Michael Clayton, is still waiting for his name to be called when the Niners pick a second time.

What a great draft pool. Here we are half way through the second round and there is still some first round talent available!

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 21^st, 2004, 9:28am

The 47th pick of Chicago, Colclough was primarily based on value more than need. Not sure which is harder to pronounce his name or his school, Tusculum. But according to scouts, this division II star has the speed & play making ability to be a major threat in dime packages & on special teams.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Tony_O on Apr 21^st, 2004, 1:17pm

After Getting the versatile Lineman, Vernon Carey, in the first round the Cowboys add a good, young, and physical CB in Shanwtae Spencer who is rising up many teams draft boards. They hope to grab a RB in the 3rd round.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Mossaholic on Apr 21^st, 2004, 1:18pm

The Vikings are grinning ear to ear ;D. They have been able to address their two biggest needs in the first two rounds with solid picks [smiley=toocool.gif].

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Tony_O on Apr 21^st, 2004, 1:22pm

Would you have selected someone else with the Vikings 2nd rounder. The only other person I was really thinking of was Sean Jones S, Georgia, but both of the Vikings Safties performed well last year. I guess they could always try and find a #2 wideout again?

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Mossaholic on Apr 21^st, 2004, 1:34pm

on 04/21/04 at 13:22:59, Tony_O wrote:

I would have drafted the same for the Vikings [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. If I changed anything it might have been drafting Lehman instead of Bouleware but both are good picks and the Vikes would be very happy with either.

The WR is no longer a priorty since they signed Robinson for the #2 spot and hopefully Burleson will be able to have a good second year in the #3 spot with Campell being #4.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 21^st, 2004, 1:47pm

on 04/21/04 at 13:34:34, Mossaholic wrote:

I would have drafted the same for the Vikings [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. If I changed anything it might have been drafting Lehman instead of Boulware but both are good picks and the Vikes would be very happy with either.

Boulware will probably end up playing safety in the NFL. He is too small and too weak to take on TEs and OLs as a LB.

Teddy Lehman will probably be gone by the time the Vikes pick in round 2. Other possibilities would be Dontarrious Thomas (if still around), Daryl Smith, and Courtney Watson.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 21^st, 2004, 3:51pm

Recap of the 2nd round so far:

33. Arizona Cardinals - Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma
34. New York Giants - Justin Smiley, OG, Alabama
35. San Diego Chargers - Marcus Tubbs, DT, Texas
36. Detriot Lions - Chris Perry, RB, Michigan
37. Cleveland Browns - Jacob Rogers, OT, USC
38. Atlanta Falcons - Ahmad Carroll, CB, Arkansas
39. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama
40. Houston Texans - Nat Dorsey, OT, Georgia Tech
41. Denver Broncos - Ben Watson, TE, Georgia
42. Tennessee Titans - Marquise Hill, DE, LSU
43. Buffalo Bills - J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
44. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan
45. Oakland Raiders - Greg Jones, RB, Florida St.
46. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Clayton, WR, LSU
47. Chicago Bears - Ricardo Colclough, CB, Tusculum
48. New Orleans Saints - Keith Smith, CB, McNeese St.
49. Cincinnati Bengals - Dwan Edwards, DT, Oregon St.
50. Minnesota Vikings - Michael Boulware, LB, Florida St.
51. Baltimore Ravens - Devery Henderson, WR, LSU
52. Dallas Cowboys - Shawntae Spencer, Cb, Pittsburgh
53. Seattle Seahawks - Igor Olshansky, DT, Oregon
54. Denver Broncos - Michael Jenkins, WR, Ohio St.
55. Green Bay Packers - Matt Ware, CB, UCLA
56. New England Patriots - Chris Snee, G, Boston College
57. Tennessee Titans - Teddy Lehman, LB, Oklahoma
58. Philadelphia Eagles - Dontarrious Thomas, LB, Auburn
59. Indianapolis Colts - Jeremy LeSueur, CB, Michigan
60. New Orleans Saints - Isaac Sopoaga, DT, Hawaii

Still to go:

61. Kansas City Chiefs -
62. Carolina Panthers -
63. New England Patriots -

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 21^st, 2004, 4:57pm

Great pick, Mossaholic, for the Titans. Lehman is an underrated LB and I actually thought he was already selected in this mock. (Maybe I should pay attention.)

Eagles get a LB that can back up inside and outside positions initially and will probably step in and be starting before the year is done.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by DirkDiggler on Apr 21^st, 2004, 5:05pm

Indy drafts their second defense player of the draft, needing to replace all the players that left. Got Dansby in the 1st, and Jeremy LeSueur(CB) in the second. He fills a need.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Mossaholic on Apr 21^st, 2004, 5:35pm

The Titans have really worked on their D adding DT Washington, DE Hill, and LB Lehman. Some O-Line probably would have filled a bigger need but Lehman was just to appealing at the end of the second round.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 22^nd, 2004, 12:24am

Comprehensive list in initial post updated through pick #61. Also, bakes, great job on maintaining the 2nd Round, especially with my being away and not around as much. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Thanks! [smiley=bow.gif] And, GREAT job, to everybody participating. You guys are doing a hell of a job! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 22^nd, 2004, 1:20pm

OK... Round 2 is complete. Everyone ready to move on to round 3? Here is the draft order.

64 CARDINALS
65 GIANTS
66 CHARGERS
67 RAIDERS
68 BROWNS
69 FALCONS
70 JAGUARS
71 TEXANS
72 JAGUARS
73 LIONS
74 BILLS
75 STEELERS
76 JETS
77 49ERS
78 BEARS
79 BUCS
80 BENGALS
81 SAINTS
82 VIKINGS
83 COWBOYS
84 SEAHAWKS
85 BRONCOS
86 PACKERS
87 DOLPHINS
88 RAVENS
89 EAGLES
90 COLTS
91 RAMS
92 TITANS
93 CHIEFS
94 PANTHERS
95 PATRIOTS
96 BENGALS

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 23^rd, 2004, 1:17am

The comprehensive list in the initial post has been updated through the current pick, i.e. Round 2, pick #64. You guys have done a great job! Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif] Feel free to continue into and on through Round 3!

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by bakes781 on Apr 23^rd, 2004, 10:31am

Well from the time we started this thread up until now we've seen 2 players get denied entry, the Pats address their biggest need via a trade & the latest talk is that the consensus #1 is threatening to boycott his first season. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

With that said at #65 the NY Giants select QB Matt Schaub. Hey it could happen. Yeah right [smiley=whatever.gif]

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Tony_O on Apr 23^rd, 2004, 11:27am

The Raiders try and fill the holes left by the departure of Eric Barton and the retirement of Romo in the third round by selecting an outside linebacker.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by Philly on Apr 23^rd, 2004, 1:28pm

The Browns, after choosing Kellen Winslow and Jacob Rogers, really needed to start looking at the defensive side of the ball, but Jake Grove, a potential early second round pick was just too good of value at a position of need to pass up.

Title: Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
Post by StegRock on Apr 24^th, 2004, 1:21am

Well, what amounts probably to the final update is up in the initial post of this thread. We got through pick #69! PERFECT! Maybe that should become "the Gridiron" tradition. We do it through 69! [smiley=yes.gif] ... [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] Just a thought. In any event, it's an insidiously clever stopping point. [smiley=wiseguy.gif] And, it came so naturally (for us). [smiley=pimpin.gif] ... ;)