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(Message started by: StegRock on Jun 13th, 2004, 9:14pm)
Title: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 13th, 2004, 9:14pm
On this, the very first post of this thread, I will maintain position-by-position cheatsheets.  This will also act as our commentary thread.  Don't put comments on the picks thread on the CBFL board!  Put them here!  Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif]

Cheatsheets
(To view the actual draft, go to:
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=54;action=display;num=1087175612.)

QB's
1.  Daunte Culpepper - Vikings
2.  Peyton Manning - Colts
3.  Michael Vick - Falcons
4.  Donovan McNabb - Eagles
5.  Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
6.  Marc Bulger - Rams
7.  Trent Green - Chiefs
8.  Chad Pennington - Jets
9.  Tom Brady - Patriots
10.  Brett Favre - Packers
11.  Steve McNair - Titans
12.  Aaron Brooks - Saints
13.  Jake Plummer - Broncos
14.  Jake Delhomme - Panthers
15.  Jeff Garcia - Browns
16.  Joey Harrington - Lions
17.  Brad Johnson - Buccaneers
18.  Carson Palmer - Bengals
19.  Byron Leftwich - Jaguars
20.  Josh McCown - Cardinals
21.  Drew Bledsoe - Bills
22.  David Carr - Texans
23.  Tommy Maddox - Steelers
24.  Mark Brunell - Jaguars
25.  Rich Gannon - Raiders
26.  Kyle Boller - Ravens
27.  A. J. Feeley - Dolphins

RB's
1.  Priest Holmes - Chiefs
2.  Deuce McAllister - Saints
3.  LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers
4.  Clinton Portis - Redskins
5.  Jamal Lewis - Ravens
6.  Ahman Green - Packers
7.  Shaun Alexander - Seahawks
8.  Ricky Williams - Dolphins
9.  Kevan Barlow - 49ers
10.  Fred Taylor - Jaguars
11.  Edgerrin James - Colts
12.  Domanick Davis - Texans
13.  Travis Henry - Bills
14.  Marshall Faulk - Rams
15.  Rudi Johnson - Bengals
16.  Corey Dillon - Patriots
17.  Michael Bennett - Vikings
18.  Kevin Jones - Lions
19.  Brian Westbrook - Eagles
20.  Julius Jones - Cowboys
21.  Tiki Barber - Giants
22.  Stephen Davis - Panthers
23.  Curtis Martin - Jets
24.  Marcel Shipp - Cardinals
25.  Duce Staley - Steelers
26.  Charlie Garner - Buccaneers
27.  TJ Duckett - Falcons
28.  Thomas Jones - Bears
29.  Lee Suggs - Browns
30.  Correll Buckhalter - Eagles
31.  Warrick Dunn - Falcons
32.  Eddie George - Titans
33.  Onterrio Smith - Vikings
34.  Justin Fargas - Raiders
35.  Tatum Bell - Broncos
36.  DeShaun Foster - Panthers
37.  Willis McGahee - Bills
38.  Chris Brown - Titans
39.  William Green - Browns
40.  LaMont Jordan - Jets
41.  Quentin Griffin - Broncos
42.  Anthony Thomas - Bears
43.  Garrison Hearst - Broncos
44.  Steven Jackson - Rams
45.  Mike Alstott - Buccaneers
46.  Tyrone Wheatley - Raiders
47.  Dominic Rhodes - Colts
48.  Greg Jones - Jaguars
49.  Musa Smith - Ravens
50.  Chris Perry - Bengals
51.  Najeh Davenport - Packers

WR's
1.  Randy Moss - Vikings
2.  Tory Holt - Rams
3.  Marvin Harrison - Colts
4.  Terrell Owens - Eagles
5.  Hines Ward - Steelers
6.  Chad Johnson - Bengals
7.  Steve Smith - Panthers
8.  Joe Horn - Saints
9.  Anquan Boldin - Cardinals
10.  Santana Moss - Jets
11.  Laveranues Coles - Redskins
12.  Derrick Mason - Titans
13.  Andre Johnson - Texans
14.  Jimmy Smith - Jaguars
15.  Eric Moulds - Bills
16.  Koren Robinson - Seahawks
17.  Peerless Price - Falcons
18.  Darrell Jackson - Seahawks
19.  Charles Rogers - Lions
20.  Javon Walker - Packers
21.  Chris Chambers - Dolphins
22.  Amani Toomer - Giants
23.  Jerry Porter - Raiders
24.  Rod Smith - Broncos
25.  Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals
26.  Plaxico Burress - Steelers
27.  Marty Booker - Bears
28.  Justin McCareins - Jets
29.  Isaac Bruce - Rams
30.  David Boston - Dolphins
31.  Ashley Lelie - Broncos
32.  Daunte Stallworth - Saints
33.  Keenan McCardell - Buccaneers
34.  Marcus Robinson - Vikings
35.  Keyshawn Johnson - Cowboys
36.  David Givens - Patriots
37.  Reggie Wayne - Colts
38.  Donald Driver - Packers
39.  Brandon Lloyd - 49ers
40.  Andre Davis - Browns
41.  Roy Williams - Lions
42.  Deion Branch - Patriots
43.  Peter Warrick - Bengals
44.  Drew Bennett - Titans
45.  Quincy Morgan - Browns
46.  Reggie Williams - Jaguars
47.  Eddie Kennison - Chiefs
48.  Rod Gardner - Redskins
49.  Kevin Johnson - Ravens
50.  Joey Galloway - Buccaneers
51.  Dennis Northcutt - Browns
52.  Travis Taylor - Ravens
53.  Tyrone Calico - Titans
54.  Muhsin Muhammad - Panthers

TE's
1.  Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs
2.  Todd Heap - Ravens
3.  Jeremy Shockey - Giants
4.  Kellen Winslow - Browns
5.  Alge Crumpler - Falcons
6.  Boo Williams - Saints
7.  Randy McMichael - Dolphins
8.  Dallas Clark - Colts
9.  Bubba Franks - Packers
10.  Freddie Jones - Cardinals
11.  Antonio Gates - Chargers
12.  Marcus Pollard - Colts
13.  Itula Mili - Seahawks
14.  Jim Kleinsasser - Vikings
15.  Daniel Graham - Patriots
16.  Desmond Clark - Bears
17.  Byron Chamberlain - Broncos
18.  Jason Witten - Cowboys
19.  Erron Kinney - Titans
20.  L. J. Smith - Eagles
21.  Billy Miller - Texans
22.  Anthony Becht - Jets
23.  Ben Troupe - Titans
24.  Christian Fauria - Patriots

PK's
1.  Mike Vanderjagt - Colts
2.  Jeff Wilkins - Rams
3.  Jason Elam - Broncos
4.  David Akers - Eagles
5.  Adam Vinatieri - Patriots
6.  John Kasay - Panthers
7.  Matt Stover - Ravens
8.  Josh Brown - Seahawks
9.  Ryan Longwell - Packers
10.  Jay Feely - Falcons
11.  Olindo Mare - Dolphins
12.  Paul Edinger - Bears
13.  Sebastian Janikowski - Raiders
14.  Aaron Elling - Vikings
15.  John Hall - Redskins
16.  John Carney - Chargers
17.  Billy Cundiff - Cowboys
18.  Jason Hansen - Lions
19.  Morten Andersen - Chiefs
20.  Shayne Graham - Giants
21.  Martin Gramatica - Buccaneers
22.  Doug Brien - Jets
23.  Joe Nedney - Titans
24.  Seth Marler - Jaguars

D/ST
1.  Baltimore Ravens
2.  New England Patriots
3.  Philadelphia Eagles
4.  Carolina Panthers
5.  Dallas Cowboys
6.  Miami Dolphins
7.  Tampa Bay Buccaneers
8.  Denver Broncos
9.  Oakland Raiders
10.  Minnesota Vikings
11.  Kansas City Chiefs
12.  Jacksonville Jaguars
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 14th, 2004, 8:57am
A big surprise with Deuce McAllister going second overall!

Nearly every mock I've seen so far has had LT2 going #1 overall.  I probably would have gone with Priest over LT2, but just barely.

Callie, why so optimistic with Deuce when he managed a total of 8 TDs last season?
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 14th, 2004, 10:08am
Yea, I canNOT believe LaDainian fell to the 3rd pick!  On top of his rushing,... he had 100 catches last year!  And, I don't see that fundamentally changing.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by kidcrash on Jun 14th, 2004, 1:38pm
Sorry about the screw up steg,I forgot to add rb.also I will not add any commentary.Sorry man. [smiley=takinyours.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 14th, 2004, 1:38pm
I for one am very pleased that Alexander fell to me with the 8th pick. I did some research and have seen him go a lot higher.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 14th, 2004, 1:41pm
I think the pick of Daunte Culpepper helped you get Alexander.  Tony must have some really high expectations for Culpepper this year to take him so early!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by kidcrash on Jun 14th, 2004, 2:01pm
Culpepper Is The best fantasy QB. He Is also a second rd pick IMO.I have seen him available In the late second rd of many ten team drafts.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 14th, 2004, 3:04pm
Yeah, I agree Jeff. He debated between the two. I really like the Culpepper pick. He should put up some real good numbers this year with all of the weapons he has at his disposal.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 14th, 2004, 3:08pm
I don't question his ability to put up some serious fantasy points (if he doesn't break his back again this year ::) ) ... I guess my criticism of the Culpepper pick was based on value.  Generally the best QBs don't get a sniff until the early-mid second round.

But if you, BW, were going to take him had he not gone ahead of you, then I guess it was good value since he wouldn't have lasted into the second round.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 14th, 2004, 7:23pm
The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of this thread have been updated... through "pick 11 13". ::)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 15th, 2004, 7:43am
I seriously would have snagged him in round 2 if he were there.


on 06/14/04 at 15:08:52, Philly wrote:
I don't question his ability to put up some serious fantasy points (if he doesn't break his back again this year ::) ) ... I guess my criticism of the Culpepper pick was based on value.  Generally the best QBs don't get a sniff until the early-mid second round.

But if you, BW, were going to take him had he not gone ahead of you, then I guess it was good value since he wouldn't have lasted into the second round.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 15th, 2004, 1:00pm
"Cheatsheets" above updated through pick 20.  ...  All the Colts [smiley=horse.gif] went in a row there.  Huh!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 15th, 2004, 1:40pm
DirkDiggler is still on the clock.  I sent him an IM and also an email.  I know I have every right to leapfrog him and make my pick now, but I'd feel bad doing it.  If it was round 14 or something, then I'd go ahead and do it, but it is still round #2.

But, I can't wait all day.  I was hoping to get at least 2 picks in today...
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 15th, 2004, 2:10pm
It's already interesting to compare this year's draft to the 2003 CBFL draft.  Lots of changes in strategy already.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 15th, 2004, 3:11pm
I see some ridiculous things in this draft so far.  This is my criticism, mind you but here goes...

LT2 at number 3?  Whatever the guy who picked Deuce was smoking, tell him I'll take two!

Daunte Culpepper in the first round?  Is this the same guy that got injured last year and the same guy that was nicknamed the "Human Turnover" not 2 years ago?

Culpepper ahead of Manning?!  Manning plays 16 games!  Culpepper missed games last year.  Manning puts up comparable numbers to Culpepper in points per game AND he plays more games.  

Michael Vick the number 3 QB?  Yeah, maybe if he can hit the broadside of the barn and not get injured.  I'd easily take a Trent Green or Hasselbeck over Vick.

I also don't understand Barlow going so high.  All Fred Taylor has done is put up numbers while playing all his team's games the last 2 years.  And Edge...he has an injury past but when healthy, he puts up stud numbers.  Barlow is too much of a question mark.  

Holt before Harrison?!  Let's see, the most consistent fantasy football WR (along with Moss, mind you) or a guy who put up one huge year...hmmmmmmm...

That's all I got for now.  I'm sure I'll be more critical as it goes along.  But then again, I am a critic more often than not.  

[smiley=wagingwar.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 15th, 2004, 3:19pm

on 06/15/04 at 15:11:41, sexydexy wrote:
I see some ridiculous things in this draft so far.  This is my criticism, mind you but here goes...

LT2 at number 3?  Whatever the guy who picked Deuce was smoking, tell him I'll take two!

I'm with ya on this one, but I've never been a Deuce fan and I'm the recipient of LT2, so all is cool with me!


Quote:
Daunte Culpepper in the first round?  Is this the same guy that got injured last year and the same guy that was nicknamed the "Human Turnover" not 2 years ago?

Too early in my opinion.  He went 2.10 last season in this same league.


Quote:
Culpepper ahead of Manning?!  Manning plays 16 games!  Culpepper missed games last year.  Manning puts up comparable numbers to Culpepper in points per game AND he plays more games.

If Culpepper stays healthy, he is the clear #1 QB.  He will throw for 4000 yards (+/-) plus he can run the ball and score that way too.  


Quote:
Michael Vick the number 3 QB?  Yeah, maybe if he can hit the broadside of the barn and not get injured.  I'd easily take a Trent Green or Hasselbeck over Vick.

Vick is valuable in this league because of his rushing yards/TDs.  I question his ability to stay healthy and also to adjust to a new offense this season.


Quote:
I also don't understand Barlow going so high.  All Fred Taylor has done is put up numbers while playing all his team's games the last 2 years.  And Edge...he has an injury past but when healthy, he puts up stud numbers.  Barlow is too much of a question mark.

Barlow will get the TDs that Fred has NO shot at getting.  Remember that the Jags drafted a vulture in Greg Jones this year.  Plus Fred stayed healthy all last year which means the odds against another healthy season are against him.  Edge should be a stud this season.  


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Holt before Harrison?!  Let's see, the most consistent fantasy football WR (along with Moss, mind you) or a guy who put up one huge year...hmmmmmmm...

I owned (and rode) Torry Holt in one of my leagues last year, but I'd still go Marvin before Torry just because you know Marvin will get his.


Quote:
That's all I got for now.  I'm sure I'll be more critical as it goes along.  But then again, I am a critic more often than not.

Keep it coming!  (As long as it isn't directed at me...  ::))... Heh, just kidding, I love criticism.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:17pm
This from a guy who is new to the league and probably hasn't read the scoring page. Culpepper has a much bigger up side than Manning in "this" leagues scoring system.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 15th, 2004, 5:00pm
Manning has more upside because he doesn't miss games!  When you miss games, you score 0 points.  

And come on...what league has QBs that are SO important that they warrant a 1st rounder...not to mention the *top half* of the first round.  
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 15th, 2004, 6:02pm
Sorry to be so long in answering, guys.  This is the first time I got to this thread.  Just too busy.  I work too hard for my filthy lucre.

As for the LT2/Deuce thing, my rankings went LT2, Priest & Deuce or Deuce then Priest.  The reason I did NOT take LT2 when I could (which I planned to do if I could when setting up this year) was the SD melt down I've been hearing about from my West Coast friends.  Worse than anything I read on the web.  (They're looking for another thing like last year's Raiders - break my heart.)  I was concerned he'd be boom or bust.  This was the overall second pick.  This league has no trades or waiver wire, live or die by what you start with.  Priest was gone, no big deal.  It was LT2 or Deuce.  You can't always go by the last year's performance in the 21st century NFL.  You go with what you project for this year. (I look for a break-out year for Deuce, call me crazy, time will tell, razz me later if you're right, I will buy you a drink and crown you King, with a great big smile on my face. ;D)  It could all be the usual AFC West smoke & mirrors (a nod to Steg).  They love that stuff out there.  This was my call and I'm stickin' to it.

As for a QB so early, had no intention of doing that until the top tier guys started disappearing.  I wanted one, if I could get one.  There are a lot of WR's out there, and every year WR's below the elite just pop right up and surprise, they are fragile sometimes, and you all know this already.  The elite QBs above McNabb were gone, T.O. is in the house, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of rushing yards out of McNabb.  (Hope I got all the scoring system right!)

Any questions?  Fire away! [smiley=flamewar.gif]

P.S.  I keep what I smoke for me and whoever I crown King.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 15th, 2004, 6:12pm
Should I give you my address now or after the season so you can send me that drink?

;-)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 15th, 2004, 6:29pm
;)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 15th, 2004, 7:31pm
I think the Daunte pick was just a bit early. I would have taken him over Manning too. He is the top rated QB because of his running.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 15th, 2004, 8:01pm
A few comments.

1.  Consistency is not a virtue in this league.  You want players that absolutely explode and when they are off are way off.  The best ball format makes it so that the whole idea of consistency is turned on its head.  An interesting sidebar to this is that, surprisingly, Culpepper is an extremely consistent QB while Manning is erratic.

2.  I took Vick because I think this will be his year.  He is still young enough to get huge rushing stats, but starting to get wise enough to be a better QB.  His WR corps is much better than before.  Basically I wanted to be a Vick owner and experience the excitement on an elevated level when I watched him play.  Not every pick I make is based solely on winning/losing.  I want guys I like to watch play and I root for.

3.  No real reaches so far, but the QBs are really close to being reaches (including my pick of Vick).

4.  According to Average Draft Position, Stephen Davis and Marshall Faulk are the best values so far.

5.  Although Callie is one of the 'guys' around here, and certainly knows her football as well as any guy, she is never a 'him'.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 15th, 2004, 8:16pm
Overall, I don't think it has been as bad as sd, observing from the outside, thinks.  THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I feel obliged to say that, in general, Stephen Davis's falling to the end of the third round, especially behind the likes of rookie RB's Kevin and Julius Jones, is pretty preposterous and unjustifiable. [smiley=nownow.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 15th, 2004, 8:31pm
Your going to see Deshawn Foster getting a lot more carries this year. Which means less carries for Mr. Davis. In addition, Carolina lost three of their starting offensive lineman from last year. This could mean less chemistry and fewer holes. Those were my main reasons for passing on Stephen Davis. I took a gamble on Julius Jones because at the moment he seems to be the starter in a run heavy offense with an improved offensive line. If he ends up being the starter, he will produce on the field.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 15th, 2004, 8:35pm
Just to let you know, I just heard that there is a big "viral" attack going on right now on all the major email carriers.  We can't catch it, but it's slowing everything down.

Hang in there!

P.S.  Thanks, bgsgfan!! :D  (Go, Steelers!)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 15th, 2004, 8:46pm

on 06/15/04 at 20:31:38, Tony_O wrote:
Your going to see Deshawn Foster getting a lot more carries this year. Which means less carries for Mr. Davis. In addition, Carolina lost three of their starting offensive lineman from last year. This could mean less chemistry and fewer holes. Those were my main reasons for passing on Stephen Davis.


I agree with this 100%, however I realize the perceived value (average draft position) of Stephen Davis is a lot higher than where he was drafted.  In a league without trading perceived value means squat.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 15th, 2004, 10:01pm
Even with DeShaun Foster getting more carries, Davis was still a good pick where he went.  Especially with all the love being thrown to the kids (Jones and Jones).

I wouldn't touch Marshall Faulk unless he fell to me in the third round.  He's just too injury prone to be on my team (in all my years on all my FF teams, I've never had Faulk!).

I think there have been a few reaches already.  I think Pep went earlier than he needed to, although I do believe he will be amazing this year.  I also questioned Deuce over LT2, but Callie explained her reasons well enough to justify it (although if I had doubts about LT2 I would have gone with Ahman Green instead).  I think Jim Haslett is in a make or break year and I'm not sure the players want him to make it.  (No, I have no links to support that statement - just a hunch I have.)

Anyway, I'm very happy with my team so far.  If there continue to be some more "unusual" picks, it will just make me even happier.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 15th, 2004, 10:23pm
Well hopefully all of my unusal picks will allow me to finish ahead of you in standings again.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Chumpzilla on Jun 15th, 2004, 11:59pm
Better late than never!  8-)  For what it'sworth Tony_O, I would have taken Culpepper at #9 if he was there.  I think he'll be huge.  Since I couldn't grab him I took his favorite target!   ;D
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 16th, 2004, 12:53pm
Bah... I got all excited.  I saw kidcrash, Tony O, and bgsgfan all online when I made BW's proxy pick.  I thought we'd fly right through the middle of the 4th round.  But we're stuck again. :(
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 2:03pm
Yea.  Good old Tony_O!


on 06/09/04 at 18:04:34, Tony_O wrote:
I will be going on vacation from the 17th till the 21st, so those dates will not work for me. I think july sounds good myself, but I will be happy to start whenever.


In reply, during other delays, I wrote...


on 06/14/04 at 23:34:19, StegRock wrote:
[smiley=ontheclock.gif] ... :-/
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 16th, 2004, 3:06pm
Well................I'm sorry that my world does not revolve around this draft, STEG! I had to take my son to pre-school and then I went to the gym. I do have three hours right. We did start this draft two weeks earlier than last year. Teams havn't even started training camp and more than one of us said july would be better. I leave Friday morning to go on vacation and I will work with Jim to do my best drafting via the telephone. We did start early so you could proof read our draft entries right! Heaven forbid you trust some of your founding and most important members of this site to draft without you present. Just so you now, I don't consider myself as one of those members, those would be people like Jeff, Jim, etc. I'm just a guy who has a lot of fantasy knowledge and talent, who likes to participate and try to make this site more enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 4:42pm
A humble, simply apologetic and unsarcastic reply is what one would have hoped for (with maybe a little ribbing back commensurate to mine).  A little gratitude goes a long way.  ....  But, once again, given the opportunity to do so, you prove to be an ingrate.  You do NOT HAVE TO be in this draft.  This is not merely a league of yours ran by some buddy that you hypothetically buy drinks for as a show of thanks, where you have a special in (like we all do in our "home" leagues).  This is a public, site-sponsored event, so to speak, run by a guy who you've never met, no less showed any "substantive" appreciation to (quite the opposite, actually) and probably never will.  It's not that the world revolves around this draft; it's that this draft does not revolve around you.  Jetdoc could not participate this year because of a time conflict, his wife is due, so he gentlemanly and respectfully stepped aside, understanding that it isn't his "right" to be in this; it's a "priviledge", which I provide.  You could have done the same.

In any event, actually, once again your homework is done poorly and, thus, the premises of your argument are yet again WAY off (because you are just focusing on your anger and hostility toward me (like I "really" deserve it) and not being rational):  1) historically, last year's CBFL mock draft was LATE; traditionally, it was done in late May/early June; 2) more people preferred earlier to later (although most were flexible... you were actually the ONLY one that really preferred later, and remember Jetdoc did not "want" anything; he just laid out his circumstances), namely bgsgfan (who even points out the importance of having the CBFL draft as early as possible,... another point that is beyond you, I can only guess) and Callie (refer to their (and everybody's) posts on the following page:  http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=54;action=display;num=1086674374); 3) your saying that my ONLY reason to be around for this is to proofread the picks is downright insulting and, of course, once again VERY WRONG.

Stop always getting your back up so quickly and easily and focus more on getting your facts straight!!!

As for your making the site more enjoyable, you don't for me.  I was having a GREAT day today (as per my post in "the Bleachers" and you single-handedly have put a chink in that).  Anyway, your claim about what you bring to the table here is tendentious, in any case. [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] You "take" a lot more than you "give" around here.  Trust me!  I know!  I'm the one filling the plate you gladly sit at.  Your lovin' all the shit you're in on here.  As far as I am concerned, you can take your dog and pony show somewhere else.  You are [smiley=deadhorse.gif] here!

Yea, I know, I know...  "If I were standing in front of "big Tony O", I would NOT be talking to "big Tony O" like this; I'd be picking my teeth up off the ground."  ...  But, ultimately, it is you who puts yourself in front of me.  You are free to go anytime and stop sucking my nipples. [smiley=boobies.gif] I'm surely not holding you back. [smiley=wave.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 16th, 2004, 5:47pm
That would be fine be me Steggie. Let me guess, I don't get the big picture of this site right? The big picture is that this is "your Ball" and if someone doesn't do what you like or say what you like, you take "your Ball" home. Which just displays even more the true spirt of your character. I will finish the draft and next year I will relinquish my privledge because I know I will not finish in the bottom three.

By the way, congratulations on your enrollement in Catholic University and recieving your financial work-study assistance. I have this uncanny ability to seperate life and fantasy.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 7:01pm
As if...
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 16th, 2004, 7:36pm
I just got edited.  What did I do so I don't do it again?
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 7:48pm
Wasn't me on the edit this time, Callie, and I did not see your original post, so I don't know.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 7:54pm

on 06/16/04 at 17:47:21, Tony_O wrote:
Let me guess, I don't get the big picture of this site right? The big picture is that this is "your Ball" and if someone doesn't do what you like or say what you like, you take "your Ball" home. Which just displays even more the true spirt of your character.


?.?.?

Oh, and by the way, where have I heard this "illogic" before?!?!? :-/
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 16th, 2004, 8:53pm
I think you guys need to stop.

Take it somewhere else, like personal email or IM. This is a football thread.

I consider both of you friends, and I think fantasy football is a silly way to lose friendships.  So, let's just  :-* and make up, please.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 16th, 2004, 9:29pm
Hi, guys!

Just talked to Steg, and I showed him some Excel charts I keep for myself for drafts.  I showed him the ones I am now keeping for the CBFL draft in progress.  He thought you would like to see them!

One is a draft rounds chart, the other is a needs chart that clocks what has been picked and at what draft number.  It's all on spreadsheets, nice way to see everything at a glance (I do this stuff for a living), and it should work fine in the Microsoft Works spreadsheet as well.  No formulas, just the facts.

If anyone is interested, I'm more than glad to share! :D

It would never show up well on a thread, don't know how else to send them out except to email them to ya.  Let me know if you want them.  Let me know if you have a better way.

Luck to us all!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 16th, 2004, 9:33pm
Thanks for making the pick for me Steg (and also getting Dirk's pick which he entrusted to my care).

The softball game went into extra innings, but we came away with a hard-fought (and ugly) 16-14 win.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 16th, 2004, 9:50pm
In the 5th round I had every intention of taking Charlie Garner.  Philly screwed that plan up.

So I went with plan B.  Best player on the board.  I took my third receiver in Darrell Jackson.  Not bad to have him as your #3!  My team is looking good so far!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 16th, 2004, 10:12pm
I'd like to take a look.  :o Send it my way: walkerboh74@yahoo.com

Thanks Callie! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


on 06/16/04 at 21:29:35, Callie wrote:
Hi, guys!

Just talked to Steg, and I showed him some Excel charts I keep for myself for drafts.  I showed him the ones I am now keeping for the CBFL draft in progress.  He thought you would like to see them!

One is a draft rounds chart, the other is a needs chart that clocks what has been picked and at what draft number.  It's all on spreadsheets, nice way to see everything at a glance (I do this stuff for a living), and it should work fine in the Microsoft Works spreadsheet as well.  No formulas, just the facts.

If anyone is interested, I'm more than glad to share! :D

It would never show up well on a thread, don't know how else to send them out except to email them to ya.  Let me know if you want them.  Let me know if you have a better way.

Luck to us all!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 16th, 2004, 10:39pm
Glad to share! :D

If anyone likes this but does not know how to add on:  two options.

Let me know and I'll tell you how.

Let me know and I'll update you.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 11:15pm

on 06/16/04 at 20:53:16, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I think you guys need to stop.

Take it somewhere else, like personal email or IM. This is a football thread.

I consider both of you friends, and I think fantasy football is a silly way to lose friendships.  So, let's just  :-* and make up, please.


[smiley=stranded.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 16th, 2004, 11:23pm
LOL...you're killing me.



on 06/16/04 at 23:15:31, StegRock wrote:
[smiley=stranded.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 11:26pm
You're killing me too!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 16th, 2004, 11:46pm
Who, me? [smiley=angel.gif]

Can't we all just get along?  [smiley=arguing.gif] [smiley=nono.gif] [smiley=uh.gif]

In Tony's defense, he does work a job that requires him to be away from a computer for long lengths of time. I am not always available for him to call me. since I work graves and sleep during the day. I will have his cell phone number for the time he is away this coming weekend.

But I see your point as well, Steve. Like Jetdoc, Tony could have bowed out, but chose not to because he likes the CBFL and wanted to participate.

We all have to compromise, get with the program here, have a  [smiley=huddle.gif] and get over it. We are all good guys and have two things in comming: We love fantasy football and the Gridiron!!!

I will get off  [smiley=soapboxer.gif]...
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 16th, 2004, 11:54pm

on 06/16/04 at 22:39:25, Callie wrote:
Glad to share! :D

If anyone likes this but does not know how to add on:  two options.

Let me know and I'll tell you how.

Let me know and I'll update you.


Do yourself a favor and ask Callie to send you the spreadsheet. It's a great tool. Thanks Callie!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 16th, 2004, 11:56pm

on 06/16/04 at 23:46:21, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Who, me? [smiley=angel.gif]

Can't we all just get along?  [smiley=arguing.gif] [smiley=nono.gif] [smiley=uh.gif]

In Tony's defense, he does work a job that requires him to be away from a computer for long lengths of time. I am not always available for him to call me. since I work graves and sleep during the day. I will have his cell phone number for the time he is away this coming weekend.

But I see your point as well, Steve. Like Jetdoc, Tony could have bowed out, but chose not to because he likes the CBFL and wanted to participate.

We all have to compromise, get with the program here, have a  [smiley=huddle.gif] and get over it. We are all good guys and have two things in comming: We love fantasy football and the Gridiron!!!

I will get off  [smiley=soapboxer.gif]...


[smiley=silence.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 17th, 2004, 12:00am
I give up. I'll  :-X from now on...



on 06/16/04 at 23:56:26, StegRock wrote:
[smiley=silence.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 17th, 2004, 8:22am

on 06/16/04 at 21:29:35, Callie wrote:
Hi, guys!

Just talked to Steg, and I showed him some Excel charts I keep for myself for drafts.  I showed him the ones I am now keeping for the CBFL draft in progress.  He thought you would like to see them!

One is a draft rounds chart, the other is a needs chart that clocks what has been picked and at what draft number.  It's all on spreadsheets, nice way to see everything at a glance (I do this stuff for a living), and it should work fine in the Microsoft Works spreadsheet as well.  No formulas, just the facts.

If anyone is interested, I'm more than glad to share! :D

It would never show up well on a thread, don't know how else to send them out except to email them to ya.  Let me know if you want them.  Let me know if you have a better way.

Luck to us all!



I haven't seen yours, Callie, but I also have a spreadsheet set up for the draft.  (Is yours color coded? ;) )  I'll send you my email address in a PM and then you can send me the spreadsheet and your email address so I can send you mine -- then we can compare notes.  I'm also a bit of an Excel freak.  Once this draft is over, I'll send you my Mega Cheat-Sheet spreadsheet with 2004 player projections, head-to-head schedule with byes, VBD feature, 2003 final stats...  lotsa good stuff.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 17th, 2004, 9:00am

on 06/17/04 at 00:00:13, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I give up. I'll  :-X from now on...


That's usually my preferred stance too.  I'm here for fantasy football, not petty personal bickering...

And, since Steg feels like he is all alone here, I'll make my comments.

First off, Steg, I know you and Tony have had your differences in the past.  However, message boards are terrible places to argue because anything that can be misinterpreted, will be.  Your post to Tony about him being late with his pick was, as you indicated, somewhat tongue-in-cheek.  However, I didn't read it that way... it seemed like it was there to instigate something (especially with your choice of smileys - they tick me off sometimes too).  And if I read it that way, I imagine Tony, with your shared history here, probably took even worse than I did.

Obviously, Tony, real life has to come before fantasy football.  That's never in question.  But if you know real life is going to prevent you from fulfilling your fantasy obligations, then you need to make other arrangements (proxy lists or phone calls to someone you know will be online) or politely bow out altogether.

Steg puts a LOT of time and effort into this site.  Ultimately he is doing it because he loves fantasy football and wants to create a site with a specific feel and a group of people who "get it."  He's spending the money and providing the forum, so he does, in the end, get to call the shots.  There are plenty of other places available for us to go to, but we choose to be here.  For me, I'm here because I don't have to put up with a whole lot of BS and I really like the people here.  Even though I've had disagreements with some of those people (even some rather serious ones), they've been resolved and put behind us.

Steg also puts a lot of effort into running the CBFL and the GBRFLs.  He does a great job with these and doesn't get paid to do any of it.

When it comes down to it, all he really needs is an occasional "thanks, I appreciate what you're doing" from us.  Donations certainly help as well because everything is out-of-pocket for Steg, and knowing his life circumstances, his pockets aren't that deep.  Next to Steg, I probably contribute the most to the site.  I read every thread on here.  I write articles whenever I can.  I try to introduce fun new ideas for the forums.  I try to respond to every question (especially when someone else hasn't).  And, to top it all off, I make financial contributions when I can.  I'm in debt up to my eyeballs, but I still manage to find a few bucks now and then.

I think the big thing here is that there are many people who take and take from the website, but don't give in return.  Don't take this as a personal criticism, Tony, because I like you as a person and FF opponent, but you are one of those people.  You are in the CBFL and the GBRFL2, so Steg does a lot of work to make your FF experience a good one, but I don't remember seeing many "Thanks!" or any contributions from you.  Obviously that is something Steg sees too.

So, with all that said, let me sum it up.  Let's be careful with our posts because what may seem good-natured and humorous to you, might not to the other person.  Let's try not to instigate things.  And let's be sure to appreciate the time, effort, and money that Steg has put out there for all of us.

Now, I'll step off my soapbox and get back to football, which is why I am here in the first place.

Thank you and have a wonderful day.    [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 17th, 2004, 12:16pm
Not li'l (I don't know where the f'n apostrophe is supposed to go in that thing) old me. [smiley=whistle.gif] ... ;)

...

Anyway,... [smiley=yes.gif] ... [smiley=bow.gif]

...

Me lovey [smiley=smitten.gif] "smilieoglyphics"... :) ...primitive.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 17th, 2004, 1:28pm
[offtopic]CBFL DRAFT[/offtopic]


And now that we're back...  I have to say I am very happy with my team so far -- a third of the way through the draft, although we have a long way to go and there is plenty of time for me to make or break my team...

-I targeted LT2 in round 1 and got him.
-In the second round I targeted Rudi Johnson or Corey Dillon, Rudi went the pick before me, so I'm happy with Corey.
-In the third round I was going WR.  I had Moss, Harrison, Holt, S.Smith, and Ward as my top 5.  I went with Ward hoping Smith would fall and knowing Ward would not.  I'm still happy.
-In the fourth I had my first disappointment.  I was hoping that Smith could fall to me, and if not, that Derrick Mason would be available.  Neither were, but I still got a clear #1 (NFL) WR in Andre Johnson.
-In the fifth round I was going for best available player.  I had my eyes on Jimmy Smith (as he is going to have a great year), but Callie thought similarly.  I was very surprised to see another NFL #1 RB in Garner still available, so it made my decision easy.  (Garner may lose some TDs to Alstott -- if he's healthy -- but will make up for it with his receiving.)

I've got a really nice RB group (3 starters) and a good start at WR.  Now if that kicker I've been eyeing falls to me in the 6th...  ::)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 17th, 2004, 3:28pm
Good old Jo-jo haltin' progress. [smiley=no.gif]

(There is a hidden, alterior message here,... quite literally actually.)

Let's see his reaction, and know that we too have a "history".
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 17th, 2004, 3:53pm
Seems like the draft is becoming a bit whacky anyway..

The rookie RBs before Barber?

::)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 17th, 2004, 6:38pm
Every draft should be a little bit wacky.  Otherwise, you might as well just buy some site's picks and plug them in.  The real fun is in the variety of opinions! ;D

And every year, as the season rolls out, a lot of sure pops fizzle and a lot of stretchs shine.

God, I love this game! :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 18th, 2004, 10:39am
Chambers was dropping and dropping, but somehow I knew he wouldn't last until me.  Nice pick there kc... and  [smiley=flipa.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 18th, 2004, 10:53am

on 06/18/04 at 10:39:18, bgsgfan wrote:
Chambers was dropping and dropping, but somehow I knew he wouldn't last until me.  Nice pick there kc... and  [smiley=flipa.gif]


Is it because people believe that Boston is going to eat into his production or that AJ Feeley isn't going to be effective???
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 18th, 2004, 11:50am
I can't recall ever making a "defensive" pick like I just did with Aaron Brooks.  I couldn't let him go to the next group of guys who have been waiting for their QBs.  This is the type of thinking that had Steggie gasping for air last year, and it just may doom me too.

I had really wanted to get Javon Walker with this pick, but he went earlier than I expected.  I got excited when Chambers fell, but that wasn't in the cards.  My other real options were Winslow and Crumpler - but they were gone too.  None of the old washed up WRs excite me - and way too early for the high upside type guys.  RB could have been an option, but I see a few coming down the pike I'd like and present just as much potential for me.

I guess Brooks presents a decent insurance plan for Vick.  :P ::)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 18th, 2004, 12:32pm
From the perspective of an interested onlooker, who is VERY familiar with this format, I am going to make this observation, which is not about your guys' picks as much as it is about the state of the NFL, moreover, for fantasy football purposes.  This year's draft seems rough.  It seems like the well is drying up MUCH FASTER this year than in years past.  I think this is much attributable to ALL the uncertainty in the league this year, especially at the positions of QB, WR and RB, to some extent, too.  It just seems like '04 in many respects is (going to be) a transition year, especially on offense.  As such, I think it will (turn out to) be a difficult year to predict, which is a poignant statement to make here since this is the "Crystal Ball Fantasy League".
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 18th, 2004, 12:44pm

on 06/18/04 at 11:50:46, bgsgfan wrote:
I can't recall ever making a "defensive" pick like I just did with Aaron Brooks.  I couldn't let him go to the next group of guys who have been waiting for their QBs.  This is the type of thinking that had Steggie gasping for air last year, and it just may doom me too.

I had really wanted to get Javon Walker with this pick, but he went earlier than I expected.  I got excited when Chambers fell, but that wasn't in the cards.  My other real options were Winslow and Crumpler - but they were gone too.  None of the old washed up WRs excite me - and way too early for the high upside type guys.  RB could have been an option, but I see a few coming down the pike I'd like and present just as much potential for me.

I guess Brooks presents a decent insurance plan for Vick.  :P ::)


GREAT PICK.  I can not even tell you how bummed I am that you took Brooks.  He was MINE.  So, instead, I had to go another direction.  The remaining QBs are all ho-hum.  So I decided to take the best defense in my opinion, the Baltimore Ravens.  I just don't think the Patriots or Cowboys are going to be able to replicate what they did last year on the defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 18th, 2004, 1:02pm

on 06/18/04 at 12:44:04, DirkDiggler wrote:
GREAT PICK.  I can not even tell you how bummed I am that you took Brooks.  He was MINE.  So, instead, I had to go another direction.  The remaining QBs are all ho-hum.  So I decided to take the best defense in my opinion, the Baltimore Ravens.  I just don't think the Patriots or Cowboys are going to be able to replicate what they did last year on the defensive side of the ball.


This is hilarious... I had targeted either the Ravens or the Pats Defense with this pick, although it would have been a huge struggle to make up my mind about either one.  I realized last year how important a good defense is in this league.  The Ravens will always be good as long as they have Ray Lewis leading them.  The Pats, I think, did a lot to improve an already impressive unit in the off-season.

Thanks DD... you made my decision very easy!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 18th, 2004, 1:46pm
I think Captain Lou should be demoted to Private Lou... taking my QB, Jake Plummer, two spots before I can get him.

[smiley=hammer.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Captain_Lou on Jun 18th, 2004, 2:55pm

on 06/18/04 at 13:46:21, Philly wrote:
I think Captain Lou should be demoted to Private Lou... taking my QB, Jake Plummer, two spots before I can get him.

[smiley=hammer.gif]


I must admit that I was getting a tad nervous after
teams began to selct a second qb as early as the 5th
round. Not a bad strategy at all considering best ball
format, but I think I would have waited if I used a
high draft pick on a stud starter.

Anyhow, after crunching my numbers I was surprised
to find Plummer on equal par with a few guys selected
a round or so sooner. Within this scoring system I mean
to say. I do think that he can bring it up another notch,
and will just have to wait on my assumption. I too
wanted Brooks since I have him on a couple of
Dynasty teams of mine.

As of now, I think my team has some nice balance.
A stud scoring back in Preist, Bennett who showed
promise last season providing he can stay healthy,
as well as Dunn who always seams to get you 1200
or so yards plus seven or so scores. At receiver I was
looking for 1000 plus potential.I think I have three guys in Owens, Moulds and Robinson who will reach that
level. Not to mention the touchdown potential. If
Robinson can hold onto the ball and improve, I think he
has the talent to hover around the top 12. Moulds is
due, and the Bills know that Bledsoe just needs a
couple of extra seconds in the pocket. I am sure that this will get immediate attention this year. I am very
optomistic regarding Moulds in 2004.

Sorry about taking Jake. To me he was clearly the best
choice for me at 7.01.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 18th, 2004, 2:59pm

on 06/18/04 at 14:55:43, Captain_Lou wrote:
Sorry about taking Jake. To me he was clearly the best choice for me at 7.01.


No need to apologize for taking him.  That's part of the game.  I think I got a pretty decent QB named Jake in that round as well.  He should certainly do better than last year and he did pretty well in 2003.  I just had Jake Plummer rated higher (by a fair amount) and thought he would slip a couple more spots.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by kidcrash on Jun 18th, 2004, 3:05pm
Hey bgsgfan,Or should I call you champ,I was very happy that chambers was there.I was contemplating taking him the round before but I just could not pass up trent green.Planned on waiting a little longer to take a qb also but I had to pull the trigger.As far as the gonzo pick went I dont believe he would have been there for me at rd 4.Overall Im pleased so far.The only pick Im worried about Is henry.I hope mcgahee dont take to much of his love.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 19th, 2004, 12:18am
Sorry about the slow picks guys. I was out of town on business and tried to call Steg, Warner and KillerSting all damn day. In and out of phone range...damn NEXTEL!!!
Anyway I had to take 2 loser RBs here. the RBs are drying up. I took the last rook RB with upside. My QB never misses a game and led the league with 32 TDs last year, how he fell to me I don't know. The WRs left all have issues that concern me, except for a few. With Holt and Walker I think I will be able to find a suitable "filler" down the line. Hell last year I got Santanna Moss in the LAST ROUND!!!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Chumpzilla on Jun 19th, 2004, 11:58am
DOLFAN, very interesting picks!  I actually think both have nice upside.  Man, if they pan out....  [smiley=hammer.gif]   ;D
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Walker Boh on Jun 19th, 2004, 12:03pm
I had a tough time deciding who to take with my 8.03 pick. Ultimately, I made somewhat of a defensive move (with offensive potential), taking Foster to back up Stephen Davis. You have to prepare for the worst.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19th, 2004, 1:50pm
I wish I had 2 or 3 picks right now.  Gonna be taking a huge chance that whoever I pass up lasts until my next pick.

For me, the draft gets more exciting the further along it goes.  It peaks about right here (8th round) and remains tense for the next 4-5 rounds.

In a draft that allows trading, I have had a tendency in the past to sell my higher picks for middle to late round picks because I get enamored with the potential.  That strategy was one thing that lead to my doom last year in the IBL.  Conversely, not being allowed to trade may have helped me in the CBFL last year.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19th, 2004, 4:16pm
Nothing is falling right.  I wanted Dallas with my 8.08 pick and lost it one pick before me.  Huge drop-off now in defenses IMO.

David Boston probably would have fallen to me at 9.05.  He is almost guaranteed to have a couple huge games, with potential to be a top 5 WR.  Should be a good player in the best ball format.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Captain_Lou on Jun 19th, 2004, 6:33pm
I was happy to get a decent yardage/touchdown guy in Brad Johnson to back up Plummere. I think getting Stallworth in the 9.01 was a bargain. Nice depth to my receiver corps. No complaints here yet.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 19th, 2004, 8:19pm
I was very stoked that Ashley Lelie fell to me at 8.10.  I think he will easily out-produce Rod Smith and could be a top 20 receiver by year-end.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19th, 2004, 8:27pm
Keenan McCardell is just too good to pass up.  I was going to wait and get a couple flyers late, but overall I am happy with my 4 WRs and where I picked them.

Am I crazy to consider getting 3 kcikers?
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 19th, 2004, 8:30pm

on 06/19/04 at 20:27:10, bgsgfan wrote:
Keenan McCardell is just too good to pass up.  I was going to wait and get a couple flyers late, but overall I am happy with my 4 WRs and where I picked them.

Am I crazy to consider getting 3 kcikers?


I think you should draft four or five of them... however the rules only allow for two.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19th, 2004, 9:44pm

on 06/19/04 at 20:30:35, Philly wrote:
I think you should draft four or five of them... however the rules only allow for two.



I think I am allowed to get 3 of them:
Quote:
16 components (drafted in no particular predetermined order) - 2 QB's, 4 RB's, 4 WR's, 2 TE's, 2 PK's, 1 D/ST and 1 swing player, which cannot be a defense/special teams, but is otherwise up to the discretion of the team owner.
 Maybe I am missing something?
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 19th, 2004, 9:47pm
Of course you are right.  If you want a Kicker as your swing position, you can do that.  It isn't a D.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 19th, 2004, 9:51pm

on 06/19/04 at 21:47:54, Callie wrote:
Of course you are right.  If you want a Kicker as your swing position, you can do that.  It isn't a D.




Code:
If you are stupid enough to draft a kicker as your swing player, who am I to argue.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 19th, 2004, 9:52pm
Does not mean you can't by the rules.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 19th, 2004, 10:25pm
Sorry about that... I actually did know the rules, but mistyped 2 instead of 3.  It's just the defense that can't be used as a swing position.

:P

Anyway, feel free to draft that extra kicker.  It will be an interesting strategy and I'd be interested to see how it works... (I'm just not willing to try it out on my own...)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 20th, 2004, 6:25pm
WOW, Leftwich at 9.08!

That is one of the best steals I've seen in this draft.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 20th, 2004, 6:43pm
I thought so too!



on 06/20/04 at 18:25:04, sexydexy wrote:
WOW, Leftwich at 9.08!

That is one of the best steals I've seen in this draft.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 20th, 2004, 8:47pm
I was hoping Lefty would make it a few more spots to me at 9.12.
I am very pleased getting TB there. I know they lost Sapp and Lynch, but their core should still produce great #s. They don't give up may yds or pts, plus get plenty of sacks and INTs to boot.

Reggie Wayne was an absolute steal at 10.1. He should only get better as his top 3 QB gets more cofidence in him. He should easily match last years #'s. One flaw...or advantage is that when has a few huge games a year, but that is what this league is all about. BIG PLAY players for any given week, with some consistancy sprinkled in. Holt, Javon and Reggie look good so far. This late what more could I ask for.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jun 20th, 2004, 10:51pm
Sorry guys (What the heck kind of league is this anyway, you mean we can't pick the same defense twice ?)  I did a search on 'cowboys' first, but I guess I didn't have the 'up', 'down', 'diagional' option set correctly.

Interesting draft so far, obviously a well-informed group, for mid-June.  I think there should be an adequate handicap for first-time participants, and for Steggie too, since he has a self-professed knack for selecting players that inevitably get hurt during off-season pick-up basketball games and hunting accidents.[smiley=clown.gif]  (There's the gratuitous smiley I promised)  Especially liked the Tatum Bell, Lelie and Stallworth picks.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]  Boston, Wayne and Fargas probably went way too late as well.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 21st, 2004, 8:46am
Wow... only one person has dared to draft a kicker so far... and he has two of them!  DD obviously wants to corner the market on kickers and fell for bgsgfan's ruse to take three kickers.

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Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jun 21st, 2004, 9:44am
I think whomever takes Sabastian Janikowski may need to draft two spare kickers as well, you never know when that guy will get arrested for head-butting a state trooper or driving his Mercedes M-Class into a K-Mart.

I'm just going to wait to draft Al Del Greco in round 16, my kickers always get injured anyway.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 21st, 2004, 11:17am

on 06/21/04 at 08:46:56, Philly wrote:
Wow... only one person has dared to draft a kicker so far... and he has two of them!  DD obviously wants to corner the market on kickers and fell for bgsgfan's ruse to take three kickers.

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]



Yep.  When I looked at scoring last year, i saw that kickers were very inconsistant.  I figured I might as well take the top TWO kickers.

I have a few key positions available still to fill. QB, and TE.  However, I know the one QB and TE's I want will be available closer to the end of the draft.  The 2nd best kicker might have gone away.  

I have a great group of receivers and running backs already, so the 4th guy I add is extra anyway.  

I look forward to you all repeating my strategy next year as you learn the fine elements of strategy.   ;D
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Captain_Lou on Jun 21st, 2004, 11:44am
Taking Drew as another back up or flex position should
give me a third solid option at the position in this best ball format. I also think Denver will show improvment on the defensive side of the ball and could hang in the
top eight.

On another note, the next time I will be able to check in will be around midnight. This is my travel week. I will be checking in evenings for the most part. If it is within a round or so, I will forward something over to Stegg.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 21st, 2004, 12:34pm
Very interesting DD. I hope it works out for ya. I hope Eddie George does too. Youw ill need all the help you can get.
Junkyard Jake, I love that Lees Suggs pick in the early 4th BTW. I didn't mention it before, but that guy will do well for ya.

Andre Davis was a very nice pick here too. I was looking at him, but went with the more consistant offense and QB.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 21st, 2004, 9:45pm
Many rated Steven Jackson as the number one rated running back in this years draft. He is not only big and strong, but also fast. I grabbed him mainly to hand-cuff Marshall, however I think he might become the goaline running back to keep Marshall from the taking the pounding.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:21pm
Hi guys.  Sorry I'm not around here enough. :(

Nice back-up for Faulk for Tony with Jackson. Kidcrash has Trent Green, so a shot with Maddox isn't bad at all.  And BW was looking for a WR and pulled the best one still around.  Nice.  And I knew I should have picked up Akers.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Tony_O on Jun 21st, 2004, 10:49pm
Looking at the rosters through round #10, I would have to say that Captain Lou has the best looking team followed by Walker Boh! I think my team will be in the middle of the pack unless my rookies produce :(, but if they do then look out! ;D
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 22nd, 2004, 1:18am
My RB's and QB's are solid. My WRs are weak. Crumpler will have a good season. My Defense this year (Eagles) is much better than the pourous Raider Defense I had last year.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 22nd, 2004, 4:03pm
Quincy Morgan wasn't a bad choice for a 4th WR...  Nicely done.  I was wondering when he would be selected.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 22nd, 2004, 6:01pm

on 06/22/04 at 16:03:08, Philly wrote:
Quincy Morgan wasn't a bad choice for a 4th WR...  Nicely done.  I was wondering when he would be selected.


Someone has to stand out in Cleveland. If it turns out to be Morgan and he puts up decent numbers, then I like my chances this year.

Warrick is another guy who could put up some decent numbers. He'll see alot of single coverage in Cincy versus opposing defense's number 2 corner.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 22nd, 2004, 6:09pm
Round 12 looks like some very good value at the slots.  And if anyone is wondering why I went so WR heavy, maybe I got shoppin' happy but I just keep gettin' flash backs....
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 22nd, 2004, 8:12pm
I figure since Garner has not been a goal line back for the past few years, and Gruden likes RBBC, that Alstott was quite a good value this late for a fourth running back.  In addition, he can really excel in best ball format.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 22nd, 2004, 8:21pm
If anyone was watching, I messed up on my charts (lousey stupid greedy bosses!).  I took it back as soon as kidcrash saved my butt with a quick message!  Thank you forever, kid crash!

Give me a minute.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 22nd, 2004, 9:22pm
Thanks.  Especially to kidcrash!!!!!!!!!!!1 [smiley=wave.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 22nd, 2004, 9:25pm
Callie- I don't like that Boller pick at all. They never throw the ball in BALT, plus they have no WRs. I have made some poor picks too...Fargas...but the Boller pick was a chance I guess. I just don't see him doing much this year. He showed nothing last year.
If this were a keeper league he may be worth something.
I hope he works out for ya. I hope Fred Taylor stays healthy! I have a lot invested in him.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 22nd, 2004, 9:36pm
If I come in and out, I'm having trouble with Yahoo.  They upgraded, I do FF email and posts there, and they're just sorting it out.

As for Boller, I wasn't happy either.  Thought others would fall lower.  Ah, me....

But I just felt it was a better thing than what else was left.  If I'm wrong, you guys win!  At this point in the season, it's mostly gut (or last year, ah me).

BTW - I picked this Avatar for the moment because it looks like the shark in Nemo.  (Just some fun!)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 22nd, 2004, 11:34pm

on 06/22/04 at 20:12:44, DirkDiggler wrote:
I figure since Garner has not been a goal line back for the past few years, and Gruden likes RBBC, that Alstott was quite a good value this late for a fourth running back.  In addition, he can really excel in best ball format.


And, on that note, I finish off my RB roster with rookie Greg Jones, who coach Jack Del Rio says will be used very similarly to Mike Alstott.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 23rd, 2004, 7:45am

on 06/22/04 at 23:34:17, Philly wrote:
And, on that note, I finish off my RB roster with rookie Greg Jones, who coach Jack Del Rio says will be used very similarly to Mike Alstott.


That's right.  If you can't have the real thing, get the imitation!!   ;D
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 23rd, 2004, 9:51am

on 06/23/04 at 07:45:19, DirkDiggler wrote:
That's right.  If you can't have the real thing, get the imitation!!   ;D


I'm certainly happy with the "imitation" as you call him.  He's a LOT younger, faster, stronger, healthier, more explosive, more dangerous, etc.  Interestingly, when some of the best defensive players in the NFL draft (Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, etc.) were asked who was the best player they played against in their 4 years of college, Greg Jones immediately came to their minds.

Anyway, how is that broken neck of Alstott's?
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Captain_Lou on Jun 23rd, 2004, 12:51pm
Hey everyone, just checking in before I head out for the day. I will be in Boston having dinner followed by the
Red Sox game at Fenway. So if Callie can stall for me later this evening, I will be able to take my back to back picks the moment I get home. Thanks so much for the
assist. Have a great day everyone.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 23rd, 2004, 1:10pm
I wonder what time he plans to be back...........
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by kidcrash on Jun 23rd, 2004, 1:16pm
Sounds like capt lou should have used a proxy pick,what do ya think callie.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 23rd, 2004, 1:20pm
You think we'll get back around to him before late tonight anyway?  We've got a lot of picks before he goes again.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 23rd, 2004, 1:23pm
Historically the way this draft has been going, he should be able to get back and get a good night's sleep.  But since he'll be away we'll probably fly through.  Murphy's Law.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by kidcrash on Jun 23rd, 2004, 1:24pm
Your right philly,I dont know what I was thinking.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 23rd, 2004, 1:25pm

on 06/23/04 at 13:23:10, Callie wrote:
Historically the way this draft has been going, he should be able to get back and get a good night's sleep.  But since he'll be away we'll probably fly through.  Murphy's Law.


Well, let's hope Murphy is paying attention... that way I'll get at least one more pick before tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 23rd, 2004, 5:05pm

on 06/23/04 at 09:51:23, Philly wrote:
I'm certainly happy with the "imitation" as you call him.  He's a LOT younger, faster, stronger, healthier, more explosive, more dangerous, etc.  Interestingly, when some of the best defensive players in the NFL draft (Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, etc.) were asked who was the best player they played against in their 4 years of college, Greg Jones immediately came to their minds.

Anyway, how is that broken neck of Alstott's?


His neck is fine.  Thanks for asking.  It is nice to know you were worried about the health of my running back!  ;D

Mike Alstott: I'm doing great, actually. Everything's coming along great and I'm just happy to be back.

Eisen: Because that neck injury, at some point last year, we were hearing out here in Los Angeles, that this was career threatening and that we were planning potential pieces about your retirement. Is that what was potentially going on between you and Tampa Bay?

Alstott: No, there was nothing … just rumors. As far as, after I got hurt, the process was the final doctor to perform the surgery on me and to fix me up and get me back on the field, and I went through that process and had the surgery and went through intense rehab, and now I'm back on the field doing everything that has been asked of me. I'm able to, as far as cleared by the doctor, do everything. So if we were in the pads, I would be out there.

Eisen: That's good for you, no question about that. What sort of rehab does one do on a neck injury?

Alstott: The injury was a herniated disk. We had to take out the herniated disk and fuse the two vertebrae together. The situation was we had to let that bone, obviously, heal and get strong. And then we were doing (exercises), as far as flexion and all kinds of rotating movements or exercises to get the neck to 100 percent as far as rotation, and then strengthening -- the four-weight neck machine and doing some other strengthening to strengthen the muscles around the neck. I do it everyday now and I'll continue to do it throughout the season. But as far as my health and the way I feel, I feel 100 percent -- like it never happened.



This from NFL Netwoek interview.  But everything out there says he is ok.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 23rd, 2004, 9:13pm
Actually this draft is moving quite nicely.

I took Galloway here, as the 40th someting WR I thought he was a solid pick. I agree that he better days are behind him, but in Gruden's offense, someone has to catch the damn ball. With Keenan bitching and moaning I figured it was worth a shot.
Daniel Graham here was a good pick I think. He should have gone higher. I went on a different approach this year in the draft. I tried to get explosive players that can have huge games. The problem that I think will occur for me is that  it will all be in the same week, then the next week they will suck. Who knows.   [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]  [smiley=shrug.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 23rd, 2004, 9:20pm
Explosive guys are a good strategy in this league.  Coming in, I was just thinking about my bad flashbacks of guys who are inconsistent, because there is no waiver or trade.  Maybe it's because I've always been a waiver wire maven.  I always got there first!  I am really looking forward to how this league plays out over the season.  Except for Shockey, I don't think you're fragile at all, Dolfan.  And Shockey could still show up for you too.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 23rd, 2004, 11:36pm
Just as a note, Galloway averaged 19.8 yards a catch last year.  
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Captain_Lou on Jun 23rd, 2004, 11:57pm
Actually got back home at 11:00PM. Too bad the Sox
used up most of their offense last evening. Great night
to be out at the park though. I am good to go when my picks arrive.

On another note, I am not crazy about selecting out
of that one slot. Many targets have fallen during my
long wait between picks. Plus the fact that this is my first draft of the spring/summer, I expected to be a
tad rusty after taking a few much needed months off.
I have changed my strategy a few times based on
certain situations and players on the board. It will
be interesting to see how this team of mine pans out.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 24th, 2004, 5:14pm
11 D/STs are gone right?  I am the only one left to pick one?
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 24th, 2004, 5:42pm
Correct.  I'll send you the chart right now.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 24th, 2004, 6:11pm
Well, I screwed up royally on my kicker situation.  I had an extremely busy day at work, rushed through those picks (Billy Miller was gone, not many TEs left to be picked by other owners, went for kickers).  But - I didn't stop to check my bye weeks....and picked up two kickers with the same bye week.  Oh well....
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 24th, 2004, 7:21pm
That's ok Callie. I'm sure some of us haven't even thought of BYE weeks until you mentioned it just now.

I'll trade ya Joey Galloway for 1 of your kickers.  ;)

SHHHHHHHH!!! Don't tell anyone.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 24th, 2004, 8:01pm
;)
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 24th, 2004, 11:12pm
Thanks Callie.

Ok, my 16.08 pick will be the Pittsburgh D/STs.

As a homer, I think this is the only position that is underrated for the Steelers this year.  Watch for a more attacking defense that will go along with a more conservative offense.  Dick LeBeau is back as Defensive Coordinator.  The offense will be more orientated towards a ball control offense with Staley and (hopefully) a helthy O-line.  I like the infusion of youth and speed in the DBs and with Haggans taking over for Gildon.

It is extremely bad luck for me to have a draft without a Pittsburgh representative.  I was taking a huge chance waiting until my last pick to grab a Steeler.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by sexydexy on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:18am
Ummm last time I checked, Dom Capers was the Head Coach of the Texans.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25th, 2004, 7:32am

on 06/25/04 at 06:18:09, sexydexy wrote:
Ummm last time I checked, Dom Capers was the Head Coach of the Texans.



Thats what I get for trying to post on no sleep.  Edited, thanks.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by bgsgfan on Jun 25th, 2004, 12:20pm

on 06/24/04 at 23:12:25, bgsgfan wrote:
Ok, my 16.08 pick will be the Pittsburgh D/STs.


Just to be ultra-clear, that is my proxy list.  Any one of you can feel free to post it when the time comes.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:33pm
Crap.  I was laying for Ben Troupe, most guys had their TE spots filled and I thought he just might last.  The only thing I was worried about was Jake taking him, and he did.  Best of luck with him, Jake!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:46pm
[smiley=ontheclock.gif] Joe's 6 Hours are past, and Jake's are almost up. It's the last round, and I hope you people plan on picking if their time is expired...I know I am!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 25th, 2004, 5:53pm
Maybe Jake is just waiting for Joe.  We haven't been strict about the time rules so far, so he may just be following the convention.

Does Joe have phone numbers to call if his computer is down?  Maybe it's a wake-up call for all of us who do not (me included).
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:20pm

on 06/25/04 at 17:33:34, Callie wrote:
Crap.  I was laying for Ben Troupe, most guys had their TE spots filled and I thought he just might last.  The only thing I was worried about was Jake taking him, and he did.  Best of luck with him, Jake!


I was actaully VERY torn between Erron Kinney and Troupe.  I just couldn;t go with the rookie.  
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 25th, 2004, 6:58pm
Who knows who starts this early.  The Titans use TEs, that's why both of them were possibles on my list.  Only time will tell. One of them should have a pretty good season!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DOLFAN on Jun 25th, 2004, 11:01pm
I apologize everyone. I was on the road with my boss today and could not get through to Steg the few times I called him. I did not have DDs # at work to call in my picks to him. My new job does not give me the liberties I once had.
No biggy.
Again fellow CBFLers, I hope i did not slow you guys down too much.
I did however put my ball on the line at the QB position.  I figured this year I would try to draft in the "CRYSTAL BALL" format for which this league is named. I will either crash and burn, or be in the top 5 again. I enjoyed it guys. I look forward to watching the season unfold. No Santanna Moss for me this year, but Feeley was worth a shot since my QB never misses a game.
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Jun 25th, 2004, 11:29pm
Sorry Callie, before I picked Troupe I was looking at the TE's left and figured I'd take a shot on someone who might score more than 20 points all season.  Obviously, TE's are virtually useless anyway once you get past the top 3 or 4 best ones.  
Hopefully Troupe doesn't spend all seaon learning the offense, but there's a good chance he won't do anything till next season (I'll let you have him then, when he actually does something).   [smiley=awwgee.gif]
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 25th, 2004, 11:32pm
It's like what Dolfan was talking about.  The Crystal Ball League should be about speculation.  That's what makes it fun!
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 26th, 2004, 1:45pm
And MR. IRRELEVANT of the 2004 CBLF Draft is................

PK SETH MARLER - JAGUARS!!!

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Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Captain_Lou on Jun 27th, 2004, 9:57pm

on 06/26/04 at 13:45:00, Callie wrote:
And MR. IRRELEVANT of the 2004 CBLF Draft is................

PK SETH MARLER - JAGUARS!!!

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LOL  :D  There were in fact a few others I was considering for that final pick, but my team needed a kicker and he certainly fits the bill.

On another note, I really enjoyed the draft. Many of you
caught me off guard, but I did expect this. I took a long
break after the Pats Super Bowl win. I am satisified
with what I was able to draft, and look forward to
following the weekly scores. Lou is back !
Title: Re: 2004 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Callie on Jun 28th, 2004, 6:28pm
You know that whoever was picked last is Mr. Irrelevant.  But what Seth wants to know is, does he get a parade????

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