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(Message started by: StegRock on Jul 25th, 2004, 10:28pm)
Title: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 25th, 2004, 10:28pm
Okay, guys, here is the thread to put comments on.  This very first post is where I will maintain the cumulative running list of picks!  Enjoy, and let's have fun with it!

"the Gridiron" Top 100
1. RB Priest Holmes - Chiefs
2. RB LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers
3. RB Clinton Portis - Redskins
4. RB Deuce McAllister - Saints
5. RB Shaun Alexander - Seahawks
6. RB Jamal Lewis - Ravens
7. RB Ahman Green - Packers
8. WR Randy Moss - Vikings
9. RB Edgerrin James - Colts
10. QB Daunte Culpepper - Vikings
11. WR Terrell Owens- Eagles
12. QB Peyton Manning - Colts
13. RB Rudi Johnson - Bengals
14. WR Torry Holt - Rams
15. RB Kevan Barlow - 49ers
16. RB Domanick Davis - Texans
17. WR Marvin Harrison - Colts
18. RB Fred Taylor - Jaguars
19. QB Michael Vick - Falcons
20. RB Michael Bennett - Vikings
21. RB Travis Henry - Bills
22. RB Corey Dillon - Patriots
23. WR Chad Johnson - Bengals
24. RB Marshall Faulk - Rams
25. QB Donovan McNabb - Eagles
26. WR Hines Ward - Steelers
27. QB Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
28. WR Santana Moss - Jets
29. RB Tiki Barber -Giants
30. TE Tony Gonzalez- Chiefs
31. WR Derrick Mason - Titans
32. RB Stephen Davis - Panthers
33. RB Kevin Jones - Lions
34. RB Brian Westbrook - Eagles
35. WR Anquan Boldin - Cardinals
36. WR Laveranues Coles - Redskins
37. WR Steve Smith - Panthers
38. WR Andre Johnson - Texans
39. RB Julius Jones - Cowboys
40. WR Eric Moulds - Bills
41. WR Darrell Jackson - Seahawks
42. QB Steve McNair - Titans
43. RB Charlie Garner - Buccaneers
44. WR Koren Robinson - Seahawks
45. WR Charles Rogers - Lions
46. WR Joe Horn - Saints
47. WR Keyshawn Johnson - Cowboys
48. QB Chad Pennington - Jets
49. QB Trent Green - Chiefs
50. RB Curtis Martin - Jets
51. QB Marc Bulger - Rams
52. WR Jimmy Smith - Jaguars
53. RB Duce Staley - Steelers
54. WR Peerless Price - Falcons
55. RB Thomas Jones - Bears
56. WR Chris Chambers - Dolphins
57. QB Aaron Brooks - Saints
58. WR Javon Walker - Packers
59. WR Ashlie Lelie - Broncos
60. TE Todd Heap - Ravens
61. RB Marcel Shipp - Cardinals
62. RB Chris Brown - Titans
63. QB Tom Brady - Patriots
64. RB Corell Buckhalter - Eagles
65. RB Lee Suggs - Browns
66. RB T. J. Duckett - Falcons
67. WR Isaac Bruce - Rams
68. WR Amani Toomer - Giants
69. QB Brett Favre - Packers
70. TE Kellen Winslow - Browns
71. TE Jeremy Shockey - Giants
72. WR Plaxico Burress - Steelers
73. RB Tyrone Wheatley - Raiders
74. RB Deshaun Foster - Panthers
75. QB Brad Johnson - Buccaneers
76. D/ST - Baltimore Ravens
77. TE Alge Crumpler - Falcons
78. RB Tatum Bell - Broncos
79. WR Marty Booker - Bears
80. RB Warrick Dunn - Falcons
81. WR David Boston - Dolphins
82. D/ST - New England Patriots
83. WR Rod Smith - Broncos
84. RB Eddie George - Cowboys
85. WR Justin McCareins - Jets
86. TE Randy McMicael - Dolphins
87. TE Boo Williams - Saints
88. QB Jake Plummer - Broncos
89. WR Donte Stallworth - Saints
90. D/ST - Dallas Cowboys
91. WR Jerry Porter - Raiders
92. D/ST Carolina Panthers
93. QB Jake Delhomme - Panthers
94. WR Reggie Wayne - Colts
95. QB Jeff Garcia - Browns
96. WR Andre Davis - Browns
97. WR Drew Bennett - Titans
98. WR Deion Branch - Patriots
99. WR Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals
100. QB Byron Leftwich - Jaguars
101. QB Drew Bledsoe - Bills
102. TE Antonio Gates - Chargers
103. WR Roy Williams - Lions
104. RB Garrison Hearst - Broncos
105. TE Dallas Clark - Colts
106. RB Willis McGahee - Bills
107. WR Keenan McCardell - Buccaneers
108. PK Mike Vanderjagt - Colts
109. WR Marcus Robinson - Vikings
110. RB Onterrio Smith - Vikings
111. WR Eddie Kennison - Chiefs
112. RB Steven Jackson - Rams
113. RB LaMont Jordan - Jets
114. D/ST Philadelphia Eagles
115. PK Jeff Wilkins - Rams
116. QB Joey Harrington - Lions
117. TE Marcus Pollard - Colts
118. QB David Carr - Texans
119. RB Greg Jones - Jaguars
120. QB Josh McCown - Cardinals
121. RB Justin Fargas - Raiders
122. RB Moe Williams - Vikings
123. RB Musa Smith - Ravens
124. QB Carson Palmer - Bengals
125. WR Jerry Rice - Raiders
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 26th, 2004, 7:09am
Wow... no love for Ahman Green.  I wish he would fall this far in my drafts.  (Of course I've landed the #3 slot in both of my drafts this season and LT2 was sitting there for me both times.)
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 26th, 2004, 7:13am
I agree with the bird brain, er, I mean Philly.  ;) Green at #7? No way...4 at the lowest.

( the season is fast approaching, let the insults between bitter division rival begin!!)  ;D
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 26th, 2004, 7:25pm
The "Top 100" list in the initial post of this thread (above) has been updated through pick #27. [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Callie on Jul 26th, 2004, 7:38pm
Guess everyone is eating dinner.....
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by DUKE0313 on Jul 26th, 2004, 9:37pm

on 07/26/04 at 07:13:09, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I agree with the bird brain, er, I mean Philly.  ;) Green at #7? No way...4 at the lowest.

( the season is fast approaching, let the insults between bitter division rival begin!!)  ;D


It's hard to argue with Deuce at #4, and the top three are pretty obvious picks. Deuce accounted for over 40% of the New Orleans offense last year. That's a pretty big chunk and he should score some major points again this year.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Callie on Jul 26th, 2004, 9:41pm
I certainly hope so, or Philly will have my braggin' rights all season!
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 26th, 2004, 10:33pm
Regarding Ahman Green at #7, I don't think it is preposterous at all.  Even though they would not necessarily be arguments with which I would side, I could certainly make arguments for all the guys ahead of him on our list.  And, in any event, I like independent thinkers.  We don't want our list to be ridiculous, but we also do not want to merely produce a photocopy of what else is already out there.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 26th, 2004, 10:40pm

on 07/26/04 at 21:37:40, DUKE0313 wrote:
It's hard to argue with Deuce at #4, and the top three are pretty obvious picks. Deuce accounted for over 40% of the New Orleans offense last year. That's a pretty big chunk and he should score some major points again this year.


You mean Deuce might even score more than 8 times in 2004?!?  Wow!  I'm surprised he didn't go first overall.

Sorry for the sarcasm... I just think Deuce is getting a lot of undue hype this off-season.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Callie on Jul 26th, 2004, 10:47pm
"FFC prediction - The Saints offense breaks the Vikings single season scoring record. Helped by the "Perfect Fantasy Storm" of playing in a dome, a poor defense and tremendous talent and speed at the skill positions the Saints become the highest scoring team in the NFL. Deuce McAllister proved he warranted our #2 ranking last year and stepped into the elite RB crowd. All Pro WR Joe Horn proved he can play well even when hurt and Boo Williams emerged as a legitimate weapon at TE. Throw in Donte Stallworth breaking out this year in his 3rd season and you have some of the best receiving options in the NFL. We look for the young burner to top 1200 yards with potential double digit TD's. Aaron Brooks will throw for 30+TDs and still get no respect from fantasy owners for his occasional lack luster performance. However 30 TD's still won't be enough to land him in the Pro Bowl as McNabb and Vick garner all of the NFC votes."

Gawd, hope they're right this time!
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by DUKE0313 on Jul 26th, 2004, 10:48pm

on 07/26/04 at 22:40:29, Philly wrote:
You mean Deuce might even score more than 8 times in 2004?!?  Wow!  I'm surprised he didn't go first overall.

Sorry for the sarcasm... I just think Deuce is getting a lot of undue hype this off-season.

Undue in what way? IMO he's just coming into his prime and should be "top level" for the next few years. Either way, if I were picking at #7, I'd be very happy to find either Green or Deuce there.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 26th, 2004, 10:53pm
...or Jamal or Alexander!
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 27th, 2004, 7:10am
I'd certainly take Deuce at #7 if he was there.  I just see lots of drafts where he is the #3 RB behind the Padre and LT2.

The predicitions about the Saints could have been made last year too, but Deuce failed to get it done in the red zone.

I'm not a Deuce hater... I just think he is overrated.  If he's a top tier RB (he's very close in my book), he's at the bottom of that tier.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by DUKE0313 on Jul 27th, 2004, 8:15pm
While I would find it difficult to rank Deuce ahead of Portis at #3, I do think he's a legitimate candidate for #4 (as is Green). But, as I have both Portis and Deuce on my team this year, I'm hoping Deuce really tears it up and scores some MAJOR points! Yes, I would like to see him score more than 8 TD's, but I think an improving New Orleans Offense will help keep defenses honest and give Deuce more opportunities at the goal line. I hope.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 27th, 2004, 10:32pm

on 07/27/04 at 20:15:17, DUKE0313 wrote:
I think an improving New Orleans Offense will help keep defenses honest and give Deuce more opportunities at the goal line. I hope.


Where did they improve?
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 28th, 2004, 12:20am
The "Top 100" list in the initial post of this thread has been updated through pick #50.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 29th, 2004, 12:11am
The "Top 100" list in the initial post of this thread has been updated through pick #66.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 29th, 2004, 3:02pm
WOW!!!  This thing is REALLY movin' today! [smiley=onit.gif] Could we be headed beyond 100!?!? [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Jul 29th, 2004, 3:03pm
Plenty of draftable players left... we could hit 200 easily.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 29th, 2004, 3:08pm
I say, [smiley=coach.gif]"LET'S DO IT!"  Let's plan to do it in increments of 25, i.e., let's shoot for 125, then 150 and so on, hopefully getting to 200... and perhaps even beyond!!! [smiley=ohshit.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Callie on Jul 29th, 2004, 7:56pm
I'm in all the way! [smiley=sunny.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 30th, 2004, 6:04am
Wow, you guys kick a&s ! I can't believe this is done already.  

Steg, should we go to 150 ?  I think 150-200 is relevant because that range corresponds with a typical 12 team 15 round draft, but I think beyond 150 gets kind of challenging (especially for me, as I would spaz out and draft duplicate players).

JYJ :^)
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 30th, 2004, 2:31pm
That's what we were discussing, JYJ (read above)!  Goin' for 125 right now, then 150 and so on! ;D
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 30th, 2004, 4:34pm
We are up to 108 and the comprehensive list in the initial post of this thread above has been updated accordingly! ;D
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 30th, 2004, 5:02pm
Hey Steg,

Yes, I saw the discussion, I'm thinking 150 would be great for publishing sake.  Obviously, if you would like to continue past 150 to 200 and then on to hockey players [smiley=smileytrash.gif] and NASCAR drivers, I could put that up too but I'm fine with 150.

BTW, I like your new team reports, they look awesome.

JYJ :^)
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Jul 30th, 2004, 6:54pm

on 07/30/04 at 17:02:40, junkyardjake wrote:
BTW, I like your new team reports, they look awesome.


Well,... I look awesome... ;D ... [smiley=awwgee.gif] ... ;)

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

...

Oh, and by the way, thanks, JYJ! [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by junkyardjake on Jul 31st, 2004, 12:06pm
Steg, Are you referring to your picture on the Denver Bronco report page ?  That is a fine looking picture, at first I thought you hired George Clooney as your correspondent.

JYJ :^)     [smiley=smileytrash.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Aug 1st, 2004, 2:04am
;D

...

The "Top whatever" list in the initial post of this thread (on page 1) has been updated through pick #125. [smiley=bow.gif] We're now officially on our way to 150!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Let's do it!
[smiley=commander.gif] [smiley=onit.gif] [smiley=onit.gif] [smiley=onit.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Aug 1st, 2004, 5:44pm
Can we get an f'n pick here! [smiley=annoyed.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Aug 2nd, 2004, 4:57pm
Guys, let's abandon the whole "waiting for TWO people to pick before you pick again" thing at this point so as to hasten this thing to 150.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Aug 3rd, 2004, 10:13am
Sorry... I would have been much more active, but I couldn't access the computer much during the weekend and took the day off work Monday to head up to Eagles training camp.

I'm back now, and will keep this thing going.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Aug 4th, 2004, 4:34pm
Jim, who doesn't make a pick in this thing in like 5 years, goes and, granted unwittingly, fucks it up in one fell swoop. [smiley=LMFAO.gif] Jiiii-iiiim! [smiley=no.gif]


on 08/04/04 at 02:22:00, BarnabyWilde wrote:
149. QB Quincy Carter - Cowboys


Especially because Junkyard Jake publishes this "professionally" at JunkyardJake.com, I'm thinking I should pull the pick out, bump Travis Minor up and make a new pick at #150.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by Philly on Aug 4th, 2004, 5:06pm
I'd say bump Travis Minor up to 149, and let Jim make the last pick for this huddle at 150.  Things are going too slow to try to push it much further.  I figure Jim earned the right because Quincy Carter was all but assured the #1 QB position by his head coach when he had made the pick.


...........................
Hey Jim... take Ricky Williams at 150... that will really get Steg going!  ;D  [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by sexydexy on Aug 4th, 2004, 5:10pm
Well, with all due respect, it looks more like a draft guide and not top 150 fantasy players for the upcoming year.  I'm hoping that's what it's for?
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 4th, 2004, 5:55pm
Nice job coke head Carter.  :P

Someone else can make the pick at 150.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by StegRock on Aug 4th, 2004, 6:52pm

on 08/04/04 at 17:10:29, sexydexy wrote:
Well, with all due respect, it looks more like a draft guide and not top 150 fantasy players for the upcoming year.  I'm hoping that's what it's for?


I take some exception to this, sd, my friend, on a couple fronts.  First off, it's a rather thankless sentiment to express to the bunch of dudes who worked, in my case very hard, on this. It's too terse of a post for the "with all due respect" indemnification clause/euphemizer to really have any mitigating effect.  Secondly, we do this with it specifically in mind to give ALL fantasy footballers an opportunity to contribute to a professionalish publication as we all know what we often have to say about what the "self-proclaimed" (paid) experts come up with on their own; point being, you had an opportunity to contribute to this and effect its outcome.  Yet, while the rest of us toughed it out through 150 picks, you bailed at pick #5 (which takes almost no effort at all to make).  Thirdly, daring to be different and originality do not necessarily mean poor; it may just mean forward-thinking.  Lastly, though I have my understanding of the difference, as it applies here, I really don't understand what you mean by the difference between a "draft guide" and a "top players list for the upcoming year".

Needless to say, I'd like to see you make a proactive, positive difference next time by participating rather than just playing Monday morning quarterback after the fact... after a bunch of fairly knowledgable dudes expending their energies for nothing in return worked hard to produce, at least, a "nice", unique product "to play with" and consider (as you wish).

In closing, I just want to say that, of course, I too surely don't like a number of the picks.  That's my subjective perception and I know that and respect other's thoughts, though, admittedly, there may be a few objective clunkers.  But, if don't plan to take the time to argue point-by-point my specific objections in an intelligent way, I'll keep that to myself as I know the product overall is pretty darn good, and in the least a unique and uniquely-produced list (vis-a-vis the "experts" speaking down to the rest of from their perches).
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by sexydexy on Aug 8th, 2004, 7:40am
I have been participating in a consensus mock draft at Fantasy Asylum.  It's all about draft position and who you'd take at a certain draft spot.  I just wanted to know if this was a draft spot type list or whether it was based on who we thought would score the most fantasy points this season by rank.  To me, it just almost seems like we're throwing out names at any particular spot with no criteria for putting them at any given spot.  That, to me, would make a more quantified and qualified list rather than just having someone pick and then another person pick after him.

I was just wondering what practical use there is for such a list where we pick names whenever we feel like it versus a more consensus top player/draft pick type deal where everybody can input on every pick.  
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by junkyardjake on Aug 8th, 2004, 2:49pm
Hey sexydexy,


Quote:

I just wanted to know if this was a draft spot type list or whether it was based on who we thought would score the most fantasy points this season by rank.

The criteria for perhaps any hypothetical draft is to select a player based on point potential and relative value, our poll is no exception.  (Steg wanted to include the criteria of 'how many pieces of bubble gum a player could fit in his mouth'[smiley=whistle.gif], but we over-ruled him).


Quote:
I was just wondering what practical use there is for such a list where we pick names whenever we feel like it versus a more consensus top player/draft pick type deal where everybody can input on every pick.


Oddly enough, I bet if you compared the results of our top 150 poll vs. either a mock or a consensus mock draft or even an average draft breakdown (i.e. multiple mock drafts combined to find average position), there would be only moderate differences.

I think the practical use for any of these exercises is to
help determine the preceptions of fantasy players before you do an actual draft,  this way you can better determine when to take your target players.  For example, Larry Fitzgerald seems to be going at around spot #99 in drafts this year (he went #89 in the top 150 poll).  If you really think Fitzgerald is worth taking, this tells you not to waste a pick by drafting him in the third round, because in all likelihood you can wait until the 7-8th round to draft him.

JYJ :^)

Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by sexydexy on Aug 8th, 2004, 4:52pm
Gotcha.
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by junkyardjake on Aug 8th, 2004, 8:19pm
How did your consensus mock draft at Fantasy Asylum go, did you see any surprises ?

JYJ :^)
Title: Re: Huddle Up...  Top 100 Commentary
Post by sexydexy on Aug 9th, 2004, 6:30am
It's still ongoing.  It's on pick 3.09.  


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