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Title: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 29th, 2005, 9:43pm Okay, guys, here is the thread to put comments on. This very first post is where I will maintain the cumulative running list of picks! Enjoy, and let's have fun with it! First "Huddle" Mock Draft of '05 1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers 2. RB Shaun Alexander - Seahawks 3. RB Edgerrin James - Colts 4. QB Peyton Manning - Colts 5. RB Willis McGahee - Bills 6. RB Ahman Green - Packers 7. RB Jamal Lewis - Ravens 8. RB Priest Holmes - Chiefs 9. RB Deuce McAllister - Saints 10. RB Julius Jones - Cowboys 11. RB Corey Dillon - Patriots 12. QB Daunte Culpepper - Vikings 13. RB Clinton Portis - Redskins 14. RB Stephen Jackson - Rams 15. RB Kevin Jones - Lions 16. RB Rudi Johnson - Bengals 17. RB Domanick Davis - Texans 18. RB Tiki Barber - Giants 19. WR Marvin Harrison - Colts 20. QB Donovan McNabb - Eagles 21. RB Curtis Martin - Jets 22. WR Randy Moss - Raiders 23. RB Michael Bennett - Vikings 24. WR Terrell Owens - Eagles 25. QB Jake Plummer - Broncos 26. WR Torry Holt - Rams 27. WR Chad Johnson - Bengals 28. RB Lamont Jordan - Raiders 29. RB Ronnie Brown - Dolphins 30. RB Tatum Bell - Broncos 31. QB Marc Bulger - Rams 32. RB Brian Westbrook - Eagles 33. WR Joe Horn - Saints 34. TE Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs 35. QB Michael Vick - Falcons 36. WR Andre Johnson - Texans 37. TE Antonio Gates - Chargers 38. QB Trent Green - Chiefs 39. WR Javon Walker - Packers 40. RB Carnell Williams - Buccaneers 41. WR Michael Clayton - Buccaneers 42. RB Warrick Dunn - Falcons 43. WR Roy Williams - Lions 44. RB Chris Brown - Titans 45. RB Cedric Benson - Bears 46. RB Duce Staley - Steelers 47. WR Hines Ward - Steelers 48. RB Fred Taylor - Jaguars 49. WR Steve Smith - Panthers 50. WR Laveranues Coles - Jets 51. RB Lee Suggs - Browns 52. WR Reggie Wayne - Colts 53. QB Kerry Collins - Raiders 54. QB Matt Hasselback - Seahawks 55. RB Reuben Droughns - Browns 56. WR Darrell Jackson - Seahawks 57. D/ST Baltimore Ravens 58. WR Derek Mason - Ravens 59. RB J.J. Arrington - Cardinals 60. WR Drew Bennett - Titans 61. Jerry Porter - Raiders 62. WR Deion Branch - Patriots 63. RB Travis Henry - Bills (for now) 64. RB Ricky Williams - Dolphins (for now... kind of) 65. TE Jason Witten - Cowboys 66. WR Mushin Mohammad - Bears 67. WR Nate Burleson - Vikings 68. QB Chad Pennington - Jets 69. QB Tom Brady - Patriots 70. WR Jimmy Smith - Jaguars 71. TE Todd Heap - Ravens 72. RB DeShaun Foster - Panthers 73. TE Jeremy Shockey - Giants 74. RB Kevan Barlow - 49ers 75. TE Alge Crumpler - Falcons 76. WR Isaac Bruce - Rams 77. QB Brett Favre - Packers 78. WR Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals 79. WR Ashley Lelie - Broncos 80. RB Jerome Bettis - Steelers 81. WR Plaxico Burress - Giants 82. WR Anquan Boldin - Cardinals 83. QB Drew Brees - Chargers 84. D/ST - Pittsburgh Steelers 85. WR Rod Smith - Broncos 86. D/ST - New England Patriots 87. RB Larry Johnson - Chiefs 88. WR Chris Chambers - Dolphins 89. RB Thomas Jones - Bears 90. WR Antwaan Randle El - Steelers 91. TE Dallas Clark - Colts 92. WR Eric Moulds - Bills 93. QB Carson Palmer - Bengals 94. D/ST - Carolina Panthers 95. WR Lee Evans - Bills 96. QB Aaron Brooks - Saints 97. PK David Akers - Eagles 98. D/ST - Philadelphia Eagles 99. WR Eddie Kennison - Chiefs 100. PK Jeff Wilkins - Rams 101. QB Jake Delhomme - Panthers 102. RB T.J. Duckett - Falcons 103. WR Donald Driver - Packers 104. D/ST - Buffalo Bills 105. QB Byron Leftwich - Jaguars 106. WR Troy Williamson - Vikings 107. WR T.J. Houshmandzedeh - WR Bengals 108. WR Mike Williams - Lions 109. TE Randy McMichael - Dolphins 110. RB Frank Gore - 49ers 111. WR Brandon Stokley - Colts 112. QB Kurt Warner - Cardinals 113. WR Matt Jones - Jaguars 114. RB Stephen Davis - Panthers 115. WR Braylon Edwards - Bengals 116. RB Maurice Clarett - Broncos 117. WR Santana Moss - Redskins 118. RB Eric Shelton - Panthers 119. QB David Carr - Texans 120. QB Ben Roethlisberger - Pittsburgh Steelers 121. WR Keary Colbert - Panthers 122. WR Charles Rogers - Lions 123. RB Correll Buckhalter - Eagles 124. QB Steve McNair - Titans 125. RB Najeh Davenport - Packers 126. QB Eli Manning - Giants 127. RB Marshall Faulk - Rams 128. WR Mark Clayton - Ravens 129. WR Keenan McCardell - Chargers 130. TE Heath Miller - Steelers 131. QB Brian Griese - Buccaneers 132. D/ST - Washington Redskins 133. RB Derrick Blaylock - Jets 134. QB Joey Harrington - Lions 135. WR Brandon Lloyd - 49ers 136. RB Mewelde Moore - Vikings 137. TE Eric Johnson - 49ers 138. WR Roddy White - Falcons 139. TE Jermaine Wiggins - Vikings 140. WR Justin McCareins - Jets 141. WR Andre Davis - Browns 142. WR Reggie Williams - Jaguars 143. QB J.P. Losman - Bills 144. WR Reche Caldwell - Chargers 145. WR Jerome Pathon - Seahawks 146. TE Marcus Pollard - Lions 147. TE L.J. Smith - Eagles 148. WR Reggie Brown - Eagles 149. PK Mike Vanderjagt - Colts 150. QB Jeff Garcia - Lions |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on May 29th, 2005, 10:12pm The first pick overall seems to be the same in nearly every mock I've seen so far... that's where the consistency ends. Plenty of different opinions on who the next players should be and Alexander and James are two proven guys who can get it done (and will likely be playing for a new contract). |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by BarnabyWilde on May 29th, 2005, 10:37pm From a pure fantasy standpoint, it is hard not to draft Peyton Manning. I'd take him #2 overall behind LT2, ahead of Alexander and Edge. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by DirkDiggler on May 29th, 2005, 11:00pm The #5 spot is where I really see the draft going all over the place. There are so many different running backs out there. I took McGahee because he had a strong finish to last year and I really think Henry will be gone by the start of the season. It was a tough decision though. The Jones'(Julius and Kevin) were hard to pass up. Then you have Jamal, Priest, and McAllister. This year is a draft I would rather own picks later in the round than the beginning. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2005, 2:59pm VERY nice pace... Not too rapid, not at all slow... ... The "Masters" goin' at it! [smiley=zenmaster.gif] |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on May 30th, 2005, 3:37pm Well... I'll be the first to choose a WR. Randy Moss has a new address, Terrell Owens has a new complaint, so Marvin Harrison looks like the safest bet amongst the WRs in 2005. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2005, 6:15pm With LaMont Jordan shipped out of town, good ole' Curtis Martin, despite his age, becomes an even more sure thing in '05. I don't think he will push for the rushing title this year, but, especially considering his sturdiness, I do think he is about as solid of a bet for 1,250 and 10 rushing that there is. [smiley=shrug.gif] |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on May 30th, 2005, 8:32pm So far, the pattern is holding: 3 top RBs, then P. Manning Next tier RBs (7), then C Pep Next tier RBs (6), then Harrison (first WR) Then McNabb, C Mart & Oh Randy (grabbing talent because it won't be there later) Nice Mock! I do wonder if Owens is falling too far. After the usual agent crap is over, he will produce, as usual. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 30th, 2005, 9:12pm I just sense 4,200++ and 30++ from Jake this year! [smiley=shrug.gif] ... [smiley=broncofan.gif] |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on May 30th, 2005, 9:17pm Wishful thinking? I see him going WAY later (like around the 8th or 9th round) in most mocks so far this year. This is a run first team, although Lelie could show up, and it would be no surprise. Michael seemed to go pretty early, too. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by DirkDiggler on May 30th, 2005, 10:03pm on 05/30/05 at 21:12:28, StegRock wrote:
Jake Plummer at #25? What a joke. Even if you think he could have those types of numbers you could grab him in the 7th round instead of the 8th. (which is where he will go) In EVERY mock draft I have seen he goes no earlier than the 6th round. Homer Pick. [smiley=dick.jpg] (Steg has a Boner for Plummer!!!) Hell, why not just put Elways name instead? |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 31st, 2005, 12:33am DD, Callie, while I surely appreciate whence you guys are coming, remember these "huddle" things by nature (label aside) are essentially a hybrid between a mock draft and a rankings list. Typically in the past I identified them as "rankings". This time I decided to use the terminology "mock draft". But, that does not change the fact that we are not drafting with teams in mind. The point is to bring into play what we actually think these guys will do in '05... with an eye towards how we see fantasy drafts playing out. With this in mind, I believe my pick of Plummer at 25 is defensible. I liked him better than the next running back or wide receiver (and obviously next quarterback) on the board and I think that is within the realm of reason even if it is extremely unlikely that he gets drafted at such a high ranking. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by BarnabyWilde on May 31st, 2005, 9:05am I agree, Plummer went WAY too high. Bulger, Green, Vick, Hasselbeck, Collins, Palmer, Brady, Favre, Brooks, Brees should all have gone before him. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 31st, 2005, 9:36am on 05/31/05 at 09:05:29, BarnabyWilde wrote:
I like Plummer in '05 a smidgen more than Bulger, Green and Vick, my next three QB's probably in that order. Collins would probably be next. As for Palmer, Brady, Favre, Brooks and Brees in '05, I like Plummer quite a bit more than them. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on May 31st, 2005, 9:36am I won't even begin to try to defend the Plummer pick... ?.?.? (even with Steggies explanation). Plummer had similar numbers last season (4089 pass yards and 27 TDs - along with 20 INTs), but even then was only tied for 7th in fantasy scoring per game amongst QBs (using a standard scoring rubric). But as for Michael Bennett... he may seem to have gone a little high, but let's look at things here. He is the unquestioned starter in Minny. Onterrio is gone, Moe is a vulture (who is getting old and only had 4 TDs in 2004), Mewelde is a back-up, and Fason is an untested rookie. Also, the Vikes have stated that they will look to balance the running and passing games more this season and they have a very good O-line to run behind. Finally, Bennett needs to have a great season to earn a big contract (likely his last chance to do so). |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on May 31st, 2005, 10:26am Oh, Lord... I would definitely take Bulger over the rather risky picks of Jordan (but I do like him), Brown (VERY concerned about him at this point) and Bell (not the given he was looking like he would be) and perhaps ahead of Holt and Johnson as well. By the way, I think the Bennett pick was right on! [smiley=bullseye.gif] Bennett may have some of his numbers vultured, but he's going to be the go-to tailback in Minnesota again this season! [smiley=yes.gif] |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by BarnabyWilde on May 31st, 2005, 10:26am on 05/31/05 at 09:36:22, Philly wrote:
I hope you are right, because I agree with you. I think Bennett will be the starter in Minny, and will put up some good numbers. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by DirkDiggler on May 31st, 2005, 1:03pm I was torn on the 34 pick. I was not sure if I should go with Tony G or Antonio Gates. Ultimately Tony Gonzalez 1300 yards beat out Antonio Gates 13 TDs. It really is a coin flip. However, I went with a proven commidity vs someone who will be highly defensed this year. (there was also Javon Walker, but with his hold out and the question of being a one year wonder.....) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on May 31st, 2005, 1:34pm I don't know that teams will be able to better defend against Gates in 2005. You better believe that NFL defensive coordinators knew about Gates following the end of the 2003 season when he really came on. The problem is that his size/speed combo at the TE position really creates mismatches against safeties and linebackers (and defensive ends) who try to cover him. I think that Gates has vaulted to the top of the TE list, supplanting Gonzo, Heap, and Shockey (who were the triumvirate for the past few years). |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:22pm BIG thumbs up on the last two picks by Callie (Staley) and Philly (Ward). They are fantastic gets! |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:32pm Offseason concerns aside, couldn't wait any longer on Taylor, for goodness sake! He's still top 50, for sure! |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 1st, 2005, 12:42pm In the early mocks I've seen, Taylor has usually been going somewhere in the 4th round. Where in the 4th varies, but I think most of the time it's early in the 4th. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 1st, 2005, 3:53pm on 06/01/05 at 12:42:50, Callie wrote:
Xpertsports (which already has a number of mocks on the books with which to get an idea of ADP) has Fred Taylor at 3.2 in a 12 team league (on average). In 450+ drafts he's gone as early as #15 and as late as #38 overall and has a top 100 average of about 26. So he definitely went later here than most are projecting him. I kept seeing him on the xpertsports top 100 cheat sheet I'm using as a reference (since I haven't done all my extensive homework yet - Callie can attest to how much I do since I sent her my cheatsheets last year) but I wasn't willing to pull the trigger on him because of his injury issues. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 1st, 2005, 3:56pm As the saying goes, look up "extensive homework" in the dictionary and find a picture of Philly. ;D |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 1st, 2005, 7:14pm Had to grab Collins! He's been going about a round later in most mocks I've seen, but he has so many targets and an improved O line. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Tony_O on Jun 1st, 2005, 8:00pm I think Droughns is likely to start over Suggs. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2005, 8:58pm With all due respect, Tony, there is NO WAY Droughns, a lucky Derek Loville-type who was a third-stringer with the Lions back in the day and who, due only to injury, got an opportunity to start behind a phat o-line for the RB factory known as the Broncos, starts over Suggs, the young up-and-comer who has looked awesome at times behind a shit o-line and in a totally shit offense. Droughns is not even an Olandis Gary and look what Gary's done since leaving the Broncos. Yes, injuries have played a part in Gary's situation, but... the good ones overcome... Anyway, good luck on the Droughn's gamble! ;) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 1st, 2005, 9:06pm In practically every fantasy league I've ever played in, picking up the Ravens D this early has ALWAYS paid off for the team that did it. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 1st, 2005, 10:19pm The scary thing is that the Ravens D could be even more dangerous this year than in the past as Rex Ryan is installing the good old 46 defense which is known for its attacking style. I had to go with Travis Henry at #63. He WILL get traded sometime before the season starts (hopefully late in the preseason so he will be a bargain in the drafts that occur a bit early). Some team will lose their RB in training camp and Henry will be there to jump right in. He's still a top RB even though he is the #2 on his team right now. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 1st, 2005, 10:23pm From everything I've seen, teams are laying for him. We'll see what happens now that June 1st is over. The guy is only something like 27 years old! I think he has a shot at a very good year somewhere. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 1st, 2005, 10:38pm Ricky Williams pick at 64 "inspired" [smiley=bonghit.gif]by Phil's of Henry. ;) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 2nd, 2005, 7:39am MUshin Muhammad at number 66. That is a good value pick. He is THE receiver in Chicago which has a new offense coordinator. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by sexydexy on Jun 2nd, 2005, 8:07am Michael Vick and Jake Plummer picked too high. MVBH (Most Valuable Bong Hitter): Ricky Williams Come on, Steg...couldn't you think of something less insane for that pick? ;D :o |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 2nd, 2005, 11:16am on 06/02/05 at 07:39:09, DirkDiggler wrote:
Muhsin was a one-hit (or perhaps two-hit if you go back in time) wonder last year. He will come way back down to earth next year in Chicago on a new team. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 2nd, 2005, 11:17am on 06/02/05 at 08:07:54, sexydexy wrote:
What do I know, right? [smiley=idontknow.gif] ... ;) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 2nd, 2005, 11:30am In the mocks I've seen so far, Jimmy Smith seems to be going both earlier and later than I took him at #70. Mainly he seems to be going in the late 5th or early 6th. The Jags keep saying they're going to the vertical game in 2005. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 2nd, 2005, 12:56pm Looking at the data from Xpertsports again, Callie, it looks like your pick of Jimmy Smith was right on. They have Smith at #69 out of 100. I like DeShaun Foster where I got him. When he's healthy, he's a solid #2 fantasy RB. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 2nd, 2005, 1:36pm I know that any 49er is a dicey pick this season. Not only are they rebuilding, but their schedule is murder for travel. But in the 7th round he could be a good speculation pick. As long as he's one of your back-ups, you can pick and choose which weeks to play him. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Tony_O on Jun 2nd, 2005, 3:03pm Steg, nice Derek Loville reference, it's not everyday you can drop his name. We will have to see who ends up starting. It seems to me that Suggs couldn't keep Green off the field and if Romeo uses an offense similar to the "pats" then a back like droughns who can grind out the tough yards will have the advantage. However, I'm sure Suggs will get some "PT" too. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:05pm Is anybody else noticing that the picks leading up to the pick you are about to make affect in an "improper" way who you pick or how you think about your pick? I have found myself thinking of or even leaning toward a dude because another dude from his team or former team was recently taken or just because another dude at his position was taken; in other words, making selections in an unscientific manner (because at this point in the offseason A LOT of homework is still needing to be done). [smiley=awwgee.gif] I mean I'm not saying I'm not doing a good job making my picks, but the psychology of it and how it fills in for the gaps of knowledge is interesting to be self-aware of. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:26pm I've seen a little of what you're saying, but your theory may be just a result of other causes. Mainly, I would wonder if the overall teams themselves are the reason. If the teams tier out, maybe their players do, too. For instance, just how good or bad is the offensive line on any given team? How about the QB? Will the D on a team make them have to keep up with the scoring of the team they are playing. That in and of itself could result in clustering. The simplest solution isn't always the only possible reason. :-/ |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 2nd, 2005, 10:33pm I too TOTALLY see your observations, Callie. On the other hand, I am telling you the truth about what is going on in my head when I have been picking, bottom line. I am not positing a theory. The spirit of my question was more "confessional" and trying to get at the individual psychology going on rather than analyzing the group dynamic and how the list is playing out. I am looking for responses coming from within, not an analysis from without, which is what your (largely correct) observations are. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 3rd, 2005, 7:39am I think I understand what you are saying, Steg. Right after I picked Brett Favre (77) I had my next pick all lined up (Anquan Boldin). But then Larry Fitzgerald went in the subsequent pick (78). I was going to come back a couple picks later and pick Boldin at 80, but the Fitz pick made me stop and think, "wait, we can't have both of the Cards' WRs chosen within a couple picks of each other"... Fortunately JYJ picked him, at great value, before I had a chance to think about it again. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 3rd, 2005, 8:20am on 06/03/05 at 07:43:32, Callie wrote:
People takin' my players a second time. Guess I'm not such a dumb picker after all... [smiley=smileytrash.gif] Or, maybe since it's like 50+ picks later, it's proof in the pudding that I am a rotten picker. :-[ ... ;) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 3rd, 2005, 9:15am He's so nice we picked him twice! ;D Actually, I had put him on my "picked" list, but somehow I didn't cross him off my "available" list. When I happened to scroll up and saw he was still there, I started checking around to see if he had been injured and I just hadn't heard! |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Tony_O on Jun 4th, 2005, 12:37pm I think with Pollard going to the Lions, Clark's numbers shoulf rise considerably. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by junkyardjake on Jun 4th, 2005, 1:34pm btw, As far as publishing the mock draft on junkyardjake.com (Top 150 'Man on the Street' Poll'), I think I want to try something different this year. What I'd like to do is not only use the mock drafts that appear here, but also provide a compliation of rankings from various other sites. For example, something like this: http://www.fantasysportscentral.com/football/cheatsheet.asp Where we could calculate a consensus ranking that more or less accurately reflects the drafting sentiment this season. I would still provide a link back to the Gridiron, because you guys really helped create the initial idea (and run the most organized mock drafts I've seen yet), but I think this would be a cool way to go with this, thoughts? Also, if you guys can suggest any sites you like that have rankings you have used in the past, that would be helpful. (Also, I don't want to use mock drafts from other sites, just the official rankings, only the Gridiron mock drafts will be used). |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 5th, 2005, 12:12pm on 06/04/05 at 12:37:19, Tony_O wrote:
AGREED, T_O! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] I thought the Clark pick was fantastic! |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 5th, 2005, 5:53pm I think Kennison at 99 is a good pick, Steg. Especially with Parker in the mix. Good AFC West choice. There should be a whole lotta scoring out there in 2005. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 5th, 2005, 9:06pm Guys, I have to admit... Jake Delhomme going after two kickers TOTALLY "disrespects" the "rankings" aspect of this I made reference to in an earlier post TOO MUCH in favor of the "mock draft" aspect. In the next ones we do here, we got to remember this is NOT just another mock draft: it is supposed to be a hybrid of both a mock draft and "rankings" and, thus, somewhat innovative or at least unique. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 6th, 2005, 8:20pm If the Jags go to the vertical game as they say they will, Leftwich could be greatly improved this season. Byron has the talent, and the system has held him back. Leftwich at 105 could be way under-valued. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 6th, 2005, 8:28pm By the way, everybody, I think at this point in the show we can start just single "leap-frogging", i.e. just letting one person go before picking again, so as to keep this thing going (as far out as possible... at least to 150). |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 6th, 2005, 8:56pm SF RB Frank Gore was a great pick! |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 6th, 2005, 9:17pm [smiley=bow.gif] ... [smiley=secret.gif] ... I still think Kurt could put up some numbers down in the desert, making him a viable fantasy option. Boldin, Fitzgerald, Johnson and Arrington coming out of the backfield just might bring back a little bit of the days of old for Warner. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 6th, 2005, 9:25pm Nice pick, Callie, with Jones! With Jimmy gettin' up there in age and Reggie having had fallen out of favor (at least at one time), the physically-gifted specimen known as Matt Jones is going to get some PT this year and could become the heir apparent to Smith. Regarding Stephen Davis, the guy looked good up until his injury last year. I think he could very well get the call out of the gate if he is healthy. And, mind you, Foster has his own history of injuries. But, in any event, make no mistakes... one more injury and Davis is done... at least as a fantasy-viable RB. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 7th, 2005, 9:38am I'm going to pat myself on the back with the Buckhalter pick at 123. He's a huge value there. Even if BWB stays healthy, Buck will get plenty of work and the bulk of the goal-line carries. And then there's the risk of injury for BWB - which is fairly high given his track record. Sure, Buck has his own injury issues, but he's been very solid in minicamps and hasn't had any setbacks - in fact, he says that his legs feel stronger than they ever have. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by junkyardjake on Jun 7th, 2005, 12:37pm Wow, absolutely no love for Marshall Faulk, who is supposed to spilt carries with Jackson 50-50. (Not that I actually believe that will happen.) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Tony_O on Jun 7th, 2005, 1:24pm on 06/05/05 at 21:06:41, StegRock wrote:
In response, I would think that this being an accurate "ranking" would be a stretch at this point. There will be many kickers that have more fantasy value than some of the rookies you picked. It is more of a "disrespect" that Mcnair went at 127, who is a much better QB than Delhomme. However, I think this a good tool to see where others value certain players. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 7th, 2005, 1:46pm on 06/07/05 at 13:24:13, Tony_O wrote:
And, who took McNair? ;) Anyway, I respectfully disagree with you regarding McNair's being more fantasy-valuable than Delhomme. All in all, because of the "mock draft" mindset this time around, I think that QB's were overly undervalued overall, which has skewed this list quite dramatically. I even got caught up in the trend after being one of the few guys taking QB's early on. :-[ |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Callie on Jun 7th, 2005, 6:27pm McNair may be a good QB and an impressive warrior, but he lost a lot of talent on his team, and then there's his O line.... I see Jake having a better year. As for my picks of Blaylock and Lloyd, I see both of them getting mucho mas chances this year. Blaylock is Jordan with a lot more touches (Martin can't keep it up forever), and Lloyd is now the go-to guy with an improved team. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Tony_O on Jun 7th, 2005, 8:08pm Moore could be a big sleeper with Bennett's fragile history! |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 8th, 2005, 4:00pm Regarding our last pick of this "huddle" (?) #150, I think it won't be long before Garcia, now reunited with his old coach Steve Mariucci, is starting over Harrington, and if he is, he will make the most out of the variety of vast weapons at his disposal, the two Williamses, Rogers and Jones. [smiley=yes.gif] |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 8th, 2005, 5:06pm on 06/08/05 at 16:00:55, StegRock wrote:
That's a crapshoot, if you ask me. Harrington has done reasonably well considering the weapons he's had to work with (not much until last season) and three different offensive coordinators in his four years. With so many solid starting QBs still available, I'm surprised you'd value an aging back-up at this point. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 8th, 2005, 7:36pm on 06/08/05 at 17:06:49, Philly wrote:
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by Philly on Jun 8th, 2005, 9:23pm OK... "so many" was an exaggeration. I missed the fact that David Carr was selected earlier and thought he was still available. Still, I'd take Drew Bledsoe ahead of Garcia. He has an improved offensive line in Dallas, a solid running game, and a very good TE. The receivers are nothing to write home about, but KJ, QM, TG will be good enough to get the job done. I'd also take Kyle Boller. Despite the criticism, he played fairly well last year without Jonathan Ogden and Todd Heap in the lineup and now has better WRs and a healthy Heap back in tow. So there are at least two starters I'd take. (I wouldn't take any of the others - Grossman, Rattay/Smith, Dilfer, Feeley, Ramsey - over Garcia though. I'd have to think hard about Volek.) |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by StegRock on Jun 9th, 2005, 12:00pm Fair enough, Phil! I thought about them too (and surely could easily justify taking either of them over Garcia). I just thought I should go with an "original" pick (about which I had a more "thought-about" take that I could put up for discussion) over a boring one at 150. |
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Title: Re: "Huddle" Mock Draft Commentary... Post by junkyardjake on Jun 9th, 2005, 1:13pm Quote:
I might also consider taking Gus Frerotte over Garcia, he might not be so bad if he ends up starting in Miami and has Chambers and Boston to throw to. In any event, picking Garcia at #150 made infinitely more sense than picking Plummer at #25. [smiley=ohshit.gif] |
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