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(Message started by: StegRock on Sep 3^rd, 2003, 11:44pm)

Title: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Sep 3^rd, 2003, 11:44pm

Even as admin of the site, I wasn't sure exactly where to post this, so I decided to post it "downstream" here on "the Sidelines". Anyway, moving right along,... I just wanted to let you all know that the blue "GBRFL Leagues" button on the upper right-hand side of the screen now links to a "GBRFL portal" page, which links to both the GBRFL and GBRFL2 web sites. [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on May 30^th, 2005, 6:04pm

Could running GBRFL-style leagues en masse be just on the horizon? Wifey-poo, with whom I've been recently reunited (as many of you know), is right at this moment beginning her work on (automating) the very complex GBRFL spreadsheet program. She is doing exactly what I want done and it should put us in a position to run GBRFL-style leagues this year! Also, with what bgsgfan a.k.a. Jeremy did with the CBFL spreadsheet program last year, running CBFL-style leagues should also be able to be tackled this year! For various reasons, I probably will only want to dip my toes in the water in '05 and look to run just a few of each. Do start spreading the word, though! When I do announce what I am going to do, it will be first come first serve! Also, I have not yet decided what to charge and/or if monetary winnings are the direction I should go in. Please feel free to share your thoughts on this. Generally speaking, I am thinking that the fee for playing in CBFL leagues should be on the cheap side while the charge for playing in a GBRFL league, given the system's uniqueness and complexity, should be on the spendy side. Those in the know, PLEASE share your thoughts!

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on May 30^th, 2005, 11:29pm

Well....it seems to me that I JUST made the cut in CBFL. So the only question is....what do do I do, and where do I do it?

?.?.? ?.?.? ?.?.? ?.?.?

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on May 31^st, 2005, 9:26am

I can really see a mass-market for the CBFL. It's easy to do, runs on the rules most people know, and it's very low-maintenance during the busiest times of the football season. I think people love to mock draft and sometimes join a free yahoo league just for the draft experience (I know, I've done it and seen others do it only to ignore their teams the rest of the season).

I see less of a market for the GBRFL-style game. I think there is one, just not the mass market that would exist for the CBFL game. Plus there would be the issue of owner-turnover in the off-season that would create issues. While there could be the same turnover in the CBFL, I don't think it would matter as the leagues could easily bring in new blood whenever that happens with little (no) consequence.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on May 31^st, 2005, 2:09pm

on 05/30/05 at 18:04:29, StegRock wrote:

Also, I have not yet decided what to charge and/or if monetary winnings are the direction I should go in.

Thanks for the general feedback. Any thoughts on these specific issues?

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Tony_O on May 31^st, 2005, 3:43pm

I don't think I have ever seen a league that had a monatary fee without having a monatery prize, so, if you were going to charge to play then you would have to maybe pay 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place depending on the league size. Considering this would be a capitol seeking venture, you would have to determine what percentage of the league fees would be allocated as "administrative fees" and then let the rest of the pot be broken down to the winners. With all of the free leagues that are available, I'm pretty sure nobody would pay to play without atleast having the opportunity to win their money back. In reference to Philly's coments. the GBRFL leagues would not be keeper leagues I would imagine. I do think the different scoring format would be desirable to hardcore FF players.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on May 31^st, 2005, 5:01pm

Since the CBFL league is sort of a glorified mock draft (i.e., nothing for the owner to do once the team is drafted), I don't think you could charge a whole lot for it. I could see charging a $10 entry fee for a 12-team league. Then you could give the winner $80 and the rest ($40) would go to the site. As an added bonus, maybe the first/second/third place finishers would only have to pay $5 entry the following year...?

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on May 31^st, 2005, 5:29pm

I would love to play in the system Philly suggested, but some people may prefer to play in a fun & free game. One possibility is two separate games. People could play in a money league or play in a free league, both available. The benefit would be more eyes on the site and a possible feeder system where players in the free game would like it and move into the money game at a later date.

Just a suggestion.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on May 31^st, 2005, 7:01pm

Guys, am I losing it? Don't CBS Sportsline and ESPN charge for running leagues???

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on May 31^st, 2005, 7:03pm

Maybe we're not clear on your original question, Steg.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on May 31^st, 2005, 7:08pm

on 05/31/05 at 19:01:00, StegRock wrote:

Guys, am I losing it? Don't CBS Sportsline and ESPN charge for running leagues???

Well, what about the answer to this question? It's pretty straightforward, no?

Bottom line, I have gleaned some useful information and ideas from the responses, thus far. Now I want the answer to this question (if anybody knows and can save me the trip to find out).

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on May 31^st, 2005, 7:17pm

Sure they do. A lot of places charge, some do it for free, some have both.

We're on your side.

I was just concerned that some guys might drop out if the charge didn't work for them at the moment.

If you like, I can rat around the web and get ya some stats on what the going rates are. :)

Let me know if you want a survey.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by DirkDiggler on May 31^st, 2005, 8:53pm

on 05/31/05 at 19:08:13, StegRock wrote:

Yes, CBS Charges. They charge $120 for a league(up to 20 teams). So that is an average of around $12 per team. OR you can buy an individual team for $10 with each additional team for $7.95. OR you can join one of their money leagues. $30 for a team. A little more than half of that is paid out in prize money.....

ESPN charges $100 per league(up to 20 teams) or 3 teams for $40 or 1 team for $25.

So yes, lots of demand and money to be made. There is a VERY nominal prize for first place in NON money leagues.(T-Shirt)

Is Gino making it so pick up and dropping of players is automated? I would foresee the rules of trading picks having to be simplified, but the concept and scoring being a hit.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on May 31^st, 2005, 9:08pm

You're the Mack, Double D.

I learn from my mistakes.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on May 31^st, 2005, 9:48pm

My money league is a SI.com league (which is run by CBS Sportsline). It costs $120 a year (we have 12 teams) and each of us kicks in $60. All of the money (after the league fee) goes back to the top 4 finishers in the league. SI.com/CBS doesn't return any of that money to the players.

If you're suggesting, Steg, that the leagues here run for a fee and do NOT return any money (which is what I think you're getting at since you're being extremely evasive) then you'll need to consider having a live-scoring engine, automated and feature-rich drafting, trading for GBRFL, etc. Those sites don't just run things off a sweet spreadsheet program. They are individualized to the max and offer a lot of bells and whistles that you won't be able to do from Excel.

If, however, your goal is to provide all the extras and the customization, then it would be perfectly appropriate to charge an exorbitant fee and not return anything.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on May 31^st, 2005, 9:50pm

Also, while ESPN and CBS and NFL.com, etc. charge for running leagues, Yahoo! does not. They have plenty of free leagues with options that I can't see us providing yet - but are supported with advertisements galore.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on May 31^st, 2005, 10:43pm

on 05/31/05 at 19:17:36, Callie wrote:

I was just concerned that some guys might drop out if the charge didn't work for them at the moment.

Let me first allay this concern. I will NOT charge any of the current members of the current feature leagues. It would, however, be nice if (as a group as I have suggested numerous times) people hit up that donation link a little more often... or at least get off the shnide and hit it once. Anyway, the bottom line is that the bottom line for those leagues will remain 0, everybody's favorite number when it comes to the keeping-it-real ma-and-pa shops of fantasy football vis-a-vis the Walmarts of fantasy football, which brings me to the next point...

on 05/31/05 at 21:48:38, Philly wrote:

If you're suggesting, Steg, that the leagues here run for a fee and do NOT return any money (which is what I think you're getting at since you're being extremely evasive) then you'll need to consider having a live-scoring engine, automated and feature-rich drafting, trading for GBRFL, etc. Those sites don't just run things off a sweet spreadsheet program. They are individualized to the max and offer a lot of bells and whistles that you won't be able to do from Excel.

Jeff, you know as well as anyone else that I am NOT going to be able to provide anything technologically comparable to what the Walmarts do, as you thoroughly detail above, this year, not even close. That's going to require the hiring of real computer programmers, which requires profit (over and above that which I would like to share with guys like you who have been so instrumental in the success of this site), which I have yet to even come close to making (by way of donations, t-shirt sales or "the Gridiron Store") while site costs (WHICH, MIND YOU, ARE BEARING DOWN ON ME, i.e. STRESSING ME OUT, PRETTY HARDCORE RIGHT NOW AS PER THE THREADS ON "the Sidelines") continue to increase. As such, I take a bit of an exception with the (matter-of-fact tendentious) tone of your post (hell, I'm trying to see what I can do to cut you a check a.s.a.p.).

Walmart-level of technology aside, WHAT I CAN DO, however, is offer fun, unique leagues AT A FRACTION of those fees, including the provision of phat league web sites and a cool (featured) league message board here on "the Gridiron". I'm talking more like $25 (CBFL end) to $60 (GBRFL end) PER LEAGUE with site t-shirts and such as prizes (now, granted, I did not make this explicit; but, on the other hand, why would there be apparent assumptions/intimations that I want to charge the exorbitant fees that the big boys do and then the logically consequent comparisons to what the big boys provide (I know my limitations (all too well))? ... I was merely conducting "market research", with a home crowd no less, which requires not showing your hand if you want unadulterated feedback). Also, and this aspect cannot just be tacitly dismissed, part of what's being sold here, especially with the GBRFL-style leagues, is the unique system itself and the creativity with which I am somewhat known to go about things.

In short, I mean... Is what I have done for you guys with the GBRFL2 not worth anything?

on 05/31/05 at 20:53:21, DirkDiggler wrote:

Is Gino making it so pick up and dropping of players is automated?

No, DD, that's probably not going to happen this year. That's going to require a ton of web work as well, which I will not have time for this summer (who'd a thunk?). The main thing she is doing is picking up where Jeremy left off and getting the inputting of the stats in the sheets automated. Getting away from the cutting and pasting of stats is the biggest hurdle when it comes to running the leagues. In accordance with what I said above about how many GBRFL-style leagues I would be looking at running this year, manually doing the transactions for five or so leagues would not be that big of a burden (especially with having Gino helping me with that).

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on Jun 1^st, 2005, 9:55am

Quote:

As such, I take a bit of an exception with the (matter-of-fact tendentious) tone of your post (hell, I'm trying to see what I can do to cut you a check a.s.a.p.).

I think maybe you're misinterpreting the tone of my post, Steg. You were very vague in your questioning and seemed irked when the suggestions didn't fit your preconceived ideas.

I'm trying to be a realist here and maybe soften the blow a bit when your ideas don't mesh with reality. I don't think people will pay $25 for a CBFL team. At least that's my opinion. I don't want to pay $25 for a team which, once drafted, could see the studs get hurt and leave me with nothing to do to recover. For $25 I'd hope there would be the opportunity to be more involved during the season. We have a CBFL board and website here already and you see how much (or how little) discussion it brings during the season. Sure, there's some lively banter immediately following the draft, but that's about it.

Was I being matter-of-fact? Yes. Tendentious? Only in your interpretation. I appreciate the fact that you are working hard to give something back to the people who have helped you along the way. I know I am one of those people. But I'm not asking for a check. I'm not even holding out until I get one. Heck, I even click the donate button when I can - which, admittedly, isn't often.

Quote:

In short, I mean... Is what I have done for you guys with the GBRFL2 not worth anything?

Sure it is. Do you feel that I am devaluing the work you do with the GBRFL2?

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 1^st, 2005, 12:19pm

The spirit of your post is more than fair enough, Phil. [smiley=yes.gif] BUT, you missed one detail ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to your point...

on 06/01/05 at 09:55:39, Philly wrote:

$25 for a CBFL team.

I said PER LEAGUE, bro! We're talkin' like $2 a guy...

...

Anyway, the point about the "cuttin' the check" stuff is really more about my not wanting to lose you. While I NEVER want to hold you back from other opportunities that may come your way (with your work here functioning as a portfolio of sorts), I will never get to the fantasy-football employment paradise I envision if I am/"the Gridiron @FantasyFootballer.com" is just a stepping stone for dudes.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Tony_O on Jun 1^st, 2005, 5:38pm

on 05/31/05 at 22:43:23, StegRock wrote:

which I have yet to even come close to making (by way of donations, t-shirt sales or "the Gridiron Store") while site costs (WHICH, MIND YOU, ARE BEARING DOWN ON ME, i.e. STRESSING ME OUT, PRETTY HARDCORE RIGHT NOW AS PER THE THREADS ON "the Sidelines") continue to increase.

I tried to donate $50 on 5/17/05 and have yet to see a deduction from my account or any acknowledgement here on the site. Let me know if there was a problem with my account number!

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on Jun 1^st, 2005, 5:49pm

We are aggressively paying down our credit cards. To be DEBT FREE!!! (Sunday afternoon radio talk shows joke) So we try to do everything we can by cash, check or money order.

I used to pony up by sending things to your pre-grad school days address. Now I'm obviously out of that particular option.

Do you have a post office box you could post to help us out?

Heck, some guys might like to help (even if it's just five bucks) but just don't have a route by which to do it.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 1^st, 2005, 6:57pm

on 06/01/05 at 17:38:21, Tony_O wrote:

I tried to donate $50 on 5/17/05 and have yet to see a deduction from my account or any acknowledgement here on the site. Let me know if there was a problem with my account number!

Tony, thanks for notifying me of this. I looked into it immediately and the "sendmail" part for the credit card form (as well as for most of the forms over at theEnglishMaster.com) was not working. You may have noticed, Tony, that you did not receive a confirmation e-mail for your donation form submission. That's a clue that things were going awry. Even though things looked like they were working right on the front end to the user immediately after clicking the submit button, I was not receiving the e-mail notification of the donation (and neither was the submitter). ... God, I hope I did not miss any other donations or, moreover, orders over at theEnglishMaster.com. [smiley=nervous.gif]

Guys, if you ever pick something like this off, let me know. If you do something where it says that you should be receiving a confirmation e-mail and don't within like 10 minutes, something is probably wrong. Let me know!

Tony, thanks for stepping up, bro. The system is up and running fine now, so if you want to give it another try, (subliminal message... [smiley=yes.gif]) ;) please, by all means, do so, bro.

on 06/01/05 at 17:49:00, Callie wrote:

Do you have a post office box you could post to help us out?

Continue to use the New Jersey e-mail address for mail-in donations at this point. If you need that address, do what it says to do on the donations page (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/donate.htm), i.e. e-mail me at "thegridiron@fantasyfootballer.com", or send me a private message here on "the Gridiron". Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif]

...

Now, any other thoughts on what I proposed above regarding the leagues, e.g. 2 bucks per guy for a CBFL-style league?

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by junkyardjake on Jun 3^rd, 2005, 5:23pm

Quote:

Now, any other thoughts on what I proposed above regarding the leagues, e.g. 2 bucks per guy for a CBFL-style league?

I think you should definitely do that. Of course, I am sure you are fully aware that there is competition up the yippy-yang, but it sounds like you would appeal to the casual fantasy participant, and that generally seems like a market that is ignored, at least in a $2 price range (or $5-$6 range for the crazy GBRFL thing, which I guess would appeal to the casual fantasy participant who is smart enough to figure it out).

It seems most of the leagues/contests that pop up around the internet every year attempt to appeal to the 'Win $50,000 by guessing which mouthpiece Duante Culpepper wears this week' crowd. Maybe your niche would be the Yahoo/Sporstline/Fanball market, but at a significantly lower price.

Some suggestions:

1) I would eventually try to stop paying for those NewsKnowledge clowns. For one thing, you have no idea when they will decide to disappear into obvilion. Secondly, they truly don't do anything you can't do yourself. For example, I noticed that many of the stories on there are originated from SI.com. SI.com actually provides their news stories free of charge via XML file, here is that file:
http://rss.cnn.com/rss/si_nfl.rss
There are newsreaders that allow you to read that file and convert it into your particular format, which is all that NewsKnucklehead is actually doing.

2) It will probably be difficult to sell 12 person leagues (12 people can't agree on anything, look what happened in the OJ trial), but you have the perfect medium to allow for the creation of leagues out of a group of single participants. IMO, your focus might be selling single league entries, and then grouping them randomly into leagues.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 4^th, 2005, 10:17am

I am with you, JYJ, on just about all you wrote. Thanks for the thought you put into this and the according thoughtful (i.e. thought-filled) advise! [smiley=bow.gif] I deviate only when it comes to the following...

on 06/03/05 at 17:23:51, junkyardjake wrote:

1) I would eventually try to stop paying for those NewsKnowledge clowns. For one thing, you have no idea when they will decide to disappear into obvilion. Secondly, they truly don't do anything you can't do yourself. For example, I noticed that many of the stories on there are originated from SI.com. SI.com actually provides their news stories free of charge via XML file, here is that file:
http://rss.cnn.com/rss/si_nfl.rss
There are newsreaders that allow you to read that file and convert it into your particular format, which is all that NewsKnucklehead is actually doing.

Firstly, right at this very moment on "The REAL Feed" there are nine sources. There are actually many, many more with whom I am linked through them that don't happen to be up there at this very moment. Now, I do agree with you that this is something I can (opt to) do myself... eventually. Yes, CNN/SI and ESPN (and perhaps others) offer their feeds for free as you describe, but I don't feel all too comfortable using them (even though people do). They are supposed to only be for personal web sites that don't generate revenue, no less full-fledged businesses which is where I want FantasyFootballer.com to go (and don't want the hassle of building something I took hours, perhaps days or weeks, building only to have to inevitably tear it down and have to go back to a provider like NewsKnowledge, with whom I currently have a great permanent deal, which, right now, isn't that great because I don't make squat, but you can't go forsaking the bigger picture for the smaller one). Also, it's one thing to configure a news feed just for CNN/SI or ESPN, but I am sure a whole nother creating a combination feed combining various sources, and to be totally frank, I think having a "big-boy" single-source feed, whether it is just CNN/SI or ESPN, is cheese. If all I were to provide is that, I would think I am better off not bothering people with that BS which can be gotten more thoroughly and in context by just providing a link to, e.g., CNN/SI's NFL page. I just got to be honest, I think sites which are biggish or endeavor to "grow big" and use such personal web site features are being cheesy... and thinking small. Seeing that kind of thing just gives off a personal home page type of feel (to me at least). Lastly, NewsKnowledge is growing, not at all receding: they have recently updated their site with new features and a new look and, more importantly, have added MANY sources over the two-plus years I have been with them. Also, I have established a good working relationship with them and if we ever get to the point where we provide significant original content, they are very open to adding US to their news source-base. That's something that only comes with establishing good, friendly business relations over time and I think it is for my long-term benefit to maintain this relationship. Now, on the other hand, in the long, long run, when I can hire real computer programmers to create extensive combination feeds, that's another bridge I will be willing to cross at that time.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by junkyardjake on Jun 4^th, 2005, 1:09pm

I agree that a combination feed is cool, but I can't imagine that it would be all that difficult to program. Of course, that's easy for me to say, we both know this website shit is very time-consuming, and there are some things that just aren't worth trying to do yourself. I guess it would involve reading in multiple XML files and filtering out duplicate stuff in some fashion. I can tell you it took me many hours to figure out the news aggregator stuff, but once you have it running (on your own server, third-party involvement seems to cause more headaches), it's pretty maintenance-free.

But that's really my point about Newsknowledge, I can't imagine how viable they will be in the future as more website operators figure this stuff out. To the extent that even small websites can develop sophisticated end-user formats of raw news feeds, it will make a service like theirs more and more obsolete. [smiley=twocents.gif]

I personally don't mind the single-source format myself, I guess because I get all my news off Yahoo and it's always been arranged that way. Obviously, a good single-source, or maybe two good sources will cover almost everything you need to know (as everyone kind of reports on the same big stories with only minor variations). Actually, there is even a simple way to convert a Yahoo search into a news item list, that seems to be the simplest way to create a multiple source news list.

http://news.yahoo.com/rss
(Scroll down to 'Create your own RSS news feeds', where you can type in a any search term to create a custom XML file)

As far as the issue of conflict with the personal/business context, I wouldn't worry about that. CNN/SI, Yahoo, Sportsline and ESPN want you to use their stories, because it generates traffic back to their respective sites. If there was strict syndication, I guess you could somehow economically misappropriate public news stories, but obviously they give it away free for a reason; it's in their interest to do so. (And anyone stupid enough to pay for free news stories probably deserves to be parted from their money). [smiley=smileytrash.gif]

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 5^th, 2005, 12:02pm

:-/ ... [smiley=silence.gif]

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on Jun 6^th, 2005, 9:06am

The prices sound right per league, but will there be an option for people who want to join a public league as an individual team?

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 7^th, 2005, 12:43am

For sure, Phil! I would probably do $25 per FULL league of 12 guys and $3 per individual/for individuals (needing to be placed in a league... i.e., if 10 guys came together wanting a league, but needing two more guys, they'd pay the "per individual" rate and be looking at paying $30 and I'd find them the two more guys they need).

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by junkyardjake on Jun 7^th, 2005, 7:45am

Steg, one thing I have noticed about the 'Real Feed' that does give it an advantage over something that could be programmed yourself, is the way it integrates specific NFL stories from regional newspapers like the Miami Herald and the Washington Post.

To read in and filter out just the NFL stories from those respective XML sources would be difficult in a homemade solution. (In reference to Newsknowledge, this does create a bit of a value proposition).

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Tony_O on Jun 8^th, 2005, 7:09pm

on 06/01/05 at 18:57:57, StegRock wrote:

Guys, if you ever pick something like this off, let me know. If you do something where it says that you should be receiving a confirmation e-mail and don't within like 10 minutes, something is probably wrong. Let me know!

Tony, thanks for stepping up, bro. The system is up and running fine now, so if you want to give it another try, (subliminal message... [smiley=yes.gif]) ;) please, by all means, do so, bro.

I tried again last week, recieved the emails, but still havn't seen a deduction from my account!

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 8^th, 2005, 7:48pm

on 06/08/05 at 19:09:06, Tony_O wrote:

I tried again last week, recieved the emails, but still havn't seen a deduction from my account!

No, let's make that a double thumbs up... [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] Thanks, Tony! [smiley=bow.gif]

Anyway, (I'm sure there are) no worries (regarding the fact that your donation has not yet been processed), Tonester! If you got the automatic confirmation e-mail, we should be good to go. I have been at mom's in Jersey since Friday of last week. I cannot access my @FantasyFootballer.com e-mailboxes from here (long story... old computer). We are heading back to DC tonight. When I check my e-mail tomorrow (or perhaps late tonight), I am sure I will have your donation e-mail. If so (which it will be), I'll in all likelihood process the donation transaction tomorrow. Again, thanks a bunch, bro!

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Tony_O on Jun 8^th, 2005, 9:11pm

No problem! Thank you for a place where a fantasy hack like me can voice my opinions.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jun 9^th, 2005, 11:57am

on 06/08/05 at 21:11:07, Tony_O wrote:

No problem! Thank you for a place where a fantasy hack like me can voice my opinions.

You are welcome, [smiley=bow.gif] but you are not a hack at all.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on Jun 10^th, 2005, 7:05pm

on 05/31/05 at 09:26:43, Philly wrote:

I think people love to mock draft and sometimes join a free yahoo league just for the draft experience (I know, I've done it and seen others do it only to ignore their teams the rest of the season).

Ya know I luv ya, Philly. But I shoulda commented on this when I first read it. I've heard a lot of people complaining about this kind of thing. People join these leagues honestly wanting to play for the season. They are really PI**ed OFF when someone abandons a team in their league. Not cool. :( They're just trying to play, and there are a lot of free mocks all over the web.

I would recommend that everyone should think about how they would feel about it if this happened in a league they cared about. Heck, a lot of those guys are just kids trying to learn the game.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Philly on Jun 10^th, 2005, 10:06pm

We're getting off-topic a bit here, but I wanted to clarify what I meant. I meant I've joined those free leagues - primarily with the goal of the draft experience, but I always see the team through to the end and make trades and actively maintain the roster.

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by Callie on Jun 10^th, 2005, 10:14pm

I'm all apologies. And no more off topic stuff, promise. ;D

Title: Re: GBRFL and CBFL Leagues
Post by StegRock on Jul 28^th, 2005, 3:09pm

Based on LIFE's circumstances (yet again), it does not look like we'll be running GBRFL or CBFL pay leagues this year (as you guys probably already surmised). However, unlike in recent years, we did pass some fairly big rules at this year's "GBRFL Summer Meeting" that make for the addition of some further (reasonably aggressive, i.e. not over-the-top) unique, innovative aspects to our game that make the GBRFL system even that much more attractive. Those aspects have been added in summary form to the GBRFLeagues quick-info/pitch page. Check it out at:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfleagues.htm.