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Title: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 13th, 2005, 6:50pm On this, the very first post of this thread, I will maintain position-by-position cheatsheets. This will also act as our commentary thread. Don't put comments on the picks thread on the CBFL board! Put them here! Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif] Cheatsheets (To view the actual draft, go to: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=54;action=display;num=1121294966.) QB's 1. Peyton Manning - Colts 2. Daunte Culpepper - Vikings 3. Donovan McNabb - Eagles 4. Marc Bulger - Rams 5. Kerry Collins - Raiders 6. Tom Brady - Patriots 7. Michael Vick - Falcons 8. Trent Green - Chiefs 9. Brett Favre - Packers 10. Jake Plummer - Broncos 11. Carson Palmer - Bengals 12. Jake Delhomme - Panthers 13. Chad Pennington - Jets 14. Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks 15. Aaron Brooks - Saints 16. Drew Brees - Chargers 17. David Carr - Texans 18. Brian Griese - Buccaneers 19. Byron Leftwich - Jaguars 20. Eli Manning - Giants 21. Kurt Warner - Cardinals 22. Steve McNair - Titans 23. Joey Harrington - Lions 24. Jeff Garcia - Lions 25. Kyle Boller - Ravens 26. Drew Bledsoe - Cowboys 27. Ben Roethlisberger - Steelers 28. Rex Grossman - Bears 29. J.P. Losman - Bills 30. Trent Dilfer - Browns RB's 1. LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers 2. Edgerrin James - Colts 3. Priest Holmes - Chiefs 4. Jamal Lewis - Ravens 5. Shaun Alexander - Seahawks 6. Deuce McAllister - Saints 7. Willis McGahee - Bills 8. Domanick Davis - Texans 9. Corey Dillon - Patriots 10. Kevin Jones - Lions 11. Tiki Barber - Giants 12. Julius Jones - Cowboys 13. Rudi Johnson - Bengals 14. Curtis Martin - Jets 15. Clinton Portis - Redskins 16. Ahman Green - Packers 17. Lamont Jordan - Raiders 18. Steven Jackson - Rams 19. Brian Westbrook - Eagles 20. Carnell Williams - Buccaneers 21. Chris Brown - Titans 22. J.J. Arington - Cardinals 23. Lee Suggs - Browns 24. Tatum Bell - Denver 25. Michael Bennett - Vikings 26. Warrick Dunn - Falcons 27. Kevin Barlow - 49ers 28. Ronnie Brown - Dolphins 29. Deshaun Foster - Panthers 30. Larry Johnson - Chiefs 31. Cedric Benson - Bears 32. T.J. Duckett - Falcons 33. Travis Henry - Bills 34. Fred Taylor - Jaguars 35. Duce Staley- Steelers 36. Jerome Bettis - Steelers 37. Marshall Faulk - Rams 38. Michael Pittman - Buccaneers 39. Ricky Williams - Dolphins 40. Thomas Jones - Bears 41. Reuben Droughns - Browns 42. Correll Buckhalter - Eagles 43. Mewelde Moore - Vikings 44. LaBrandon Toefield - Jaguars 45. Derrick Blaylock - Jets 46. Eric Shelton - Panthers 47. Chester Taylor - Ravens 48. Frank Gore - 49ers 49. Najeh Davenport - Packers 50. Maurice Clarrett - Broncos 51. Marcel Shipp - Cardinals 52. Mike Anderson - Broncos 53. Ron Dayne - Broncos 54. Dominic Rhodes - Colts WR's 1. Randy Moss - Raiders 2. Terrell Owens - Eagles 3. Torry Holt - Rams 4. Marvin Harrison - Colts 5. Chad Johnson - Bengals 6. Joe Horn - Saints 7. Andre Johnson - Texans 8. Javon Walker - Packers 9. Reggie Wayne- Colts 10. Anquan Boldin - Cardinals 11. Darrell Jackson - Seahawks 12. Hines Ward - Steelers 13. Steve Smith - Panthers 14. Michael Clayton - Buccaneers 15. Nate Burleson - Vikings 16. Ashley Lelie - Broncos 17. Roy Williams - Lions 18. Jimmy Smith - Jaguars 19. Jerry Porter - Raiders 20. Muhsin Muhammad - Bears 21. Drew Bennett - Titans 22. Isaac Bruce - Rams 23. Donald Driver - Packers 24. Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals 25. Laveranues Coles- Jets 26. Chris Chambers - Dolphins 27. Plaxico Burress - Giants 28. Deion Branch - Patriots 29. Derrick Mason - Ravens 30. Braylon Edwards - Browns 31. T.J. Houshmandzadeh - Bengals 32. Lee Evans - Bills 33. Rod Smith - Broncos 34. Eric Moulds - Bills 35. Eddie Kennison - Chiefs 36. Santana Moss - Redskins 37. Troy Williamson - Vikings 38. Donte Stallworth - Saints 39. Brandon Stokley - Colts 40. Keenan McCardell - Chargers 41. David Givens - Patriots 42. Brandon Lloyd - 49ers 43. Keary Colbert - Panthers 44. Keyshawn Johnson - Cowboys 45. Arnaz Battle - 49ers 46. Charles Rogers - Lions 47. Tyrone Calico - Titans 48. Amani Toomer - Giants TE's 1. Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs 2. Antonio Gates - Chargers 3. Jason Witten - Cowboys 4. Todd Heap - Ravens 5. Dallas Clark - Colts 6. Alge Crumpler - Falcons 7. Jeremy Shockey - Giants 8. Jeb Putzier - Broncos 9. Eric Johnson - 49ers 10. Jermaine Wiggins - Vikings 11. Randy McMichael - Dolphins 12. Chris Cooley - Redskins 13. L.J. Smith - Eagles 14. Heath Miller - Steelers 15. Ben Troupe - Titans 16. Marcus Pollard - Lions 17. Bubba Franks - Packers 18. Daniel Graham - Patriots 19. Doug Jolley - Jets 20. Boo Williams - Saints 21. Jerramy Stevens - Seahawks 22. Steve Heiden - Browns 23. Teyo Johnson - Raiders 24. Matt Schobel - Bengals PK's 1. Mike Vanderjagt - Colts 2. Adam Vinateri - Patriots 3. David Akers - Eagles 4. Jason Elam - Broncos 5. Shayne Graham - Bengals 6. Josh Brown - Seahawks 7. Jeff Wilkins - Rams 8. Matt Stover - Ravens 9. Sebastian Janikowski - Raiders 10. Mike Nugent - Jets 11. Lawrence Tynes - Chiefs 12. Ryan Longwell - Packers 13. Nate Kaeding - San Diego 14. Jeff Reed - Steelers 15. John Kasay - Panthers 16. Jason Hanson - Lions 17. Rian Lindell - Bills 18. John Carney - Saints 19. John Hall - Redskins 20. Josh Scobee - Jaguars 21. Neil Rackers - Cardinals 22. Phil Dawson - Browns 23. Jay Feely - Giants 24. Billy Cundiff - Cowboys D/ST's 1. Baltimore Ravens 2. Pittsburgh Steelers 3. Philadelphia Eagles 4. New England Patriots 5. Atlanta Falcons 6. Carolina Panthers 7. Buffalo Bills 8. Jacksonville Jaguars 9. Chicago Bears 10. Tampa Bay Buccanneers 11. Washington Redskins 12. Minnesota Vikings |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 13th, 2005, 8:34pm Pick 12. (Psssst. We're pole people again, Philly.) No prob. I think I can find 16 guys somewhere in the NFL. [smiley=ontheclock.gif] Welcome, rotoworldchris, Primetime and Dog (in the order you'll be drafting). So draft already, rwc. I woulda drafted by now. ;D |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 14th, 2005, 1:17pm CBFL Cheatsheets in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the current pick!!! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 14th, 2005, 2:43pm As much as I hate doing it, I had to leapfrog Captain Lou since his 3-hour window expired. I hope he gets in soon. But, ever onward. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 14th, 2005, 2:57pm ditto, C - Lou! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 14th, 2005, 3:07pm on 07/14/05 at 14:43:20, Philly wrote:
Now, vis-a-vis a post I just put up on the CBFL board, this, on the other hand, is without a doubt intra-league business, not really relevant to the league onlooker. Here is where you want to post stuff that fantasy footballers in general are interested in seeing, such as draft and player analysis, like the stuff currently buried down on the league board. :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 14th, 2005, 3:17pm McGahee just kept falling...and falling...could it be?...could he actually fall just a couple more slots? Actually fall to 1.12 ??? Nah. Nice pick-up, Philly. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 14th, 2005, 3:23pm Thanks Callie. I mentioned to BanrabyWilde at 1.06 that I wanted McGahee but there was no way he would fall to me. I don't know if the good Cap'n had him in mind at 1.09, but I would have gladly taken Corey Dillon at 1.10 if that happened. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 14th, 2005, 3:34pm Cheatsheets in the initial post of the thread above updated through the current pick! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 14th, 2005, 3:50pm I was taking Willis with the 1.09 Philly. Nice grab. Davis was my next pick but I missed him by a few minutes as well. Dillon sure beats getting a stick in the eye though. I am happy with him. In the second I felt confident that either Rudi or Curtis would be my number two. It would have been nice to land a youngster like Rudi, but again it was not in the cards. I have complete faith in Curtis Martin posting yet another fine season. I doubt that he will match the lofty 2004 numbers, but a top ten back in my opinion for 2005 just the same. My backfield is old and dependable. See ya in round three. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rotoworldchris on Jul 15th, 2005, 12:01am Talk about a nice long wait until 4.12..... I thought long and hard about how the format falls into place and dictates the picks. In the end LT2 was the surest thing. I thought about Holmes, McGahee and Peyton as well. I just figured it's easier to replace the QB later. I was surprised that 1-2 more WRs/QBs didn't fall before the 2.12/3.1 pick. I had hoped that somehow 1 of Jordan, Westbrook, Martin or S.Jax would fall but alas none of them did. I'm happy with CBrown except his bye is the same as LT2s but if he's healthy he's $. TO was a no-brainer. I expect him to be the #1 WR in the league this year. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2005, 12:50am The initial post of the thread has been updated through the latest pick! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rotoworldchris on Jul 15th, 2005, 7:11am Wowsa... ok this stalled out.. Anyway.. I'm crashing and will sleep in... If I'm up an dit's tuck on me feel free to call me 8187207186. Also my aol IM is Basler312... I might hear it ping.... |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 15th, 2005, 7:49am Welcome to day 2........I predict that the next 24 hours, if they fall the way I think, will be what drives me to be the next CBFL Champion!!!!! Feel free to take out your Bic and Mead to take some notes on my drafting style, as it may help you in future leagues!!!!! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 15th, 2005, 9:37am Go back to your kennel, dog. ;) Man, 2 spots in front of me and CJ and Marv still on the board. I figured they'd both go, but I was hoping one would fall to me. :) I went with JJ Arington as my 3rd RB. I think he'll put up some decent numbers. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 15th, 2005, 10:30am I'm a bit surprised that JJ Arrington went already. I thought he'd slide into the 4th round, where I would have considered him at 4.03. I'd still like to see Marcel Shipp get a shot at the starting job (he's just a good guy from a small school - UMass - that I feel hasn't really gotten a fair shake). But Shipp has an uphill battle ahead of him. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 15th, 2005, 11:51am Arrington never would have made it to you there, Philly. I was going to take him if he fell to me at the 3 / 4 pole. BTW, rotoworldchris. What do you mean you thought it would be easier to replace a QB later? No waivers and no trades in this league. (Frankly, I don't think you have a problem with that so far ;D) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rotoworldchris on Jul 15th, 2005, 1:43pm Callie... I meant that I felt that my lineup of LT2, RB, Top WR and then QB later would put up more points than Peyton, RB, RB, WR later.... I felt to get Peyton I was downgrading RB1 A TON and my WR1 a lot. But if I went, LT2, RB, Top WR then the drop from Peyton to that other QB is less costly for my team. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 15th, 2005, 2:19pm Not to mention that TD passes are only 4-pointers in this league. With that being the case, Manning at 1.03 seemed a bit premature. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 15th, 2005, 2:55pm Well watching McfNabb drop like a rock had me anticipating a possible steal late in the third. Great value pick up Chump. I was torn between Horn and Gonzo. I decided to take the clear advantage on at least ten teams by grabbing Gonzo. His production at the position is lights out, and I still think I can get a decent number one receiver to hang with a Horn and those thereafter. Happy to get Gonzo as a consolation prize at the 3.09. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 15th, 2005, 3:10pm I was laying for McNabb to keep falling, too. Woulda grabbed him as my next pick if I coulda. As for Gonzo, he was also on my next pick list. If I remember right, he was ranked as the 11th WR last season. (A little help at my 12 spot with double duty at TE / WR.) As far as Horn goes, I'm STILL not sure where I'd have taken him. The fact that they plan to be a run first team in '05 and the fact that they have a tough schedule made me dicey on exactly where to rank him. Fortunately, that decision is off my plate until the next draft. :P |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 15th, 2005, 3:22pm on 07/15/05 at 15:10:37, Callie wrote:
I admit that Horn was a tough decision. I knew I was going WR there and there were 3 I was considering. The entire league knows that the Saints are going to be a run-first team, so I'm sure that Horn will get plenty of chances - besides, there's still really no one else to get the receiving yards there. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 15th, 2005, 4:04pm Javon may be the riskiest pick in the whole **** draft. (Hope I didn't miss a news alert about him quitting the NFL to replace Leon in the commercials.) But at the 12 spot I figured I needed to take a few risks. Don't worry. I plan on picking up Rosenhaus in the 16th as a handcuff. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 15th, 2005, 4:06pm on 07/15/05 at 15:22:07, Philly wrote:
Yep... the other 2 went right after I picked. Andre Johnson and Javon Walker were the others I considered. Walker worries me slightly with his contract issues. I love Johnson and was hoping he'd slide to 4.03 as my #2 WR. I just think that Horn will put up slightly better numbers than Johnson. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 15th, 2005, 4:31pm I had Michael Bennett already typed into my roster as my selection at 4.03 and, of course, Tony takes him at 4.02. I thought Bennett wasn't on anyone's radar yet. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 15th, 2005, 4:37pm on 07/15/05 at 16:31:24, Philly wrote:
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 15th, 2005, 4:44pm Bulger may seem a little early at the 3 / 4 pole, but I won't be around again until pick 60. I wanted to grab a QB who would put up yards without a lot of INTs. (Marc is getting better about that. Honest... Really...) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 15th, 2005, 4:46pm on 07/15/05 at 16:31:24, Philly wrote:
I had Bennett on my radar too. As a matter of fact, I mentioned him in a conversation with Dolfan. However, I decided to go with Suggs. He is either going to be a total bust or a major coup. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 15th, 2005, 5:04pm Have seen quite a few receivers still on the board rated higher than Wayne. Of the three I was looking at for my 4.04, I think he clearly has the advantage in reaching 1200 yards and double digit scores. Simply has the best quarterback, and Marvin gets a ton of defensive attention. It took me a few minutes in order to crunch the numbers, and I really liked what he could offer my team in WRBC format. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 15th, 2005, 8:20pm Cheatsheets updated! Happy to be at your service! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 15th, 2005, 8:50pm I think that we have a real interesting draft going on here. It seams that players are being taken based on where ones pick happens to be and not by the usual consensus rankings. This really makes it a more challenging situation for many who are trying to calculate when to grab a certain player. Based on how this is unfolding, your guy just may not be there, and may very well go two rounds sooner than usual. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 15th, 2005, 11:34pm I agree. Very interesting draft! I'm really rolling the dice with my strategy. I'll either come up big or be on the outside looking in next year! Captain_Lou, nice pick with Gonzo. He was going to be my next pick... had to settle for Gates. >:( |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 16th, 2005, 1:28am I hate taking Larry Johnson at 5.04, but decided to be safe rather than sorry. A couple guys sitting there taunting me - I was lucky to see them this late and I couldn't pick them. Oh well, I knew that was the penalty for getting Holmes with the fourth overall pick. I tried so hard to convince myself that my draft strategy would work if i passed up Larry, but I couldn't do it. I was surprised to see Hines Ward at 4.08. There were three receivers I had ranked higher, but I couldn't pass Hines up. Thankfully D Jackson got taken the spot before me or I would have had a very agonizing decision between those two (I have DJax rated significantly higher than Ward, but I didn't really want him on my team). Anyone who has drafted several times with me probably knows that I will reach for my favorite current player in the NFL, Mr. Hines Ward. I also agree that this is a fun draft - no trading makes the picks much more erratic. Draft position is also more important in this format than others - position runs can and will KILL. Of course if your strategy is in opposition to the runs, you make out like a bandit. This reminds me of the capstone class in college "Business Policy". They had this stupid project where the class split into groups and each group ran an airline. The secret to outperforming everyone else was to take the opposite approach on each decision as compared to the rest of the groups. Of course, this was harder than it appears - especially when about half the class knew the "secret". A lot of politics and double-talk... it was actually a blast. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 16th, 2005, 8:39am Well.... at the 5.06 position I had no idea who to take. SO many directions to go. With Baltimore being taken, I think a run on Defs could happen. But in the end, I couldn't go with another D this early. So I decided to take a flyer on Michael Clayton. Over 1100 yards his rookie season! 7 TDs. And that was with a crappy QB. (which by the way they will have again this year) With his speed, I am hoping he can reproduce the same results this year. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 16th, 2005, 10:14am I'm purely gambling now. I don't think Vick is a bad pick at 5.08 but I know my logic will be questioned taking a second QB so soon. My view is that everything is now a risk at RB and there are a lot of WR's that are close in value. Vick is very inconsistent but I'm hoping to ride his high weeks. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2005, 12:15pm Cheatsheets in the initial post updated. [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 16th, 2005, 12:22pm Could not let Nate slide any lower. I think he will be just as productive as a D Jax type of receiver more than a round later. I think a very good value at the 5.09. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 16th, 2005, 2:17pm Wow, another tough call for me to make at my 6.04. So much talent on the board everywhere, but had to get a gamer at QB here IMO. I had to decide between at least three guys, and Green to me can control the picks while playing in a high octane offense. I may have given up a few scores, but at least the penalty for picks will be kept at a normal deduction from week to week. Having Gonzo also helped the process while trying to decide. A decent sixth round pick up. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 16th, 2005, 2:41pm on 07/16/05 at 08:39:21, DirkDiggler wrote:
Michael Clayton was my target pick at 5.10. His ADP was 5.11, so I knew I was gambling. I think I strengthened my WRs by getting Lelie and Porter in short order. I have to admit that I am surprised with the TE love in this draft. I expect to see Gonzo and Gates go in the 3rd/4th round range, and maybe Heap in the 5th somewhere, but to see Witten and Clark go this early was a major shock to me. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 16th, 2005, 2:52pm I agree. You can get much better value in rounds 7-10 at the TE position IMO. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 16th, 2005, 3:26pm I was actually deciding between Clark and Porter, good thing because then I would have robbed Philly again! The reason I went TE is because the drop off from position to position i.e. Qb to Qb, WR to WR , and TE to TE is much greater at TE in my opinion. Jim wait till the 10th round to get a TE and you will see the difference in production. As for Clark, look at his and Pollard's numbers together, 732 yards and 11 tds. I expect Clark to get close to those numbers by himself this year. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 16th, 2005, 4:22pm on 07/16/05 at 14:52:59, BarnabyWilde wrote:
Maybe I don't fully understand the rules with this being my first year in the league, but it seems the goal in drafting in this format is to get one of the top 3 guys at each position. You can then go "by committee" for your #2. In my opinion, the TE's are being undervalued in this draft. There are 3 or 4 true studs at TE who are going to give you good production week in and week out. (Gates, Gonzo, Wittin, and Heap should all be 900 yards and 6 to 8 TD's) After that there is a big drop off. It seems that it would be easier to go WRBC or RBBC then TEBC. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 16th, 2005, 4:35pm on 07/16/05 at 16:22:45, PrimeTime wrote:
My thoughts exactly. I realize it's best ball but it's hard to fault the "stud" theory based purely on point differentials. I learned a few lessons in my first year (last) year and I'm sure I learn a few more this year! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 16th, 2005, 4:44pm on 07/16/05 at 16:22:45, PrimeTime wrote:
I think you all forgot about Crumpler, who I am happy to get! Last years numbers, 774 yards, 6 TDs. I think he is easily going to repeat those numbers this year. I had Crumpler rated as the number 4 TE. There were many tempting receivers out there, but they are all about the same. They will be available by the time the draft winds itself back around...... |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 16th, 2005, 5:12pm on 07/16/05 at 16:44:46, DirkDiggler wrote:
Actually, I was surprised to see Clark and Heap selected before Crumpler. I had him rated in the top four as well. I was actually gonna nab Crumpler if he fell to me again. He's [smiley=money.gif]! Nice pick-up! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 16th, 2005, 5:12pm on 07/16/05 at 16:44:46, DirkDiggler wrote:
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2005, 7:26pm I don't know about this tight-ends' being undervalued contention. I think quarterbacks are. You guys are five and a half rounds in and 6 tight-ends have been drafted and ONLY 8 quarterbacks have been taken. That seems out-of-whack to me. :-X By the way, the cheatsheets in the initial post have been updated through the latest pick. [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 16th, 2005, 7:31pm Steg, Why didn't you wait to post that until AFTER my next pick! :-X |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 16th, 2005, 8:31pm It's all about the tiers, boys (and girls)... it's all about the tiers. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 16th, 2005, 8:47pm on 07/16/05 at 20:31:01, Philly wrote:
Isn't the theory about teirs that you should draft from the top tiers first? It looks like you started with the middle tiers ;D ;D ;) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DOLFAN on Jul 16th, 2005, 8:55pm Steg, thank you for updating the thread for this draft. I know I speak for all of us in saying this. You do so much for us, and I just wanted to let ya know. I took Manning a bit early to some of you, but I like him way too much. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 16th, 2005, 9:00pm Steg, I second Dolfan's comments. :) Dolfan, I don't think you took Manning too early. He is one of only a few "sure" things this year. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 16th, 2005, 10:12pm on 07/16/05 at 20:31:01, Philly wrote:
:'( [smiley=bawling.gif] We know, Phil... We know. [smiley=itllbeok.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 16th, 2005, 10:42pm on 07/16/05 at 20:47:18, PrimeTime wrote:
In my projections, I have Willis McGahee ranked as the #2 overall RB to LT2. They're both in the same tier on my cheat sheet. I got McGahee at 1.10, so I think I did OK there. Rudi Johnson gets no love, but he should. He's a steal at 2.03. Having to wait until 3.10 I missed out on all of the top tier WRs, but I had Joe Horn (and Javon Walker and Andre Johnson) in my second tier (a small tier). I knew I couldn't wait on them. I didn't plan on having 3 WRs this early, but when Lelie and Porter were the only guys left in my 3rd tier of WRs, I had to jump at them. Regardless of what you may think, I'm VERY happy with my draft so far. No one has a better 3-some of RBs (IMO) and I wouldn't be surprised if I have the best top 3 WRs when things are finished. As for the other positions, remember I waited until the 12th round for Antonio Gates last year, so I can find those diamonds late in the draft. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 16th, 2005, 10:44pm on 07/16/05 at 22:12:49, StegRock wrote:
Tears? I finished 4th in my inaugural campaign and 3rd last season. I see a bit of a trend there. I certainly haven't finished anywhere near the bottom three. ::) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 16th, 2005, 10:53pm Philly, thats what makes this fun. Everyone has different projections. I hope you know I was only joking around with you. ;) However, my tiers were slightly different. I had tier1 as follows: QB:Manning, Culpepper, McNabb RB: LT2, Alexander, Edge WR: Moss, Owens, Harrison, Holt TE: Gates, Gonzo, Witten As you can see using my tiers you did not get any top tier players. Tier rankings are in the eye of the beholder and obviously using your tiers you did better than using mine. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 16th, 2005, 11:02pm Really like the work you did at the corner Roto. Nice combo in Favre and Shockey. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 16th, 2005, 11:03pm I knew you were joking, but I still have the right to defend my drafting! ;D Top tiers: QB: (1: Manning)(2: Culpepper, McNabb) RB: (1: LT2, McGahee, Holmes, Alexander)(2: McAllister, Dillon, Rudi, Edge, Tiki) WR: (1: Owens, Holt, Harrison, RMoss)(2: Horn, Walker, AJohnson) TE: (1: Gonzo, Gates)(2: Heap, Witten)(3: ??????, Crumpler, Shockey) While you may have gotten a top tier player at each position (based on your tiers), I'm guessing that Ronnie Brown and Travis Henry aren't second-tier RBs at this point on your cheat sheet (and when you finally draft another WR, he'll be pretty low too). So, I'd rather have a pair of second tier guys than a 1st and 5th tier guy. I do have to credit you with the Eagles D pick. I have them ranked 3rd overall (top of my second tier). |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 17th, 2005, 1:18am With the scoring in this league, the Defenses are HUGE. You only get one of them and they account for a ton of points. When Jim picked up the Ravens at 5.05 (right after my 5.04 pick) I was dismayed that the rest of you might be jolted to your senses and I would lose out on a top D (specifically Pittsburgh - yeah I am a homer). You could not imagine my dismay... then my elation when not a single defense was taken until my 6.09 pick. At 7.04, I saw a couple sexier options, but I went with Plummer. I like him in general, and more so in a best ball format. The trickle down effect of needing to handcuff Larry Johnson to Priest Holmes is amazing. Theoretically, I knew what I was getting myself into, but actually dealing with it is a lot worse than I imagined. I am continuously passing up what I feel are undervalued players because I have to stay within my needs. My entire draft is handcuffed. If I sound like I am whining or making excuses, I apologize. The truth is I am having a blast and I am very excited about the potential of my team. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 17th, 2005, 2:23am [quote author=bgsgfan link=board=5 The trickle down effect of needing to handcuff Larry Johnson to Priest Holmes is amazing. Theoretically, I knew what I was getting myself into, but actually dealing with it is a lot worse than I imagined. I am continuously passing up what I feel are undervalued players because I have to stay within my needs. My entire draft is handcuffed. I hear what you are sayin, it is a load of fun. I tried something totally out of character in the June FFToday best ball mock. Out of the three slot, I went RB-QB-TE. Talk about a freakin chase mode for the entire draft. I managed to build a decent team that I would rate a B overall. It certainly made the draft interesting from my point of view. On the defense issue. I considered going that route at the 6.03, but I really wanted a quarterback capable of 4000 yard production and around twenty-five scores. There were a few teams up at the top who had not selected a QB, so I went that route instead. I am confident I can find a productive defense at the time of my choosing. Glad you got yours. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 17th, 2005, 8:06am Fock, fock, fock. I really was hoping when I woke up this morning I would be the proud owner of Jake Plumer at 7.05, but Jeremy grabbed him at 7.04. Well, I do think Palmer will have a breakout season. :) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 17th, 2005, 9:55am 7.06 came and their were a ton of great wider receivers to still be had. But what did I do? I took my 4th running back! I had to go with value. Who did I choose? Fred Taylor. Hell yea there a ton of injury questions around him, but taking him in the 7th round is a major friggin bargain. My RB corp has major questions with Alexander, Jordan, Suggs, and Taylor, but they all have MAJOR upside............ I just need two of them to pan out...... |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 17th, 2005, 11:15am on 07/17/05 at 01:18:29, bgsgfan wrote:
I agree. I almost took Pittsburgh at 6.05. It was an agonizing decision but I had to go with a RB with some upside and TD potential since it was only my 2nd RB. IMO, Atlanta at 7.08 is definitely a step down form the top defenses but I have them ranked relatively high despite mixed reviews by the "experts." |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 17th, 2005, 12:35pm Cheatsheets in the initial post hereof updated. ... Also, I will get on filling in the "Rosters" page over at the CBFL site (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/) soon,... tonight or tomorrow night. I apologize for the delay in that. :-[ |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 17th, 2005, 12:53pm I liked the Bills for picks and sacks, and I liked the Jags for points/yards allowed. Thanks, Tony O. You made my decision for me! ;D My TE pick was as much about TE's who I didn't want to risk taking as it was about who would score fantasy points. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 17th, 2005, 1:35pm I agree on the defenses. They can really nail you with a ton of negative points that can totally wreck an otherwise great draft. Normally I wait until later in the draft to get a defense figuring that I can always use a waiver claim or trade to improve if I get a bad one. As bgsgfan mentioned, in this format you only pick one and you cannot switch during the season. I was really looking to take Pittsburgh (who I had ranked #1 in this format), but bgsgfan beat me to them. I took Philadelphia over Buffalo only beacuse of JP Loseman. He is a rookie who may throw alot of INT's and some of those could be returned for TD's or set the other team up in good field position. Philadelphia seemed like a "safe" pick to me even though I took them early. Picking where I did, I figured it was Philadelphia with pick 7.02 or roll the dice with some lower level Defense later in the draft. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 17th, 2005, 1:42pm Well I am going to trake a gamble on defense. Some just do not live up to expectations, and with 8 off the board, the tier we are in now should be close enough for me to grab Coles at the 8.04. Never thought a 1000 plus projected receiver along with possible double didgit scores would land this late, but I felt he was too much of a bagain here. Love my receivers to this point anchored by Gonzales. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 17th, 2005, 1:46pm I agree Cap'n. Getting Coles here is a steal... However, you can only use two of the WR scores every week, but you must use your DEF score every week. This is where it gets tricky. Do you take a player for value knowing you will only use a handful of his scores all year or do you take a starting player where you will need to use their score every week?? That's what makes it so fun!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 17th, 2005, 1:53pm I here what you are saying, but what I can get now on defense can actually wait. The creme of the crop went in the top 5 or six IMO. After those teams, I see it as a crap shoot. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 17th, 2005, 1:56pm on 07/17/05 at 13:53:34, Captain_Lou wrote:
I'm with you on that one. With the top defenses off the board it really is a guessing game as to who will go next. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 17th, 2005, 2:41pm Cap'n Lou with 2 amazing value picks at this point in the draft, IMO. Duce Staley and Laveranues Coles were at the top of my board when I drafted Plummer, but I felt I had to get a QB. Kudos. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 17th, 2005, 3:02pm on 07/17/05 at 14:41:03, bgsgfan wrote:
Agreed. I would have taken Staley if he had fallen 3 spots further. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 17th, 2005, 3:36pm Thanks. My point is, that if quality value guys drop in my lap, I am gonna grab everyone I can get. A mid tier defense, or a kicker for that matter was not in my plan for a 7th or 8th round selection. I have seen both of these guys go in the 5th round recently, and they cost me a 7th and 8th. If guys want to let values fall, I am happy to put them on my team. So please keep taking defense and kickers everyone. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 17th, 2005, 3:48pm on 07/17/05 at 15:36:00, Captain_Lou wrote:
What he actually means by this show of sarcasm is, "I am going to try to influence everyone to stop drafting kickers and D's now so that I can get a value pick with them too." ;D Of course, maybe it kind of worked with me commenting on how undervalued Defenses were after I picked mine. I am not saying I didn't mean what I said, its just the timing that makes one wonder. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 17th, 2005, 4:49pm Actually, I have been pretty quiet most of this draft regarding draft selections other than my own. The timing of my comment was based purely on the compliments by you regarding my last two value picks. I probably should have just said thanks, and left it at that. But to be honest, there is no motive for waht I did say. I am enjoying this draft, and always love a challenge. I feel up to the task. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 18th, 2005, 9:26am My defense projections for this league are: 1) Carolina... 2) Baltimore... 3) Philadelphia... I knew I had no shot at the Ravens (they go earlier than I am willing to take a defense) and wasn't surprised to see Philadelphia or New England gone in the 7th. But when Pittsburgh (overrated in my opinion) went in the 6th and Atlanta (way overrated because of the yards they give up) went in the 7th I feared a little run on defenses (it happened) and had to grab my top pick before someone else did. I love the Panthers D in this format. They were decimated by injury in 2004, but are back and ready to go in 2005. Watch out! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 18th, 2005, 9:31am I felt that getting a decent second quarterback in this format was important, and Brees made it down to the 9.9. Even if he comes close to last season production, I would be very happy considering the late pick used to aquire him. Green and Brees should be a nice one two for my team. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 18th, 2005, 9:41am on 07/18/05 at 09:31:09, Captain_Lou wrote:
Very nice pick. I was set to take Brees at 9.10, but you got him 4 minutes before I did. I'm not at all unhappy with Carr, but Brees would have been my preference as a #2 guy to Delhomme. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 18th, 2005, 9:51am I'm glad I took Hasselbeck when I did. I agree you need two decent QB's due to chance of injury. I was torn between Hasselbeck and Brooks. Since I have Brooks in a few other leagues I thought I would take Hasselbeck. Hopefully he will rebound a little bit and give me top 15 production. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 18th, 2005, 10:17am Sounds like I grabbed Brooks at the right time. While I own him in almost every league I am in, he kills me. Very inconsistant. However, with that being said, he is definitely a home run guy. He will have massive point weeks, which in this league, is key! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 18th, 2005, 10:35am Brooks does have the better set of receivers. Nice pick up DD. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 18th, 2005, 1:07pm After taking a value QB at the 9.9, I thought for sure I would lose my target in Rod Smith. He has gone sixth round in drafts, and getting him in the 10th is amazing IMO. He is a typical 1000 plus and 7 score type of receiver who will play as my fourth. A real nice value this late. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 18th, 2005, 1:17pm There's plenty of good value still available - if you're looking. I had to adjust my draft plans again when I saw that Droughns was still available. He has an excellent shot at being the starter in Cleveland this year! Even if he doesn't start, he'll get carries, especially around the goal line and Lee Suggs doesn't have an exemplary history of health. Now I have four RBs on my roster, each of whom rushed for more than 1000 yards last season. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 18th, 2005, 1:44pm And I continue to troll, looking for a lucky break with RB's like Jones and Buckhalter.... :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 18th, 2005, 3:53pm on 07/18/05 at 13:17:38, Philly wrote:
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 18th, 2005, 4:09pm Philly - I am curious why you consider Pit overrated. Also, with the style of offense the Eagles play, they would have to have an incredibly dominant defense to be the second best in this format - do you really see that happening? I was considering Buckhalter as a 5th RB if he fell, instead he got picked about where he belonged (in comparison to the other RBs). I'm not seeing much value at this point - the picks have filled out my board so that the draft is about the way I figure it should be at this point. I only see one diamond, actually, and his ADP is a lot lower than my personal predictions. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2005, 4:41pm Cheatsheets in initial post updated. And, by the way, I might not be able to get to the "Rosters" page at the CBFL site tonight like I had said I would. :-[ As a matter of fact, at this point, I may just save doing that until the draft is all wrapped up. I hope you all are cool with that. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 18th, 2005, 4:55pm on 07/18/05 at 16:41:46, StegRock wrote:
That's fine with me Steg. We all appreciate the work you're already doing here. I imagine most of us have the team rosters written down or typed into a spreadsheet anyway (at least we better if we consider ourselves decent fantasy owners!). |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:22pm on 07/18/05 at 16:09:13, bgsgfan wrote:
I don't want to intimate that the Steelers don't have a good defense, they do. I guess what I meant was that I thought they went too early. I'm not sold on their DL. The 3-4 helps them stop the run, but it's really the LBs that do most of the work. I think, with more and more teams going to the 3-4 defense, more and more offensive coordinators are devising schemes to beat the 3-4. The Steelers do a good job of limiting points and yards, and that is key in this league. I'm just playing a hunch that they won't be as good (251 pts allowed and 4100 yards) as 2004. I don't think their offense will be as good (loss of Burress - Roethlisberger's go-to guy and another year of aging for Staley-Bettis) which means the defense will suffer a bit because of it. As for the Eagles, they too don't allow points (only 261 in 2004, and 38 of those came in week 17 when the Eagles played a bunch of reserves). Their starting lineup for 2005 is markedly improved over the 2004 lineup (which, admittedly, struggled at times in the early part of the season, especially against the run). Jeremiah Trotter will play a full season in the middle and Keith Adams played very well at the WILL at the end of the season. They have a healthy ND Kalu at DE (he's a great pass rusher) and Jerome McDougle is in a make-or-break year. Mike Patterson will have an immediate impact as part of the DT rotation. I think this year's defense looks a lot like the Eagles 2002 defense which produced 37 takeaways, 56 sacks, and only allowed 241 points and 4700 yards. The Eagles offense--with or (especially) without TO--will be able to run the ball more effectively in 2005 with Westbrook, a healthy Buckhalter, and rookie Ryan Moats -- this will help the defense. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 18th, 2005, 11:18pm was that pick a proxy for Dirk? 11.06 ? |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2005, 11:50pm I don't know what's up with the pick shit. [smiley=idontknow.gif] You guys are going to have to sort that out. ... BUT, I will let you all know that the "Rosters" page over at the CBFL site is updated through Round 10! [smiley=builder.gif] So, I did get around to it tonight after all. [smiley=awwgee.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 19th, 2005, 12:25am on 07/18/05 at 23:18:54, Captain_Lou wrote:
Nope, wasn't my pick. I went ahead and took my defense in the Tampa Bay Bucs. I figured they are the best of the lot left....... |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 19th, 2005, 4:53am I'm not really a fan of taking a kicker this early but.... [smiley=uh.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 19th, 2005, 8:08am You da man Steg! [smiley=headbanger.gif] on 07/18/05 at 23:50:48, StegRock wrote:
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 19th, 2005, 8:44am At 11.09 I felt that getting Blaylock to back up Martin was not a bad idea. Not an exciting pick, but one that could be useful at times during a long season. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 19th, 2005, 12:05pm I could haved typed that pick(smith) for you Jeff. I almost selected him just to keep him from you! :D :P |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 19th, 2005, 12:38pm Funny, I was taking LJ at the 11.09, but saw that Philly was in need of his boy. So I took Blaylock who made more sense to me anyway. Sorry about that thirty minute delay for my 12.04, The phone kept ringing. With age and bodily abuse creeping up on Ahman Green these days, I figured why not take a flyer on Najeh as a number 5 tail back. I could do a lot worse than Davenport had I waited another 16 picks. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 19th, 2005, 1:11pm I'm glad everyone else knew who I was taking at 12.03, because I sure didn't. I figured I needed to get a starting TE soon, but I was tempted to take Joey Harrington as a 3rd (swing) QB because I think he'll be a roller-coaster QB this year which would be fine as a #3 in a best-ball format. I held off because I didn't want to get completely shut out of the TEs. Interestingly, I have a couple other (available) TEs ranked higher than LJ, but LJ had a significantly higher ADP than the others, so I pulled the trigger on him. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2005, 7:49pm Cheatsheets in initial post up-to-date. [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 20th, 2005, 1:03am Ummm, Heath Miller at 13.04... I try not to be too much of a homer, but this kid not only plays for the Steelers, he is also from my adopted hometown. This is a very rural mountainous area, and the local high school graduating class this year was 70... so for someone to make it to the NFL, first round even, is amazing. Some of you are tired of hearing this, but there might be one or 2 out there who haven't yet. ;D Heck, his mom babysat April - the person helping me make my picks when I am away from my computer. How could I not draft him? Besides which, I feel he is a good gamble at this spot. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 20th, 2005, 11:47am First it was Michael Bennett, then Drew Brees, and now it's happened a third time. Someone has taken my next pick in the slot right before me. I was hoping that Mike Nugent wouldn't be too tempting as a kicker because of him being a rookie. I also thought I'd be fine because I didn't think Tony would go kicker twice in a row. Oh well, Lawrence Tynes should at least get plenty of XP attempts. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 20th, 2005, 1:10pm on 07/20/05 at 01:03:12, bgsgfan wrote:
I too think this was a good spot. In order for Rothlisberger to be successful, he is really going to need to utilize the TE more. Not necessarily as a go to guy, but as a dump off. The Steelers have not had an "offensive" TE in quite a while. They use all their TEs basically as lineman. Plus, for the past few years the Steelers TE has basically sucked!! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 20th, 2005, 1:12pm on 07/20/05 at 11:47:08, Philly wrote:
Kickers are a dime a dozen. You have the top 3, but then after that, who cares. The key to this league is just to pray they don't get hurt. I Know because I had the misfortune of drafting a kicker who never played a down last year. :-[ |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 20th, 2005, 1:21pm Callie-- Do you have knowledge that I do not have? What was the thought process in taking Arnez Battle from the 49ers? He is not even guaranteed a starting spot with Brandon Lloyd and Johnnie Morton there. Not to mention there is going to be a rookie QB there. He had 8 catches for 143 yards. Was this pick with the 3 year receiver theory? Did I miss something that Nolan is in love with Battle? I may have to eat crow at the end of the season, but I really question this pick........ |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 20th, 2005, 1:44pm My pick of Arnaz Battle at the 13 / 14 pole was a typical "take a chance for the fun of it late in the draft" sleeper pick. Nolan has announced that Battle will go into camp as the starting flanker, it's his job to lose, and he loves the guy. Alex Smith is going into camp as QB1. Nolan is the kind of coach who does what he says he's going to do, Smith picks up offenses for breakfast, and last but not least, Battle & Smith already have a good relationship. Also, Battle has speed. At this point in a cumulative points league like this, picking a sleeper like Battle (instead of somebody's backup who may rarely if ever touch the ball) could mean a spike game or two for Battle considering who they're facing twice per season in the NFC West. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 20th, 2005, 2:55pm [quote author=DirkDiggler link=board=56;num=1121295048;start=100#102 date=07/20/05 at 13:12:20] Kickers are a dime a dozen. You have the top 3, but then after that, who cares. The key to this league is just to pray they don't get hurt. I Know because I had the misfortune of drafting a kicker who never played a down last year. :-[/quote] In 2004 I drafted Aaron Elling (Minny had a high-scoring offense and he kicked in a done) and he promptly got cut, signed, cut, and then signed as a kickoff specialist. Then I drafted Joe Nedney who got hurt before the season began, so I essentially had no kickers all season and still finished near the top. So if I can get any points this year it will be gravy. :) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 20th, 2005, 9:15pm Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Callie's selection of Arnez Battle illegal? She already had 5 RBs (Kevin Jones, Tiki Barber, Cedric Benson, Chester Taylor and Eric Shelton) and 4 WRs (Javon Walker, Jimmy Smith, TJ Howeveryouspellit, and Lee Evans), so her swing position is filled already. She still needs another QB, TE and K with only 2 picks left. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 20th, 2005, 9:23pm I don't have Callie with Lee Evans. Isn't he with Tony_O?? |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 20th, 2005, 9:26pm You are right! Thanks for correcting me, since I was wrong! ;D Sorry Callie! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 20th, 2005, 10:12pm Thanks for responding to BW's question, Chumpzilla. I was in the middle of something work-related and was only jumping into the site sporadically. By the time I saw BW's question, Chumpzilla had already taken care of everything. Thanks again! No prob, BW. We all have each others' backs around here. If I had screwed up, learning it sooner would have been better than learning it later. Thanks! (PS - On top of everything else, I lost my net connection for a bit!) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 20th, 2005, 10:18pm Like you said Callie, all is good! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 20th, 2005, 10:24pm Except we're bleeding Tony O dry. DirkDiggler just took Matt Stover, but I have him owned by Tony. What do you guys have? |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chumpzilla on Jul 20th, 2005, 10:28pm :o You are correct! That's what I have too! I just sent DD a PM. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 20th, 2005, 11:32pm I was just wondering what everyone thought of me getting Charles Rogers with pick 14.11? I had my eye on him and I was surprised he made it back to me. Last year he was picked in round 5. I know he has been hurt both years he has been in the league, but everything I read regarding his collerbone breaks seems to indicate he should be back at 100%. I think with the Lions offense he should be able to put up 700-800 yards with 6 to 8 TD's. If he does that he is a bargin at 14.11. He is the fasted WR on the Lions this year. Maybe Roy Williams will get all the double teams and he will be left in one-on-one? Like most of you all, I am in numerous leagues and I am wondering what you have Rogers projected to do this year. If he is close to my projections, I wonder if he will be avaialble this late in all my drafts. On the other hand, he may be a stiff and I just wasted a pick. Your opinions are valued! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 20th, 2005, 11:39pm Rodgers is an awesome talent......but he is just to fragile and I believe he still is not healthy and the Lions know it. That is why they picked up Mike Williams in the first round. Even if he is healthy R. Williams, M. Williams, and Marcus Pollard will take up to many balls to make Rodgers a great FF WR. That being said, you got him so late that you really can't go wrong and he is worth the risk. I fully expected someone to take a flyer on him 3 or 4 rounds earlier. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 20th, 2005, 11:41pm In everything I've seen so far, Rogers is going somewhere around the 10th round, give or take. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 20th, 2005, 11:43pm I have the Dark Horse of all Dark Horse's coming up with my last pick!!!!! Don't get mad at me for winning the who damn thing in the 16th round. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 20th, 2005, 11:47pm It will be very interesting to see where he is picked in the rest of my leagues and also how he performs. I will most likely NOT draft him in any other leagues because I would never be able to figure out when to start him. In this format, however, all I need is for him to have a couple of big games. Well big relatively speaking -- say 8 Rec 120 yards and 1 TD - That would be 18 points and I will take two or three or maybe even four of those ;) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2005, 12:21am Cheatsheets in initial post updated. At this point, I am just going to wait until yous finish to update the "Rosters" page at the CBFL site. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by junkyardjake on Jul 21st, 2005, 9:50am Wow, looking at the rosters so far, this looks really competitive. I hope my buddy Chris remembers to draft a good defense though, or he is screwed. I have a new way of scoring (0-100) fantasy teams that maybe I'll try out for this league when you guys are done. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 21st, 2005, 10:07am on 07/21/05 at 09:50:59, junkyardjake wrote:
Looking forward to it! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 21st, 2005, 11:02am on 07/21/05 at 09:50:59, junkyardjake wrote:
That would be great! I would like to compare your predictions to final results. I have a strong feeling I will be in the middle somewhere. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 21st, 2005, 1:19pm Hail to the Redskins. Possibly the steal of this draft and selceted in the very last round. This defense will easily keep pace with others taken in the 7th,8th, and later rounds. In this scoring system or any other, I am looking at a defense that could easily be a top 5 performer for 2005. Take into consideration they have the 32nd ranked schedule against running defenses in terms of difficulty based on the 2004 final standings. Portis and clock control should have a field day this season. They have the 8th easiest schedule against the passing defenses. They should be putting some points on the board this season offensively and should be able to create more turnovers and hopefuly a couple of extra scores this season. Their schedule is considered the 5th easiest in the league for 2005, with thier opponents 2004 win/loss record of 119 wins, and 137 losses. They give up few yards which is great for our scoring as well as points against which was slightly over 16 per game for 2004. They can hang with any defense in both of these categorys. I also project 31 turnovers, 4 scores, and 43 sacks to go along with everything I have mentioned. On another note, all players must stay out of jail. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 21st, 2005, 1:29pm Hey Captain..........Have you ever made a bad pick? Every pick you make is the steal of the draft. I almost dreaded knowing your pick was next because of the "pat on the back" message that soon follows your selections. Try being humble until you win and then gloat and rub it in our face as much as you want!!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 21st, 2005, 1:41pm on 07/21/05 at 13:29:13, Tony_O wrote:
Did not mean come off like all picks were steals Tony O. And yes I have made bad picks in the past. Last year for instance I took Priest Holmes and was cruising with the top of the heap until he went down. Not backing him up early enough with Johnson cost me a shot at the title. I have probably made some again this season, but I am a value drafter. It usually pays off. You will also note that I said possibly a steal? I can only go based on facts, and to me the Redkins have a lot going for them defensively for 2005, and getting them almost nine rounds later than others allowed me to make additional value picks along the way. If my reasoning for certain picks sounds offensive to you, I am truly sorry for that. It is not meant to be rubbing anything into ones face. And yes I finsihed 2nd here in 2001, Won the title in 2002, do not think I was around for this in 2003, and fell apart last season due to many injuries. I think that I have some credentials to express a point of view that always welcomes constructive criticism. I have no problems with that, or your post. I really enjoyed this draft. I think Steg put together a really fine group. I expect things to be very close, and I do not see any team with a major adavantage. Overall,it was a solid draft. Thanks for having me here once again. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 21st, 2005, 1:50pm I was just messing with you Cap. Thats why I put the grin on the end! I was feeling squirley this morning. You have made some good picks and it will be interesting how things fall into place. Good luck! I can't wait to read the team breakdowns that usually follow the end of the draft. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 21st, 2005, 2:19pm I would also agree that this was a good group of owners. I think it was the best 12 participants collectively(minus the Steg guru of course)that have drafted during the three years that I have been involved. I felt like it was hard to someone go by because there were to many other owners who might have their eyes on the same "gem" I was trying to steal! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 21st, 2005, 2:48pm on 07/21/05 at 13:50:16, Tony_O wrote:
I figured that. I just get excited like a kid in a candy store. Imagine that from a soon to be 50 year old. But I do learn alot from comments and other posters, which is why I enjoy doing these drafts. I learn something new every single day. Maybe the Skins will somebodys sleeper in a future draft. Maybe some have not really followed the strength of schedule. All it is is more information to be used by all. It killed me to take Martin, because they have the 3rd toughest run schedule in the league, but backing him with a younger player in Blaylock should enable me to get number two numbers out of the Jets run game or slightly better. I totally understand why the internet resources have him ranked so low after a steller 2004 campaign. But I believe in his total ability to get the job done and produce, so I drafted him. We shall see. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 21st, 2005, 2:52pm on 07/21/05 at 13:19:55, Captain_Lou wrote:
I'm looking at their schedule now... Week 1 - Cedric Benson Week 2 - Julius Jones Week 4 - Shaun Alexander Week 5 - Tatum Bell (or Denver RB of the week) Week 6 - Priest Holmes Week 7 - Kevan Barlow/Frank Gore Week 8 - Tiki Barber Week 9 - Brian Westbrook Week 10 - Cadillac Williams Week 11 - LaMont Jordan Week 12 - LaDainian Tomlinson Week 13 - Steven Jackson/Marshall Faulk Week 14 - JJ Arrington Week 15 - Julius Jones Week 16 - Tiki Barber Week 17 - Brian Westbrook So, which weeks are the easy ones? I see a small handful, but the majority are tough. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Jul 21st, 2005, 2:56pm on 07/21/05 at 13:19:55, Captain_Lou wrote:
They were a good pick. To be honest with you, I was toying with taking them instead of the Bucs. However, while their schedule is easy, they will give up lots of yards against the pass. They also lost Smoot to the Vikes, and Pierce to the Giants. These two were the heart of their defense last year. Their D-line still sucks. The one major thing they have is Gregg Williams as D coordinator. He always manages to make the most of the talent he has. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 21st, 2005, 2:59pm Well they met all of those studs from the East last season and finsihed #2 in the league in rushing defense. I would say that LT and Holmes would be the biggest challenge out of the guys you mentioned. The running backs you mention are members of teams with a combined 119 wins and 137 losses in 2004. The likes of Arrington , Benson and Williams cannot be placed in a stud category at this early stage. So IMO, based on the run stop ability of this team, they can handle this schedule. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 21st, 2005, 3:52pm on 07/21/05 at 14:56:31, DirkDiggler wrote:
I think that this defense is deep enough to absorb the turnover. As far as giving up a ton of yards against the pass, I am confident that Ron Springs, Carlos Rogers and Walt Harris have the ability to keep things within reasonable amout of yards against through the air. But this is my opinion, and we will not know until the end of the season when all numbers are final. Plus that defensive line played well enough for the Redskins overall defense to be ranked pretty high against the run last season. Second overall. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:18am on 07/20/05 at 23:43:46, The_Dog wrote:
Please tell me Ron Dayne [smiley=spchef.gif] wasn't your dark [smiley=horse.gif] horse, Doggie! [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] Look, as the old-timers around here can tell ya, there is NO bigger Dayne fan/apologist than me, and no bigger Bronco [smiley=broncofan.gif] fan. And, I'll tell ya right now, Ron Dayne fits in Denver's system like he fits into a pair of size 32 jeans. He'll share with Anderson eating up some short-yardage touchdowns, perhaps. But, barring injury to Bell, Clarett and Anderson, at least (I'm not a big Griffin fan; I think he has Eric Metcalf, third-down receiving back written all over him), Dayne will serve no other purpose in Denver. There is a decent chance he may even get cut. Then, in this system, you'll really be screwed. Anyway, I'm willing to hear you out... |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 22nd, 2005, 5:09pm on 07/22/05 at 10:18:31, StegRock wrote:
It's called a sense of humor, Steg. As in the last pick of the draft is supposed to be for FUN. ;D |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2005, 5:49pm on 07/22/05 at 17:09:00, Callie wrote:
In this league, though, without any player transactions, that's not such a good idea. You're better off playing it safe toward the end of the draft. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Captain_Lou on Jul 22nd, 2005, 6:40pm Anybody hear from the owners of the final 3 picks? It has been about 18 hours or so. Just would like to see the ending, that's all. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 22nd, 2005, 7:42pm on 07/22/05 at 18:40:58, Captain_Lou wrote:
I agree, let finish this! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 23rd, 2005, 12:10am on 07/22/05 at 10:18:31, StegRock wrote:
Steg........a couple of reasons I like this pick for me. #1 I already have Tatum Bell, so if Bell goes down then it is either Dayne Clarrett Anderson or Griffin......Griffin drops the ball to much for any coach to like, Clarrett hasn't even played in 2 years, and Mike Anderson will be used primarily at fullback #2 The Giants tried to make Dayne what he wasn't....a power back that plows people over. He is big, but he is not a steamroller type of runner. #3 http://kffl.com/player/1298/nfl This pick was not just for fun......true I am a big Wisconsin Badger fan, but with the running backs that were left I thought my best option would be to take one of my current running backs back ups......and we all know anybody can run behind a Denver line.....Olandis Gary....... |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 23rd, 2005, 12:43am Hey Dog, BTW - I wasn't dissing your handcuff plans or anything like that. I was loving your super-secret-pick-of-the-draft fun stuff. We play this game BECAUSE it's fun. Who knows, we could all be wishing we did it! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by bgsgfan on Jul 23rd, 2005, 1:12am Nice reasoning Dog! I gotta admit, my initial reaction was basically what Steggie posted, but you almost sell me. Almost as in not a snowball's chance in hell I would have drafted Dayne, but I understand your reasoning behind the pick. I am going to blow a gasket if this last pick isn't a certain player. Of course, 2 weeks from now when the last pick comes in, I may have cooled off. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 23rd, 2005, 1:19am It isn't going to be a certain player, but a defense...rotoworldchris has no defense yet. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 23rd, 2005, 1:31am I am not at all upset that my pick was questioned......That is the fun of this. If everyone had the same opinion on players then there would be no reason to play. As always only time will tell. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2005, 12:44pm on 07/23/05 at 00:10:03, The_Dog wrote:
That is a cogent argument, Doggie, given the premises. But, I think the premises are questionable. This is one of these cases where too much information is not a good thing, a trap I find way too many fantasy footballers fall into. After a little thought is applied to that data, further, deeper insight can be gleaned. First off all, any word coming out of just about anywhere at this point is laced with coach-speak. Training camps haven't even started yet and cuts are way off. What else are they going to say? At least half of what's being said at this point is about getting everybody pumped up to work their hardest (including the placebos like Dayne) and go out and win the starting job. They don't just want the incumbents thinking they can just lay back into their starting jobs. As for Dayne's style of play, while I agree with the position that the Giants did not use him correctly trying to turn him into a power back, I fear that Dayne may be fated with a combination of a style of play and a body type that just doesn't work in the NFL. In college, first off, he had an AWESOME o-line, making that find-the-hole, one-cut, north-south move easier. Furthermore, while he had enough speed to break away from and (even though he wasn't a power back) the size to bowl over college players, the NFL is a whole nother level. In the NFL, he is a shifty back stuck in a (flabby) power back's body with his size holding him back (quite literally) and without speed good enough to allow him to break away from NFL players. But, hey, it's the 16th round and you already have Bell. And, as you intimate, even Dayne could put up good numbers, 1,200 or so yards, in Denver's system. So, what the hell? I do think he is buried behind Bell and Clarett, who is PERFECTLY suited to Denver's system, however. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 23rd, 2005, 4:51pm I figure with this league your number one objective is to have a full lineup ever week......this would insure an invite back next week and give you a shot at the title. This is why I drafted both Joey Harrington and Jeff Garcia......this is also why I waited so late for my last running back since I was just going to take one of my guy's back ups. I really like Tatum Bell, but he is an injury risk so I went with Ron Dayne. My other options would have been Aaron Stecker and Nejah Davenport......but Green and Duece haven't had a bad injury history except for some dings last year. Chances are the pick will be worthless, but if it isn't then I appear to have some knowledge in something and that after all is my main objective |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2005, 5:37pm on 07/23/05 at 16:51:37, The_Dog wrote:
Doggie, I don't know if you mistyped this or not (the part enlarged and in bold). But, if not, you were working under an incorrect impression. It's probably not all too consequential, though. I don't know whether or not it would have affected how you would have drafted if you were working under the correct impression with respect to this aspect of things. Probably not. But, you may want to revisit the "Scoring" page over at the CBFL site (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/) and reaquaint yourself with the rules in thorough. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by The_Dog on Jul 23rd, 2005, 6:45pm just mistyped |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 24th, 2005, 12:31am Well, with the last pick finally coming in today, the position-by-position "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of this thread have been updated one last time. Also, the "Rosters" page at the CBFL site (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/) has been finalized. I want to thank each and every one of our participants this year for giving it their all and taking part in this great tradition on "the Gridiron". [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 24th, 2005, 7:57am Steg... the host with the most. [smiley=spchef.gif] Thanks again for hosting this and putting the work into the lineups and rosters for us. [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Jul 24th, 2005, 2:33pm on 07/24/05 at 07:57:33, Philly wrote:
Ditto! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Tony_O on Jul 24th, 2005, 4:15pm My thanks and appreciation as well! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by junkyardjake on Aug 24th, 2005, 9:26am I couldn't figure out how to get this into a better format, but for what it's worth, here are the results of the CBFL scoring program I ran: (Customized for the unique value of defensive team in that particular league) Primetime ---- 709 ** 706 ** 683 ** 2,086 BarnabyWilde ---- 640 ** 669 ** 688 ** 2,014 DirkDiggler ---- 685 ** 649 ** 657 ** 1,986 rotoworldchris ---- 670 ** 685 ** 606 ** 1,925 Philly ---- 599 ** 612 ** 672 ** 1,916 Dolfan ---- 651 ** 619 ** 632 ** 1,901 bgsgfan ---- 677 ** 654 ** 597 ** 1,894 Chumpzilla ---- 639 ** 657 ** 603 ** 1,877 Tony_O ---- 587 ** 614 ** 643 ** 1,865 Captain_Lou ---- 648 ** 625 ** 589 ** 1,838 The_Dog ---- 563 ** 593 ** 624 ** 1,803 Callie ---- 552 ** 567 ** 579 ** 1,708 There are three components and then a total score (last column)... The first number is the 'Consensus Ranking Score' the second is the 'Average Draft Position Score', and the third is the score based on my rankings. So anyway, I think it's interesting, but we'll see how accurate it is. Definitely the most objective measure of how you drafted will be the 'Average Draft Position Score', which is a good measure of how you selected players at the correct value. However both the 'Consensus Ranking Score' the JYJ rankings score could mean little if your personal rankings turn out to be more representative of what actually happens. For example, I couldn't figure out why Callie's team came out so low because it seems pretty solid, but it is apparent that she definitely drafted according to her own unique source (i.e. 552 Consensus ranking score, 567 ADP score and 579 JYJ Score). In the event that Callie kicks everybody's ass, I think she should start selling her cheatsheet to the Sporting News. :) |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Aug 24th, 2005, 1:17pm That's OK, Jake. Last year Philly had me ranked dead bang last after the draft, too. And I'm still playin'. (Barely ;D ) The only thing I can add concerning any unique method I might have is that ADPs and Consensus Rankings will probably reflect trends and relative player value at a particular pick number for people drafting in head-to-head leagues. My personal rankings took the cumulative points league factor into account. I'm not sure how you calculate the JYJ Rankings, but I would figure you probably took the scoring system and cumulative points league factors into account. So...go figure ;). |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by junkyardjake on Aug 24th, 2005, 2:38pm Quote:
Callie, I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean by that, could you elaborate ? Quote:
Essentially what I did was assign points for every player on every roster based on where they appeared on the rankings: For example, if you had Duante Culpepper, and he was ranked #3, you would get the points associated with the #3 QB, based on historical information. By 'Historical information', I mean if you took actual data from the last three years, and looked at the #3 QB in terms of fantasy points gained, what is the value of that player ? The other enhancements I made involved adjusting for the relative value within a position. For example, the #8 runningback may have earned an average of 150 points over the last 3 years, while the #8 QB might have been worth 220 points over the last three years. Despite this, because the value of runningbacks drops off quickly (otherwise known as 'variance'), the #8 RB is typically worth more than the #8 QB. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Aug 24th, 2005, 3:10pm on 08/24/05 at 14:38:12, junkyardjake wrote:
(Sorry, I started to answer you twice and had to go.) I only meant that I gave more value to players who might be streaky or have spike games than I would give them in a head-to-head league where I might have to depend on more consistent performance from week to week. BTW, Jake. You sure did a lot of work for us! Thanks!!!! |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Aug 24th, 2005, 4:20pm Thanks for taking the time to put this together and share it with us JYJ. It is certainly interesting and should generate some nice debate. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by junkyardjake on Aug 24th, 2005, 4:50pm Thanks guys, it was fun to do. btw, if anyone has any cool ideas on how to accomplish a fantasy roster scoring formula, please share it. |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Callie on Aug 27th, 2005, 7:49pm Since no one else is sayin' it, looks like The Dog's last round pick of Dayne could be a good one. [smiley=gotanidea.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2005 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 27th, 2005, 8:00pm You all can say what you want to, even without Grossman, I am winning this thing again! [smiley=headbanger.gif] |
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