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(Message started by: BrianM123 on Dec 17^th, 2005, 8:37pm)

Title: I love Tiki Barber
Post by BrianM123 on Dec 17^th, 2005, 8:37pm

Whoo Hoo! Scored me 36 pts in the playoffs tonight. His receiver Eddie Kennison had 1 pt but then fumbled the last play of the game and got -2 for the fumble!

Hopefully I do well tomorrow with Lamont Jordan, Boldin, Ward, Roethlisberger, Kicker - Graham, Dallas Defense, and Todd Heap

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by Referee on Dec 17^th, 2005, 8:46pm

[offtopic]As per our message-board descriptions, Brian, this is fodder for our "between the 20's" board, not for here in "the Red Zone". As such, that is where this thread will be moved. Thank you for your anticipated understanding and cooperation in the future with our rules of organization. [smiley=bow.gif][/offtopic]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 17^th, 2005, 8:53pm

Yea, I do too when he is on my team... and in my lineup. He was on my bench in JunkyardJake.com's web site owner "experts" league. [smiley=no.gif] But, let's be honest... His performance today was quite unexpected. He was a) due for a "less than stellar" game, having had the longest run of 100-yard games he's ever had, b) going up against a defense that hadn't allowed a 100-yard rusher since mid-last season and that is, furthermore, fairly vulnerable to the pass, and c) behind a(n allegedly) make-shift o-line.

Whatever, though, right? Congratulations on a FANTASTIC play! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

I just hope and pray that Fred Taylor/Willie Parker get the job done and advance me to the championship game! [smiley=pray.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by sexydexy on Dec 17^th, 2005, 11:42pm

I don't see why his performance today was unexpected. These are his stats for the year:

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1782/gamelogs/2005

He's been on a tear the last few weeks albeit the TDs weren't plentiful. In most good leagues, though, yardage like that is rewarded well.

Tiki Barber is third in the league right now in rushing yards. I just don't see how you can say that he was "due" for a bad game and that the Chiefs defense was going to stop him.

The Denver Broncos put up 200 yards on the Chiefs, it was just with more RBs. Sometimes statistics like the one you presented about the 100 yard rusher streak can be deceiving.

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 12:54am

I LOVE you mouthy after-the-fact, hindsight-20/20 guys. sd, you do the same thing during the mock drafts we conduct around here all the time. You rarely participate, BUT always come up with the after-the-fact, furrowed-brow, critical comment. You'll make one or sometimes maybe two VERY early fairly obvious picks and then you disappear, only to reappear later on with critical commentary "from on high". I mean... Are you not matter-of-factly saying I am a dummy here? Sometimes stats like what you point out, namely merely the guy's year-to-date stats, can be deceiving (on any given Sunday that is), too. Look, I've been riding Tiki and basically kicking ass all year long in JYJ's thing. I know ALL TOO WELL how AWESOME he's been. And, perhaps, if I didn't also have Parker and Taylor (and Edge and R. Williams, who are also on my bench, mind you) this week, I would have been "lucky" to not have even had the option to NOT play Tiki. Would I be a "better" or "smarter" fantasy footballer if that were the case??? Look, to just dismiss my fairly "reason-able" reasoning by merely throwing Tiki's year-to-date stats up in my face in a, let's face it, de facto patronizing manner, when, of course, I know them as I have been riding the guy ALL F'N YEAR, is f'n WEAK. You did not present a counter-argument to what I said. You just threw up his stats and reiterated (in the negative) what I said. ?.?.? Again, to be completely clear here, I obviously after-the-fact and in hindsight made the wrong call with "respect to" Tiki. It still remains to be seen, however, if I have made the wrong calls regarding Taylor and Parker (but I'm sure if I'm wrong, you'd enjoy pointing it out to me). But, I do know that just restating a guy's year-to-date stats is not a valid argument form. My "a, b and (earlier forgotten, later added) c" that I present above are at least an attempt at analysis and "coming to" a "position". Look, I do NOT mind dudes' disagreeing with me, but, on the other hand, I do NOT take kindly to someone whose apparent (to me) modus operandi is just sitting back and critiquing others without sticking his own neck out (like when we do our "huddle up" mock drafts around here during the offseason or when I did ask for lineup help with this very league (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=55;action=display;num=1126212364), but chiming in ahead of time with your take wouldn't fit your m.o.; you'd rather just sit back and criticize than "give me a hand" (in both senses), right?) and, moreover, does NOT even take the time to counter with a reasoned-out "argument", instead countering with just what in essence amounts to trash-talk, at least in the sense that you are just pointing out the "obvious" to the guy "after the fact", thus, de facto giving an arrogant "you dumb ass" edge to your posts. Here, once again, you are in your typically safe and cozy position to be critical, right,... a position in which you have nothing ultimately at stake (other than, of course, the little matter of needlessly putting people off)? [smiley=annoyed.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by MordecaiCourage on Dec 18^th, 2005, 1:31am

D . A . M . N Steg!! [smiley=furious.gif] [smiley=yikes.gif] Why don't you tell sd how you really feel! [smiley=annoyed.gif] Ya'll need to take it out back [smiley=boxer.gif] [smiley=chair.gif] [smiley=duel.gif] [smiley=hammer.gif] [smiley=spank.gif] [smiley=takinyours.gif] [smiley=gunsablazin.gif] [smiley=rifle.gif] [smiley=arguing.gif] [smiley=tough.gif] [smiley=madashell.gif] [smiley=numchuk.gif] [smiley=nownow.gif] [smiley=pissed.gif] [smiley=ready4war.gif] [smiley=firinback.gif] [smiley=storm.gif] [smiley=slap.gif] [smiley=waitinforu.gif] [smiley=damncomputer.gif]

Anyway [smiley=nono.gif][smiley=Uwent2far.gif] [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] [smiley=no.gif] this post makes Mordecai's all time "Boo History" [smiley=thumbsdown.gif] Hall of Shame ...but I still love ya' ;) ;D

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 1:44am

on 12/18/05 at 01:31:06, MordecaiCourage wrote:

Watch out what you wish for, MC! This guy also lives on Oahu... [smiley=ohshit.gif]

Quote:

Anyway [smiley=nono.gif][smiley=Uwent2far.gif] [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] [smiley=no.gif] this post makes Mordecai's all time "Boo History" [smiley=thumbsdown.gif] Hall of Shame ...but I still love ya' ;) ;D

Whose post??? [smiley=uh.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 3:40am

Look, I'll even concede that based "on his stats alone" (as a sole premise), an argument for a "solid" or "good" game out of him today against the Chiefs could have been made (though it wouldn't have been a very interesting argument to make). But, that's not the implication and tone of his post... Furthermore, I NEVER (i.e. prior to editing) or NOWHERE in my post said that Tiki was set to have a "bad" game. Those are words sd's putting in my mouth. I just said that his performance was "unexpected". "Reason-able" enough, no?

on 12/17/05 at 23:42:17, sexydexy wrote:

I don't see why his performance today was unexpected.

Isn't it just a little pretentious to imply (AFTER THE FACT) that you had an idea BEFOREHAND that he was going to blow up to the tune of 36.9 fantasy points?

...

Quote:

In most good leagues, though, yardage like that is rewarded well.

And, what's this about? [smiley=uh.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by BrianM123 on Dec 18^th, 2005, 8:13am

I didn't intend for my post to cause such a heated argument. I was definitely somewhat fortunate though to get 36 pts out of Tikki when he normally averages around 16. I had Anderson on the bench so it was a no brainer to start Tikki this week, although Anderson also had a big day with 21 pts.

I gotta hope Roethlisberger and Hines Ward connect a few times today and hopefully I should be ok. This is the first year of fantasy football for me and I gotta tell ya, it is addicting!

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 2:22pm

on 12/18/05 at 08:13:08, BrianM123 wrote:

I didn't intend for my post to cause such a heated argument.

NO worries, bro! That's part of "the ballgame" [smiley=waitinforu.gif] ... ;) 'round here.

Quote:

I was definitely somewhat fortunate though to get 36 pts out of Tikki when he normally averages around 16. I had Anderson on the bench so it was a no brainer to start Tikki this week, although Anderson also had a big day with 21 pts.

Thank you... for that dose of candor and humility, Brian. [smiley=bow.gif]

Quote:

I gotta hope Roethlisberger and Hines Ward connect a few times today and hopefully I should be ok.

Me, too, man... Me, too... The Ward part in particular... [smiley=pray.gif] Doesn't look that great so far, though... [smiley=nervous.gif]

Quote:

This is the first year of fantasy football for me and I gotta tell ya, it is addicting!

And,... well,... Brian,... I hear ya loud and clear, brother. [smiley=kb.gif] I just hope you make "the Gridiron @FantasyFootballer.com" your "FF crackhouse" or should I say "FF crackhome", where you do all your cyber crack-smokin' [smiley=bonghit.gif]with your fellow Gridironer buds and remain around as this hut grows into a phat, fat mansion (with ribbons being cut on our offices,... perhaps,... since as an e-company geography doesn't have to dictate our location,... in the Colorado Rockies or on the Big Island... [smiley=wiseguy.gif] Wouldn't those be nice "commutes", huh? And, relatively speaking, these paradises are not even that expensive of areas to live. :o)

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by sexydexy on Dec 18^th, 2005, 2:49pm

I think the problem here isn't my attitude or my posts...it's the fact that you don't even read my posts.

You also took a "hindsight" approach in posting after Barber put up his numbers. Then you presented your opinion about how he shouldn't have done as well as he did...or that it wasn't expected.

I posted some stats that said otherwise. I don't know, maybe you just can't handle being wrong on some things or are blowing off some steam.

And please, don't even give me that "I sit back and wait to criticize everyone." Just because I'm not on your site all the time doesn't mean I'm not being helpful elsewhere in the fantasy football world.

If you can't take criticism, that's fine. But please, cut out all the philosophical bullshit and just be a man about this whole thing. There was nothing wise or assholish about my post. It was merely stating a dissenting opinion to your post.

As far as the most good leagues comment, I was referring to the fact that in Yahoo! leagues or other free leagues, Tiki Barber wouldn't have had very good points the few weeks prior because they don't reward yardage very well. But as far as better leagues that are more accurate in rewarding points for yardage, he did very well the last few weeks.

Nobody's being pretentious here. Your opinion was based after the fact and so was mine. So if you have a problem with my post, you should have a problem with your own analysis as well.

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 3:08pm

on 12/18/05 at 14:49:09, sexydexy wrote:

You also took a "hindsight" approach in posting after Barber put up his numbers. Then you presented your opinion about how he shouldn't have done as well as he did...or that it wasn't expected.

What are you talking about??? ?.?.? The proof is in the pudding, dude... How do you think I came to the difficult conclusion to bench Barber??? You think I just woke up and decided out of thin air, "Let me not play Tiki this week... just for the hell of it!"

You're just coming in and rubbing salt in my wounds.

And, so, according to your "logic", was I supposed to say I made the wrong calls on Parker and Taylor before they played??? ?.?.? ... [smiley=LMFAO.gif] ... ;)

Your "depth-lacking"/"small-picture" illogic never ceases to amaze me...

Quote:

Just because I'm not on your site all the time doesn't mean I'm not being helpful elsewhere in the fantasy football world.

Uhhhh... Okay... Head on over to that other world, bro... [smiley=shrug.gif] They need ya... [smiley=onit.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 3:18pm

on 12/18/05 at 15:08:31, StegRock wrote:

And, so, according to your "logic", was I supposed to say I made the wrong calls on Parker and Taylor before they played??? ?.?.? ... [smiley=LMFAO.gif] ... ;)

And, to follow your illogic all the way through...

Since I actually posted the comment quoted above intimating that I was wrong about Parker and Taylor this week before their games were actually over, if they end up with good games, did I make the right call or the wrong call? ?.?.? I'm confused... [smiley=dunce.gif] Teach me! [smiley=Elway.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 18^th, 2005, 4:03pm

Never bench your studs Steg...and never, ever bench Tiki! :)

on 12/17/05 at 20:53:02, StegRock wrote:

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 4:17pm

on 12/18/05 at 16:03:21, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Never bench your studs Steg...and never, ever bench Tiki! :)

Yea,... I know... [smiley=no.gif]

On the other hand, though,... I kind of have a backfield of nothing but studs. I shouldn't have benched the biggest one of them, though, and it, particularly playing Taylor, is probably going to cost me the game. :'(

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by sexydexy on Dec 18^th, 2005, 4:17pm

I would stick to philosophy and leave the football for others.

That's all you seem to be good at.

I point something out about football and you go into some philosophical rant.

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 4:20pm

on 12/18/05 at 16:17:41, sexydexy wrote:

I would stick to philosophy and leave the football for others.

That's all you seem to be good at.

[smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif]

That's a pretty low blow to be throwing on my fantasy football site... :-/

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 18^th, 2005, 4:29pm

I hate having to choose between 2 good players...I always seem to choose the wrong guy.

on 12/18/05 at 16:17:00, StegRock wrote:

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 5:10pm

on 12/18/05 at 16:03:21, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Never bench your studs Steg...and never, ever bench Tiki! :)

Again, true,... and that is a rule I virtually always abide by (as you guys who have been around here for the three and a third years of the site's existence should know). But, notwithstanding a fortunate short-yardage touchdown opportunity, I did have the right idea [smiley=bullseye.gif] about James, who R. Williams, also on my bench, had a better game than. It's just that in fantasy football sometimes you can just have too much of a good thing,... which segues nicely to the next point...

on 12/18/05 at 16:29:59, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I hate having to choose between 2 good players...I always seem to choose the wrong guy.

You know you say a mouthful there. That's such a telling observation. It is true that sometimes you can have too many good options. I've noticed this, as well, down through the 17 years I've been playing fantasy football... Having too deep of a roster, ironically and paradoxically, can cause you to overthink things.

And, it's all that human unpredictability that makes for the fun of it all...

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 18^th, 2005, 5:41pm

Lol...this is a moronic statement if I have ever see one. Steg has more football knowledge than most people I have ever met.

on 12/18/05 at 16:17:41, sexydexy wrote:

I would stick to philosophy and leave the football for others.

That's all you seem to be good at.

I point something out about football and you go into some philosophical rant.

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by junkyardjake on Dec 18^th, 2005, 8:45pm

Quote:

Lol...this is a moronic statement if I have ever see one. Steg has more football knowledge than most people I have ever met.

I agree....

Certainly leaving Tiki on your bench wasn't the conventional move, but the Chiefs didn't look like an ideal matchup. (In any event Steg, I thought you were crazier for benching Edgerrin James, but that didn't turn out to be such a bad decision afterall.)

I'll tell you one thing I've noticed over the past few seasons: You are much better off having at least one stud at each position, then to be stacked at runningback. There is one fantasy school of thought that says grab all the starting RB's you can and see which ones stick. I'm starting to believe that doesn't work very well, it's much better to have top guys at each position, which ideally include only 2 good RBs (and probably their backups).

I had one league this year where I constantly picked the wrong runningbacks (Anderson and Bell certainly complicated this situation). Every other week I got hosed by playing the 4 point guy and leaving the 30 point guy on the bench.

....But if you just have for example Tomlinson, Lamont Jordan, Michael Turner, Justin Fargas, and then stud players at QB, WR, TE and Defense, it's hard to fu&k up, and you seemingly have a better shot at winning as a result of balanced scoring. [smiley=twocents.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 18^th, 2005, 11:46pm

I definitely tend to agree with your observation, JYJ, but this has really gotten me to thinking and I am going to take this in a bit of a different direction, and, in any event what JYJ says still doesn't account for the situation of the (rare) well-balanced stacked lineup. (Quick side note, though, JYJ,... what I really needed to do in this league is move one or more of those backs I had for a stud receiver; it's really Ward, Horn and J. Smith that disappointed.)

All of this talk about the (rather absurd) reality of the "problems" caused by being stacked at a position (we're saying RB, but really this happens at every position; I actually find it worse at QB, since in most formats you only start one, WR and, if you happen to have two, PK, which are just generally positions that are harder to predict) along with sd's passing comment about good league systems prompted me to think about this from the macro perspective of how to adjust a league system to resolve this stupid situation rather than from the micro perspective of how to adjust as a player to this (ridiculous) reality, which JYJ, I think, correctly assesses and addresses, and made me realize that we offer two solutions and provide two models right here at FantasyFootballer.com via the systems of our two featured leagues, namely the depth and flexibility of the GBRFL system and the CBFL "Best Ball" format. In fact, I have only experienced this (absurd) reality, at least in a particularly poignant way (and, frankly speaking, have had difficulty adjusting to it), when I take the rare occasion to step out of the GBRFL (or CBFL) world to play in a league with your run-of-the-mill system (10-to-12 teams, head-to-head cumulative fantasy points with a 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK, 1 D/ST starting lineup and playoffs) like I did this year.

In the GBRFL format, this "issue" is, though not completely eliminated, VERY minimized by 10 teams with 21-man rosters, playing two opponents most weeks and allowing unique lineups to be submitted for each of the two games and, most directly, a "cascading" starting lineup in which you start 2 QB's and 3 RB's. This kind of depth and flexibility, way more often than not, rewards position-by-position depth in a way that the current "conventional" system does not (evidenced by this very discussion). For more information on the GBRFL format, follow these links: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/scoring.htm and http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfleagues.htm.

The CBFL "Best Ball" format in an even simpler manner, but one that severely departs from conventional thinking (not that the GBRFL's doesn't, as well; but in the GBRFL it's more of an overall departure, whereas this is one, sharp difference), virtually completely eradicates this (dumb, frustrating) "issue" (of being too good at a position). In this format, teams do not submit weekly lineups. Instead, a team's best 1 QB, 2 RB's, 2 WR's, 1 TE, and 1 PK and only D/ST are used. That amounts to a pretty direct solution. From the perspective of one's roster as a whole, it could still be contended that this "issue" still ever so slightly creeps in, but that's about it. For further information on the CBFL set-up, go here: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/scoring.htm.

Also, avoiding playoffs is another common denominator of the two systems. The GBRFL opts for a bowling league-style "bumper week" format. The CBFL just goes by total cumulative points. Avoiding playoffs takes the whole season into account and removes a team's being made or broken by one week at the end of the season, in which they might have made such a boo-boo (the stupid possibility of which is embedded in the system). As I've discussed at other times here on the site, I think playoffs are unnatural to fantasy ball, that is vis-a-vis "real" sports where the set of considerations lends itself to playoff formats.

Anyway, this has turned into a very productive, stimulating discussion... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by sexydexy on Dec 19^th, 2005, 2:34am

Maybe I was a little pissy with you, Steg.

I ended up spending most of the day in the ER (day after my 21st birthday...and not even for alcohol poisoning!).

So, my apologies for being too abrupt and harsh. It is your site and you do have some good insight into football.

But, I still think that my original post was valid as a counterpoint to your post.

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by StegRock on Dec 19^th, 2005, 3:35pm

sd, first, thank you. [smiley=bow.gif] I too apologize :-[ for any mud-slinging comments I made (like the one about heading on over to your other FF worlds) and for being my usual Steg-harsh self (regarding the latter, it's part and parcel of my running the site; the dialogue here wasn't really between sd and Steg per se; it was more so between sd and the admin, [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] so to speak). But, anyway, if you read between the lines of my response(s), what is said loud-n-clear is (as you can given the rest of "life", of course) hang out a bit more (up on the main boards and) [smiley=loudnclear.gif] do some more "proactive" participation. Critical commentary is important, mind you. We never want to swallow someone's words whole without critically thinking them through, for sure (this regards life, mind you, not just fantasy football). HOWEVER, what I think is more important at first for and what I seek to engender on "the Gridiron" is, first and foremost, an initial appreciation of ideas rather than the knee-"jerk" ;) "furrowed-brow" approach since the people I've attracted and kept here tend to put a decent amount of thought and energy into what they post, and, then, MOREOVER, a sense of feeling like you have to earn your right on "the Gridiron" to speak critically of others. You might then ask, "How do you earn that right?" I respond, "Like with anything in life, 1) over time (that's just a fact, Jack), 2) by first approaching your 'elders' (those who have been around longer, post more frequently and have established themselves and who they are to the community) on the site with respect and deference, which accomplishes at least two GREAT things: a) the cultivation of a humble, even 'bite-your-tongue' attitude (which is VERY useful in life), and b) an arrival at an understanding of the 'lay of the land', what this particular place is about, so as to better navigate its terrain, and, then, 3) by participating in the group activities the site has to offer in a proactive and, again, at first, uncritical manner." As admin, I've seen you as a fellow on the brink of greatness (on the site), sd. I've observed a "good" guy who surely has something to bring to "the Gridiron" table, but who also exhibits a certain pattern that is NOT consistent with the spirit of and does NOT exemplify what I've just outlined above. Quite frankly, sd, it is that observation over time that this was all about rather than your post here itself. Had I not had this "feeling" heretofore, I would NOT have even given your post a second thought (in this harsh manner). Substantive case in point, look at how I responded to BW's critical post, which too doesn't really present much in the way of an "argument", either. (Look, too, at the way he went about it; I don't think for a moment he would have even considered posting a link to Barber's year-to-date stats, knowing that I knew them... all too well and did not need them thrown up in my face and that (now I am speaking as Steg here, not admin [smiley=gonecrazy.gif]) I was probably pretty sore and VERY frustrated [smiley=frustrated.gif] about the whole situation.) (In any event) He's definitely earned "it" if you follow (and he, furthermore, used a tack that was mild, "consider"ate and "thought"ful and even deferential).?.? The bottom line is that I want to attract and keep people who too appreciate and already have and/or want to improve upon or want to adopt such an attitude (toward the site and,... well,... life) as is outlined above, and the rest... be gone. I am NOT looking to "slut" "the Gridiron" to the top of the charts. We'll get there, but we'll (have) do(ne) it in the time it takes for it to be done the right and, more importantly, lasting way. I hope you, sd, and everybody who wants to be here can situate yourselves within that "bigger picture" in a productive and understanding manner.

Title: Re: I love Tikki Barber
Post by KillerKingSting on Dec 23^rd, 2005, 2:11pm

If I may, I have been reading this topic now for a few days and would like to share my very similiar situation.

I also benched Tiki. No, not this past week but,

I benched him on a week (either 2 or 3 weeks ago) in which he broke out for 30+ points (In insane world, even that is considered great!).

Uh, I BEElieve I played McGahee instead. Oooh Yah, Losman was the QB at the time.

Steg, you are not alone Bro!

Anyhow,
some weeks it seems like I have total knowledge of what is going to happen in the NFL - even the change up in things

(such as the Gado pickup I made 2 weeks prior to him even getting playing time)

And some weeks it appears as if I am clueless, lol.

Whatever with that but, (Oh my Gado!!!!what the HAIL BEE my problemoid?),

But moreover, I can attest to the point of view that, perhaps, and mind you, I am speaking only for myself,

that benching someone like Tiki takes somewhat of a creative, analytical and certainly courageous-foresight-seeing side. I benched (either McGahee OR S.Alexander) in the first week in lue of Willie Parker.

It worked out great!

Its FUN sometimes to go with a hunch. Albeit you don't want to appear clueless when "hunching",

Its fun to get creative with your lineups some weeks. And its even more fun when your right about it.

Hey, I applaud you for getting creative! Steg!

Last, I would like to mention - I almost benched Tiki last week as well. but as I got burned a couple of weeks ago by doing so - I decided against.

Fact is that KC's RUN-D was/is pretty solid. NYG's OLINE was hurting and this time of year - its difficult to get the most accurate information on injuries for some reason,

in fact, BOTH OTs had nagging problems,

ELI has been somewhat critisized of late,

all that coupled together and I most definitely can see why Tiki was benched.

I just think that the Barber showed what a tremendous RB he truly is.

In fact, Both Barbers (Ronde), are phenominal athletes with an "x" factor for the "feel" of the game.

True football players.