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(Message started by: StegRock on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 5:52pm)

Title: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 5:52pm

Is it order out of order or order out of order? [smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... ;) Whatever it is, all I know is a coin flip was involved! [smiley=twocents.gif] It was between the beatniks [smiley=beatnik.gif] of San Fran and their "bizarro world" counterparts from the proverbial "other side" of the bay, the roughnecks [smiley=headbanger.gif] of Oakland (gee, I wonder who won that "battle"). From "The REAL Feed":

Raiders win coin flip over 49ers in draft sweepstakes (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/01/02/2020.ap.fbn.draft.order.0302/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (02.01.2006 16:12)

[smiley=borg.gif] By the way, this is the thread on which I'd like you all to keep your early-on '06 draft talk. While things remain very unclear in the early going, we do not need to start a new '06 draft-related thread for every little rumor that seeps out. When the facts of the matters become more lucid and substantive, of course, threads may be started with respect to particular prospects and the possibilities of where they'll land. Until that time, though, let's stick with and build up this thread.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 8:38pm

Here is a link to several 2006 mocks:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/mock.html

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Jan 2^nd, 2006, 10:14pm

For the best NFL Draft coverage online, check out Consensus Draft Services (http://www.condraft.com). There are nearly 600 seniors profiled (FOR FREE - most sites charge you big bucks to read their player profiles) and all the other usual stuff - mock drafts, top 100, position rankings, etc. There's also a message board where you can talk to some of the NFL stars of tomorrow. Plus, yours truly is one of the site administrators.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 3^rd, 2006, 5:10am

[offtopic]Phil,... I was just wondering... Are you also letting your buds over at CDS know about our "Playoff Challenge" and "Post-season Contest"? :)[/offtopic]

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Jan 4^th, 2006, 10:34am

on 01/03/06 at 05:10:09, StegRock wrote:

[offtopic]Phil,... I was just wondering... Are you also letting your buds over at CDS know about our "Playoff Challenge" and "Post-season Contest"? :)[/offtopic]

I was just about to do that. [smiley=sailin.gif]

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 4^th, 2006, 4:08pm

[offtopic]
on 01/04/06 at 10:34:25, Philly wrote:

I was just about to do that. [smiley=sailin.gif]

[smiley=havinablast.gif] ... [smiley=bow.gif]

Honestly, I've visited CDS a handful of times (as you know, the NFL draft is not my thing,... relative to some of you guys, so...) and they seem to be a good, "Gridiron-compatible" bunch of guys. ... The only thing is that they are also trying to dabble in fantasy football, which matter-of-factly embeds a certain (one-way, mind you) "conflict of interest"... for them to come over here and join in our activities (and even for you, Jeff, for that matter,... which is worrisome to me; when, on the other hand, that "conflict of interest" doesn't exist the other way around, for us over here, which is also an area of mild concern). But, in fact, CDS is NOT set up for fantasy success (and, with all due respect, Jeff,... it by and large shows). ... Meanwhile, though, there could be a wonderful marriage here. They do the NFL draft stuff WELL; we do fantasy football WELL... They're a burgeoning site still in their infancy, relatively speaking; we are a burgeoning site still in our infancy, relatively speaking. The bottom line is, if they could return the favor commensurately, I would GLADLY add them along with JunkyardJake.com to our "Featured Associates" with a link there at the top of EVERY PAGE of "the Gridiron" and elsewhere like I do for JYJ. That way we could both (all, including JYJ) grow from each other's success (as you might remember, Jeff, from our conversations of long ago, it is the LARGE "network" thing that I am ultimately striving for). Could there not be something facilitated here? [smiley=shrug.gif] It seems like a no-brainer...[/offtopic]

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 5^th, 2006, 1:16am

Wonder if this will change in the wake of Texas's National Championship... From "The REAL Feed":

Texas' Young leaning toward dodging NFL draft (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2280007&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (04.01.2006 16:54)
Texas' Young leaning toward dodging NFL draft by Len PasquarelliVince Young hasn't studied the 2006 NFL draft nearly as much as he has the Southern California defense that he will face in the Rose Bowl on Wednesday evening, in a game that will determine the national champion.But the University o...

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Jan 5^th, 2006, 10:51am

on 01/02/06 at 17:52:36, StegRock wrote:

Looks like you (and the rest of the media) jumped the gun on this one. The NFL has indicated that the coin-flip between the Raiders and the Niners has NOT occurred yet. Apparently the AP ran a story and everyone else jumped on it a bit prematurely.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 5^th, 2006, 2:39pm

on 01/05/06 at 10:51:34, Philly wrote:

Looks like you (and the rest of the media) jumped the gun on this one.

Just for the record... I think it was the media (then little old me just posting an AP report somewhere WAY down at the end of the line) who jumped the gun on this one. I just want to make sure we're clear on the order of the unfolding of things here... ;) And, with that said,...

on 01/02/06 at 17:52:36, StegRock wrote:

Is it order out of order or order out of order?

...I missed the one it actually ended up being,... order out of order. [smiley=doh.gif] ... [smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 5^th, 2006, 4:37pm

Thought that this, from off "The REAL Feed", was worth sharing with yous...

Football: 2006 NFL Mock Draft (http://www.sportsfilter.com/comments.cfm/5835)
SportsFilter (05.01.2006 14:42)
Wrigley South: The order is out.
1. Houston
2. New Orleans
3. Tennessee
4. New York Jets
5. Green Bay
5. Oakland/SF
7. SF/Oakland
8. Buffalo
9. Detroit
10. Arizona

What do these guys need, who will they take?

We'll have our own going on here "between the 20's" soon enough, and they'll go MUCH DEEPER, mind you, but it's kind of cool that "The REAL Feed" includes this kind of stuff and I thought I should let yous know. On the [smiley=note.gif] of doing our own,... sure, I will eventually organize some official ones, BUT you all are welcome to do some on your own here "between the 20's", our draft center, ANY TIME you want. :)

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Referee on Jan 6^th, 2006, 7:54pm

A post regarding the underclassmen potentially available in this year's NFL draft can be found here:

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;action=display;num=1136594343.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Jan 6^th, 2006, 11:54pm

on 01/06/06 at 19:54:33, Referee wrote:

Not a bad list, but they're missing a few...

Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon - He's officially declared and will be a top 10 pick in April.

Richard Marshall, CB, Fresno St - He's declared and will probably be a second round pick. (Kiper had him ranked #22 on his big board a couple weeks ago, but he's dropped him now - my goodness Kiper is fickle.)

Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia - Big (6' 7", 255) guy who can stretch the field and create mismatches all over the place. Will be a first round pick.

Ernie Sims, LB/SS, Florida St - Reminds many of Derrick Brooks (without the "good guy" image). Has said he's declaring unless the NFL Advisory Committee gives him a bad grade.

Moe Thompson, DE, Grambling via South Carolina - A big fast DE who has had some legal problems. Sat out this past year after enrolling at Grambling subsequent to Spurrier kicking him off the Gamecock squad. I talked to him this past fall prior to his trial (in an exclusive interview) and he insists that his arrest was the result of a prank amongst teammates gone bad. He's very personable and has a fantastic support team led by his mother (who I also talked to for a couple hours one night). I personally don't think he's a behavioral risk at the next level, although I may be biased...

Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St - He will likely be the first WR selected in April.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 9^th, 2006, 8:48pm

From "The REAL Feed":

Ohio State CB Ashton Youboty to turn pro (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2285498&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (09.01.2006 11:33)
Ohio State CB Ashton Youboty to pass up senior yearCOLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State cornerback Ashton Youboty will pass up his senior season to enter the NFL draft. Youboty was a first-team All-Big Ten selection and has been projected as going anywhere from the late first round to the third rou...

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jan 19^th, 2006, 2:23pm

Article about underclassmen entering this year's NFL Draft... from "The REAL Feed":

48 underclassmen, including Bush and Young, approved for draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/01/19/2020.ap.fbn.draft.underclassmen.0161/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (19.01.2006 13:19)

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on Feb 1^st, 2006, 6:05pm

Here are some links to some other mock draft sites:

http://www.draftboard.com/draftboard/nfl/

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Feb 24^th, 2006, 9:57pm

Alas,... the coin has apparently, really been flipped... And, the "winner" is... (drum roll, please,... [smiley=drummer.gif])... a San Francisco Bay-area team! [smiley=joker.gif] From "The REAL Feed":

49ers win coin toss for sixth pick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2343448&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (24.02.2006 16:22)
San Francisco's "victory" over the Oakland Raiders on Friday, in a coin toss to determine the sixth and seventh overall choices in the draft, still felt pretty important to 49ers officials.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Callie on Feb 24^th, 2006, 10:26pm

The 9ers see it more like this:

"The successful coin flip not only has an impact in the first round, but its echoes will reverberate throughout the draft. San Francisco will get the fifth overall pick in the second round, fourth overall pick in the third round and third overall pick in the fourth round. In the fifth round, the 49ers will pick seventh overall, sixth overall in the sixth round and fifth overall in the seventh round barring trades.

Head Coach Mike Nolan recognizes the importance of the successful flip as well."

http://www.sf49ers.com/newsroom/DisplayNews.asp?newsid=3172

My favorite 9er fan was very excited! [smiley=cheers.gif]

The 49ers are looking to a lot of things in this draft.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by DevinM on Feb 25^th, 2006, 2:11am

on 01/02/06 at 22:14:08, Philly wrote:

Rapidly becoming my new fav site, a TON of info I use almost daily.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Mar 23^rd, 2006, 4:10am

Here are two very different '06 NFL Draft-related reports from two major sources represented on "The REAL Feed":

NFL draft heads to Radio City Music Hall (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/03/22/2020.ap.fbn.draft.radio.city.2nd.ld.writethru.0131/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (22.03.2006 17:09)

What do you all think about the venue change? Nothing... Inconsequential... Good... Whatever...???

Scout: Young's 40 time of 4.58 slower than expected (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2380236&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (22.03.2006 18:27)
Quarterback Vince Young was timed in 4.58 seconds in the 40-yard dash Wednesday on what is considered a fast track at the University of Texas in Austin, one NFL scout told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The scout said Young's time was slower than anticipated.

What do you all think about the Vince's 40 time? Nothing... Inconsequential... Not good... Whatever...???

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on Mar 23^rd, 2006, 9:49am

on 03/23/06 at 04:10:41, StegRock wrote:

Well, people can finally stop comparing him to Mr. Vick-torious.
Also, its his SIZE/SPEED combo that makes him dangerous.
He doesn't need to be super fast.
But a QB of that size, once he gets steam rollin,
should do some damage :D

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Mar 26^th, 2006, 4:23pm

on 03/23/06 at 04:10:41, StegRock wrote:

I've never been there. Apparently things weren't good at the Javits center last year. I'm planning to go this year, so I'll let you know how it works.

on 03/23/06 at 04:10:41, StegRock wrote:

The 40 time doesn't bother me at all. I've heard it was a fast track and a slow track... who knows? He's got so many other red flags for me, that the 40 time is the least of my worries.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on Mar 28^th, 2006, 10:04am

Here's a site with links to many mock draft sites.

http://huddlegeeks.com/Links/nflmocks06.htm

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Mar 28^th, 2006, 3:25pm

Worth appending hereto,... from "The REAL Feed":

NFL Draft Compensatory Picks List (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/03/28/2024.ap.fbn.compensatory.picks.list.0469/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (28.03.2006 05:30)

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 1^st, 2006, 7:06pm

News on hopeful wideout prospect... From "The REAL Feed":

WR Holmes' workout carries weight with Dolphins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2392860&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (01.04.2006 10:36)
Santonio Holmes, regarded by many teams as the top wide receiver in the 2006 draft, has addressed a weighty matter that had troubled some scouts.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 3^rd, 2006, 2:01am

A little goodie currently topping "The REAL Feed":

Leinart, Bush work out for NFL coaches, scouts (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/02/2020.ap.fbn.usc.draft.1st.ld.writethru.0860/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (03.04.2006 01:49)

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 3^rd, 2006, 4:14am

And another goodie... from "The REAL Feed"... Bush, as expected; Justice does himself justice:

Bush, Justice shine at USC pro scout workout (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2394532&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (03.04.2006 02:16)
Reggie Bush cemented his status as the likely top pick in the NFL draft and Winston Justice helped his cause at a workout for pro scouts at USC on Sunday.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Apr 4^th, 2006, 11:30am

on 04/03/06 at 04:14:51, StegRock wrote:

Conversely, LenDale White committed draft suicide when he refused to run (stayed in his sweats all day), weighed in at a soft 244 pounds, exhibited a poor attitude (at least from the reports of the scouts I've heard), and benched one more rep (15) than USC punter Tom Malone. There's no doubt that LenDale White excels on the field, but with teams investing millions of dollars in a player of his caliber, do they really want an unmotivated, surly player like White?

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on Apr 4^th, 2006, 1:30pm

on 04/04/06 at 11:30:16, Philly wrote:

Yeah I say he drops to the bottom of round 1 at least. Perhaps the Colts or Jets will take a chance on him.

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 5^th, 2006, 2:29am

Fun read imploring the Texans to stay the course and do the obvious... From "The REAL Feed":

Taking Bush is Texans' wise play (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2006-04-05-saraceno-bush_x.htm)
USA TODAY: NFL (05.04.2006 01:48)
With the first pick in the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select ... " Outgoing draft party host Paul Tagliabue plans to ...

Title: Re: Initial General '06 Draft Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 6^th, 2006, 12:13am

The Saints... hold the chalice... and the key... From "The REAL Feed":

Line of Scrimmage: Saints hold the first-round keys (http://www.fresnobee.com/24hour/sports/football/nfl/story/3251061p-12019527c.html)
Fresno Bee: Football (05.04.2006 15:18)
How ironic that the NFL franchise which saw its 2005 fate fall out of its own control when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans now holds the fate of the rest of the league in its collective hands. ...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 11^th, 2006, 4:13am

Not even a pro yet and he's already calling the shots and firing people... From "The REAL Feed":

Snap decision? QB Leinart fires agent Steinberg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2404458&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (11.04.2006 00:24)
Former USC quarterback Matt Leinart has fired Leigh Steinberg as his agent, sources with the NFL Players Association told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Got to like that take-charge attitude... That's what it takes to be a great NFL quarterback.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on Apr 11^th, 2006, 9:11am

Perhaps the rumors that Tennessee is leaning toward taking Young over Matt is what inspired this move.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 11^th, 2006, 11:43pm

"Professional" mock... From "The REAL Feed":

Mock draft 7.0: Young saga takes another turn (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5492690?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5)
FOXSports.com :: NFL (11.04.2006 15:22)
The weekly saga that is Vince Young and the NFL draft continues as the big day nears. What's the latest turn? It takes place in Tennessee, where Steve McNair and the Titans are on the verge of an ugly split. How will that affect the latest mock draft?

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Apr 12^th, 2006, 10:26am

on 04/11/06 at 04:13:12, StegRock wrote:

Or... maybe he's just being indecisive. Not a great QB trait. (I think that Leinart will be a good NFL QB -- not great, mind you, but good. I see a Trent Green type of player. Someone who will put up some good numbers and enjoy some success, but won't really take the team to the next level himself.)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on Apr 12^th, 2006, 4:07pm

on 04/12/06 at 10:26:31, Philly wrote:

I agree. If I were the Jets I would give Pennington another year & take the top DL/OL(depending on who falls to them at #4) prospect in this draft. There's a good chance Maroney or White will be there at 29 & at 35 maybe you take a chance on Omar Jacobs.

Option A: Matt Leinart & Eric Winston?

or

Option B: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Laurence Maroney & Omar Jacobs?

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Apr 12^th, 2006, 11:28pm

I think it's a given that the Jets could be really bad this year... so if I was them, I'd take D'Brick or Mario Williams at #4, take the best available players (regardless of needs) at #29 and #35, and then grab a top QB prospect with my first rounder in 2007, likely a Brady Quinn, Drew Stanton, etc. type. The Jets still have Pennington and Ramsey to get them through 2006.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 13^th, 2006, 2:15am

By the way, fellas,... don't miss out on all the team-by-team "Draft Previews" on "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)"!!!

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 13^th, 2006, 8:52pm

Some NFL draft stuff from "The REAL Feed"...

Another mock draft for round one:

Line of Scrimmage: Projected First Round - Mocking Allowed (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4015496.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (13.04.2006 12:36)

And, then, this draft-chart busting news... ;) Another college b-ball player with, I can only guess, NFL tight-end aspirations:

UConn basketball player to pursue career in NFL (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/13/2020.ap.fbn.uconn.nelson.1st.ld.writethru.0352/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (13.04.2006 19:33)

In this day and age of superstar tight-ends with college basketball backgrounds, like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates, and the consequent change the position is undergoing, does anybody out there think this guy Nelson has a chance? Philly,... your take!?!?

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 14^th, 2006, 3:42am

Some light is shed on the LenDale White MIA mystery this draft season... From "The REAL Feed":

MRI reveals USC's White has torn hamstring (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (13.04.2006 21:03)
An MRI examination has revealed that LenDale White, whose stock has fallen because of his inability to work out for scouts, has a right hamstring tear that will sideline him for about another month and preclude him from running.

His stock is sure to drop... I am a Broncos fan as most of yous know and am a big fan of Ron Dayne. But, the farther it looks like White is going to fall in the draft, the more I see him going to Denver.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Apr 14^th, 2006, 2:59pm

on 04/13/06 at 20:52:00, StegRock wrote:

After seeing guys like Marcus Pollard, Gonzo, and Gates make it, a number of marginal NBA prospects are going to try to make it as an NFL tight end. I don't know a thing about this UConn kid, as he has just recently thrown his hat into the ring and hasn't even worked out for NFL scouts yet. But he does have the benefit of Linta as an agent (Linta having access to NFL head coaches that he represents). If he's a legit 6'8", then that works against him as an in-line blocker. He's already crossed off the lists of NFL teams looking for a blocking TE. For teams using their TEs extensively in the passing game, he could be an option if he works out well and shows some good football instincts for the scouts.

Last year there were about 8-10 basketball players trying to get a shot at the NFL. One was touted as the "next Antonio Gates" (a player from Pitt whose name escapes me). Only one of those players even made an NFL practice squad (Wesley Duke? - Broncos) and is now learning in NFLEL.

This year, the guy whose name I keep hearing is Jai Lewis from George Mason (yep, the final four GMU squad). Lewis is a 6'6" 270# and passes the NFL eyeball test. NFL scouts have been impressed with him at workouts and it's possible that someone will take a shot on him late in the draft or as a PFA following the draft.

Any of these guys are marginal NFL prospects at best. There are guys who have been honing their skills at the position for 4+ years in college who are safer picks, although they may lack the athleticism of a BB player.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Apr 14^th, 2006, 3:06pm

on 04/14/06 at 03:42:27, StegRock wrote:

It's not the hammy that has the NFL teams upset... it's his attitude. Some teams have taken him off their draft boards completely -- even one that has a first-round RB need. He showed that he has no commitment to the weight room (he did 15 reps at the pro day - one more than punter Tom Malone did) and weighed 244#. He admitted (at the Combine) that he weighed 252 for the Rose Bowl (where he was still very effective). He couldn't even commit himself in the classroom at USC - where he was repeatedly close to becoming academically ineligible. But teams want to know that the player they are giving millions of dollars to is going to be motivated to work his tail off for the team. Teams don't see that in LenDale White.

Regardless, he's still one of the top 5 RBs and won't go any later than early second round -- attitude or not.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 15^th, 2006, 3:34pm

Well,... White and his sore hammy [smiley=injury.gif] and lazy ass [smiley=tired.gif] are going to make some rounds here as the draft starts looming larger and larger. From "The REAL Feed":

USC's White hits road to visit with NFL teams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2409706&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (15.04.2006 11:48)
Torn hamstring and all, Southern California tailback LenDale White will hit the road next week, visiting with a number of NFL teams and hoping that prospective employers don't tell him to, well, hit the road.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 17^th, 2006, 2:58am

Nice LOCAL piece currently atop "The REAL Feed" detailing Vince Young's situation entering the draft:

What will the NFL do with Vince Young? (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/sports/football/14356516.htm)
News Sentinel: Sports - Football (17.04.2006 02:12)
The last time we saw Vince Young, the Texas quarterback was awash in confetti, standing amid the adulation and glory that went with winning the national championship.Dolphins eyeing Vince YoungMatt Leinart could step into Broadway Joe's Madison Avenue shoesJets plan on talking to Reggie Bush, to...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 17^th, 2006, 8:55pm

Another take... From "The REAL Feed":

Our NFL Czar blogs the NFL draft (http://blogs.foxsports.com/NFL_Czar/2006/04/17/Just_visiting)
FOXSports.com :: NFL (17.04.2006 16:36)
Our NFL Czar has loads of draft tidbits for you, including the one significant player the New Orleans Saints haven't scheduled a visit with as they try to decide whom to select with the No. 2 overall pick. Plus, will anyone trade up for Matt Leinart?

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 18^th, 2006, 7:03pm

From "The REAL Feed"...

Leinart gets a rep...

Leinart completes agent shuffle, picks Condon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2412846&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (18.04.2006 17:12)
Agent Tom Condon confirmed Tuesday afternoon that he has been hired by Southern California quarterback winner Matt Leinart.

And, a report that says, "Who cares," to that, "It's all about keeping your eye on QB's that go late in the draft..."

Smith: Late-round QBs find success in NFL (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2412391&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (18.04.2006 14:45)
Recent history shows that numerous teams have thrived with quarterbacks who weren't drafted in the first round.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 20^th, 2006, 2:48pm

A handful of draft tidbits from off "The REAL Feed"... Everything from...

...another college b-ball player (mentioned above by Philly) looking to play tight-end in the NFL...

GMU's Lewis Auditions (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/19/AR2006041902315.html)
Washington Post: Sports (20.04.2006 01:18)
George Mason's Jai Lewis will audition for at least seven NFL teams, including the Redskins, at an Alexandria training center.

...to a bona fide college quarterback looking to play at any position in the NFL...

Dreaming of QB, Robinson aims to please elsewhere in NFL (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/20/2020.ap.fbn.draft.robinson.0801/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (20.04.2006 05:00)

...to two Sports Illustrated articles (side-by-side on "The REAL Feed") selling us further on promising QB prospect Cutler (as if we need anymore hype surround this kid)...

Bio Box: Jay Cutler (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/19/2020.ap.fbn.nfl.draft.cutler.bio.box.adv22.23.0193/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (20.04.2006 00:00)

DRAFT 2006: SEC player of year ready to prove doubters wrong (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/19/2020.ap.fbn.draft.cutler.adv22.23.1108/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (20.04.2006 00:00)

...to a little ditty about "luck [smiley=shamrock.gif] and the NFL Draft"...

Analysis aside, luck also behind NFL draft success (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/14382616.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_football)
Sports: NFL / Football -- Charlotte.com (20.04.2006 11:12)
First of all, the Colts' coaching staff wanted to draft Dan Marino. Can you believe that? Their head coach, Frank Kush, had coached Marino at the Senior Bowl before the 1983 draft and fell in love with his arm, his mind, the complete gunslinger package.

Sit back and enjoy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 20^th, 2006, 9:46pm

Here's a yummy team-by-team draft pick analysis... From "The REAL Feed":

DRAFT 2006: Team capsules entering the NFL draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/20/2020.ap.fbn.draft.capsules.adv22.23.1st.ld.writethru.6059/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (20.04.2006 21:04)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 22^nd, 2006, 1:38am

Bunch of Draft-related goodies from "The REAL Feed"...

Smith: Confident Justice puts past behind him (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2416437&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (21.04.2006 14:39)
Winston Justice believes he's the best OT prospect in the draft. Now he just has to get teams to believe he's a changed man.

The skier comes back to his true love - football (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/21/2020.ap.fbn.draft.bloom.0913/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (21.04.2006 13:00)

Bush says he's not demanding a $30-million signing bonus (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/14391353.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_football)
Sports: NFL / Football -- Charlotte.com (21.04.2006 09:00)
Former USC tailback Reggie Bush still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL draft, but Thursday he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him.

Dolphins likely to go for defense in 1st round (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/14389910.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_football)
Sports: NFL / Football -- Charlotte.com (21.04.2006 09:00)
The Miami Dolphins' first pick in the NFL draft next week will likely be someone who can tackle.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 22^nd, 2006, 3:09pm

Pessimistic view of sorts of the Draft... Currently atop "The REAL Feed":

NFL draft is guessing game at best (http://www.fresnobee.com/24hour/sports/football/nfl/story/3268140p-12062616c.html)
Fresno Bee: Football (22.04.2006 14:12)
(AP) - When Keyshawn Johnson was taken by the New York Jets with the first pick in the 1996 NFL draft, it was assumed he would be a superstar. ...

With these two qualifications, 1) be into whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt others (if this is your schtick, by all means have at it) and 2) understand that I realize that during this deep offseason period the NFL Draft offers us football-starved meatheads some sort of fodder,... I must admit that I find the NFL Draft to be more hype than anything. It's a time of hope for fans of all teams. It's also a time of hope in the sense of its being about the youngsters [smiley=newbie.gif] who are going to be given an opportunity to try their hand at this NFL game and bring new lifeblood to it. It's a day when things get flipped around and, by and large, the bad teams get to be in the spotlight while the good teams on the field take the backseat. It's also yet another fun event to take a shot with your friends on predicting. But, at the end of the day, who the hell knows what it all means? It probably has more "meaning" in a fantasy light, i.e., it's probably easier to discern how well-positioned for success on the fantasy gridiron a player is (at least in the early going) given the team he was selected by than what kind or level of "real-world" impact he will have on his team (in the immediacy or long-run). As such, the growth of fantasy football is what I believe has fueled the growth in popularity of the NFL Draft, an event that's really just about a handful of big names and the glory of the day itself. Beyond that, by and large, from an "NFL" perspective, it's really more detailing than anything else, and, even at that, much of this detail work won't even last... or even be noticed. :-/

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 23^rd, 2006, 3:56pm

This is a fun, quick read from the AP that's being propagated by news sources... From "The REAL Feed":

Few secrets left in NFL draft (http://www.kentucky.com/mld/twincities/sports/football/14408096.htm?source=rss&channel=twincities_football)
St. Paul Pioneer Press: Football (23.04.2006 10:12)
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - One day more than 30 years ago, a salesman walked into the offices of the Dallas Cowboys hoping to unload some artwork.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 23^rd, 2006, 7:15pm

My (message icon is my) way of saying this guy's #1... ;)

Anyway, are we looking at this year's Maurice Clarett? From "The REAL Feed":

Bio Box: Marcus Vick (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/23/2020.ap.fbn.nfl.draft.vick.bio.box.0166/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (23.04.2006 18:06)

Marcus Vick: Just looking for a chance after troubled college career (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/23/2020.ap.fbn.nfl.draft.marcus.vick.1548/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (23.04.2006 18:06)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 23^rd, 2006, 11:09pm

Hmmmm... Whatchyas make of this? ... From "The REAL Feed":

Residence of Bush's parents to be probed (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/sports/football/14412919.htm)
News Sentinel: Sports - Football (23.04.2006 21:33)
The Pac-10 said Sunday it will investigate the reported connection between a home where Reggie Bush's family lived and a man who sought to market the Southern California star tailback. » Mock draft | Bush rated the best of backs as White's stock dropsMario Williams might be the best anywher...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 25^th, 2006, 12:19am

First off, any thoughts on this Pac-10 probe of Bush's family residence???

...

And, here are some more Draft nuggets EACH and EVERY one from sources on "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)":

Cardinals should draft tackle Justice with first pick (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/winston-justice-cardinals240306.php)
NFL News: RealFootball365.com (24.04.2006 11:09)
Cardinals' fans should hope to hear that from NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue on Saturday.

Packers can send Favre a message with pick (http://blogs.foxsports.com/NFL_Czar/2006/04/24/Sending_a_message)
FOXSports.com :: NFL (24.04.2006 19:27)
If the Packers are trying to convince Brett Favre to stick around one more year, our NFL Czar says in his draft blog they can convey that message by making Maryland tight end Vernon Davis the fifth overall pick.

Mr. Draftpick, answer the question! (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/14416397.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_football)
Sports: NFL / Football -- Charlotte.com (24.04.2006 08:39)
Patriots tight end Benjamin Watson, whose draft-year Wonderlic score of 41 in 2004 is among the highest of any player in the NFL, felt his intelligence was insulted when the Cleveland Browns subjected him to an interrogation apparently borrowed from film noir.

Pasquarelli: Ngata ready to make big impact (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2419206&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (24.04.2006 13:50)
Haloti Ngata has overcome the devastating loss of both of his parents in the last four years, becoming a dominating DT and a possible top-10 pick.

...

And, then, a, so to speak, "anti-draft" two-piece series...

DRAFT 2006: List of undrafted players who went on to have productive NFL careers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/24/2020.ap.fbn.draft.undrafted.stars.list.0340/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (24.04.2006 04:18)

DRAFT 2006: Undrafted college football players sometimes become NFL stars (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/24/2020.ap.fbn.draft.undrafted.stars.1087/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (24.04.2006 04:18)

...

And, back in the spirit of things, a little point, counter-point...

Smith: Williams is the right choice over Bush (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2419503&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (24.04.2006 13:50)
If the Texans are more focused on a Super Bowl title and not short-term ticket sales, they should draft DE Mario Williams.

DRAFT 2006: Bush No. 1 no matter what the "experts'' say (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/24/2020.ap.fbn.predicting.the.draft.1327/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (24.04.2006 18:15)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on Apr 25^th, 2006, 9:15am

Reggie Bush will become a pro on Saturday. Therefore regardless of the results from the investigation it will only affect USC.

I've been hearing the Cardinals may just pass on Cutler. If Justice isn't there they could take Ernie Sims. They've had a history of reaching in the 1st round.

Packers are shopping Javon Walker so it's conceivable that they could take Davis. However I still think Hawk is their guy.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 25^th, 2006, 4:11pm

More Draft tools for you all's tool belts, including screw drivers and wrenches from LOCAL and other SPECIAL-featured sources... Courtesy of "The REAL Feed":

Bio Box: DeAngelo Williams (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/25/2020.ap.fbn.draft.williams.bio.box.0206/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (25.04.2006 04:45)

DRAFT 2006: Memphis' Williams ready to prove he's big enough for NFL (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/25/2020.ap.fbn.draft.williams.0779/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (25.04.2006 04:45)

Greenway firmly rooted in country upbringing (http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/football/14419944.htm?source=rss&channel=twincities_football)
St. Paul Pioneer Press: Football (25.04.2006 04:45)
Chad Greenway is expected to be selected this weekend in the first round of the NFL draft. Some projections have the 6-foot-2, 242-pound linebacker being chosen by the Vikings at No. 17.

Chiefs should look to CB's in first round (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/kansas-city-chiefs250406.php)
NFL News: RealFootball365.com (25.04.2006 07:36)
With the NFL Draft approaching, the Kansas City Chiefs find themselves in an all too familiar state; they need defensive aid, and they need it immediately.

Mock draft 9.0: Saints hold key to top 10 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5536544?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=23)
FOXSports.com :: NFL (25.04.2006 14:42)
With the NFL draft just days away, the great enigmas of the first round continue to be what will happen to Vince Young and the Saints' plans. In this first mock draft that projects all of Saturday's picks, see where Young falls to and who will be pick No. 97.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 26^th, 2006, 10:26pm

More goodies off "The REAL Feed":

DRAFT 2006: Young is the ultimate conundrum for NFL scouts (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/26/2020.ap.fbn.draft.young.2nd.ld.writethru.1117/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (26.04.2006 17:48)

NFL Mock Draft - Part I (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4017458.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (26.04.2006 11:21)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 28^th, 2006, 2:42am

An ALL Bush update... But, the news on neither front is particularly good. :-/ From "The REAL Feed":

NFLPA: Bush victim of threats by agent (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2424883&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (28.04.2006 01:27)
The NFLPA and NFL Security has concluded that sports agent David Caravantes and marketing company New Era Sports used an attorney to try and force USC running back Reggie Bush to pay them $3.2 million after Bush decided not to sign with the group.

Sources: Little progress in Bush-Texans negotiations (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2424706&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (27.04.2006 23:09)
With the clock ticking toward noon Saturday, the Houston Texans are going to have to make considerable progress in a short period of time if the team is to complete a contract agreement with Southern California tailback Reggie Bush before the start of the

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 28^th, 2006, 8:49am

Another nugget... From "The REAL Feed":

Still some guesswork beyond Reggie Bush at No. 1 (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/sports/football/14446159.htm)
News Sentinel: Sports - Football (28.04.2006 03:24)
The storm before the NFL draft is calming down as Saturday's decisions near. » Lawyer issues statement on Reggie Bush | Mock draftCFL interested in Williams; Dolphins interested in Javon WalkerFavre informs Packers he will return in 2006NFL draft veterans offer free adviceESPN draft guru Ki...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 29^th, 2006, 12:30am

A couple of 11th-hour goodies... from "The REAL Feed":

Clayton: QB mystery will shape top of draft (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2425142&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (28.04.2006 17:00)
Despite some intrigue surrounding the No. 1 overall pick, it will be the top three QBs who shape the top of the draft, writes John Clayton.

NFL Mock Draft - Part II (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4017786.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (28.04.2006 17:30)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 29^th, 2006, 2:21am

As the hours count down [smiley=ontheclock.gif] and things slowly start to break, the goodies continue to roll off "The REAL Feed":

Mark Maske's Mock NFL Draft (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042802370.html)
Washington Post: Sports (29.04.2006 01:18)
1. Texans: Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State He's signed, in large part because he was willing to accept a contract Reggie Bush rejected.

DRAFT 2006: Profiles of top defensive players by position (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/28/2024.ap.fbn.draft.player.profiles.defense.adv22.23.1256/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (28.04.2006 21:53)

DRAFT 2006: Profiles of top offensive players by position (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/04/28/2024.ap.fbn.draft.player.profiles.offense.1st.add.adv22.23.1097/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (28.04.2006 21:53)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 29^th, 2006, 3:21pm

Hey, guys... I just woke up (here in Hawaii) a little bit ago. I've only caught the Viking's, Cowboy's and Charger's picks. Anyway, I saw who my [smiley=smitten.gif] Donkeys [smiley=broncofan.gif] took, Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler. From the relatively little attention I've paid to things (mainly just headlines on "The REAL Feed" and a comment here and there the few times I've flicked ESPN on over the past couple months), I've gathered that the reviews are mixed. Early on, it seemed like he was being hyped up big-time; later on, it seemed like opinion on him cooled way down. What is you all's take on him and why Denver moved up, no less, to get him? As a Denver fan, I don't really get it. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Also, secondary ponderings...

What happens to Deuce McAllister now that Reggie is in town?

How long does Kurt Warner remain the starter now that Matt Leinart is in town?

(Added with edit: ) What about Corey Dillon with Maroney now in town?

(Added with second edit: ) And, now, what about DeShaun Foster/Eric Shelton with the pick of Williams?

And, a general question...

Why are all the receivers and tailbacks falling?

HELP me understand! [smiley=dunce.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 29^th, 2006, 6:22pm

I'm still awaiting response to this...

on 04/29/06 at 15:21:17, StegRock wrote:

LenDale White to Tennessee... YUCK!!! :P

I do think that Joseph Addai becomes the most intriguing prospect from a fantasy perspective. People will knee-jerk want to take Bush first while Addai may be the best pick,... and I don't mean just in the immediacy. Fantasy football analysis is all about the player VIS-A-VIS his circumstance...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by junkyardjake on Apr 29^th, 2006, 7:29pm

on 04/29/06 at 18:22:51, StegRock wrote:

I do think that Joseph Addai becomes the most intriguing prospect from a fantasy perspective. People will knee-jerk want to take Bush first while Addai may be the best pick,... and I don't mean just in the immediacy. Fantasy football analysis is all about the player VIS-A-VIS his circumstance...

[smiley=bullseye.gif]

I think you might be right about that Steg, Addai was pretty unheralded for the all the blabbering we heard about Bush, Williams, White and Maroney, but he is a very solid player. Philly actually had the Colts taking him in the 1st round (nice job dude!).

[smiley=cheerleader.gif]

Addai may be faster, in terms of straight-line speed, than Reggie Bush, he has decent size, blocks well, and is an asset in the passing game. Of course 'stright-line speed', and whatever kind of speed you call what Reggie Bush can do after he gets the ball are entirely two different things, but the big plus for Addai, is that he shouldn't have any problem becoming the new Colts starter, and as you are suggesting, that is HUGE.

on 04/29/06 at 15:21:17, StegRock wrote:

What happens to Deuce McAllister now that Reggie is in town?

How long does Kurt Warner remain the starter now that Matt Leinart is in town?

(Added with edit: ) What about Corey Dillon with Maroney now in town?

(Added with second edit: ) And, now, what about DeShaun Foster/Eric Shelton with the pick of Williams?

Of course, just because Bush ended up in a very crappy situation, like KillerKing has alluded to, Reggie Bush might have been the first wide receiver taken in the draft this year. Arguably, he just became the Saints best receiver, and regardless of what happens with McAllister, he should have a strong contribution fantasy-wise, just not anything that matches all the mind-numbing hype I think we've heard for 5 months now.

How long does Kurt Warner remain the starter now that Matt Leinart is in town?

I am going to guess not very long, in fact there is no reason why Leinart can't beat out Warner by August.

What about Corey Dillon with Maroney now in town?

Dillon has been so injury-prone the last few seasons, this was a great move for the Patriots (although not as good as stealing Chad Jackson in the 2nd round). I think Maroney gets really involved as early as this season and is a terrific keeper.

And, now, what about DeShaun Foster/Eric Shelton with the pick of Williams?

I hate the D'Angelo Williams pick for the Panthers, I had hoped that they take a chance on LenDale White. Of course DeShaun Foster is great when he plays, but can only manage to stay healthy for around 5 and half games each season, so Williams might be decent fantasy-wise.

Eric Shelton just became the 5th string RB for the Panthers, behind Foster, Williams, Goings and Hoover. Shelton is too lumbering and slow to fill the role of feature RB, he's really a fullback. (Maybe the new Mike Alstott?)

As far as the Broncos taking Cutler, I really don't get that either, I guess Shanahan was the only guy that wasn't impressed that Plummer finally impersonated a real NFL QB last year.

They really should have drafted a damn pass-rushing lineman. Kamerion Wimbley, who went two spots later, would have been a more useful pick for them. [smiley=twocents.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 30^th, 2006, 12:28am

Thanks for the response, Jakeman... [smiley=bow.gif]

Here's a little day-one analysis from "The REAL Feed":

Clayton: Winners and losers from Day 1 of NFL draft (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2427335&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (29.04.2006 22:20)
By adding the QB of their future and a veteran WR, the Broncos were big winners on Day 1 of the draft.

And, here's a nice cumulative list of day one's selections currently topping "The REAL Feed":

NFL Draft Update -- Day One (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4018052.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (29.04.2006 23:33)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 30^th, 2006, 5:07pm

on 04/29/06 at 19:29:46, junkyardjake wrote:

I hate the D'Angelo Williams pick for the Panthers, I had hoped that they take a chance on LenDale White. Of course DeShaun Foster is great when he plays, but can only manage to stay healthy for around 5 and half games each season, so Williams might be decent fantasy-wise.

Eric Shelton just became the 5th string RB for the Panthers, behind Foster, Williams, Goings and Hoover. Shelton is too lumbering and slow to fill the role of feature RB, he's really a fullback. (Maybe the new Mike Alstott?)

I agree about the pick. I too hate it. BUT, it is WAY TOO early to characterize Shelton thusly. I think the Williams selection threatens Foster more than Shelton, especially in light of Foster's history of injuries. I don't think their roster of running backs can be lined up linearly the way you do. I still think that the Panthers would like Shelton to become the next Davis and, then, either Foster or Williams fulfilling that complementary role. They've had A LOT of success with that model. I know there are questions surrounding him, but all I know is that his preseason numbers last year were not the horror show I expected them to be given what I was hearing. They were actually pretty decent for a rook. I know that's not the whole story, but he was a hell of a college player who hasn't gotten his chance yet on the NFL gridiron, and I'm not so sure he won't. I just know it's WAY TOO early to assume he is going to be the next Mike Alstott. We didn't even think that of Mike Alstott this quickly. ;) ... [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 30^th, 2006, 7:26pm

Recap of day two... currently topping "The REAL Feed":

NFL Draft Update -- Day Two (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4018203.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (30.04.2006 18:15)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Apr 30^th, 2006, 10:41pm

Post-Draft goodie from "The REAL Feed":

Line of Scrimmage: Grading the NFL Draft - Part I: The NFC (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4018233.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (30.04.2006 21:24)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 1^st, 2006, 7:04am

Nice little post-draft assessment... A quick read from "The REAL Feed":

Grading the draft (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/sports/football/14468641.htm)
News Sentinel: Sports - Football (30.04.2006 22:12)
After two days and 255 picks from Mario Williams to Mr. Irrelevant, WR Kevin McMahan from Maine, the NFL draft has concluded. It's time for some grades: » Cutler says he's as good as Young, LeinartThe second day of the NFL draft is for converted QBsDefense dominates first round as Trojans d...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 1^st, 2006, 1:40pm

on 04/29/06 at 15:21:17, StegRock wrote:

Steg, don't worry. Cutler is going to be dynamite IMO. This coupled w/ getting Javon Walker - fantastic start to a draft.

Quote:

Also, secondary ponderings...

What happens to Deuce McAllister now that Reggie is in town?

Bush is multi-talented and will be used in such a way. the Saints return game hasn't reaLLY been the same since KR Micheal lewis led the NFL a few years back as returner but,
not much since thaT time.

Joe Horn is getting older though, still a threat - they really haven't locked onto a #2 or #3 receiver :

enter Reggie Bush.

McCallister is injury prone. As a big time back up or a game speller for McCallister : enter Bush.

All this on a superdome turf?

And the attitude that he lost out on the #1 pick (losing about 6 mil in guaranteed buckos)

Bush will flourish in this type of environment.

Quote:

How long does Kurt Warner remain the starter now that Matt Leinart is in town?

Well, its status-quo to say that Leinart will take over whenever Warner goes down w/ injury - but, how can you predict injury? and when?...........

Usually when top QB talent falls to greater teams, this would be a recipe for a stud-in-making; ala Roethlisberger and Marino;

so eye out on Leinart and Cutler..............and watch for Young to fail IF he is forced to start his career to early as a starter in Tennessee,

And about Young - what does passing on Leinart in saturday's draft say about what Ten. (Norm Chow) thinks of Vince Young's talents??????...........................................sweet.

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(Added with edit: ) What about Corey Dillon with Maroney now in town?

Great pick - should spell Dillon some and while adding bulk, eventually take over in some time (year or 2).
But FF'ers, New England isn't a Fantasy haven and moreso a team concept so, think that one over.

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(Added with second edit: ) And, now, what about DeShaun Foster/Eric Shelton with the pick of Williams?

Can't have enough RBs in Carolina - thats for sure. Propensity of DeAngelo's injuries though, coupled w/ Caro's history of injured RBs,

makes for a dismal projection here.
However, if De-Williams can stay healthy,

He'll be a star in the Panther's scheme.

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And, a general question...

Why are all the receivers and tailbacks falling?

HELP me understand! [smiley=dunce.gif]

Receivers, in general, are less than stellar this year. backs are falling due to team needs - its that simple.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 1^st, 2006, 3:28pm

Norm Chow has nothing to do with it. Both Fisher and Chow wanted Leinart. The ownership wanted Young. You can see who won that battle.

Billy Volek will start this year for Tennessee, and maybe next year too. Young is nowhere ready to be a starting QB in the NFL. He needs to learn how to read reads and check off and pick up where the blitz is coming from....and a whole lot of other stuff, including how to take snaps under center (he used the shotgun 99% of the time at Texas.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 1^st, 2006, 6:56pm

on 05/01/06 at 15:28:08, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Norm Chow has nothing to do with it. Both Fisher and Chow wanted Leinart. The ownership wanted Young. You can see who won that battle.

Thinking that Norm Chow had absolutly nothing to do with this decision is somewhat of a gullable perception IMO.
Hes the OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR and one that had hands down experience with Lienart.
This means he had a LOT of input as to the potential of Leinart.

The Ownership/GM of Tenn. isn't so BLIND (another gullable perveption IMO) that they wouldn't at LEAST take in the information that Chow had to offer. And not only listen to it BUT ALSO put emphasis on it in conjunction to their decision-making as to which QB they would go with.

This is exactly WHY this pick of Young over Lienart is worth it's weight in gold AND speaks volumes of the potential talent and quarterbacking skills of Vince Young.

Fisher is a GREAT talent evaluator. For someone to think that he and his experienced o-coordinator has absolutely no weight within a draft pick decision - especially one that the OC has up close relations with - is ignoring the obvious.

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Billy Volek will start this year for Tennessee, and maybe next year too. Young is nowhere ready to be a starting QB in the NFL. He needs to learn how to read reads and check off and pick up where the blitz is coming from....and a whole lot of other stuff, including how to take snaps under center (he used the shotgun 99% of the time at Texas.

Every college QB needs to learn all that stuff you eluding to.
Carson Palmer played in a Pro-Style Offense and still needed time to develop before he showcased his NFL skills.
I am not sure of your point here?

And as for Volek - Kerry Collins would be a great F.A. pick-up to start AHEAD of Volek.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 1^st, 2006, 7:24pm

KKS,

Not that I don't think you are knowledgable when it comes to fantasy football (no one on this site toots their own hore more than you, believe me, I've read your posts on your league site.) Read my second sentence. I said, Chow and Fisher wanted Leinart...badly!!!!!But Bud Adams and Co. wanted Young. It goes back to past year. Fisher wanted Pacman Jones, the ownership wanted someone else. Fisher won. Right now, that looks like a bad decision. The ownership did not want that to happen again. Thus, the Young pick, not Leinart.

If you even watched or paid attention to the NFL network on the days leading up to the draft, you would have heard the announcers talking about how split the Titans were about which QB to pick. Chow and Fisher wanted Lineart in the worst way. Chow did have imput, but the ownership did not agree.

As for learning the NFL game, some QBs (like Palmer and Leinart) are ahead of the curve because the play in a pro styled offense in college. If you think Young is more polished than Leinart right now, today, then maybe I gave you too much credit and you don't know as much about football as I think you do.

As for Collins, that would be a good fit, I agree. But, I think Volek will do just fine too. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 1^st, 2006, 7:48pm

on 05/01/06 at 19:24:46, BarnabyWilde wrote:

KKS,

Not that I don't think you are knowledgable when it comes to fantasy football (no one on this site toots their own hore more than you, believe me, I've read your posts on your league site.)

Barn-a-Bee babe-bee!!!!

Thanks man - but seriously, the blowing of my horn - is all just in fun - and that all it is - this I can assure you - I hold myself no higher of a knowledge expert in the world of pro-football than anyone else and in fact - really - you give me too much credit -

but I thank you for the props (I guess?)

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Read my second sentence. I said, Chow and Fisher wanted Leinart...badly!!!!!But Bud Adams and Co. wanted Young. It goes back to past year. Fisher wanted Pacman Jones, the ownership wanted someone else. Fisher won. Right now, that looks like a bad decision. The ownership did not want that to happen again. Thus, the Young pick, not Leinart.

I have heard this scenario and actually - this is a great example of your rationale behind your thinking - in fact - its an awesome one! (one that I didn't even factor in).

However, in a draft in which the NFL wanted to nmake a strong statement - and that statement being - CHARACTER FLAWS WILL COST YOU BIG TIME BUCK-A-ROOS!!!!

Its hardly FAIR to compare Pac-Man to Vince Young seeming that, Young is a stand-up guy in ways Pac-Man can't even realize.
Or better yet, to compare the Pac-Man Jones character flaws to Jeff Fisher's talent eval abilities - I just don't connect the 2 scenarios in conjunction with this present one.

Though, just my opinion bro!

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If you even watched or paid attention to the NFL network on the days leading up to the draft, you would have heard the announcers talking about how split the Titans were about which QB to pick. Chow and Fisher wanted Lineart in the worst way. Chow did have imput, but the ownership did not agree.

Hey man, some of us do NOT have the NFL network - sorry man but even so - if i did - the week leading up to the draft - is probably the most UNBELIEVABLE week in NFL draft history.

No guarantees even if i did follow that specific network - I would actually believe it.

In fact, have you seen Fisher interviewed? Holy bags of manauer babe-bee - this guy has the sneakiest face and even moreso - his answers - i don't put weight on much of what he DIRECTLY says.

Basically, even without the NFL network, I have heard what you are eluding to. And beoing that The Titans were holding ALL the cards in the draft at that 3rd spot - hey!!!! if i were s smart coach, GM- owner - I would be saying the same thing.

Make other teams, who might be interested in either QB - move up to get their man,

really, thats what I think all of that was all about.

Mind you, I do believe that Chow and Fisher liked Lienart better BUT,

they must have liked something about Young - and they must have liked him more than they were initially leading on - otherwise, I don't think Young would have been drafted over Leinart in this situation.

Nothing spells disaster like a HC and OC COMPLETELY disagreeing with their GM/Owner counterparts on the talents of their #3 overall draft pick.

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As for learning the NFL game, some QBs (like Palmer and Leinart) are ahead of the curve because the play in a pro styled offense in college. If you think Young is more polished than Leinart right now, today, then maybe I gave you too much credit and you don't know as much about football as I think you do.

Barn-a-babe-bee, thats fine man. Seriously, I don't hold importance of what you or anyone else thinks of my football intelligence. It does very little for me if I only value what YOU and/or others think of my opinions. if that were the case - I would have paid much more for Priest Holmes last year than I did and this year - would be crying for it - all because - a more experienced FF'er than myself - said I should have paid more.

This isn't a knock on you and I do respect your outlook but,

hey, if you don't agree with me on a subject - thats fine - I actually enjoy hearing other opinions and insights.

But I certainly wouldn't bash their expertise just because they differ from me here or there.

By the way - when did I ever say that Young is more ready than Leinart to play NFL QB?

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 2^nd, 2006, 1:34am

It's all good bro. I was not knocking you, for I believe you are a good guy, and I know no one on this site (except for maybe Steggie) likes a good debate when it comes to football!

I guess we'll have to see who is a better QB, 2, 3 or even 4 years from now. I think the Titnas will be kicking themselves for drafting Young instead of Leinart.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 2^nd, 2006, 3:25am

on 05/02/06 at 01:34:29, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I know no one on this site (except for maybe Steggie) likes a good debate when it comes to football!

[smiley=ssoscar.gif]

[smiley=whistle.gif]

Some more goodies from "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)"... Of particular interest, do NOT miss the Draft REVIEW pieces from The Sports Network/Fresno Bee...

Cincinnati Bengals 2006 NFL Draft Review (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/ABN4018365.htm)
The Sports Network: NFL (01.05.2006 16:53)

Chicago Bears 2006 NFL Draft Review (http://www.fresnobee.com/24hour/sports/football/nfl/story/3276691p-12085039c.html)
Fresno Bee: Football (01.05.2006 17:53

Here's a couple more tidbits to munch on... [smiley=popcorn.gif]

Eagles scored in draft: Here's how they did it (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9411240/rss)
CBS SportsLine.com NFL News (01.05.2006 23:01)
The Philadelphia Eagles had one of the better weekends in the NFL Draft, making deals to land players they coveted. Clark Judge and Eagles personnel man Tom Heckert run down how they did it.

Football: Now that's crossover. (http://www.sportsfilter.com/comments.cfm/6754)
SportsFilter (02.05.2006 00:12)
lil_brown_bat: Olympic moguls skier Jeremy Bloom said he'd do it, and he did: went straight from the Torino Olympics to the NFL combine in Indianapolis, and then entered the NFL draft, where he was picked up by the Philadelphia Eagles in the fifth round. Bloom played two seasons on special team...

I'm curious... Do any of you have any thoughts about this skier Jeremy Bloom's cross (back) over to football? To the NFL??? Any chance he'll make it??? [smiley=idontknow.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 2^nd, 2006, 9:48am

on 05/02/06 at 03:25:29, StegRock wrote:

I'm curious... Do any of you have any thoughts about this skier Jeremy Bloom's cross (back) over to football? To the NFL??? Any chance he'll make it??? [smiley=idontknow.gif]

I used to frequent dating sites on the internet -upon doing so, in reading all the chick-bios (its how I met Dukette [smiley=hooters.gif] actually [smiley=laugh.gif]),
most all the Chick-a-saurus' always said they could change from a pair of "working in the yard" blue jeans to a elegant evening wear gown for dinner - and this being done within a New York Minute.

Its basically how I view this Bloom kid. He could go from skiing in the olympics to playing for the NFL.

Fantasy-wise, unless you include major points for a return specialist then, early on, he won't be much of a FF star as his abilities will focus in that area.
However, later on down the road, I can see this kid perhaps striking up a career much like Buffalo's former wideout (in Jim Kelly days and then later with the GB Pack) Don "BB" (full name is lost on my memory-sorry) as a productive smallish wideout - which by the way, as most everyone knows,

the small WRs are getting the rock more often these days due to the NFL's 5 yard chuck rules.

I like him! Hard work ethic and outstanding character mixed with great talent.

Its a recipe for succcess.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on May 2^nd, 2006, 9:59am

I don't know about Bloom, but the return specialist that I'm excited to see at the next level is Skyler Green. Cowboys drafted him in the 4th round shortly after my Pats & his old coach Saban passed on him. I was especially dissapointed we took a kicker in favor of the speedy Tiger. ::) However I think he'll be great as a retuner & has an outside chance of making it as 4th WR in a spread formation.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 2^nd, 2006, 10:01am

on 05/02/06 at 01:34:29, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Thanks Barn-a-Bee!!!! I feel the same in regards to your character!
Its so difficult to predict the future of these guys - no doubt!
I happen to feel all 3 of the top QBs drafted will be successful.
Vince vertainly has the "boom or bust" tag written all over him though. But with his talent in addition to his work ethic and if the same coaching staff stays at Tennessee,
I believe Norm Chow will coach this guy up.

Leinart is in the perfect situation. I like him a lot as well. I think Bidwell, long taunted as the NFL's basement of owners,
is starting to turn the corner on that tag - as the addition of a great coach (Denny Green), and now the Edge, a dynamic offense in the making, and a defense that doesn't get it's due respect,
should all start to pay off once that OLINE is shored up a bit.

And for me, thats one KEY to Lienart's success as, he is a bit injury-prone and if he starts taking too many hits,
he may not be on the field enough for us to grade him out.

And Cutler, with his arm strength and the Mile High "air-lift" factor,
should become dynamite!!!!!!!! throwing to Javon Walker - a missle in cleats,
and now drafting Tight Ends as well,
its a fantastic beginning to what I view a very productive career for the Donks.

By the way, the Donks not drafting a RB, whats that say for the potentials of Ron Dayne this year? ;)

To me, its a can't miss situation for all 3 passers.

I do think its important for all 3 to sit and learn for a while though, before being thrown to the NFL defensive wolves.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on May 2^nd, 2006, 1:49pm

Hey guys...

I spent all day Sunday at the draft (would've been there Saturday, but a good friend had a bachelor party scheduled). It was my first time at the draft (I was sitting between the ESPN platform and the stage). I thought it was a very interesting draft...

I loved what the Eagles did. Waiting on Bunkley and Justice, and then moving to get Jean-Gilles! Wow! Bloom is going to be the Eagles return specialist. He's already becoming a fan favorite in Philly. Gocong is a guy I've talked to a couple times. Great athlete, smart player, great person. He's going to be moved to SAM, where I think he'll struggle a bit initially.

Steg... Jay Cutler was my fave QB in this draft. I think he has the highest ceiling of the big three. Denver will be a perfect situation for him. They reached a bit for Scheffler, who will be good, but he wouldn't have been there in round 4 when they picked next. Kuper and Eslinger were tremendous picks on the second day. Hixon went too early, Dumervil will struggle in the NFL. Marshall could be a nice pick for the Broncos.

Leinart did very well sliding to Arizona. He'll learn for a year under Warner and have some great weapons at his disposal once he gets in the game. Young is going to struggle big time. Volek will start, but I'll bet Young is getting PT before the season is half over. The team is going to struggle and Young isn't ready for the NFL yet. (Fisher and Chow wanted Leinart -- they feel he is the better immediate QB and gives them the best chance to win soon. But Fisher and Chow have to win to keep their jobs. Reese wanted Young and Bud Adams made the final decision. Adams is a Texas guy and loves Young's marketability and high ceiling--and is willing to risk the low floor.)

Carolina had a great draft. Every one of their players could contribute this year. Cleveland could surprise - they did a great job in free agency and had a great draft too.

San Fran had a great draft too. Davis and Lawson in round one are great, but they got some good picks in the later rounds too.

Chicago, Washington, and Buffalo all struck out this draft.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by sameoldsameold on May 2^nd, 2006, 1:55pm

Oh washington attended the draft? i had no idea! I mean with all 5 of their picks....4 being on the second day....i forgot they even showed up!

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on May 2^nd, 2006, 2:44pm

I thought the Rams & Packers had a good draft as well.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 2^nd, 2006, 2:55pm

I think even though they passed on Bush, which was the right move, the Texans had a great draft. I think the Eagles, 49ers and Browns also had very good drafts

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Callie on May 2^nd, 2006, 2:57pm

Hey Philly. Were you one of the guys chanting for the Raiders to take Vick as Mr. Irrelevant? ;D

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 2^nd, 2006, 9:27pm

on 05/02/06 at 13:49:35, Philly wrote:

It must have been awesome! What exactly does it take to get into the NFL draft? You have to know someone? Or just camp out the night before in a long line of fanatics and hope to make the door count?

I would love to plan on going one year if the suggestion is even possible of getting in.

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Gocong is a guy I've talked to a couple times. Great athlete, smart player, great person. He's going to be moved to SAM, where I think he'll struggle a bit initially.

Any player coming from the collegiate ranks that is going to change positions in the NFL - will struggle.

I think you'll see DeMarcus Ware this year - much more comfortable in his role as rush 3-4 LB.
Ditto for David Pollack of the Cincy Bengals.

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Steg... Jay Cutler was my fave QB in this draft. I think he has the highest ceiling of the big three.

Can you expand on this statement?

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Young is going to struggle big time. Volek will start, but I'll bet Young is getting PT before the season is half over. The team is going to struggle and Young isn't ready for the NFL yet.

Since when is any college QB ready for the NFL?

I remember only TWO QBs of all this time that made their mark as rookie QBs - Roethlisberger (and you could argue that his team carried that burden) and................

The MIGHTY DANNY MARINO!!!!!!!!!!!!

(cheap shot at getting my man some grid time :D)

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(Fisher and Chow wanted Leinart -- they feel he is the better immediate QB and gives them the best chance to win soon. But Fisher and Chow have to win to keep their jobs. Reese wanted Young and Bud Adams made the final decision. Adams is a Texas guy and loves Young's marketability and high ceiling--and is willing to risk the low floor.)

I don't fully believe this statement at all. Fisher is a great talent at HC.
Now, if you asked me last year, I would have absolutely disagreed with this 1000%.
But since seeing another HC, who I respect greatly, Herm Edwards, getting the "pinch" for what is transpiring w/ the NY Jetsons,
I could see Fisher POSSIBLY getting fired or pushed out the door as well.

But the fact is,
FISHER himself may not want to coach in Tenn. anylonger - rather than,
the other way around.

Sometimes a change is good for both parties included.
But to let Fisher go.................BIG mistake.

I think Chow can coach Young up.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on May 3^rd, 2006, 1:39pm

on 05/02/06 at 14:57:59, Callie wrote:

Hey Philly. Were you one of the guys chanting for the Raiders to take Vick as Mr. Irrelevant? ;D

Heh... there was a large contigent of fans from a number of teams on the opposite side of the auditorium yelling that. Would have been the most relevant Mr. Irrelevant ever.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on May 3^rd, 2006, 1:55pm

on 05/02/06 at 21:27:56, KillerKingSting wrote:

I got in with a media credential. Otherwise you have to just get in line and wait. It's difficult to get in for day one, but day two is easy -- there were tons of empty seats. (If you get in day one and return for day two, the NFL rewards you by giving you tix for next year's draft.)

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I agree wholeheartedly. Chris Gocong could jump right in on special teams, but he is nowhere near ready now (if ever) to play the SAM. I see him as a situational pass rusher first and foremost.

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Can you expand on this statement?

Sure. I like Leinart. He's a smart QB and makes good decisions. He is the most NFL-ready of the top 3 QBs, but I think he has the lowest upside (AND lowest downside) of the 3. There are some things he'll never be able to do. He doesn't have the rocket arm and he's not the best improvisational QB.

Vince Young has a very high ceiling and a very low floor. He had trouble learning a simplified Texas offense. He'll have to learn to take snaps under center (it's much easier to read and react when you're already set instead of in your drop). He'll have to learn to become a threat with his arm more than he did in college. 75% of his highlights were running plays! He also won't run away from NFL defenders the way he did in college. He is nowhere near as adept a runner as Michael Vick is, despite all the comparisons. He's also a turnover waiting to happen. Watch for a lot of fumbles! But if he is able to learn the offense and rely more on his arm, then he's got a huge upside.

So that leaves Jay Cutler. He has the big arm and can make all the NFL throws (although he'll have to learn to put more touch on his short routes - which is easier to learn than to put heat on the long ones). He is tough as nails and won't get rattled when he gets hit or makes a mistake (and he'll make a lot of them). He's a risk-taker, which will lead to the aforementioned mistakes, but will also lead to plenty of rewards. He's mobile and can make throws on the run. I just see him having as high an upside as Young with less chance for failure. Leinart is going to be good, but I'm not convinced he'll be great (although he did land in the perfect situation).

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Fisher has had a few disappointing seasons in a row in Tennessee now. I don't doubt his ability and think he's a great coach, but when a team doesn't win, someone has to be held accountable. Most times that is the coach. And the fact that he and his coaching staff are getting overruled by the front office on player personnel decisions has to grate on him a bit -- lending some credence to your postulation that Fisher could walk on his own.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on May 3^rd, 2006, 1:59pm

Just wanted to clarify my statement about Leinart above...

When I say he has the lowest downside, I mean that he has the smallest chance at failure of the three. There's not a lot of upside or downside with Leinart in my opinion, which is fine, because he's already pretty high in the "up" department.

Young has the biggest upside of the three, but also has the biggest downside - by a large margin. I also feel that Young, currently, is closer to his downside than his upside.

Cutler has almost as high an upside as Young, but his downside isn't as low as Young's.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 3^rd, 2006, 3:00pm

Hey Philster!!!! Thanks for all the posts and insights! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

I guess I look at 1st rd QBs as a 50/50 chance of making it. And then, if they do make it - how good will they be? Which is pretty difficult to predict in and of itself.

Looking back to last year, Alex Smith, Aaron Rogers and Justin Cambell, are all still up for those measurements.

I didn't like any of those QBs last year though, Cambell and Rogers are sitting andlearning so, to me, they have a chance. Alex I am crossing off my list for now.

But this year, I just feel that all 1st rd QB selctions, will do some damage in the NFL.

As far as Vince Young goes, when I see him play, the game itself, justs looks like he is toying with everyone. It comes slow to him. Thats a huge factor in my determination of the success of a collegiate QB to the NFL ranks.

There are many other factors as well - such as he single-handidly beat Ohio State which happened to have at least 5 first day draft selctions on defense taken this past weekend,

Sure there will be some growing pains but,

I just can't ignore this guys intangibles - which happens to be something that eludes the NFL experts when drafting and measuring the success rate of College QBs to the NFL.

Anyhow, nice assessment of the 3 QBs and excepting for your near doom outlook on Vince, I agree with all you've said.

Just think if Leinart would have come out of college last year - to the 49ers - not a pretty picture.

Hes in a great situation in Arizona.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 4^th, 2006, 12:22am

"The REAL Feed" tells me...

Moss set to match brother's NFL success (AP) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-giants-moss&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Yahoo! News: Democratic Party (03.05.2006 07:00)
Sinorice Moss never had to look farther than the other end of the dinner table to find a football role model. Moss' older brother, Santana, was a star wide receiver at the University of Miami whose success has continued in the NFL with the New York Jets and Washington Redskins. As the New York G...

Question... Does Sinorice really have a future in (a typical league of) fantasy football...? ...in the immediacy? ...in the long run? But, if the long run, only unpredictably so as is usually the case in the long run...??? [smiley=idontknow.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 6^th, 2006, 6:21pm

I have never played in a traditional FF league so,

I would take my opinion regarding Sinorice Moss with caution,

but in answer to your question as it relates to traditional leagues Steg-O-Matic,

if you have an extra roster spot, burn it on Sinorice and this simply because of the fact that,

any skilled player on the high octane Giant-offense is worth taking a risk on .................thats my 2 cents guys, :D

And couple that w/ the fact that he has talent and bloodlines,

not a bad gamble! [smiley=genie.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 6^th, 2006, 10:45pm

Let me pull the Chinese move here and flip this around and redirect this fairly uni-directional/dimensional discussion by asking, "So, who DON'T you guys like of the incoming rookies?????" [smiley=newbie.gif]

[smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... [smiley=panda.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 6^th, 2006, 10:57pm

Quinton Ganther ;D

TEE HEE BEE babe-bee!

get yer Ganther chronicles right here! :D
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;action=display;num=1146083945

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 6^th, 2006, 11:40pm

Okay,... ;)

But, how about (going out on a limb on) some of the big-name guys???

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 7^th, 2006, 12:33am

Ok but, my league's membraneous silence [smiley=footinmouth.gif] is quite disturbing[offtopic] [/offtopic] in the general and publicated talks of this ever-so-fine and dandy Draft [smiley=helmethead.gif],

so [smiley=howtoput.gif],

Hankys [smiley=referee.gif] will BEE assessed for such obvious lack of participational opportunities! [smiley=nownow.gif]

Here are my guys that I am not particularly fond of as of this time : hopefully they are big named enough to help out? otherwise, honestly, I like all other prospects!

QBs = Omar Jacobs, Brodie Croyle; Darrel Hackney AND I am not fully sold on Kellen Clemens though, he has potential.

RBs = Biggest name I can mention would be Maroney BUT, I am not willing to die on a hill for that and in fact, I DO like him although, I feel it would take some time for him to get going,
that said,
he is the Lienart of the RBs to me because,
I feel he needs a suppporting cast to be really successful (that being an offensive line),
and put that together with the fact that the Patsies don't like solo-heros on their team,
thereby,
no super stat-stacked individual players,

...........would be my reasoning,

however,

word to the wise of my league of super-queeros,

that doesn't mean I won't draft him :D

WRs= This whole WR class I am not impressed with however,
that said,
(did I say "that said again" - I like it! )
1st rd receivers are huge bust factors,

logic would then conclude that,
since there was only ONE 1st rd wide out taken,
there might be some decent NFL contirbutors in this class that fits team needs, [smiley=Imwithstupid.gif]

TEs = i like this TE class so, T.J. Williams is the only guy I might sell out,
though,
Pope is on probation with me for now as well [smiley=twocents.gif]

OL = Probation {J.Scott; J.Trueblood; R.O'Callaghan; K.Boothe; R.Cook}

Keep in mind my analysis isn't nearly over of the mentioned prospects and even others I haven't mentioned,
I fine tune my boards the most after the NFL draft for about a month.
Therefore, they are ever-fluxuating until around the end of May.

Enjoy :D

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 7^th, 2006, 1:32pm

on 05/06/06 at 22:45:43, StegRock wrote:

I do want to add that, this draft is elite - and better than the elite 2004 one we had a couple years back.
That in mind,
I am finding increasingly difficult to find TOP shelf players that I don't like and project to the NFL as startering status,
whether now, or later on down the road.

My post in reply to this particular quote above,
was me just digging, but in reality,
I really really like what I see on top of this draft.

This coupled with the fact that teams dropped players from high round status that had even the SLIGHTEST character concerns thereby,

making their BUST potential, not as vital as previous years where the same caliber players,

would have been drafted much higher.

So, in summary, its difficult for me to go out on a limb for any of the top players to wiegh towards their failure rather than,.....

their success. [smiley=popcorn.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 7^th, 2006, 3:32pm

Well, then, anybody else, please??? To me, this is where the real cash-value is... because it takes some serious "critical" (in both senses of the word) thinking and challenging of one's own (perhaps sugar-coated) ideas and biases, a process which I think produces better insights. I know from a fantasy perspective, on offense at least, there is almost NOBODY that I like in the early going, i.e. for '06. The only one I really like for fantasy is RB Joseph Addai. Furthermore, the only quarterback I like to make it is Matt Leinart. I mean just the numbers over the years tell us that only a handful of these big-name guys will make it, no less big-time, no less big-time on the fantasy gridiron. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 7^th, 2006, 6:53pm

I can see where you would find value in the "critical" thinking aspects of your insight - playing devil's advocate does have value.

But in this draft - at least to me - and NO - not sugar coating anything here - sorry but - last year's draft - SURE - 04's draft - absolutely!

But my fondness for THIS draft isn't sugar coated (biased? well thats all a matter of perpsective and WE ALL have that - right?),
and i STRONGLY feel that a lot of the players and where they fell,
did so in the righteous placemental NFL rosteroid.

Also, I did mention my concerns regarding Maroney.

However, you did bring up a different twist to maul over - that being value RIGHT NOW - in 06.

Its a given that not many rookies are going to make a huge impact in their first season - so leading with THAT particular emphasis (by the way, I am a lil bit lost here as saying most rookies won't make an immediate impact isn't exactly going out on a limb as you originally requested)

I disagree with you in Addai. It'll be a RBBC over there in Indy AND if you run Addai into the ground too much by asking him to handle a load then,
you open up his injury-prone history for potentials.
He can't handle a load right now (in 06) and will be/should be used carefully and cautiously.

Furthermore, what makes anyone think that the Donks can develop Cutler? They haven't been able to develop a QB in AGES. And Cutler comes w/ some hype - in fact, plenty of it.
He needs work and experience and better technique.
I don't recall anyone on the Donk's roster, and that includes Jay Plummer,
that could actually provide those solid attributes,
whether it be via a teacher/coach and/or a player and their talents.

I am not saying that he won't eventually make it but, if I am too play the pesimist then,
THATS the QB that won't make it.

And again, just hanging this out there for WHATEVER its worth to those of you who are SKEPTICAL of this class of rooks,
given DeAngelo's history on injury,
and adding that to Carolina's history of injury-riddled RBs,
confuscious say that,
is a recipe for potential disasteroids!

Then again, can history REALLY repeat itself so many times there over?

Odds would be that DeAngelo would be safe if your not too superstitious.

For more pesimistic viewings, heed the Juniors of the draft. They have to be DEVELOPED first and they are already a year behind the seniors.
(Junior warnings : Vince Young, Mario Williams, Maroney, LenDale and plenty more!).

Of course you could also take into account the Matt Millens of this world and who they drafted - and put those players on a gurney (Ernie Sims-OLB - another injury waiting to happen?),

The Minnesota's of the world (though not entirely fair since, a new regime is in place), in Chad Greenway (poor combine numbers and though his pro-day was mush better,
remember that,
when working out at your own school and or within another more comfortable atmosphere,
it is that much more comfortable for those players to be more successful in their athletic prowless,
...........................I mean,

who wants a player that can't perform on command and do it anywhere at that?).

By the way, Bush is another reason why FF leagues should include return specialist stats - th most exciting player to come out of college in years,

and some of his most exciting plays will be on special teams,

its a shame not to be able to enjoy that via your fantasy league.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 8^th, 2006, 2:58am

I think for this season, Addai is in the best situation to have a decent fantasy season. I'd rank the RBs like this:

1. Addai
2. Bush
3. Williams
4. White
5. Maroney

the QB's:
1. Leinart
2. Young
3. Cutler

the WR's/TEs
1. Moss
2. Davis
3. Jackson
4. Holmes

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 8^th, 2006, 3:50am

Nice list, Jim! At a glance, I disagree with Maroney listed all the way back at #5. It seems like he should be bumped up a spot or two. I also don't think I agree with Moss at #1 and Davis a tight-end at #2 among receivers. I think I would definitely put the other two above them both... BUT, what do I know? [smiley=stilldunno.gif] ... [smiley=dunce.gif]

...

Anyway, though,... could I just get a straight answer to my original question??? It was...

on 05/06/06 at 22:45:43, StegRock wrote:

Thank you, KKS, for at least giving me something responsive to chew on. But, initially at least, I was not looking for anybody to play devil's advocate. Initially, I wanted people to step up and tell me who they really weren't crazy about (since some of these guys areN'T going to make it and) since the discussion typically goes in the direction of people talking about who they do like. Isn't anybody here genuinely seriously quizzical about any of the big-name guys this year??? :-/

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on May 8^th, 2006, 9:59am

For this year... Guys I'd stay away from (and I'm only mentioning first-day selections):

QB - ALL
RB - Bush, Maroney, Williams, Norwood, Calhoun
WR - Holmes, Wilson, Reid, Stovall

For the long-term, guys I'm wary of...

QB - Young, Jackson (at least in the near long-term), Whitehurst, Croyle (not ability, just injury)
RB - Calhoun
WR - Wilson, Reid

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on May 8^th, 2006, 11:10am

I think Reggie Bush will make an immediate impact in New Orleans. Given Duece McAllister's health concerns I can easily see Bush getting 10-15 carries a game. Further more they've reportedly been shopping Stallworth & haven't been able to find a WR to compliment Horn. Bush could take on that role at least on 3rd downs.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 8^th, 2006, 7:06pm

Look,... I'm a "positive" type guy! BUT, with "respect" to and for this discussion, is there any way I can keep you guys "negative" for just a bit??? bakes, your response to Philly's post is well-taken, BUT who doN'T you like and why? That's what I'd be interested in hearing...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on May 9^th, 2006, 11:28am

Well I could pick any WR because they usually need a year to learn the offense & develop a repoire with the QB anyway. But if I was to single out 1 WR to struggle early it would be Sinorice Moss. He has a young QB who is still learning on the job himself. Plus the Giants are a run 1st offense with Tiki. Not to mention the added pressure of living up to his older brother Santana within the same division.

DeAngelo Williams seems like a real hit or miss prospect. After losing Stephen Davis, I thought LenDale White would have made a better fit for the Panthers. Williams has a lot of mileage already & he's had a history of injuries.

At QB I think it's clear that Vince Young has the biggest risk/reward tag of anybody. It's pretty safe to assume that McNair won't be in Tennessee to mentor the rookie. So it's likely that Vince will get thrown to the wolves sooner rather than later. This is where that poor wonderlic score could play a determining factor in whether he can learn on the job or not.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by KillerKingSting on May 9^th, 2006, 8:29pm

If I may, just want to know here, on a side note apart from Steg's call for critical thinking,

if you guys had the 1st five picks in the NFL draft, and could take anyone of the players, all of them being on equal ground of need,

who would yah take and in order of importance please?

also, multiple picks at ONE position could be taken as you would be picking for 5 different teams.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by bakes781 on May 10^th, 2006, 9:43am

1. Reggie Bush
2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Mario Williams
4. Michael Huff
5. AJ Hawk

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on May 10^th, 2006, 3:19pm

1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
2. Mario Williams
3. Reggie Bush
4. Nick Mangold
5. Haloti Ngata

8. Donte Whitner... :-X [smiley=Imwithstupid.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 14^th, 2006, 1:39am

A look back currently tops "The REAL Feed":

Top Ten NFL Draft Issues (http://www.pfcritics.com/news101/TopTenNFLDraftIssues.php)
Pro Football Critics (14.05.2006 00:00)
The draft is a few weeks old now, but the topics of conversation regarding several of the picks are still hot. I'm going to discuss several controversial decisions, and reflect on whether or not they made sense or will benefit their team in the future. Here are the top ten topics in the first ro...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 14^th, 2006, 1:01pm

Another "look back at the Draft" goodie from "The REAL Feed":

COMMENTARY | GARY MYERS: NFL draft rewind (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/14576247.htm?source=rss&channel=charlotte_football)
Sports: NFL / Football -- Charlotte.com (14.05.2006 08:30)
A blue-ribbon panel of top executives put together by the New York Daily News was surprisingly split on whether the New York Jets should have taken D'Brickashaw Ferguson over Matt Leinart and if the Houston Texans blew it by passing on Reggie Bush.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by junkyardjake on May 20^th, 2006, 3:21pm

on 04/30/06 at 17:07:36, StegRock wrote:

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/nfl/carolina_panthers/14615838.htm

Panthers Offensive Coordinater Dan Henning on D'Angelo Williams:

"He's not small; he's short," said Henning. "He looks like Mighty Mouse."

Henning said Williams was the running back the Panthers most wanted in the draft. He said team officials favored him over Minnesota's Lawrence Maroney, who was chosen by New England six spots before Carolina picked, and Southern California's Lendale White, a second-round pick by Tennessee.

"This was the guy we were after," Henning said. "We have an unusual individual here in DeAngelo because he's the fourth-leading rusher in the history of the NCAA. Now, you've got to do a lot of running (to do that).

"He's a bright-eyed guy. He's got flash and quickness."

Henning said general manager Marty Hurney was "adamant" that the Panthers draft a running back to pair with Deshaun Foster, who has dazzled at times but has had injury problems.

"We all love Deshaun Foster, but Deshaun Foster has not been able to fulfill a whole year for us," said Henning.

On Eric Shelton:

As for Eric Shelton, the Panthers' 2005 second-round pick who spent his rookie season on injured reserve, Henning said the team still hopes he can fit into the rotation as a short-yardage, goal-line back. He said Shelton also could be used to pound the ball at the defense at the end of games.

So, as of now, it sure looks like the rookie Williams will be the backup to DeShaun Foster, making him a potentially huge fantasy value.

As for Eric Shelton, forget about him (although he is starting to sound more Alstott-esque in the context of the early Panther plans, is he not?)

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on May 20^th, 2006, 3:38pm

on 05/20/06 at 15:21:35, junkyardjake wrote:

As for Eric Shelton, forget about him (although he is starting to sound more Alstott-esque in the context of the early Panther plans, is he not?)

Yes, he is, JYJ... I'm stilll not quite willing to throw the towel in on him yet... They did love that Davis-Foster/Big Pounder-Speedster set-up, in favor of the big pounder, mind you, AND I could surely see the injuries to Foster and Williams piling up quickly given their respective histories of injuries. If both went down, surely a possibility, Shelton would get his shot, and then it would be up to Shelton. That said, that article you cite, JYJ, from a LOCAL source covering the team, isn't encouraging (to Shelton owners) and is duly noted (Trust me... I have Shelton on my deep keeper roster in the GBRFL and will be having to make a decision on him within the next two or three months). Great post, man! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Thanks for the info and the update! [smiley=bow.gif] As of right now I'll grant you the lead with respect to our debate/respective stances on the Alstott comparison...

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 24^th, 2006, 10:47am

How about a little dessert,... well,... maybe I should say cherry on top? A "supplement(al draft)" to your (NFL Draft) diet... HOT off "The REAL Feed":

49ers notes: Nolan is front and center as 49ers take a look at LB (http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/football/sf_49ers/story/14270956p-15081672c.html)
The Sacramento Bee: SF 49ers (23.06.2006 07:05)
SANTA CLARA -- The 49ers had an extra set of eyes at former Virginia standout Ahmad Brooks' Thursday workout. Coach Mike Nolan joined personnel director Scot McCloughan at the event, the only NFL head coach to attend.

Dolphins GM meets with linebacker Ahmad Brooks (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14891333.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_sports)
Miami Herald: Sports (24.06.2006 04:09)
The Dolphins have taken an interest in former University of Virginia linebacker Ahmad Brooks, who is considered by many the top player available in the NFL's supplemental draft on July 13.

So,... my aspiring Gridironer college scouts,... is this guy legit,... too legit to quit??? [smiley=jammaster.gif] [smiley=dancin.gif]

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 24^th, 2006, 11:21pm

Brooks is absolutely legit... if he can show that he can play the way he did before he was injured and if he can show that any character issues are not a concern. He can certainly play the game at a high level. I imagine some team will take a shot at the end of the 2nd or beginning of the 3rd round of the Supp Draft.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 13^th, 2006, 5:26pm

Okay... I guess, alas, it's a wrap for the '06 NFL Draft... Currently atop "The REAL Feed":

Bengals take gamble on ex-Virginia star (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9552598/rss)
CBS SportsLine.com NFL News (13.07.2006 17:05)
Linebacker Ahmad Brooks, who starred at Virginia for three seasons but was kicked off the team by coach Al Groh, was selected by the Cincinnati Bengals in the third round of Thursday's supplemental NFL Draft.

"Th... Th... Th... Th... Th... That's all, folks!"-[smiley=pig.gif] ... ;D

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 15^th, 2006, 7:21pm

Well, that's that for that... From a LOCAL source on "The REAL Feed":

Ex-GMU Star Lewis To No Longer Pursue A Career in the NFL (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401408.html)
Washington Post: Sports (15.07.2006 00:19)
Former George Mason basketball star Jai Lewis ends his brief flirtation with pro football, deciding not to return to the New York Giants for training camp.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Sep 15^th, 2006, 5:16pm

Interesting, albeit after-the-fact, take on how the '06 NFL Draft might have went based on what we have seen thus far... From "The REAL Feed":

Pasquarelli: How would draft's top 10 look now? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2588834&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (15.09.2006 14:06)
It's obviously too early to pass judgment on rookies, but Len Pasquarelli explores what the top 10 picks in the draft might look like if it was held today.

Title: Re: '06 NFL Draft General Discussion Thread
Post by StegRock on Oct 5^th, 2006, 6:45pm

Another Draft follow-up from the other BIG outlet... From "The REAL Feed":

Simon to miss season with illness (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/wires/10/05/2020.ap.fbn.on.football.the.rookies.adv06.1405/index.html)
SI.com: NFL (05.10.2006 17:31)