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(Message started by: mcgeeizgod on Aug 10^th, 2006, 1:41pm)

Title: keeper league formats
Post by mcgeeizgod on Aug 10^th, 2006, 1:41pm

hey guys, all the managers of one of my leagues from last year are interested in changing the format of our league from a regular league to a keeper league. I know there's a lot of variations of keeper leagues out there and I wanted to know which ones you guys liked the best. We'd like to keep it somewhat simple, yet still interesting, because for the most part the contact between league members is only online so anything that requires a lot of personal contact and time for discussion between managers probably wouldn't go over too well. I'd love to hear what you guys think.

Thanks,
Matt

Title: Re: keeper league formats
Post by StegRock on Aug 10^th, 2006, 2:13pm

Mattman,... I hate to throw hack at you,... but I'm at least, at first, going to send you to the mother league of FantasyFootballer.com, the GBRFL, my "hometown" league, which has been a DEEP-keeper league for going on 14 years now... If you have targeted questions, then we can talk. But, I think this would be a great place to start, at least as comes from me, solid format that's been time-tested:

"Rules/Scoring" Page -
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/scoring.htm;

League Home Page -
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/index.php.

You and your friends sniff around and see what you come up with in terms of questions...

Title: Re: keeper league formats
Post by captainpurple on Aug 10^th, 2006, 11:25pm

[smiley=yes.gif] I'll give a hearty hell yeah to you on this one. The GBRFL (and the GBRFL2, which I've just finished my rookie season in) is a terrific format for a keeper league. I'm not going to get into the why's here, but do a little research into the recent threads we threw at our newest prospective owners for some of the owner thoughts.

beyond that, your question is really not anwserable w/o some variables defined:

draft or auction?
how many keepers?
how big are the rosters? (% of roster as keepers?)
how many teams?
and maybe MOST importantly, how committed are ALL your owners

answering these might get us closer to a few league recommendations.

Title: Re: keeper league formats
Post by mcgeeizgod on Aug 11^th, 2006, 12:30am

yo captain (and steg),

seeing as that this is a new league a lot of the stuff is still up in the air (except the scoring- that's all set). the gbrfl looks great but its a lil complicated for what we're goin for and i know introducing something like that will just confuse people. this league is gonna be run through yahoo basic (for this year at least) so things can't get too advanced. we are just basically looking for suggestions on how to manage the keeper situation. thus far we have two suggestions...

1. we can keep 1 qb, 1 rb, 1 wr but they have to be chosen after the 5th round
2. you can designate 4 players to keep but for the player you keep you lose their draft pick in next years draft. so if LT was my 1st round pick this year and i choose to keep him next year then I won't have a #1 draft choice next year.

basically i just wanted to know if there were any other keeper formats, like these two, that you guys have heard of.

cap, answers to your questions are below

draft or auction? draft
how many keepers? not sure, it sounds most people in the league want it to be 4, or around that number
how big are the rosters? 16 roster spots, starters are 1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 1 wr/rb, 1 d, 1 k
how many teams? 10-12, an outside chance of 14
and maybe MOST importantly, how committed are ALL your owners- everyone is aware that it is a keeper league which requires a committment from year to year but for most people this league will not be their top priority league. everyone will probably be willing to spend maybe a half an hour or so a week on the league but other than the draft it will be difficult to get everyone together at the same time for anything at a designated time.

Title: Re: keeper league formats
Post by steelkings on Aug 11^th, 2006, 7:38am

Quote:

but for most people this league will not be their top priority league. everyone will probably be willing to spend maybe a half an hour or so a week on the league

In my league, we are allowed to keep any player on the roster, however we must surrender a draft pick three spots higher than where the saved player was drafted the year before. In other words, you cant save a player you drafted in the first three rounds. It can keep the saved players to a minimum. On the other hand, two years ago, Larry Johnson was selected in the 11th round. He's being saved for a fifth this year.
If your leagues players are transient, then a deep keeper is not for you. Sometimes in a deep keeper situation, where most players in the league are strangers and a vacant teams roster is bad, that spot becomes hard to fill. Most new players dont want to assume a non competitive team. It takes a much bigger commitment.

Hope that helps
Steel

Title: Re: keeper league formats
Post by Takamine305 on Aug 11^th, 2006, 9:31pm

Anyone been involved with or seen the contract keeper leagues. I guess it is setup with a certain amount of keepers like 6+ or something and then you can assign contracts to the players. 2 for 3years, 2 for 2years, 2 for 1year. Something to that effect???? I read somewhere about it and looks somewhat complicated and i guess would actually be more like a dynasty type league. i don't know...any input??

might be a little bit "over the top" but then again.......is that really possible for us competition junkies?!?!?

Title: Re: keeper league formats
Post by StegRock on Aug 12^th, 2006, 1:08am

I don't know, Takster... That's seems like an interesting spin... Off the top of my head, it accomplishes/encourages two things I, personally, like to see in a fantasy league: 1) from the way you explain it, it extends the number of keepers to a number that makes for a "real" keeper league, and 2) given the contract lengths, 2, 3 or more years, it sets the stage to keep guys involved for years to come. Mind you, I don't like the idea, in general, of bringing (the unnecessary complication of) salaries into the mix, but all of the aforementioned is all good...