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Title: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2007, 7:39am On this, the very first post of this thread, I will maintain position-by-position cheatsheets. This will also act as the CBFL Draft commentary thread. PLEASE do NOT put comments on the picks and administration/league discussion threads on the CBFL board! Put comments on picks and how the draft is unfolding HERE! Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif] Cheatsheets (To view the actual draft, go to: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=54;action=display;num=1184758697.) QB's 1. Peyton Manning - Colts 2. Carson Palmer - Bengals 3. Drew Brees - Saints 4. Tom Brady - Patriots 5. Marc Bulger - Rams 6. Donovan McNabb - Eagles 7. Vince Young - Titans 8. Jon Kitna - Lions 9. Brett Favre - Packers 10. Tony Romo - Cowboys 11. Matt Leinart - Cardinals 12. Philip Rivers - Chargers 13. Jay Cutler - Broncos 14. Eli Manning - Giants 15. Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks 16. Ben Roethlisberger - Steelers 17. Jason Campbell - Redskins 18. J. P. Losman - Bills 19. Alex Smith - 49ers 20. Chad Pennington - Jets 21. Matt Schaub - Texans 22. Jake Delhomme - Panthers 23. Jeff Garcia - Buccaneers 24. Steve McNair - Ravens 25. Rex Grossman - Bears 26. Byron Leftwich - Jaguars 27. Trent Green - Chiefs 28. Joey Harrington - Falcons RB's 1. LaDainian Tomlisnon - Chargers 2. Steven Jackson - Rams 3. Larry Johnson - Chiefs 4. Frank Gore - 49ers 5. Brian Westbrook - Eagles 6. Joseph Addai - Colts 7. Shaun Alexander - Seahawks 8. Travis Henry - Broncos 9. Willie Parker - Steelers 10. Rudi Johnson - Bengals 11. Reggie Bush - Saints 12. Laurence Maroney - Patriots 13. Edgerrin James - Cardinals 14. Cedric Benson - Bears 15. Deuce McAllister - Saints 16. Willis McGahee - Ravens 17. Ronnie Brown - Dolphins 18. Maurice Jones-Drew - Jaguars 19. Clinton Portis - Redskins 20. Thomas Jones - Jets 21. Adrian Peterson - Vikings 22. Brandon Jacobs - Giants 23. Marion Barber - Cowboys 24. Ahman Green - Texans 25. DeAngelo Williams - Panthers 26. Marshawn Lynch - Bills 27. Jamal Lewis - Browns 28. Carnell Williams - Buccaneers 29. Jerious Norwood - Falcons 30. Warrick Dunn - Falcons 31. Brandon Jackson - Packers 32. Tatum Bell - Lions 33. Julius Jones - Cowboys 34. Chester Taylor - Vikings 35. LaMont Jordan - Raiders 36. Reuben Droughns - Giants 37. Ladell Betts - Redskins 38. DeShaun Foster - Panthers 39. Fred Taylor - Jaguars 40. Vernand Morency - Packers 41. LenDale White - Titans 42. Chris Brown - Titans 43. Chris Henry - Titans 44. Kevin Jones - Lions 45. Ron Dayne - Texans 46. Michael Turner - Chargers 47. Mike Bell - Broncos 48. Tony Hunt - Eagles 49. Dominic Rhodes - Raiders 50. Leon Washington - Jets 51. Adrian Peterson - Bears 52. Priest Holmes - Chiefs WR's 1. Chad Johnson - Bengals 2. Marvin Harrison - Colts 3. Steve Smith - Panthers 4. Torry Holt - Rams 5. Reggie Wayne - Colts 6. Terrell Owens - Cowboys 7. Lee Evans - Bills 8. T. J. Houshmandzadeh - Bengals 9. Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals 10. Marques Colston - Saints 11. Javon Walker - Broncos 12. Anquan Boldin - Cardinals 13. Roy Williams - Lions 14. Donald Driver - Packers 15. Plaxico Burress - Giants 16. Randy Moss - Patriots 17. Andre Johnson - Texans 18. Hines Ward - Steelers 19. Calvin Johnson - Lions 20. Santana Moss - Redskins 21. Reggie Brown - Eagles 22. Laveranues Coles - Jets 23. Deion Branch - Seahawks 24. Joey Galloway - Buccaneers 25. D. J. Hackett - Seahawks 26. Darrell Jackson - 49ers 27. Mark Clayton - Ravens 28. Jerricho Cotchery - Jets 29. Braylon Edwards - Browns 30. Vincent Jackson - Chargers 31. Bernard Berrian - Bears 32. Donte Stallworth - Patriots 33. Terry Glenn - Cowboys 34. Chris Chambers - Dolphins 35. Greg Jennings - Packers 36. Santonio Holmes - Steelers 37. Jerry Porter - Raiders 38. Matt Jones - Jaguars 39. Brandon Marshall - Broncos 40. Brandon Jones - Titans 41. Drew Carter - Panthers 42. Drew Bennett - Rams 43. Devery Henderson - Saints 44. Isaac Bruce - Rams 45. Robert Meachem - Saints 46. Joe Horn - Falcons 47. Bryant Johnson - Cardinals 48. Kevin Curtis - Eagles 49. Anthony Gonzalez - Colts 50. Michael Jenkins - Falcons 51. Maurice Stovall - Buccaneers 52. Muhsin Muhammad - Bears TE's 1. Antonio Gates - Chargers 2. Jeremy Shockey - Giants 3. Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs 4. Todd Heap - Ravens 5. Vernon Davis - 49ers 6. Kellen Winslow - Browns 7. Chris Cooley - Redskins 8. Alge Crumpler - Falcons 9. L. J. Smith - Eagles 10. Jason Witten - Cowboys 11. Ben Watson - Patriots 12. Heath Miller - Steelers 13. Randy McMichael - Rams 14. Dallas Clark - Colts 15. Desmond Clark - Bears 16. Eric Johnson - Saints 17. Owen Daniels - Texans 18. Marcus Pollard - Seahawks 19. Bo Scaife - Titans 20. Greg Olson - Bears 21. Tony Scheffler - Broncos 22. Daniel Graham - Broncos 23. Ben Troupe - Titans 24. David Martin - Dolphins PK's 1. Nate Kaeding - Chargers 2. Adam Vinatieri - Colts 3. Stephen Gostkowski - Patriots 4. Shayne Graham - Bengals 5. Jeff Wilkins - Rams 6. Neil Rackers - Cardinals 7. Josh Brown - Seahawks 8. Jason Elam - Broncos 9. Robbie Gould - Bears 10. David Akers - Eagles 11. Matt Stover - Ravens 12. Jason Hanson - Lions 13. Olindo Mare - Saints 14. Mike Nugent - Jets 15. John Kasay - Panthers 16. Josh Scobee - Jaguars 17. Joe Nedney - 49ers 18. Jay Feely - Dolphins 19. Ryan Longwell - Vikings 20. Jeff Reed - Steelers 21. Rob Bironas - Titans 22. Rian Lindell - Bills 23. Phil Dawson - Browns 24. Lawrence Tynes - Giants D/ST's 1. Chicago Bears 2. Baltimore Ravens 3. New England Patriots 4. San Diego Chargers 5. Jacksonville Jaguars 6. Pittsburgh Steelers 7. Denver Broncos 8. Miami Dolphins 9. Oakland Raiders 10. Carolina Panthers 11. Philadelphia Eagles 12. Green Bay Packers |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:32pm The following comment was misposted down on the CBFL board... on 07/18/07 at 16:45:46, Takamine305 wrote:
Good stuff!!! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:43pm Whoopsee.... my apologies for the mixup...Will be on here now... I deleted the comment from the other thread...i see it here already now though... |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2007, 5:46pm Incidentally, Takster, your first-ever CBFL pick of Addai was definitely a goodie!!! I would have SERIOUSLY considered him at 9. As it stands, you've probably forced me to take the guy "I want to take"... [smiley=hmmmm.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:01pm I'll take on all side bets, that I know exactly who Steg's first pick will be. ;) I came pretty close to drafting Addai with pick #6, I like him alot this year. So far all picks are pretty predictable and very good. It will start getting a little more interesting as things move along. [smiley=yes.gif] cwhams |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:06pm SUR-PRISE!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:09pm on 07/18/07 at 18:06:29, StegRock wrote:
I think we all knew that was coming. Good pick :) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:21pm No surprise there...by the way ...how about a little help on the chat room...I don't see how you post...no post button that I see...just me or my computer? |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 18th, 2007, 6:27pm type comment and hit enter [smiley=alcoholic.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:04pm I've started the "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread... Enjoy! [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 18th, 2007, 9:12pm I like Chad Johnson almost as well as Steve Smith...I'm only so...so on either guy with pick #15. :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:18pm Does anyone know ChiliD? If he is going to log on and make his pick soon I will stay up. If not I am going to bed. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Larsen89 on Jul 18th, 2007, 10:39pm I'm logging off for the night as well....I'll check back in around 630am (central) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:06am Seems as if defenses are rather important to have in this League so i'd like to have the best one. I don't pick again until the last selection of round 4 and the top d/st seem to go before then in past CBFL drafts or close to then...I'll jump the gun to get what I need!!! :D Adios!! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:27pm I know your dad's gonna tell you otherwise, Nateman, but that was (significantly, if not way) too early to be picking a defense. The fact that last year the team that won had the best defense and teams kind of finished roughly in an order that coincided (read, "coincidence") with how they ended up ranking just shows that teams were picked fairly consistently up-and-down. PrimeTime, last year's Champ, augmented a great offense with a solid defense. That = championship. Just look to one year prior. The team that won it all, DirkDiggler, had a run-of-the-mill good defense. But, anyway, Nate, the Bears should be good. Coming from the guy who's been participating in this, either as a drafter or running it, for about 10 years now (before it was even a league back with FFToday), it's not a really bad pick, but it's also not a particularly good pick at this point in the draft. Last year, when Primer picked the Bears it was a much better pick... simply because he got them later. You're gonna have to pray for some bad picks to be made so as to sew up a hole you're going to have on offense because of this early pick of a defense. In any event, it's great seeing the wheels turning. [smiley=thinking.gif] At least, you've got a strategy and are employing it. [smiley=bow.gif] That's how you learn the nuances and come to distinguish them from the generalities; learn from your mistakes (as the cliche goes) and improve. Just don't be rigid (ever in life). THEN, you will improve! [smiley=yinandyang.gif] ... [smiley=zenmaster.gif] ... Oh, and, by the way, the "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick! [smiley=builder.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 19th, 2007, 2:31pm I did a bit of my OWN research on the CBFL steg...I noticed that since the beginning of the league the top defences DO in fact coincide with the top finishing teams. Were there exceptions?? yes, there were but I'm playing a percentage game here like i do in poker and I'm going with the odds... Hard to argue with the facts... Again...my next pick wouldn't be until the last one in round 4. I GUARANTEE that another defense will go if not 2 or 3 before my next pick...(if past draft analysis rings true) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:02pm Okay,... kiddo. I try to throw some words of wisdom [smiley=zenmaster.gif] out there... coming from almost a DECADE of experience running this show, who, in fact, CREATED the rules for the league, and (NOTE, this is fun hyperbole) some modern-day whiz kid, who's just shown up on the scene, has run a spreadsheet program and proven Laozi and the Daoist sensibility, so to speak, wrong. Quite contrary to being "hard to argue with", mere facts, strung together, (like a "good team on paper that plays poorly) paint a very mysterious and misleading picture. It's the processing of facts and information into "truth" and "understanding". [smiley=wiseman.gif] Facts are like the walls of a maze, usually you have to acknowledge and "obey" them; sometimes you can climb over them, see through them or break them down (in both senses). The path you take (and how you deal with the different kinds of walls of the maze) is your truth and indicates your level of understanding. One thing, true understanding/understanding of the truth, which comes only after great cultivation, will tell you that this is a maze, however, with no exit. So, it becomes "how" you navigate the maze. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] The path is the way, the Dao. The walls are the obstacles. The so-called facts are what we overcome. ... Facts that seem undeniable at one level of understanding are realized to be spurious at another and not even seen on yet another. As long as you are open to that, you're okay. Don't be rigid. Don't ever think you've figured it out. In life, with everything, we're all just taking steps. Behave without hubris, acknowledge those who have taken more steps than you, and you'll be good to go... on YOUR way. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] Offhand,... "snap back to (this) reality",... [smiley=doseofreality.gif] ... ;) just to "entertain" the notion, and not be an ignoramus myself (something that is not easy for me to do; that's why I think I am fairly good at doing it), [smiley=dunce.gif] ... ;) did you happen to notice/calculate that TOP offenses ALSO coincide with the teams that finish at the top of the standings??? [smiley=yinandyang.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 19th, 2007, 3:17pm As a matter of fact it looks like the top scoring teams were the teams that won?!?! unbelievable!! I could hardly look at the base of my offense so far as anything less then tops!! I also know that injuries are a HUGE deal considering we can't make waiver moves, however, a player who hasn't been able to go through an NFL season un-injured was picked 16th overall...could be more of a stretch then the proven top rated defensive selections to me... In response to the CREATOR of the rules....that really means nothing to me...do you think Dr. James Naismith would be better at basketball then Michael Jordan just because he created the game?!? Do you think Major Walter C. Wingfield is better then Roger Federer just because he created field tennis?!? come on now!! then again...i'm just some "whiz-kid" off the street with a spreadsheet program... lastly, I am not saying you don't know what you're talking about...I'm saying that looking at my draft situation and KNOWING that defenses will move in the 4th round FOR SURE (if not earlier) I pulled the trigger on my #1 a bit early...which i noted in my previous post... "I'll jump the gun to get what I need!!!" I already knew this was early for this pick but i wasn't sitting with a mid to late 3rd round pick or even a early to mid 4th round pick....had to adjust for the draft order... I smell someone who wanted the chicago bears defense themselves is what i smell!!!!! ahahaha |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:07pm rickgpin...I have made a voodoo doll of you and you will feel great pain very soon. (for taking the Ravens right before I was going to) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:09pm I don't know why anyone would want a defense in the first half of the 3rd round?!?!? You folks must be using the same crystal ball I was using...:D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:16pm Well,... voila,... right after my pick came a "bad" pick... ;) or, at least, one that plays right into your hands. It will push a good offensive player toward you, and, if you've calculated correctly, other ensuing picks here on the near horizon will play into both of your hands. But,... and I think you realize this as you said as much yourself in your own post,... really, the fact that your "guarantee" has already panned out and may continue to do so is much more a function of a hyper-awareness that now exists because of last year's heated discussions, discussions that you have observed, let's say, "closely" (in both possible senses), than anything else. In any event, to press your position, (and you can take this question rhetorically) did you consider/calculate the order in which defenses were picked vis-a-vis how they actually ended up ranking vis-a-vis how those CBFL teams finished? ALL of that having been said and asked, I too have to acknowledge this, albeit, I believe, erroneous, hyper-awareness of the impact of D/ST and "substantively" respond to it and not just be in denial. I mean... I can refute the over-importance being attributed to defense right now, but I cannot deny the over-importance being attributed to defense right now. It too, in "fact", is part of the "reality" in which we have to deal. I digress... Like tends to be the case in the world, I think it gets us away from the truth of the matter, but reality is reality. Reality is (when and) where we are. It's what's here and now, and it can't be dismissed. You can't work "without" reality. You have to work "within" it. Truth and understanding are only attained within and through reality, albeit almost always notwithstanding reality. [smiley=yinandyang.gif] That meta-reality is what's needing to be overcome. IN ANY CASE, you, Nateman, I will say, on your part, have done your due diligence and adjusted to this reality. I question whether you have over-adjusted (and I think that is fair to do), but that still leaves unanswered the question of how (successfully) I will adjust to this reality... [smiley=nervous.gif] Perhaps, in the end, not as good as you... :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:20pm on 07/19/07 at 16:07:20, BarnabyWilde wrote:
It looks like you've adjusted to this new reality, Jim. [smiley=hmmmm.gif] BUT, no so much that you took a third D/ST here early on. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DB on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:22pm Let me say that I hated taking T.O. because I do not want to have any rooting interest in him. I wanted Holt or Wayne. I felt that I had no choice, dammit. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 19th, 2007, 4:43pm no choices?!?!? Are you looking at the same 'NFL' players that I am?!?!? lol :D you just like T.O. it's ok to admit.... |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DB on Jul 19th, 2007, 5:20pm Yeah, maybe I more than like him ;). I'm just saying that in my opinion he was by far the best available non-RB and that as a Redskins fan and TO hata' it pained me to take him. :-[. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 7:32pm I honestly feel that T.O. is too risky of a pick in this format where you're saddled with him. There is no way to get out from under him via trade and no free-agents to pick up to save the day. MUCH of the CBFL is about making the "safest" choice of the choices you have. That is because we play out this "mock" draft, which embeds accountability that real mock drafts do NOT give you. And, incidentally, ALL that is PRECISELY why the CBFL produces such useful and commonsensical cheatsheets. It's a magical formula! But, LIKE IN LIFE, it's an open-ended, self-referential formula, i.e., it takes us drafting for a league to generate a cheatsheet to help us draft for leagues, and all we can do is build on that to produce truly valuable cheatsheets vis-a-vis those given us via "actual" mock drafts. A real-life example is like this. If I want to live the life of the "Good Book" (insert whatever "great book" you like), I have to, with rigor, read the book. But, just in doing that, I'm already living the life of the "Good Book". You follow??? In doing a "real" draft (instead of a "true" mock draft), we are already doing what it takes to "really draft". When this stuff starts to play mind tricks on you, when you go (rapidly) back and forth between Nietzsche lightning flashes of profound insight followed by mundane realizations like "wait, yea, there's nothing special about that", as you're thinking it through, [smiley=thinking.gif] that's when you know you are REALLY getting it,... which is, just to mind fuck yous, "really getting it". That back-and-forth between profundity and mundanity is your plugging [smiley=plug.gif] yourself into the two "realities", so to speak, reality and meta-reality. You "really get it" when you "really get it",... which requires your "really getting it"! Get it??? It is what it is. A = A. It's all immanent (reality); yet, it's also all transcendent (meta-reality). [smiley=zenmaster.gif] In fantasy football as in life, coordinating that meta-reality with reality on the ground, so to speak, getting it so that the two come together to complete the circle, is the key to self-mastery. [smiley=yinandyang.gif] WOW... I'm having some mind explosions today. This is wonderful (for me, at least, even if it falls on deaf ears with you guys). The Ph.D. program that "gets me" (think "two" realities) will be lucky. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:07pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:15pm on 07/19/07 at 16:07:20, BarnabyWilde wrote:
i may reget that early pick...i guess we will see what is left of the offensive players in the later rounds. [smiley=pray.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:23pm There really is no argument here on whether or not to draft a defense much higher in the draft than has happened in past drafts and that's the true reality. He who hesitates loses the chance at the golden ring. The false reality is to sit back and make picks that will never net you the 50 points week in and week out that a good defense will get you. That's not only a documented fact, it's an in your face reality. Year after year you can see otherwise good teams in this league crumble under the load of their defensive ineptitudes. The other false reality is to accept the norm of waiting to make the right pick because others are waiting to make the right pick until you make the right pick. The right pick then becomes incumbent on the luck of the draw and not on the logic dictated by the reality of the facts. No team will ever win this league with out the benefit of a good defense...you can win it without a beyond belief performance like LT had last year or the Priest a couple years ago...but you will never never never never never win this thing losing 50 points a week with a poor defense. You will take an [smiley=spank.gif] every year. I thought the reality of the negative stuff that went on last year was the [smiley=crybaby.gif] crying over not executing good picks within the parameters of the rules...you know the rules...you make the picks...you live with the consequences and hopefully learn from it and live to play another day. [smiley=deal.gif] cwhams |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 8:41pm |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:22pm Okay, not all the negative stuff. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:24pm THAT is a GREAT pick!!! I have Thomas Jones #11 in my rankings, ahead of Benson, who I took MUCH earlier, in fact. So, INCREDIBLE value! I did that thinking that Jones had a greater chance of falling (back to me) than Benson (and he almost did), combined with the fact that I have Benson, and not Jones, in the GBRFL, and I'm all about "consolidating" my rooting interests whenever reasonably possible. Anyway, [smiley=thumbsup.gif], Primer! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 19th, 2007, 9:58pm :oAgreed...that guy was a real hard one for me to pass up...very good pick. He and Benson are both in a position to do some great things this year. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:38pm on 07/19/07 at 21:24:07, StegRock wrote:
While I already had two good RB's he was too good to pass up. I was surprised to be able to get him in the 4th round of a 12 team league. Thank God three defenses were picked in the third round! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:45pm on 07/19/07 at 22:38:47, PrimeTime wrote:
Clever, clever, clever... [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] I haven't gotten a good laugh like that here in a while. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:47pm on 07/19/07 at 22:38:47, PrimeTime wrote:
Or maybe it was 5 QBs or 1 TE in the first 3 rounds. you just never know. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:51pm on 07/19/07 at 22:47:34, rickgpin wrote:
Okay,... enough now... [smiley=secret.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 19th, 2007, 10:54pm It was a great move as far as blocking other teams from picking up a quality RB...and will be an even GREATER move if one of your other guys gets hurt... The way I see it though if you planned on success from the first two RBs (which is why you draft them) then it somewhat seems like you would want to take someone here that will score points for your team...I mean that's a great handcuff for yourself but is the 4th round the time to be picking up backups when starters are still on the board?? who am i to question the champ?!?!?!? ahahahahaha be kind!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 19th, 2007, 11:10pm There is a little secret to the scoring in this format, but I am not going to tell you what it is. You will need to figure it out for yourself or get Steg to tell you. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:57am Are you referring to the "best ball" approach, if you will?!? Where the top two performances of your group are used in the total?!? Ok, I had a nice long explanation of exactly WHY I had a bit of doubt for your particular team to have made that pick. Then i started to read it over and thought about some of the things i talked with steg about this afternoon. I was basically giving you all my entire strategy laid out on the table!! :D There's no reason for me to help everyone else out by explaining why there were better picks out there for YOUR team then T.J. This grasshopper may seem to be in over his head...why go toe to toe with the champ...lol...obviously he's proven himself (then again, he DID have the Bears D/ST last year)!!! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 20th, 2007, 3:38am on 07/20/07 at 00:57:05, Takamine305 wrote:
While I agree with what you've said here, Tak,... this is definitely NOT (one of) the secret(s) to CBFL success. Quote:
Yes,... but procured a WHOLE TWO ROUNDS later than you took 'em this year. [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] ... ;) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 20th, 2007, 9:55am What's not the secret?? Me not telling the secret?? the scoring format comment was wrong?? and the Bears D/ST in round 5 would be a steal in my opinion! (for the CBFL's -1 point per point and per 25yards system) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:15am Bears defense is going to see a significant decline in their stats this year. They play improved offenses in the NFC Central (Detroit WILL score some points, Minnesota still has a nice O-line and have a pair of RBs and better WRs this year, and Favre is still capable of throwing 3-4 TDs in a game) and they face the always dangerous AFC West, so their schedule is tougher. Also, it's very possible that Lance Briggs will NOT be playing for the Bears this year, or at least until week 9, meaning Jamar Williams, Leon Joe, or rookie Michael Okwo will have to pick up the slack. Tommie Harris won't be nearly as effective without Tank Johnson next to him, and there's not a lot of depth at DT for those Bears. Adam Archuleta is clearly not the player he was early in his career. I would not be surprised if the Bears are merely a middle-of-the-pack defense by year's end. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 20th, 2007, 11:28am you might very well be right... ( ::) ) monkeys might fly out of my ass too!!! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 20th, 2007, 12:23pm being a season ticket holder for the Rams, Adam Archuleta on your defense would be enough to scare me. [smiley=scared.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Jul 20th, 2007, 1:44pm on 07/20/07 at 11:28:47, Takamine305 wrote:
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 20th, 2007, 2:50pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 5.01! [smiley=borg.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 20th, 2007, 6:11pm This whole draft thing hardly seems fair. I'm way to use to talking with and dealing with folks who really don't know football that well...or maybe they know one or two teams. ::) The picks in this draft are way too good :'(...destroying all my feable attempts at success. [smiley=alcoholic.gif] Think I'll go home and just wait until my next pick rolls around. :-X cwhams |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 20th, 2007, 10:09pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 6.01! [smiley=borg.gif] Also, to get a little discussion going,... as I see it,... [smiley=threed.gif] best value pick so far... [smiley=drummer.gif] DB's 4.07 pick of Roy Williams. Right after that, I think, would be the aforementioned 4.04 pick by PT of Thomas Jones. But, right now I have Williams ranked #2 [smiley=ohshit.gif] among wide receivers!!! That's GREAT mid-fourth round value. [smiley=yes.gif] What do you guys think... of what I think... and in general about the picks thus far... best/worst??? Let's discuss... |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2007, 6:08pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 7.02! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DB on Jul 21st, 2007, 9:08pm Well, I don't have Roy Williams quite as high on my list as Steggy, I do like his potential this year in a Mike Martz offense. I like having Tatum Bell as well. Not sure what the little secret is to the scoring format, but my thinking in the early rounds was to go for home run hitters given the best ball format. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 21st, 2007, 11:05pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 8.04! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 22nd, 2007, 9:01am Either the Stegmeister is a genious/knows something (alot of things) I don't know or perhaps the first pick of the draft that I don't understand just took place... JACKSONVILLE? I think you put yourself behind the ole 8-Ball on that one. What the rationale on that, perhaps I'm missing something here? ?.?.? :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2007, 4:50pm ARE YOU KIDDING ME, Mr. Defense-is-all-important??? Do I really need to explain this??? Let's see... As per my StegsList.com rankings, I have the Jaguars ranked fourth, behind the three taken and right ahead of the Chargers. The two BIG categories of this (you yourself find) "all-important" position are yards allowed and points allowed. Interceptions, sacks and the rest are really just side dishes. So, let's see... Despite our Champ, PT, having the Bears last year, the BEST defense in this format was the Ravens, had by The Rick, who, supporting your theory, was last year's runner-up. The Bears were the second-best. The Ravens gave up 12.6 points and 264.1 yards per game; the Bears, 15.9 points and 294.1 yards per game. As for the third-best defense in this format, it would have been a toss-up between the Patriots, who nobody had, the Dolphins, who rotoworldchris, our 3rd-place finisher, drafted, and, your theory notwithstanding, the Jaguars, who the guy who just made the cut, i.e. came in 8th place, had drafted. The Jaguars gave up 17.1 and 283.6 yards per game; the Patriots, 14.8 and 294.4 yards per game, and the Dolphins 17.7 and 289.1 yards per game. The Dolphins and Patriots were significantly more active than the Jaguars in the "side-dish" categories, though. So, the knod would have gone to the Dolphins and Patriots, BUT the latter were not even drafted. So, the fourth-best defense was fairly far-and-away the Jaguars in last year's CBFL. They would have been the last team of the second tier. The first tier would have been comprised of the Ravens and the Bears. Then, after a significant drop-off, the second tier would have been comprised of the Patriots, Dolphins and Jaguars. After that, after another substantial drop-off, would have been a bunch of others. The Jaguars are probably what saved Larsen89 from being cut. NOW, MIND YOU, the Jaguars, to achieve this vaunted CBFL status last year, had to overcome the losses of starting DE Reggie Hayward, DT Marcus Stroud, LB Mike Peterson and SS Donovin Darius to injuries, ALL of which, save Darius, are returning to the Jags this year. So, this #4 defense of a year ago, for which was unearthed ALL KINDS of diamonds in the rough because of the injuries they endured, who is led by a defensive-minded head coach, under whose reign they have gotten significantly better EVERY YEAR, and NOW getting back THREE KEY missing STARTERS,... [smiley=ohshit.gif] AND, I got 'em in the 7th round here, THREE rounds later than "All in the Family" ;) took theirs... Not only is this not a "mysterious" pick,... this pick may be one of the best "value" picks in this draft [given its (defensive) emphasis] thus far. [smiley=booya.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 22nd, 2007, 6:36pm Let's not forget the Bears' ability to score a TD from the D/ST position. Combined with the stingy yards/points allowed makes for some nice production... Bears...9TDs Ravens...4TDs Pats...1TD Jags...1TD Bolts...1TD |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Larsen89 on Jul 22nd, 2007, 7:23pm I happen to think picking the Jags where he did was an excellent move and value in the 7th round...... However,.... just so the picker of the Jags this year doesn't get all the glory .... ;) They were an even BETTER pick in the 15th round!!!! ;D (thank you very much, Jags that is,...for saving my butt) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2007, 7:34pm on 07/22/07 at 19:23:53, Larsen89 wrote:
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 22nd, 2007, 8:21pm on 07/22/07 at 16:50:47, StegRock wrote:
Right along with the Broncos at 8.06 ;) (Who, I might add, have one of the "easier" schedules from a defensive perspective.) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2007, 8:25pm I'm basically with you Gene. But, the thing with MY Broncos is that,... no matter how good a Broncos defense ever looks going into a season,... they are always very unpredictable/unreliable away from home. That's what I've found. In a normal league, where you can switch them out, I think they have better value. Here you are stuck with them for better or worse. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 22nd, 2007, 8:34pm Don't forget, they have Jim Bates this year. He will not let them take any plays off. (P.S. If given the choice, I would have taken the Jag-offs over the Broncos also) With the way the draft was going, I was "forced" into picking a defense with my last pick because there were four teams who needed a defense that each got to pick TWICE before I got to pick again. There were only three defenses I was comfortable going with so I took one of them. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2007, 8:36pm Yea, no kidding... These guys takin' the defenses so early this year is a nightmare... [smiley=Freddie.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 22nd, 2007, 8:53pm I called and left a message for BW. I'm not sure when he will get it. [smiley=uh.gif] He must be [smiley=sleepers.gif] or maybe [smiley=pudwhacker.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 22nd, 2007, 9:59pm I was eating PT and left my cell in the car. I took the last of the good defenses, Miami. I think they'll have another good stat year. My pick at 9.01 I think was a good one in Mark Clayton. I think this is the year he breaks out. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 22nd, 2007, 10:06pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 9.03! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 22nd, 2007, 10:28pm Pheew [smiley=scared.gif] I really sweated out Braylon Edwards. I really wanted to take him with my prior pick, but I went defense instead. That little run of WRs almost did me in, but thankfully he was still there. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 22nd, 2007, 11:21pm good pick primetime...he was definitely on my radar. [smiley=cheers.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 23rd, 2007, 12:12am I could not decide between Edwards and Clayton. I almost took Edwards but think the QB situation is a bit cloudy in Cleveland. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2007, 12:25am I just got my 22nd-ranked running back... DB,... I think I may have just unseated you,... in my mind... It's close. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 23rd, 2007, 12:25pm Thanks for enlightening me on the Jacksonville Defense, they were better than I remembered and a relatively good value pick...though I like the Fred Taylor pick as your best value. I would have drafted Taylor earlier, but have way to many backs that may get injured to take another chance on Frigile Freddy. By the way my theory still held on the Jacksonville guy last year...as I recall (I think I'm right on this [smiley=uh.gif])...he went most of the season without a QB...both out with injuries a good part of the season...without a solid D would have not even made the cut. Thanks [smiley=uponreview.gif] and glad you got aboard the D train. The late D picks only become value picks because most don't make the pick earlier, not because of the reality of the need to have a good defense to win this league. You flat won't win this thing without a good defense whether you get it in the 3rd round or the 12th round. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2007, 6:31pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 10.05! [smiley=borg.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 23rd, 2007, 7:29pm Thanks for updateing those! (And for F***ink me up the A** with that Taylor pick :'() |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2007, 7:43pm on 07/23/07 at 19:29:22, PrimeTime wrote:
Mmmmm... [smiley=bendover.gif] You gots a sweet ass, Gene... Come on over and join me, Fred... [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 23rd, 2007, 8:22pm best value picks through round 9 Darrell Jackson 8.12 Braylon Edwards 9.05 Fred Taylor 9.11 Ladell Betts 9.07 Cadillac Williams 5.10 this is strictly my humble opinion and based on where i had these players ranked compared to where they were picked. good job guys! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 23rd, 2007, 11:35pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 10.12! :) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 24th, 2007, 8:34am Awesome Steg! Thanks! I thought I would polish off the last of the Titans - running backs that is. One of us will get lucky. :) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 24th, 2007, 1:23pm Kevin Jones...either a great value or a bust at 11.04. :-/ |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 24th, 2007, 3:09pm Brian Calhoun is where it's at in Detroit...have you all not figured this out yet?!?!?!?!?!?!?! [smiley=doh.gif] <wink><wink><nudge><nudge> |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Takamine305 on Jul 24th, 2007, 3:27pm I wish I would have prognosticated on the Steggo, Ron Dayne is it. ;D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 24th, 2007, 5:13pm Mark my words, Jerry Porter will be Oaklands #1 receiver this year and will contribute to Rickpins success. Perhaps one of the top value picks in the draft. I had the guy as my #2 last year and Art Shell head, mixed it up with the guy and virtually never saw the field all season. He will want to make a statement, with Shell gone and he reamains. [smiley=clap.gif] I had him on my next pick, thought he would be way under most radars. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 24th, 2007, 5:40pm Yea, he was the next receiver on my list. I almost took him the pick before because... (I can't say without showing cards)... But, in any event, it's a pretty good pick, for sure. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 24th, 2007, 6:04pm Did you feel that Rick? That was a pin going into the voodoo doll, jackass. [smiley=fumin.gif] [smiley=furious.gif] [smiley=frustrated.gif] [smiley=flipa.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 24th, 2007, 6:57pm [smiley=evil.gif] all part of the master plan! [smiley=thinking.gif] probably more like the blind squirrel theory. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 24th, 2007, 7:00pm on 07/24/07 at 17:13:37, cwhams wrote:
I must admit I do not follow the Raiders that closely, but Porter strikes me as a malcontent. I wonder if he doesn't get "his" way (ie not "enough balls" or poor QB play) if he will become a problem? The talent is there, but is his head? You West Coasters would know better than me. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 24th, 2007, 10:40pm and larsen89 corners the market on all players named "Brandon". [smiley=thinking.gif] very interesting. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 24th, 2007, 10:46pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 12.02! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 25th, 2007, 5:23pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 12.12! |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:23pm I didnt know that BW had a drinking problem. [smiley=alcoholic.gif] Bo Scaife? Are you kidding me? (just kidding BW. :DThere really is nothing left at TE now) |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:24pm on 07/25/07 at 17:23:24, StegRock wrote:
Awesome Job! Much appreciated. [smiley=bouncin.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:26pm on 07/25/07 at 22:17:03, PrimeTime wrote:
Honestly,... Primer,... not much... I couldn't take him. I had already taken my swing player, to wit, a fifth running back, Ron Dayne (to back up Ahman Green). I went with Dayne over Bell because I have Dayne ranked higher, Dayne #39, Bell #48, and I have Dayne ranked higher than Bell based on what I perceive to be a) a better chance of getting touches (than Bell) when the starter ahead of him is healthy, b) Green's being slightly more injury prone than Henry (although I know that's a close call to say the least, one that could even be judged oppositely), and c) Kubiak's deep-down love for Ronnie (whereas, I think Shanahan has come to see the light regarding Bell, i.e. that he is not very good). |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:33pm All kidding aside. You see a lot more Broncos games than I (and follow them closer than I do). Help me out with my other leagues where we havent drafted yet. Would you stay away from Mike Bell? I know he started last year and then he was benched. I thought he came back at the end of the year and played some more. Is he nothing more than a short yardage back? Is he a stiff who is over hyped? Who would be Henrys backup? |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:41pm I don't know if he's a stiff, but I do think he is over-hyped. He will be Henry's back-up, though, and to that degree has some value because we're talking the Broncos here. BUT, I do think that Shanny has, alas, found his workhorse in Henry. It's just a matter of if he'll break down. I think that Colorado State alum, Cecil Sapp, usually listed as a fullback, is an interesting super-sleeper. But, no matter what, you're rooting for an injury, which is never advisable. Barring injury, Bell is at best a #5 running back this year, perhaps a #4 in a DEEP league (like a GBRFL league). Put another way, Mike Bell had his chance to impress last year. He really didn't. He turned out to be just okay, a (very) poor man's Marion Barber. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 26th, 2007, 5:48am The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 14.03! [smiley=tired.gif] ... [smiley=wavinbye.gif] ... [smiley=sleepers.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:04am on 07/25/07 at 22:23:46, PrimeTime wrote:
We'll see at the end of the season PT who has drinking problem. :) He's one of my sleepers this year. We'll see. [smiley=shrug.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by PrimeTime on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:04am BW, Wait till you see my second TE. Then you will see me drinking ;D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rotoworldchris on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:10pm Thought I'd throw out the flyer on Holmes... Cuz what if... |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by rickgpin on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:25pm nice pick up of michael jenkins in the 15th round Chili! [smiley=madashell.gif] i was foolishly hoping he would be available for my last pick. now it's back to the drawing board. [smiley=thinking.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Chili D. on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:10am thanks, rick. Just hoping that having Horn might open things up for Jenkins to get a couple of looks for me. Sorry for foiling that up for you. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:10am The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the latest pick, 15.12! [smiley=borg.gif] Just one round to go... |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Jul 27th, 2007, 9:17pm The "Cheatsheets" in the initial post of the thread have been updated through the end of the CBFL Draft, pick 16.12! [smiley=bow.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by cwhams on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:32pm :o Thanks to Steg for the draft, it was interesting. Sorry you will not be doing an analysis this year, though you were a bit off base with the cwhams prediction of a very distant dead last finish last season. I would not take exception to that kind of prediction this year...auhhh...but the "D" may keep me in for one more year. :-/ There are some exceptional teams out there. Congrats to all!!!!!!!!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Aug 3rd, 2007, 6:20am on 08/02/07 at 21:46:31, cwhams wrote:
Well, I have to be honest. Like most, I suppose,... I really like my team. The only concern is injury, which is a serious concern in this format, granted. But, overall, I firmly believe I got solid to excellent value at every pick and achieved good positional balance, fulfilling the roster requirements at a nice pace. So, on a roster that's all good, ;) here's what I think are my bests and worsts... Best pick straight up - Torry Holt at 3.03. He single-handedly legitimizes my receiving corps as one of the top sets in the league. A top-tier, top-three wideout after getting two high-octane running backs,... [smiley=woohoo.gif] Best value pick - It HAS TO be Fred Taylor at 9.11, period. What a fourth running back to add. Worst pick straight up - Ron Dayne at 11.07. Mind you, value-wise, he was the next running back on my list (#39). I know of two owners that would have grabbed him before my 12th round pick. But, I hated taking a FIFTH guy at a position, i.e. my swing player, that early and a handcuff at that. Another receiver, a quarterback or a tight-end would have, to some degree, made more sense. The saving grace is that he's a "Steggie [smiley=smitten.gif] guy". If, for example, it was Mike Bell there at that pick, it would have been a much less pleasurable pill to swallow. All in all, Dayne was a pick that made some sense for my team. Worst value pick- Cedric Benson at 2.04. Again, a "Steggie [smiley=smitten.gif] guy", so that saves the day. However, the fact is that I had a running back ranked ahead of him. Thomas Jones at #11; Benson was #13. I went with my heart here, but my rankings are what they are. I did not maximize my value according to my very own rankings, which is never a good thing. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Aug 3rd, 2007, 9:23am on 08/03/07 at 06:20:01, StegRock wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what makes a "Steggie guy" a Steggie guy? |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Aug 3rd, 2007, 4:22pm Well, the easy answer is that I also have them on my (currently still putrid) GBRFL team. The more "complex" answer is that I, like many a fantasy footballer, take a liking to certain players for various reasons ranging from a history of solid performance for your fantasy team to a perception that the player hasn't gotten a fair shake in the NFL to seeing the guy in an interview and being impressed with his character to style of play to, if you are a female or... "go that way", looks and a good ass and so on... You guys who hang here have seen me GO ON about Ron Dayne. There are others that should be obvious "Steggie guys" to you guys who hang here. You can probably name them: Brad Johnson, Jake Plummer, Robert Smith, Curtis Martin, Nick Goings (of course, pretty much all those guys are retired or about to), just to quickly name a few... |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Aug 3rd, 2007, 9:56pm The RBs, for the most part (Curtis Martin aside), seem to be the guys who are a flash-in-the-pan type... Nick Goings had a few good games in relief for the Panthers, and then disappeared. James Jackson showed some potential for the Browns, and then fell back down the depth chart and disappeared. Ron Dayne was all-everything in HS and college, and has done nothing but tease in the NFL. Cedric Benson, the newest of the Steggie guys, again has all the potential, but hasn't broken out (although he'll get his chance this year). I thought that might be the common thread, but then when you throw other positions in it didn't seem to fit. Jake Plummer certainly had his chance and did more than flash potential, but he never rose to the elite level. Same deal with Brad Johnson. |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:25pm on 08/03/07 at 21:56:38, Philly wrote:
First off, bro... ?.?.? Uhhhhhhhh,... I never mentioned James Jackson. In fact, there wasn't a James or a Jackson on my list. There was a Robert Smith, who had a nice career, cut short for reasons, which actually contribute to making him a favorite of mine even though it cost me fantasy-wise in the GBRFL. But, in any event, analyzing this the way you are is wrongheaded to begin with. This is my heart that you are trying to dissect here. My best of best fantasy footballing friends probably couldn't give the rhyme or reason behind this unless I happened to mention it to them and they had an incredible memory. The reasons span the spectrum of human thoughts and emotions. With Curtis Martin and Robert Smith, it's partially tied to that 1996 draft I recently mentioned up on the "Jets Offseason Report" thread up in "the Red Zone", incidentally, a direction that did not even dawn on you to go in, brother, I'm sure. Perhaps, you didn't even read that post, but that just speaks to the "incalculability" of this. With Martin it continues with the usual,... stand-up guy, and then there is a bunch of GBRFL history I wouldn't dare to even try to chronicle as it probably amounts to a book. It's all "incalculable". With Smith it was, in particular, his respect for education and his aspirations to become a doctor. Gee, that's your usual fantasy football spreadsheet fodder. ;) Incidentally, this is something I like about Samkon Gado, but I've never had him on a fantasy team, and his career has been excessively short. Hell, I didn't even mention here, because they go back quite a bit, the two guys I will call my all-time favorites down on "the Sidelines" on MC's "Who's your favorite player of all time?" thread. I mean that thread is not fantasy-specific, but I'd list those guys here too. Moving right along,... Plummer,... saw that final bowl game of his. Fell in love with him there. He reminded me of a mini-Elway,... eh-hem,... and finally did make his way to Denver. He was one of "The Two Jakes" of that GBRFL Championship squad. ... Okay,... enough. And, on and on... I mean... you're not going to "figure this out"... because there is nothing here to figure out. In fact, [smiley=yinandyang.gif] once you've figured out that there is nothing to figure out, you've figured it out. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Aug 6th, 2007, 2:15pm on 08/03/07 at 23:25:27, StegRock wrote:
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 6th, 2007, 2:19pm on 08/03/07 at 23:25:27, StegRock wrote:
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by StegRock on Aug 6th, 2007, 6:55pm on 08/06/07 at 14:15:36, Philly wrote:
I actually thought that was what you were doing, my friend, and I do thank you for that, [smiley=bow.gif] and it did give me pause as I typed up my post. But, I thought why stop shooting straight now. That's not going to help us get to know one another. In fact, that's the only way there'll ever be any progress. ... It's all about the "how", not the "what", though... Quote:
And, just a note on this one,... even though I used the phrase "dissect my heart", in this kind of philosophical context, I don't really make a distinction between heart and mind. In the East, [smiley=zenmaster.gif] it's xin or the "heart-mind". I'm on that side philosophically as opposed to the incessantly dualistic model so pervasive in western thought. Logos and pathos need to be made one again. [smiley=yinandyang.gif] |
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Title: Re: 2007 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread Post by Philly on Aug 6th, 2007, 11:24pm on 08/06/07 at 18:55:12, StegRock wrote:
That's a good thing, because I'm still here in the East. How's the move out to the West treating you? ;D |
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