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(Message started by: StegRock on Jun 19th, 2009, 3:37am)

Title: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 19th, 2009, 3:37am
On this, the very first post of this thread, I will maintain position-by-position cheatsheets.  This will also act as the CBFL Draft commentary (and [smiley=ssoscar.gif] trash-talk ;)) thread.  PLEASE do NOT put comments on the picks and administration/league discussion (IN-HOUSE) threads on the CBFL board!  Put comments on picks and how the draft is unfolding HERE!  Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif]

Cheatsheets
(To view the actual draft, go to:  http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=54;action=display;num=1245397026.)

QB's
1. Drew Brees - Saints
2. Tom Brady - Patriots
3. Peyton Manning - Colts
4. Kurt Warner - Cardinals
5. Phillip Rivers - Chargers
6. Aaron Rodgers - Packers
7. Donovan McNabb - Eagles
8. Tony Romo - Cowboys
9. Matt Ryan - Falcons
10. Matt Schaub - Texans
11. Carson Palmer - Bengals
12. Jay Cutler - Bears
13. Ben Roethlisberger - Steelers
14. JaMarcus Russell - Raiders
15. Eli Manning - Giants
16. Kyle Orton - Broncos
17. Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
18. Brett Favre - Free-agent
19. Matt Cassel - Chiefs
20. David Garrard - Jaguars


RB's
1. Adrian Peterson - Vikings
2. Matt Forte - Bears
3. Steven Jackson - Rams
4. Maurice Jones-Drew - Jaguars
5. Chris Johnson - Titans
6. Michael Turner - Falcons
7. DeAngelo Williams - Panthers
8. Frank Gore - 49ers
9. LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers
10. Steve Slaton - Texans
11. Brian Westbrook - Eagles
12. Brandon Jacobs - Giants
13. Clinton Portis - Redskins
14. Marion Barber - Cowboys
15. Ronnie Brown - Dolphins
16. Thomas Jones - Jets
17. Ryan Grant - Packers
18. Pierre Thomas - Saints
19. Larry Johnson - Chiefs
20. Darren McFadden - Raiders
21. Kevin Smith - Lions
22. Reggie Bush - Saints
23. Willie Parker - Steelers
24. Marshawn Lynch - Bills
25. Knowshon Moreno - Broncos
26. Joseph Addai - Colts
27. Jonathan Stewart - Panthers
28. Jamal Lewis - Browns
29. Chris Wells - Cardinals
30. Cedric Benson - Bengals
31. Derrick Ward - Buccaneers
32. LenDale White - Titans
33. Fred Taylor - Patriots
34. Felix Jones - Cowboys
35. Ray Rice - Ravens


WR's
1. Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals
2. Randy Moss - Patriots
3. Andre Johnson - Texans
4. Calvin Johnson - Lions
5. Reggie Wayne - Colts
6. Greg Jennings - Packers
7. Marques Colston - Saints
8. Roddy White - Falcons
9. Steve Smith - Panthers
10. Anquan Boldin - Cardinals
11. Dwayne Bowe - Chiefs
12. Terrell Owens - Bills
13. Chad Ochocinco - Bengals
14. Wes Welker - Patriots
15. Santonio Holmes - Steelers
16. Roy Williams - Cowboys
17. T. J. Houshmandzadeh - Seahawks
18. Vincent Jackson - Chargers
19. Anthony Gonzalez - Colts
20. Antonio Bryant - Buccaneers
21. Brandon Marshall - Broncos
22. Braylon Edwards - Browns
23. DeSean Jackson - Eagles
24. Hines Ward - Steelers
25. Jerricho Cotchery - Jets
26. Bernard Berrian - Vikings
27. Lance Moore - Saints
28. Santana Moss - Redskins
29. Derrick Mason - Ravens
30. Devin Hester - Bears
31. Lee Evans - Bills
32. Percy Harvin - Vikings
33. Laveranues Coles - Bengals


TE's
1. Jason Witten - Cowboys
2. Antonio Gates - Chargers
3. Tony Gonzalez - Falcons
4. Dallas Clark - Colts
5. Greg Olson - Bears
6. Chris Cooley - Redskins
7. Owen Daniels - Texans
8. John Carlson - Seahawks
9. Kellen Winslow - Buccaneers
10. Jeremy Shockey - Saints
11. Kevin Boss - Giants
12. Zach Miller - Raiders
13. Heath Miller - Steelers
14. Visanthe Shiancoe - Vikings
15. Dustin Keller - Jets
16. Brent Celek - Eagles


PK's
1. Stephen Gostkowski - Patriots
2. Nate Kaeding - Chargers
3. Rob Bironas - Titans
4. David Akers - Eagles
5. Mason Crosby - Packers
6. Garrett Hartley - Chiefs
7. Robbie Gould - Bears
8. Jason Elam - Falcons
9. Ryan Longwell - Vikings
10. Neil Rackers - Cardinals
11. John Kasay - Panthers
12. Kris Brown - Texans
13. Rian Lindell - Bills
14. Lawrence Tynes - Giants
15. Adam Vinatieri - Colts
16. Nick Folk - Cowboys


D/ST's
1. Pittsburgh Steelers
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Tennessee Titans
4. Minnesota Vikings
5. Philadelphia Eagles
6. New York Jets
7. New York Giants
8. New England Patriots



Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 19th, 2009, 12:47pm

on 06/19/09 at 12:39:25, cwhams wrote:
1.02 - RB Matt Forte - Bears


At the end of the day, after thorough overnight osmotic [smiley=yawn.gif] contemplation, ;) that's who I too would have taken second!  I was hoping he would fall to me... :-/ So much for that hope...  Great pick, Dubs! [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 19th, 2009, 1:18pm
It is, in fact, who young Takamine would have taken as well.  We love those Bears! [smiley=booya.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 19th, 2009, 1:23pm

on 06/19/09 at 13:18:37, cwhams wrote:
It is, in fact, who young Takamine would have taken as well.  We love those Bears! [smiley=booya.gif]


Great minds... around [smiley=dog.gif] Salukiland... think alike!!! [smiley=woohoo.gif]

Though they were good, you two did make homer [smiley=simphomer.gif] picks, I must say. [smiley=whistle.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Takamine305 on Jun 19th, 2009, 1:51pm
I wanted Forte...

I think the safest choice for 3rd selection would have been Michael Turner (who's still alive at #5!!).

I went with SJAX, though, like steg had mentioned for the Homer pick...He's worth this high of a selection and Rams games are easy to come by around here...Hopefully he stays healthy and the Rams offense get it going this year!!

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DB on Jun 19th, 2009, 4:24pm
Yeah, I was waffling at 4 between MJD and Turner.  Can't believe Turner made it to round 2.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 19th, 2009, 7:23pm
I had Turner as the #3 RB in the league, go figure. ?.?.?

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 19th, 2009, 9:00pm

on 06/19/09 at 20:52:17, rickgpin wrote:
3.05 - RB Brandon Jacobs - Giants


You took my Saluki, [smiley=dog.gif] damn it!!! ;)

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 19th, 2009, 9:36pm
I met Brandon at the Fellowship of Christian Athletes a couple of months ago on the campus of SIU.  He comes across as a very humble, very nice individual.

In terms of size...he is the biggest running back I've ever seen.  Looks more like a tight end or big linebacker!  Every bit as big as advertised.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 19th, 2009, 11:32pm
Best/Worst picks so far...???

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 20th, 2009, 12:20am
I like Boldin at 4.05 as a great value pick.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 20th, 2009, 4:08pm
I really like the Larry Johnson pick at 6.06.  I was SERIOUSLY wrestling with whether or not to take him with my last pick at 6.02!  VERY nice pick, Nateman!

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 21st, 2009, 12:10am
Half-time report...


on 06/19/09 at 23:32:06, StegRock wrote:
Best/Worst picks so far...???


Well,... if I liked LJ at 6.06, I must admit that I LOVE Willie Parker at 8.02... and, for that matter, Reggie Bush at 7.07, as well!  In fact, I had LJ, Bush, Parker and K. Smith (and maybe...???), in that order, at the end of a tier there.

The pick I was most "pressed" in making was Dallas Clark at 6.02.  I hated taking, what I consider to be, the top guy of the next tier at the position, which in and of itself is not an entirely bad thing, but I took him right after, what I consider to be, the last guy of the top tier, that is, Tony G.  So, with that said, Gonzalez was a great value pick for Chili.

Anyway, overall, I'm very happy here at half-time!  What are you guys thinking about your respective teams, about anybody's team?

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by rickgpin on Jun 21st, 2009, 12:44am
boy it's hard to say that any team really stands out.  with fewer teams, everyone seems to have at least 1 top tier player at most positions.  

i don't like my last few picks at wide receiver...i might have outsmarted myself.  i think that kevin smith late in the 7th round was a sold pick by primetime.  i must have drafted next to primetime in the past because i seem to remember him taking players i was hoping would fall to me.

glad the cbfl is back!

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 21st, 2009, 2:16pm
Can I trade this 9.07 pick, please??? ;)

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2009, 1:09am

on 06/22/09 at 01:02:57, Takamine305 wrote:
11.03 - RB Cedric Benson - Bengals


Like it or lump it...  That might very well have been the steal of the draft. [smiley=clap.gif]

I'm thinking on some level, though, Nateman, [smiley=bear.gif] that was an uncomfortable pick for you to make. [smiley=pussycat.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Takamine305 on Jun 22nd, 2009, 2:14am
I was looking at WRs here cause I'm just not real confident I made a very good pick with Ochocinco....

Then noticed I had only 3 RBs still and Benson was really best available on the board.  I am tickled to get this guy in round 11 but remembered picking him as my #2 RB a couple years ago and finished last place in my own league...lol...ugh!!!

Rick swiped my Eagles D pick so went with the self proclaimed best D of '09...J.E.T.S JETS!!  ;)

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:05am
Just to let everybody know, guests and participants alike,... the rankings cheatsheets in the initial post of this thread are current, through the latest pick 11.03.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:42am

on 06/22/09 at 01:09:33, StegRock wrote:
Like it or lump it...  That might very well have been the steal of the draft. [smiley=clap.gif]

I'm thinking on some level, though, Nateman, [smiley=bear.gif] that was an uncomfortable pick for you to make. [smiley=pussycat.gif]


I believe Benson is a good selection at 11.03, as would be any starting running back chosen in the 11th round.  Benson has had a grand total of 4 good games in a row in the totality of his career.  Perhaps he will extend the streak he started last year?  ?.?.?

Make note of the fact that Benson had 38 carries in the game at Cleveland that he got 171 yards...no TDs.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DB on Jun 22nd, 2009, 12:24pm
Jay Culter really took a hit this year, huh?  If things had remained status quo in Denver, he would have been the 4th QB taken instead of the 12th.  I passed on him twice, taking Romo and Ryan.  I actually think Culter should be ranked ahead of Ryan but it was close enough in my mind that I could justify taking the guy I would rather root for this year.   :-/

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jun 22nd, 2009, 12:53pm
Couldn't agree with you more, DB. Even though I have a "rooting" interest in Cutler via GBRFL, I would much rather cheer on Ryan.

I do think Cutler still has the potential and ability to be an amazing QB in the NFL. I just don't know if he can do the amount of growing up he needs to do.

And just from a CBFL view (and I hate to say it because I think it's becoming apparent that this guy could be a troubled player), my personal vote for "steal" in this draft is Brandon Marshall. IF he does not get suspended and IF he comes to his senses soon and works with the Broncos for a trade or to stay, I think he will have the same, if not better, season as he did two years ago. He has all the talent in the world. He just makes absolutely horrible decisions off the field.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:11pm

on 06/22/09 at 12:24:38, DB wrote:
I actually think Culter...


Now, Ann Coulter,... that's a who different thing. ;)


on 06/22/09 at 12:53:19, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
... my personal vote for "steal" in this draft is Brandon Marshall. IF he does not get suspended and IF he comes to his senses soon and works with the Broncos for a trade or to stay, I think he will have the same, if not better, season as he did two years ago.


... And, a third conditional you missed, IF noodles, Kyle Orton, can get him the ball like Cutler used to, assuming he remains a Bronco.  And, vis-a-vis that last conditional, Markie, you are a little bit stuck in your logic here insofar as you took Cutler, who will now quarterback Orton's old team, over Orton, who will now quarterback Cutler's old team, which, GBRFL aside, matter-of-factly indicates how much better of a quarterback than Orton you think Cutler is given, the fact that you are a diehard Broncos fan aside, how much friendlier of a situation Orton finds himself in, moreover, presumably throwing the ball to Marshall.  Your one way out would be for you to contend that Marshall will land in Chicago this year, which I don't think has a snowball's chance in hell of happening as long as the Broncos' management has anything to say about it, and in fact they have all to say about it.  Plax's going to Chicago would help your position, but that is far from a sure thing and still doesn't overcome the logic of your position, assuming Marshall remains a Bronco that is.  Again, in short, insofar as it is possible that Marshall will remain a Bronco, your position assumes that Orton will be able to deliver the ball to him just as well, if not better, than Cutler did (if his numbers are to be just as good, if not better, this year as you say).  But, that is largely belied by your selecting Cutler, the Bear, over Orton, the Bronco.  We are left with, though not strictly speaking (but when is applied logic ever useful strictly speaking), generally speaking, a logical contradiction of sorts that you can't easily argue your way out of without giving something up. [smiley=uponreview.gif]

Moving right along... [smiley=thinking.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jun 22nd, 2009, 3:55pm

on 06/22/09 at 15:11:31, StegRock wrote:
...you are a little bit stuck in your logic here insofar as you took Cutler, who will now quarterback Orton's old team, over Orton, who will now quarterback Cutler's old team, which, GBRFL aside, matter-of-factly indicates how much better of a quarterback than Orton you think Cutler is given, the fact that you are a diehard Broncos fan aside, how much friendlier of a situation Orton finds himself in, moreover, presumably throwing the ball to Marshall.


[smiley=spock.jpg]

Taking Cutler over Orton simply means that I am fine with taking the chance that I believe Cutler is a more talented QB than Orton. I believe the tools around Cutler do not necessarily have to be all-pro to allow him good fantasy stats (although by CBFL standards and a discussion directly above on this very same thread, he is working with the #2 overall fantasy player, so...)

As you well know, there were many years that John Elway had sub-par talent surrounding him and yet he still posted viable fantasy numbers. Am I comparing Cutler to Elway? Absolutely not. Just comparing the surrounding talent situation. Tom Brady had some pretty good fantasy numbers without Randy Moss. Who was his all-pro target then?


on 06/22/09 at 15:11:31, StegRock wrote:
Your one way out would be for you to contend that Marshall will land in Chicago this year, which I don't think has a snowball's chance in hell of happening as long as the Broncos' management has anything to say about it, and in fact they have all to say about it.  Plax's going to Chicago would help your position, but that is far from a sure thing and still doesn't overcome the logic of your position, assuming Marshall remains a Bronco that is.  Again, in short, insofar as it is possible that Marshall will remain a Bronco, your position assumes that Orton will be able to deliver the ball to him just as well, if not better, than Cutler did (if his numbers are to be just as good, if not better, this year as you say).  But, that is largely belied by your selecting Cutler, the Bear, over Orton, the Bronco.  We are left with, though not strictly speaking (but when is applied logic ever useful strictly speaking), generally speaking, a logical contradiction of sorts that you can't easily argue your way out of without giving something up. [smiley=uponreview.gif]


Two words will suffice to refute your faulty reasoning here:

Calvin Johnson (1,331 yds, 12 tds)

Who was the superstar QB to whip him the ball last year - Montana? Young? A finally healthy Favre? No to all three. Here is the list of the QBs who got him the ball:
  • Orlovsky
  • Kitna
  • Culpeeper
  • Stanton (who should be a starer in my opinion [smiley=whistle.gif])


Do I think Marshall is as talented as CJ? Absolutely and without a doubt. Is he the same mentally? I highly doubt it. But singularly based on your theory, the Detroit QB should be off the board by now.

He isn't, and you are a pillow-biter.

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 22nd, 2009, 6:47pm

on 06/22/09 at 15:55:22, Drew Rosenhaus wrote:
Taking Cutler over Orton simply means that I am fine with taking the chance that I believe Cutler is a more talented QB than Orton. I believe the tools around Cutler do not necessarily have to be all-pro to allow him good fantasy stats (although by CBFL standards and a discussion directly above on this very same thread, he is working with the #2 overall fantasy player, so...)


Markie, you are going a little apples and oranges here on me with the Lions comparison.  What makes this situation with Cutler and Orton and the Bears and Broncos so readily amenable to logical analysis is that it is a rare "exact switcheroo".  The only substantial change on either end is the Broncos' coaching situation, which actually should prove to be MORE passer-friendly than Shanahan's.  In fact, further pushing the envelope on the logical argument here, I take it to be the case that, making the analysis here even easier, the Bears and Broncos are teams of similar quality, heading into the season at least.  At any rate, normally, in these kinds of analyses, there are just too many variables to treat of the situations analogously, no less logically.  Usually you have to consider the humungous factors of the teams' relative "overall quality" and "system" and on and on.  At least, both of those overarching factors factor into how much a team is going to be in passing and rushing situations, respectively, i.e., some systems are more pass happy and some teams find themselves playing catch-up more often than not.  I find at least the latter to be the situation of the Lions.  In any event, it's a whole nother situation, bringing with it a whole nother set of variables (especially since it's the Lions) unrelated to the one at hand.  With that said, we need not go there.  Needlessly bringing in an analogue, the Lions in this case, serves only to muddy the waters of what is otherwise a very clear logically analyzable situation, which, mind you, is a RARE TREAT for us analytic(ally-disposed) philosophers.

So, my ultimate point is that you can't just "simply" make the claim you do.  I mean... you can simply justify it in your own mind, but you cannot simply make the case, especially in this case where the guts are so unusually exposed (to logical analysis).  Ultimately, contradictions only appear in language insofar as words canNOT capture reality.  Contradictions do NOT appear in REALITY. [smiley=zenmaster.gif] You can ultimately think that Marshall is the get of this draft, hell, have drafted him yourself, AND still draft Cutler over Orton.  I'm just saying that due to the rare interconnectedness manifest in this situation and, consequent, logical analyzability of this particular situation (logical) commitments are more readily exposed, commitments which may cause you to adjust your position or abandon certain points in your position.  Everything becomes more hard-pressed to justify in this situation.  I was just about to say that one out for you is to claim that Orton will be a different, significantly improved quarterback in Denver than he was in Chicago.  But, even that is tenuous because then the justification of drafting Cutler over Orton becomes, not impossible, but strained.  What you'd have to do is put the major emphasis of your argument on the one point of change here, that is, the arrival of McDaniels and his system in Denver.  I'm not sure you want to do that, though.  On the Marshall side of the ball, you'd want to place the emphasis on the chances that he may end up elsewhere, but you didn't do that.  In fact, you explicitly included the possibility of his remaining in Denver.  Anyway, I'm just saying that this is all more interrelated than we usually see with this stuff,... and that's what makes this particular situation (philosophically/analytically) fun. [smiley=letsmakeup.gif] Hence, let's keep the discussion of this particular, rather self-contained situation REALLY tight. :)

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Takamine305 on Jun 22nd, 2009, 10:11pm
Stegman,

Took my winslow pick this round...I think as far as TE's go you pretty much got a steal with that pick!!  I thought I was in line for yet another steal pick but it was stolen before I could get to it!!  lol

I liked Winslow a few rounds earlier and LOVE him at that position...

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 23rd, 2009, 11:57am
I'm liking Percy Harvin, in his situation, as best rookie WR in the NFL.  Could contribute to my point totals on several occassions.  ;D

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by DB on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:33pm
Whoever took Felix Jones got a good deal.  I almost took him as my fourth RB a couple rounds ago.  He will have a few big games if he stays healthy.

I don't see any particularly good or weak teams out there.  Before anyone makes preductions, just remember last time when people made predictions, I was picked 9th and CW was picked 10th.  Of course, CW won the thing and I came in 2nd.  So, you never really know.  


Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 23rd, 2009, 3:38pm

on 06/23/09 at 15:37:33, StegRock wrote:
14.02 - QB Brett Favre - Free-agent

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Takamine305 on Jun 23rd, 2009, 7:57pm
Might as well just played with 15 picks rather then taken old man Favre??  hahaha

:P   :o   ;)

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by cwhams on Jun 23rd, 2009, 9:41pm
I do believe their may be a team or three with an edge...but there are eight very good teams...my projection:

THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF POINTS SCORED THIS YEAR.  THE TEAMS NEAR THE BOTTOM MAY ACTUALLY SURPASS MY WINNING TOTAL LAST SEASON.

That should make things pretty fun all season...unless of course you saddled yourself with a poor defense!  ;)javascript:wink()

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Takamine305 on Jun 24th, 2009, 1:35am
I think it will be tough to keep up with Rosenhaus, my pick to win this leauge...

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 24th, 2009, 2:56am

on 06/24/09 at 01:35:54, Takamine305 wrote:
I think it will be tough to keep up with Rosenhaus, my pick to win this leauge...


Don't see it...

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Philly on Jun 24th, 2009, 10:31am
<-- wonders how Ray Rice lasted so long. I'll admit some small amount of bias as a fellow graduate from the banks of the old Raritan, but still...

?.?.?

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Takamine305 on Jun 24th, 2009, 11:58am

on 06/24/09 at 02:56:39, StegRock wrote:
Don't see it...



I thought he had the Pittsburgh Defense...I still think it's one of the most solid of the bunch...maybe not quite as solid with NYG D...

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Jun 24th, 2009, 12:06pm

on 06/24/09 at 02:56:39, StegRock wrote:
Don't see it...

Oh, but I do...

[smiley=ninja.gif]



In all seriousness, good luck to all - this should be a fun ride!

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 25th, 2009, 1:52am
Well, I was just at CBSSportsline.com, and they seem to agree with Tak's take about Markie's squad. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jun 26th, 2009, 10:57pm
Anyway, to pick up on a discussion some of us were having in the chatroom several nights back, it was mentioned that the luck [smiley=shammy.gif] factor would be greater than ever in this year's CBFL due to the fielding of only eight teams instead of the usual twelve.  I would need to hear this position teased out because I don't buy the claim on its face.  In fact, I take the contrary to be the case.  I can think of two ways off the top of my head that I take it to be the case that luck is minimized vis-a-vis this year's format.

One, the players drafted were by and large "known quantities", so to speak.  The "reaches" were fewer and farther between.  To the degree that participants did reach with their picks, they had to justify it (in their own minds) against more established or at least well-known players.  This is as opposed to the twelve-team format which rendered rounds 11 through 16 to "reaches, deep sleepers, and ultimately guesswork" or, even luckier yet, the unusual overlooked player when it came to drafting the key skill-position players.  Since I run the stats, I saw that oftentimes these late-round draft picks made a huge difference.  Meanwhile, in reality, it's like "your guess is as good as mine."  It was like whoever's late-round guesses panned out REALLY had a big advantage over those whose didn't.  I mean someone who would have pulled Eddie Royal out of his ass in Round 16 last year would have made out much better than the chap who took, say, a much more legit pick like Anthony Gonzalez late in the draft.  To wit, in this year's draft, Eddie Royal wasn't even drafted.  Now that's not to say nobody reached with a pick, but that's different than a portion of the draft's being almost total guesswork and all about luck.  If you reached, you chose to reach.  If you took a lesser known or unknown quantity over a better known quantity, you chose to do so.  For ALL of us who passed on Eddie Royal, we chose to do so.  Percy Harvin was chosen, quite literally, over Royal, not part of some draft end-game where we're all reaching for straws, but those whose straws happen to pan out have lucked into a big advantage.

Two, 33% fewer defenses/special teams had to be taken.  This logically means, especially since I take it to be the case that this is a fairly astute group [smiley=sophisticate.gif] of fantasy footballers, a potential decreased differential between the top defense and the bottom one.  I take it that the category of D/ST is a great source of luck, especially in this early-draft, no-transactions, best-ball format.  Moreover, generally, it's a notoriously difficult position to predict.  Yet, it accounts for a bunch of points.  At least, the luck factor as regards D/ST has been reduced, at least potentially, by 33%.

Well, that's my "off the top of my head" case for luck's being less of a factor in the CBFL this year.  I see little to no evidence to the contrary, save for the usual stuff which applies to every fantasy football league. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 14th, 2009, 10:55pm

on 06/22/09 at 19:40:25, Chili D. wrote:
12.01 - WR Derrick Mason - Ravens



on 07/14/09 at 22:51:38, StegRock wrote:
BUT, MOREOVER, in BIGGER news at the moment,... no deal apparently necessary for another... :o

Ravens' Derrick Mason tells JockLife.com he's retiring (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/ravens/2009-07-13-mason-status_N.htm?csp=34)
USA TODAY: Sports (13.07.2009 18:16)
Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Derrick Mason told a sports website on Monday he's retiring from the NFL. Baltimore Ravens wide ...


YYYYYOUCH, Chili!!! [smiley=cantcatch.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Jul 29th, 2009, 5:43pm

on 07/28/09 at 19:13:10, StegRock wrote:
Favre decides, alas, to call it a day...  From "The REAL Feed":

Report: Brett Favre tells Minnesota Vikings he'll remain retired (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4362093&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)
ESPN: NFL (28.07.2009 16:21)
Quarterback Brett Favre has informed Minnesota officials that he will remain retired.


[offtopic]I knew I was rolling the dice. [smiley=dice.gif] But, nevertheless, my CBFL team surely takes a hit here:  http://fantasyfootballer.com/cbfl/. [smiley=shootmyself.gif] ... :-/ Thank God I have Drew Brees! ;) ... [smiley=whistle.gif][/offtopic]


Guess I shouldn't have gone throwing rocks at Chili 8-) from in this glass house of mine (and by "glass" I surely don't mean crystal ball)... :-/ ... [smiley=no.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Aug 2nd, 2009, 12:18am

on 07/29/09 at 17:43:57, StegRock wrote:
Guess I shouldn't have gone throwing rocks at Chili 8-) from in this glass house of mine (and by "glass" I surely don't mean crystal ball)... :-/ ... [smiley=no.gif]


...


on 08/02/09 at 00:12:53, StegRock wrote:
Mason's back... according to this LOCAL report rolling [smiley=rollin.gif] off "The REAL Feed":

Mason returns to Ravens (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-mason801,0,7667723.story)
SunSpot.net - Sports (01.08.2009 18:06)
Wide receiver meets with Harbaugh, Newsome but doesn't announce he'll be back; 'I still haven't made my decision'

Wide receiver Derrick Mason will end his retirement and return to the Ravens. According ...

Title: Re: 2009 CBFL Cheatsheets/Commentary Thread
Post by StegRock on Aug 18th, 2009, 5:54pm
Spoke too soon...


on 08/18/09 at 17:48:00, StegRock wrote:
Quarterback quandary over...  Favre in camp, after ALL...  From "The REAL Feed":

Favre back on practice field after signing deal with Vikings (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/vikings/2009-08-18-favre_N.htm?csp=34)
USA TODAY: Sports (18.08.2009 14:12)
The Minnesota Vikings say they have a deal to bring Brett Favre back to the NFL. The 39-year-old quarterback took a plane to ...


Thank God... [smiley=booya.gif]



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