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(Message started by: StegRock on Mar 4^th, 2003, 4:10pm)

Title: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron" & Site
Post by StegRock on Mar 4^th, 2003, 4:10pm

Fellas, I just got an instant message from one of our members pointing out his receiving the following error message from time to time these days on "the Gridiron":

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Possible reasons for this error may include:

1) You have not uploaded your scripts in the right format.
Upload your scripts in ASCII format, not binary format. This is done with an FTP program.
Look in your FTP program's help index for "ASCII transfer mode" or "ASCII transfer".

2) The permissions for your script are not set to executable.
All CGI scripts must be "chmodded" in order to be executable by the webserver.
This is also done with an FTP client (such as CuteFTP or WS_FTP).
Typically, executable file permissions should be set to 0755 or rwxr-xr-x (read, write, execute).
Look in your FTP program's help index for "chmod".

3) Your scripts are not configured correctly.
Make sure that the path to perl in your script is /usr/bin/perl .
The path to sendmail is /usr/lib/sendmail.

Following the instructions above usually solves the problem 99% of the time.

This is my message back to him and all of you:

Yea, we're probably startin' to beat the fuck out of my server pretty bad. I have gotten the same message on occasion, but it usually goes away with one refresh, and doesn't bother me too much... at least not yet. When the expiration of my account comes up at Hostica in July, I will probably upgrade a level or two. For the time being, these are just the small nuisances we are all going to have to (potentially continue to) put up with while this remains a totally free site, a fact which I do not see changing until, at best, the 2004 season. Sorry for the inconvenience. But, unfortunately the "fix" is out of my hands. Again, I think it is just because we are pounding this server (in relation to the limits of my current web-hosting plan). Well, be in touch!

First off, I want to thank the poster who cares enough and took the time to contact me on the issue. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] And, I appreciate all of your patience. [smiley=bow.gif] Please always try to keep in mind that I am doing this a) for the love of this hobby, b) as a service to each of you and c) to give you all the opportunity to express your FF views in a fun, but no-nonsense environment as well as the chance to grow from the ground floor up with and influence the growth of our budding site. I hope to be sharing the "wealth" with those of you who have been around making significant contributions during the early going, these formative stages. I am...

...Sincerely,
Steve Stegeman a.k.a. StegRock

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 4^th, 2003, 4:22pm

I got that message a few times today for the first time, and like you Steve, it went away with one click of the refresh button. No biggie...

And thank you for all of your hard work, keeping this site free, fun, and free of garbage posters!

You rock!!! [smiley=headbanger.gif]

(That's enough butt kissing for one day...) :-*

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Shaggy 420 on Mar 4^th, 2003, 6:10pm

No biggie at all. Has occured so few times and always clears with a refresh, I thought it might be my end.

Great job o' Steggiesan [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 4^th, 2003, 7:54pm

Would it help to delete some of the old threads? Such as the ones....."who should I start this week?? "

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 4^th, 2003, 9:06pm

and I thought it was just me getting the error messages.... considering my computer has been through every error possible...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 4^th, 2003, 10:38pm

on 03/04/03 at 19:54:46, DirkDiggler wrote:

Would it help to delete some of the old threads? Such as the ones....."who should I start this week?? "

That could help if I alleviate a significant number of them, BUT given my current schedule I am probably going to hold off from doing that until I can devote the amount of time necessary to do it properly. I don't want to lose any gems because I did a rush-job! ;D

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 5^th, 2003, 3:17pm

OK - Now I'm jealous... all of you are getting these cool error messages EXCEPT me... Don't I deserve them too?

::)

Keep doing the great job you are already doing Steg.

I'm sure there are a number of threads that no longer need to be kept on the board.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 5^th, 2003, 6:02pm

Wow, Im getting the Error messages alot more often now...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 6^th, 2003, 12:53pm

In response to KJ 76's post just above and a private message I just received, I wanted to post the following publicly (it was actually sent out by me in specific response to the PM, in which a dude kindly offered to become a "limited moderator" and delete threads):

"Ironically, I'm not having any problems today. Nothing but smooth sailing for me. As for the deleting of threads, it's something that MAY eventually need to be dealt with, BUT, in any case, I need to do it because I want it done in a certain way. First of all, remember when you delete stuff it is going to effect our post count and such. Right now, that presents a real Catch 22. This is a problem, BUT we need those (thread/post) numbers now during our formative period, i.e. the early going. We just broke the 5,000 mark. I don't want to go back below it. Secondly, I, for one, take a lot of time writing my posts and I, personally, do NOT want to go about deleting threads, which may contain gems that I will want to reference in the future, in a hasty manner. I think this may stand for other members as well. Finally, this will probably ALL be taken care of when I upgrade in July. We just got to make it to then. I am reluctant to contact Hostica's techs at this point because if I do so, it is going to raise big red flags with regards to my "pushing," read overstepping, the limits of my hosting plan, and I would like to just save the money until then. So, as far as your becoming a moderator/defender of "the Gridiron", we can talk about that later. But, as for your helping me out by deleting threads, it is just something I can't let someone else do for me, at least not at this juncture. Anyway, thanks for your concern and offer of assistance. Be in touch!"

One thing I have noticed that helps is just to give it 3 to 5 seconds between clicks. I have noticed if/when I experience said problem, which I have not today at all, if I just "slow down", I don't experience it. I hope this helps your surfing the site, but, moreover, I hope this elucidates my plans and helps you all better understand my position here. Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif]

Sincerely,
Steg

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 6^th, 2003, 1:10pm

OK, the error bug finally got me today. I had lots of problems this morning... there was only one other user on at the time. I tried refreshing the screen, tried reclicking quickly and also slowly, all to no avail. There seemed to be no real rhyme or reason to when it would work and when it wouldn't.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 7^th, 2003, 10:07pm

Fellas,

I am gonna' NEED ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE in "tackling" this issue. I made it a point to get on "the Gridiron" this morning earlier than I usually do, i.e. during that 7:30 to 9:30 critical time when the problem seemed at its worst. Well, it was bad, and I had to take measures. I must first tell you all that it has nothing to do with the amount of space we are using, i.e. our thread count, which has been intimated in this thread. In any event, I have addressed this with Hostica, our host, and I believe they went about doing something to take care of it as best as possible given their server limits. You may have noticed about 30 minutes of downtime this evening between about 6:45 and 7:15. I believe they were "doin' their thang" during that period. In any case, I NOW NEED YOU GUYS TO CHIME IN HERE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THINGS ARE RUNNING MORE SMOOTHLY! Ultimately, I may end up having to move the site to a new hosting company. We'll see! But, in the meantime, I want to know if they have sufficiently "Band-Aided" the problem. Thank you very much for your anticipated assistance. I am...

...Sincerely,
Steve Stegeman a.k.a. StegRock
Your Admin [smiley=smileytrash.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 7^th, 2003, 10:18pm

So far, so good... I'll be sure to let you know if anything changes.

[smiley=batman.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 7^th, 2003, 10:20pm

Same here...no error messages today, in fact...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 7^th, 2003, 11:01pm

Works like a champ......so far........

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Walker Boh on Mar 7^th, 2003, 11:16pm

I've never had a problem with the site. I'll let you know if I do. 8)

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Daunte Williams on Mar 7^th, 2003, 11:17pm

Works great Steg! Keep up the good work, I love this forum and can't wait to see it really explode in the coming years. Thanks [smiley=dancin.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Razzak on Mar 7^th, 2003, 11:38pm

No, that wouldn't help very much. If you want to make the site use considerably less bandwidth, try getting rid of user Avatars and getting rid of excessive animated gifs. That would probably cut your bandwidth usage in 1/2.

Not that I'm recommending this, I'm just saying if you want to reduce your bandwidth/server problems, kill the excessive jpg/gif's.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Razzak on Mar 7^th, 2003, 11:38pm

Glad to see you got it fixed :)

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 7^th, 2003, 11:53pm

on 03/07/03 at 23:38:03, Razzak wrote:

Yea, I know, dude. It's all the smilies and shit that I like and that contribute to making "the Gridiron" different, no just another (blue-gray, light-blue and gray or red and black, with a white background) FF message-board forum (which describes every one out there that I have seen). I start removing that stuff and I start to defeat my purpose. It is the YaBB forum's "full-featuredness," which has been noted and lauded by many of our members, that I like. And, really, it ultimately is just a matter of spending a few more bucks, literally like 40 or so more bucks PER YEAR if I am to upgrade to a better host. I may be poor, but even I can hack that. The costs, financially, read not as far as time and effort are concerned, of running a site are SO over-inflated by site admins; it makes me sick.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 8^th, 2003, 11:55am

Once again, this brings up the possibility of "Smiley Survivor". There are certainly a handful of smileys that almost NEVER get used. We all have our favorites ( [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] <-- mine, I like that guy snickering at you) but there are some [smiley=annoyed.gif] that I'm sure no one would miss - and it would reduce the bandwidth some more as well.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 8^th, 2003, 12:38pm

on 03/08/03 at 11:55:08, Philly wrote:

Only VERY marginally, and, actually, if you really think about it, it is not the ones that are not being used that create bandwidth problems; it is the ones that are! ;) In any event, I have spent WAY TOO much time collecting those buggers to start making cuts at this point, only six months in, and, bottom line, I like them all. Next...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Sepphoris on Mar 8^th, 2003, 9:30pm

Steg it was me.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 9^th, 2003, 11:04am

I got 3 errors messages so far in the last 15 minutes.... maybe it's just me? ???

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 9^th, 2003, 12:50pm

Keep them updates rollin'! Thanks!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 9^th, 2003, 4:59pm

I too had minor problems today. (sunday) Two times I got that error.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 9^th, 2003, 7:50pm

I got it again today as well...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by bgsgfan on Mar 12^th, 2003, 9:10am

[smiley=swollenhead.gif] Neener neener neener - I still haven't gotten a single error. [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 12^th, 2003, 2:38pm

I was reading this post and getting ready to say that I've been bug-free for a while now, but it started again. >:(

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 12^th, 2003, 3:19pm

I got the error seveal times this morning... >:(

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on Mar 12^th, 2003, 4:08pm

on 03/12/03 at 14:38:01, Philly wrote:

I was reading this post and getting ready to say that I've been bug-free for a while now, but it started again. >:(

Funny that you say that, because just as I was going to reply to this message on how I haven't had any error messages pop-up, well, I got one when I clicked on this thread. [smiley=frustrated.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 12^th, 2003, 11:13pm

They're Back.................

Wed, March 12:

Between 9-11pm i got numerous error messages. Numerous as in 7+ errors. Sometimes I couldn't even get to the home page.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 12^th, 2003, 11:24pm

on 03/12/03 at 23:13:20, DirkDiggler wrote:

They're Back.................

Wed, March 12:

Between 9-11pm i got numerous error messages. Numerous as in 7+ errors. Sometimes I couldn't even get to the home page.

Me too! Same time period! It was pretty bad!

Keep the reports coming fellas, BUT PLEASE know that this is strictly a bandwidth issue, NOT a bug, AND that we are just going to have to live with it for awhile longer, perhaps, but hopefully not, until July when my account with Hostica comes up for renewal. I just have too much other stuff on my plate still, but everything is coming to a head. Just know that it will eventually be taken care of! [smiley=bow.gif] Point being, I just don't want this productive reporting to degenerate into a bitch-session.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Walker Boh on Mar 14^th, 2003, 8:34am

I just got my first "Internal Server Error". I refreshed and it went away.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 14^th, 2003, 1:13pm

The problem isn't bad at all right now, but I did get the message once during my surfing session today, and something just dawned on me. Based on what the tech at Hostica told me is causing the message to occasionally appear, I now just realized that getting this error message here is akin to getting the "overflow" message at, for example, FFToday (which does not happen often over there based on the kind of heavy-duty server I would guess he is running on, but it is the perfect analogy). I think that is exactly what it is. In any event, keep the reports coming, but realize that 1) we are on a shared server, and 2) I do plan to upgrade no later than July providing the problem does not become absolutely unbearable before then, in which case I will do so a.s.a.p from that point. Thank you for all of your understanding, patience and cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 14^th, 2003, 1:37pm

2 more errors for me this morning...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 28^th, 2003, 10:14am

5 more times this morning Steg... >:(

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 28^th, 2003, 11:13am

This issue is VERY unpredictable. It seems like usually I have no problems at all. BUT, then there are other times I come through and I get it on like every fuckin' click, and it does not seem to matter whether the board is hoppin' with five or so guests/members or I am just alone. Again, as memtioned five posts above, we are just going to have to tough it out, at least until July. Thank you for your understanding and patience, fellas! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Apr 3^rd, 2003, 1:55pm

Well, I noticed while the "Internal Server Error" has not been too much of a pest lately, it has returned with some force today. I have gotten it a good five times in my hour or so of surfing the site today. Every time, I was able to cure it by just backing out of it with my "Back" button and hitting "Refresh/Reload". One shot took care of it each time, so it wasn't that bad. Again, I explained what is going on with this in thorough throughout this thread. So, please be considerate (of my predicament) and read through it all first before posting if you do not know the deal. Bottom line, just sit tight; we just have to grin ;D and bare [smiley=takinyours.gif] it until mid-July. Thank you for your anticipated understanding and cooperation! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Apr 8^th, 2003, 1:21pm

Gettin' hammered a bit today with this. Just sit tight and be ready to do some grinnin' and bearin'! Also, feel free to report what you are experiencing today. I have gotten it about 10 to 12 times today, which equals about 20% to 25% of my total clicks. At least, it has gone away with one "Back Out" each time! [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Apr 8^th, 2003, 3:56pm

on 04/08/03 at 13:21:04, StegRock wrote:

Been pretty active for me too. Nothing too serious. Most I've gotten in a row is 4 or 5, so I can handle that.

I think it is that Aerosmith/Run DMC Video that is wreaking all the havoc.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Apr 23^rd, 2003, 6:08pm

Guys, to be honest I have not incurred this problem much at all lately, but I did realize something that might ease things both for you the visitor and this "Little Train That Could" server of ours. Always AVOID surfing/browsing "the Gridiron" or even refreshing a page on "the Gridiron" using the refresh button of your browser. Always use the links! If you want to "refresh" the "index"/"main" page of the forum, i.e. http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi, which would be a fairly common occurrence I would think, just use one of the links. And, if you did not know, the "the Gridiron/GBRFL @ Fantasyfootballer.com" graphic in the upper left-hand corner and the newly-added, small "the Gridiron/GBRFL" graphic at the very bottom of the page both link to the "index" page: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi, further mitigating your need to use your "refresh" button. The reasons behind this are kind of complicated to explain, but suffice it to say, when you use your "refresh" button, it is harder on a server because you are literally "reloading" each and every "element" of a page (this is not always the case when visitors are on LAN lines, though, so [smiley=shrug.gif] ); whereas, links utilize "Temporary Internet Files" (on your computer) and put less of a "strain" on a server. I hope this helps... us all! Thank you all for all of your anticipated cooperation and compliance! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by PA Outlaws on Apr 23^rd, 2003, 10:26pm

If it is any consolation, I have yet to get any errors! [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Apr 26^th, 2003, 4:26pm

Just a quick update! We have been BANGIN' [smiley=gettinridden.gif] the shit out of the server today, BUT no problems, not on my end and none that I can detect! AWESOME!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by PA Outlaws on Apr 28^th, 2003, 7:07pm

Got my first error message today!! Refreshed and it went away!!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Apr 29^th, 2003, 1:53pm

on 04/28/03 at 19:07:56, PA Outlaws wrote:

Got my first error message today!! Refreshed and it went away!!

Fellas,

In accordance with my recent epiphany indicated four posts above, when incurring this problem, I would actually recommend backing out, using your browser's "Back" button, and then just continuing by way of clicking a link rather than refreshing!

[smiley=pig.gif]-"Bi-dee, bi-dee, bi-dee... That's all folks!" ;)

Steg

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by PA Outlaws on May 1^st, 2003, 8:56am

Lots of errors this morning!! Once I clicked back and tried again it went away each time! Just FYI... [smiley=annoyed.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on May 2^nd, 2003, 3:15pm

Guys, we are havin' a rough one today, no two ways about it! :P We just got to get to June 14th (not July as I was initially claiming)! That is when my old account expires and I WILL UPGRADE! Anyway, just want to keep you guys abreast... or two [smiley=hooters.gif] ! ;) Feel free to report on what you are experiencing, BUT as I have emphasized before, let's not let this thread degenerate into a bitch session. I know what's up and it WILL be taken care of. Remember it is not really a "problem", i.e. "faultiness"; it is more akin to an "overflow error", which is not uncommon on these-type boards, although a little excessive here, especially today. :-[ Sorry!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 18^th, 2003, 6:00pm

They are starting to piss the living shit out of me!!! [smiley=fumin.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on May 18^th, 2003, 6:09pm

on 03/12/03 at 23:24:55, StegRock wrote:

...Point being, I just don't want this productive reporting to degenerate into a bitch-session.

Report, please! Don't bitch! Bitching does none of us any good and bitching about this problem definitely does not attract people to the site! Try to always think of the bigger picture here! Thank you!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Keyshawn Johnson 76yards on May 18^th, 2003, 9:26pm

I did report. I said they were pissing me off more then ever.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Jun 16^th, 2003, 8:44pm

[smiley=terminator.gif]-"Asta la vista 'Internal Server Error'!"

As always, though, given the "team effort" here, do keep me abreast [smiley=titflash.gif] of any glitches or problems you do incur in the future. Thank you! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Jun 16^th, 2003, 9:02pm

on 06/16/03 at 20:44:27, StegRock wrote:

YEA!!! Great job!!

This bitch is much faster!!!!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Nov 12^th, 2003, 6:08pm

Guess who is back...

I've just gotten a slew of Internal Server Error messages.

:P :-/

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Nov 12^th, 2003, 9:03pm

Me too! Oh, how ironic!?!?

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Nov 17^th, 2003, 8:34pm

I'm gettin' it again here tonight. [smiley=nervous.gif] Oh, brother! :-/

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Nov 17^th, 2003, 9:43pm

Knock on wood... I've been error-free so far. Must just be that lousy dial-up connection you have. :P

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Nov 17^th, 2003, 11:10pm

on 11/17/03 at 21:43:01, Philly wrote:

Knock on wood... I've been error-free so far. Must just be that lousy dial-up connection you have. :P

Tell me about it! Another "reality" that "indirectly factors into my running things" that needs to be "considered"/"dealt with" eventually. :-/

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Nov 18^th, 2003, 2:56pm

As someone once sang(I wanna say Elton John but not positive)

"The bitch, the bitch, the bitch is back!"

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Nov 18^th, 2003, 4:41pm

Oh, I'm gettin' KILLED right now! :P

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Dec 16^th, 2003, 3:38pm

That Internal Server Error has been vicious all day today. Just about unbearable. When I try to post, it keeps popping up, then once I get it to go through, I see there are 3 or 4 of the same posts. Then I have to try to remove the extras, and the error comes up again. Ack! [smiley=sick.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Callie on Dec 16^th, 2003, 6:59pm

If you're looking for feedback, I don't have a clue about this error. I come on a lot. Never got that error. If it helps to know, I have Optimum On Line cable modem, but I'm told by the experts I know that this shouldn't be the cause and it could be a problem with the browser people are using. You may have said this already. I didn't read the whole thread. The experts say that the first thing to ask is if the people with problems are using Internet Explorer or Netscape. If so, Netscape could be the problem. Otherwise, like you said, look to see if the right scripts or applets are downloaded. I guess if it isn't, it asks for it. Don't know. You guys are better than I am at this. If none of this is right, check to see if you have the updates loaded in Internet Explorer. Check to see if you have the service pack for Internet Explorer downloaded. Go to Microsoft.com and you can find it. Sometimes people with dial-up modems don't want to spend the on-line time it takes to download this stuff. But it may be the problem.

Let me know if any of this makes sense to you, and if so I'll ask around some more.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Dec 16^th, 2003, 11:13pm

This is ultimately an in-house problem, so to speak. You've been getting lucky, Callie.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Mar 10^th, 2004, 7:35pm

The bitch has really decided to visit me again!! Ms Internal Server Error has visited me at work and at home.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Mar 10^th, 2004, 7:37pm

I got it as few times as well at work. It wasn't that big of a problem though...not like it normally is...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 10^th, 2004, 10:05pm

I had it once while cruising the forums, but had BIG problems with it in the chat room. Thing chased me right out of there earlier today while I was chatting with kidcrash.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 10^th, 2004, 10:21pm

I haven't had any problems. [smiley=shrug.gif] The timing of this is interesting, though... April begins the months during which I pay for all this stuff. All of my annual fees are due between April and July. Anyway,...

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by Philly on Mar 23^rd, 2004, 11:05am

Here we go again. All morning I've had it come up numerous times. Traffic has been non-existent when I've been here.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Mar 23^rd, 2004, 1:19pm

on 03/23/04 at 11:05:41, Philly wrote:

Here we go again. All morning I've had it come up numerous times. Traffic has been non-existent when I've been here.

Regarding the part I've put in bold, as I have mentioned before, I believe on this thread, remember this is not only a function of the traffic coming through here. It has more to do with our being on a SHARED server, i.e. on a server that hosts MANY sites, not just ours. This has two relevant ramifications: 1) other sites' being busy affects the "user resources" available to us (which can ultimately cause the "Internal Server Error", which, again, is not a "problem", as such, which implies "fixability"; it is an an "overflow" thing based on the "resource limit settings" of the server) and 2) because there are many sites on one server, so as to avoid the server's crashing, the "resource limit settings" (like a governor on an engine) that they program in are (of a) low (threshold).

The best way to absolutely change this reality, as I have suggested before, is for us to move from a "Shared Server" to a "Dedicated Server", i.e. a server dedicated to/used by us only. This, however, requires a MUCH GREATER financial commitment, one I am NOT even close to being able to make. [smiley=shrug.gif] A 10-buck or so donation (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;action=display;num=1068780634) from EVERY ONE of our members surely could make a difference. Thank you to those who have given me "a hand" (substantive help) and not just "a hand" (an ovation). ... So, for those wondering how they can help. There ya have my (proactive) answer in very straightforward terms. No further questions are necessary. If that is just not doable for you or you don't feel comfortable with that, that's fine. Just don't complain and continue to contribute your written energies to the site, which I also appreciate!

One other note, though, as per my immediately prior post above, I still have not experienced the "Internal Server Error" at all lately. [smiley=whatever.gif] On the other hand, also as per that post, April still starts my high billing period. ;)

Here's to hoping it goes a way. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] It's really all we can do at this point as I ALREADY went through moving the whole site last year in a "band-aid" move, i.e. a move to a "better" shared server, which I really do not want to do ever again as the "Internal Server Error" will ALWAYS catch back up to us as we continue to grow, but still have to "share" space.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by bgsgfan on Feb 8^th, 2005, 9:38am

I am getting the Internal Server Error 500 this morning when I try to access my instant messages. It hasn't shown up anywhere else [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]. I normally use Firefox as my web browser, so I switched over to IE just to be sure - no luck. I cleared out all my history, cookies, cache, etc. (in both browsers) and that did not help either.

There is one IM in my inbox I can't get to... if whoever sent that sees this post, and the IM was relatively important/urgent, please email me at bgsgfan@yahoo.com. Thanks!

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by BarnabyWilde on Feb 8^th, 2005, 11:54am

I got that too when I was trying to respond to one of Philly's PM's yesterday while at work. [smiley=shrug.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by bgsgfan on Feb 8^th, 2005, 4:08pm

Its working now! [smiley=towelwave.gif]

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Feb 8^th, 2005, 9:56pm

Guys, you don't know the havoc this caused me yesterday. Did any of you happen to notice "StegRock" and "Referee" coming in and out of the forum (yea, in order to tell the whole story here I just gave that up... to the few who will notice... and are probably the ones who know, anyway,... and as if it wasn't obvious, anyway)? I was having to use that alternative account because as admin so many scripts have to run (and, moreover, I had, key word there had, a packed IM box) that I could not log on successfully as "StegRock", i.e. as the admin, even though it said I was logged in. Then, it was clusterfucked. Since I was technically (in both senses) logged in, I could not even attempt to log in again unless I went into the guts of the system and manually extracted myself from the log. What a pain-in-the-ass process! [smiley=no.gif] Then, after I figured out how I could get in as admin, i.e. "StegRock", I went and accidentally deleted ALL my IM messages, incoming, outgoing and storage. [smiley=doh.gif] Oh, well,... it probably needed to be done. I have the REALLY old, original stuff saved on my computer at home, anyway. In any event, this caused me a HUGE all-day headache. I put in a trouble-ticket with Hostica last night and the system seems to be faster than it's ever been tonight! [smiley=headbanger.gif] From what I can tell looking at things on the back end, some [smiley=dick.jpg]('s) was (were) attacking us with a VIRUS. I don't know if it was us specifically or Hostica generally, but I wouldn't put it past some of our fantasy football foes as our eminence and immanence in the fantasy football world becomes more and more imminent. [smiley=woohoo.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 9^th, 2005, 5:13pm

on 02/08/05 at 21:56:52, StegRock wrote:

Well...thanks for fixing it!! Mucho appreciated. Sorry it was not an easy process.

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Jul 19^th, 2006, 4:05am

Guys, gals, remember the days of the "Internal Server Error"... [smiley=yikes.gif] Looks like they're a thing of the past... [smiley=thumbsup.gif] ... [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

But, aside from that HUGE technical issue, we had/have been living with two other really very slight technical problems, but as you guys have come to know the old Stegger [smiley=peedog.gif], NOTHING is too small. The anally-retentive perfectionist in me wants every "i" dotted and "t" crossed. But, truth is, unless you guys noticed them yourselves, only my helpers and staffers behind the scenes were apprised of them. Now, I digress... Remember I'm NOT trained in computer programming. I'm just hackin' it out. Anyway, the problems were:

1. The missing icon for the instant-message preview page;

2. When you "preview" or "modify" a post for which one of the "extra" smiley message icons I added, i.e. not one of the standard 12, was used, it reverts to the "Standard" (notepad page) message icon http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/xx.gif even though the original smiley used still displays (and if you don't reset it to the one you want, you get the "standard" one).

...

I figured out a solution to #1 just within a year after opening shop, and behind the scenes this was the announcement I made to my staffers (look at the date on that one :o)...

on 08/08/03 at 18:32:55, StegRock wrote:

Another brilliant fix (pat self on back)... [smiley=swollenhead.gif]

~~1. The missing icon for the instant-message preview page.~~

I'm actually surprised this SIMPLE FIX didn't dawn on me before; [smiley=doh.gif] I'm actually MORE surprised it didn't dawn on the YaBB techies right off the bat as we went around in circles on this small issue for months without getting it solved, unbelievably. But, whatever, in the end... [smiley=victory.gif]

And, now,... FOUR YEARS after opening shop,... I am SO PROUD to announce... #2 there too has, ALAS, been SOLVED... [smiley=booya.gif]

2. When you "preview" or "modify" a post for which one of the "extra" smiley message icons I added, i.e. not one of the standard 12, was used, it reverts to the "Standard" (notepad page) message icon http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/xx.gif even though the original smiley used still displays (and if you don't reset it to the one you want, you get the "standard" one).

No more... [smiley=wave.gif] I felt that I had progressed in my understanding of the programming [smiley=steg.gif] to the point that I could conquer this, and I got it in my craw to figure it out today, and I SUCCEEDED!!! [smiley=woohoo.gif] Boy, are our FF-specific Junior Correspondents going to love this fix or what!?!? This makes me want to preview my message before posting it... I think I'll do just that... [smiley=awwgee.gif] (I've actually tinkered with and "refreshed my preview" about a dozen times now... I used to avoid previewing before, at least when I was using one of the "extra" message icons, which I usually do, because I didn't want to have to see this problem staring back at me... :-/ Now, it NEVER will again! [smiley=victory.gif] ... Boy, that was fun "modifying" too! [smiley=dancin.gif])

Title: Re: Slight technical difficulties on "the Gridiron
Post by StegRock on Oct 2^nd, 2007, 6:27pm

Fellow Gridironers, we did experience serious technical difficulties today. It was that same problem we experienced twice last year, (VERY severely) in March and (then again in) December. As result, I regret to inform you all that some posts that were made during this troubled period were lost. I apologize greatly for the loss of your words and any inconvenience and/or frustration this causes you. :-[

For future reference, though, if you ever notice that the forum is malfunctioning, it is best to NOT post until I give the high sign that we're good to go or you've seen me (successfully) make a post myself. Thank you for your anticipated due diligence as regards this matter. :)

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron"
Post by StegRock on Apr 20^th, 2008, 1:55am

Guys and gals, nothing like the nightmares [smiley=Freddie.gif] we have dealt with in the recent past, but that old "Internal Server Error 500" issue is again resurfacing. Based on the same old story yous all know all too well and are tired ::) of hearing because I beat yous over the heads [smiley=hammer.gif] with it, [smiley=money.gif].[smiley=twocents.gif], [smiley=graduate.gif] and now [smiley=newbie.gif], we are SO not in a position to upgrade things around here, the forum, our hosting, (in the foreseeable future) so all I can say is live with it. I've got a trouble ticket into Hostica on this, but it's the second recurrence in just the last couple days. I apologize for the inconvenience, but please just bare with it, all. :-/ I'm sure it'll get solved.

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron"
Post by StegRock on Jul 7^th, 2008, 8:54pm

Guys and gals, as it turns out this is becoming a "cleansing" time of sorts on "the Gridiron"...

Some of you may have noticed that for a 14-or-so-hour period from Sunday night into late this morning, we experienced one of the worst bouts we've ever had with the old "500 - Internal Server Error". It knocked us out. The site was completely down during this period. Where I am going with this is that that is a function of my going with (one of) the cheapest hosting plans available to us. We are not on a dedicated server. We are on a shared server, which means that any one site that causes the server to have problems causes us all to have problems. I am sure that "little old us" are not usually the cause, surely not this time based on my assessment. But, to swing this back around to my prefacing comment above and the "forced sensibility" around here at present, the ultimate solution lies in upgrading our hosting, ideally, to a dedicated server, WHICH COSTS!

Furthermore, the techies reply to the trouble ticket I submitted last night on this issue included the following peripheral comment: "Also, you're currently running YaBB 1 Gold - SP 1.1 which is a very old version (Release Date: March 23, 2002). This can leave your site vulnerable to hacks/attacks. We advise upgrading immediately to the latest version (YaBB 2.2.2)." This is surely the case, but with all the custom modifications I've made, unless I just want to toss history out the window and clean the slate, an UNACCEPTABLE proposition, upgrading would be a TOTAL NIGHTMARE. It would be like tossing a complex 10,000-piece puzzle out a windy window and having to locate all the pieces and put it all back together. I probably do not even have the know-how to even do the whole upgrade, no less the time even if I did. (Heck, as I've told the GBRFLeaguers, I got a big enough technical battle on the ever-nearing horizon just getting around impending issues with the move away from FrontPage and its Server Extensions.) The bottom line is that an upgrade to the forum program is going to almost definitely have to be outsourced, which means that it only comes AT A COST.

And, both of these COSTS are, in all likelihood, SUBSTANTIAL. Again, four donations in to the high "billing season" here, and we have yet to even cover the cost of "The REAL Feed", with the fee for the aforesaid web hosting, which we canNOT do without, due now in less than ONE WEEK. I hope this post serves to further "perspectivize" the measures I am currently taking,... having to take. I am hoping to see progress here, but, reality is, "we" as a group, are not even meeting the bare minimums, which aren't that bad (can't be in light of the fact that my poor ass has, by and large, been the one bearing them). It's just that I've reached my limit... on various fronts. :-/

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron" & Sit
Post by StegRock on Nov 2^nd, 2008, 9:27pm

For those who might have noticed,... [smiley=uponreview.gif] over the last 60 or so hours we have experienced serious problems with "The REAL Feed". It simply hasn't really been moving. Actually, there have been intermittent problems for about a week now. I've been working [smiley=builder.gif] [yea, that's what that's called, contrary to the "opinions" of some (not) around here (anymore)] [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] on resolving the issue. The process is a bit slower going that I'd like. But, I'm sure it'll be rolling [smiley=rollin.gif] along here soon enough. [smiley=yes.gif] I apologize for any inconvenience or frustration this caused any of you who regularly support the site by using it and thank you in advance for your anticipated understanding. [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron" & Sit
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 11:00am

We are not around here anymore because of statements like the one in your above post. You act all high and mighty, like a god or something, when you are not. I am glad you are having fun on your website with the handful of people you have not chased off yet weith your holier than thou attitide.

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron" & Sit
Post by StegRock on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 4:56pm

[offtopic]THIS, of all things, is what you take time to respond to... How magnanimous of you, old "friend"! You know, Jim, maybe if you didn't troll around and look for and "make it a point", make it "your vendetta", to hone in on this one post from over the last two months and, instead, responded in some other "areas" that engage me as a "person" (or, at least, don't engage me as a mere FF slave, though, there is some "really good 'fodder'" [smiley=newbie.gif] out there right now over which to actually engage me as a person), and not just with lip service, you'd be worth keeping around. But, no, this is your one post in over two months, and, moreover, it speaks no differently than your last number of posts. You lack the relationship with me for me to even care what you have to "point" out (as if you had a good point and were making it in a stand-up way), and, more importantly, you lack the ability to self-reflect and see any middle ground to such a degree that you can't even see how your "bigger picture" actions undermine any "point" you think you have to make. All you are here anymore is a mere "point maker" [sticking it to me (with a sense of joy, I find), no less] with, mind you, a boring old point, which, once it is understood and duly noted, doesn't matter, which, in turn, makes you not matter. Maybe if you showed just a speck of consideration and compassion for me as a person and the "bigger picture" circumstances I was facing this year that prompted the dominoes on "the Gridiron" to fall the way they did, you'd be a person to me worth taking seriously "beyond 'this' point" (in both senses of the phrase, I suppose). These are the kinds of people I hear out,...

on 07/25/08 at 18:01:43, cwhams wrote:

:) It is the greater good that is at stake here, the "good" or "positive" that is the essence of what I believe we should seek.

In your case, my case, other member case, I would hope we could take this moment in time and use it to learn.

The site is essentially you Steg. It will only grow if you allow it to do so and only in the direction that you choose to direct it. Larson's departure or the departure or for that matter the arrival of others to this site does not signify or define it's death or health. Instead it is all a matter of growth.

You are tired and need a period of rest, upon your full return, not that you have ever left, who knows where this journey will lead? :-/

For me it is a matter of interest and observation...it applies to all aspects of life...I hope others may get a glimpse of the universal applications to be found here. [smiley=cheers.gif]

on 07/13/08 at 23:40:13, T-Rave wrote:

On top of this, you maintain more than a merely cordial-but-curt relationship (which is the kind of relationship "administrator" brings to mind) with us Gridironers. You initiate discussions, you wear your heart on your sleeve, you get completely (sometimes, perhaps, too much so ;) ) involved in said discussions, you rail at us when we're indifferent, you thank us when we're not, you beg for help, you reward for labor, etc., etc., etc.

... not one-sided antagonists as you, Jim, have become. This is just rhetorical, but can you even take pause for a few minutes, Jim, and comprehend, no less appreciate, the kind of sensibility C-Dub and T-Rave express there? Or, do you just short-circuit and ignore? Again, rhetorical questions...

The reality is, I've enjoyed my beloved hobby of fantasy football and web site too and the small coterie of true friends I have here more this year than I have in some time. I was just making a(n albeit sore) statement of fact (at least as I see it/don't see it being belied). In my post above, I'm not bitching about nor pining over you all's absence. I'm just stating a(n albeit sad, but somewhat) poignantly related fact. In any event, the post required no response (from you), no more than the birth of my first child did. [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] What it maybe called for was just a touch of compassion from an understanding soul who sees that I'm still a little bit hurt (rightly or wrongly). [Now, you may be thinking that some (forced) congratulations to me at this point would just come off, if not in fact, be hollow BS, and in thinking that you wouldn't be off-base. BUT, there is a way to do it, Jim. Of course, it has to be underlain by genuine good will, but it just takes a little time and effort, more than a few words, more like a good-sized paragraph, and a little well-thought-through tact,... which is a perfect segue...]

I'm sorry this is not 9-1-1-style communication, Jim. But, especially in this kind of on-line envirnoment, it takes more than that style of communication (and actually something that more so resembles philosophical discourse), no less mere lip service, to truly express and share one's thoughts and feelings, personhood (who someone is deep-down) and personality (one's traits) and forge any kind of true friendships. Put another way, you don't call 9-1-1 to make a friend [and, I'm learning, maybe people don't come to these places to make friends, at least not real ones, (maybe they don't even walk out their doors to do it anymore)... but I'm not giving up on that one just yet: this is not going to become yet another run-of-the-mill bullshit FF forum; it'll remain just like this before I let it become that]. The amount of verbiage contained in this post and many of my others is just representative of the level and depth of thought and consideration that went into them and, moreover, how much I care. Posts that aren't reasonably reciprocal in thought and care are bad enough; you even throw my "dissertations" back in my face. [smiley=no.gif][/offtopic]

At any rate, it seems that efforts thus far have paid off... "The REAL Feed (http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/newsstand.htm)" seems to be back in working order. But, still, we'll have to wait and see. The problem usually crops up on the weekends, especially, of all times, Saturday into Sunday. :-/

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron" & Sit
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 6:17pm

I have no problem showing compassion. Contrary to what you believe about 9-1-1 operators, we do show compassion in our work. It is a big part of our jobs.

What I see as a problem here with you Steg is your definition of middle ground. What you don't seem to realize is that our departure from the Gridiron was mostly your doing. You forced us out with your ultimatum about the GBRFL2. I donated what I could but I guess that was not good enough to keep the duece afloat, at least here anyways. Do I miss the Grid? Sure, but I don't miss being talked to like a 1st grader sometimes by you. We cal talk another time if you'd like.

Title: Re: Technical difficulties on "the Gridiron" & Sit
Post by StegRock on Nov 4^th, 2008, 3:38am

[offtopic]
on 11/03/08 at 18:17:42, BarnabyWilde wrote:

I have no problem showing compassion. Contrary to what you believe about 9-1-1 operators, we do show compassion in our work. It is a big part of our jobs.

Oh, brother... [smiley=dramaqueen.gif] Duuude, I'm not saying that you've never shown compassion or, moreover, that you usually don't show compassion in your (real) life or that you don't have compassion in you. In fact, I don't know, but I'm quite sure you do. That's what makes this all the more distressing. You are not a ZAGS. The point about 9-1-1 regarded communication, not compassion.

Quote:

What I see as a problem here with you Steg is your definition of middle ground. What you don't seem to realize is that our departure from the Gridiron was mostly your doing. You forced us out with your ultimatum about the GBRFL2. I donated what I could but I guess that was not good enough to keep the duece afloat, at least here anyways. Do I miss the Grid? Sure, but I don't miss being talked to like a 1st grader sometimes by you.

[smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] What-ever... The site's still here. It's your (you all's) (spiteful, might I say) choice not to use ALL that still IS here. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is preventing you (all) from participating on "the Gridiron" except yourself (yourselves)! That's what you(s) could do... But, quite the contrary, I sense (and I think correctly) that you (guys) are relishing in/deriving satisfaction from/taking joy in making a point by not doing so (and even watching me suffer... a little bit; gee, there's a noble mindset).

In this context, Jim, of mainly your current non-participation on the site and also your dislike of my "way", it's virtually logically impossible to believe that, when you say you miss "the Gridiron", you mean something other than you miss the GBRFL2, WHICH WAS VERY LABOR-INTENSIVE ON ME AND WHICH I SIMPLY COULD NO LONGER HACK UNDER THE USUAL TERMS. I couldn't imagine what things would have been like if I were still running all three leagues, no less without (hardly) any donations. I would be pulling my hair out right now and probably fighting with you guys, moreover, at a time when I couldn't come close to affording to. In the least, I've avoided that virtually inevitable misery.

As for the first-grader comment, that's surely a serious concern. But, that's not my problem, strictly speaking. It's yours. It's how you feel. It's surely not how everybody feels. I cite, at least, C-Dub and T-Rave above in support of that claim, but, truth be said, I could cite any of a number of friends and family members to corroborate the healthy, albeit at times difficult/"uneasy" so to speak (but that's part of it), relationship I have with them. Truth is, I treat you guys, and people in general in my life, quite the opposite of your first-grader depiction/perception. I just ask that you think and reflect, kick it up a notch in terms of your rationally thinking through and critically reflecting on what you want to say/the position you want to argue. This is not an enterprise for grade-schoolers. In fact, I ask you right now, Jim, to reflect on the way in which my posts make you feel like you're being spoken to like a first-grader and then reflect on the validity/appropriateness of that feeling vis-a-vis what I specificially wrote. You might just find that your reading deserves at least the same amount of scrutiny as my writing.

The bottom line is that you are still bent out of shape about how things ultimately went with your last donation/pledge. We've done that dance, though, quite thoroughly (I even made a partial apology, [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] for goodness sake), but in a more appropriate place on the site, which is where we should be doing this. Look, I understand that you (guys) are also hurt. My tack may have been a bit abrupt, but, again, I had to do what I had to do... to preserve my sanity. It wasn't going to play out well no matter how I did it (and actually I think I went about it fairly reasonably... right until the very end when I offered you guys a partial way back into the fold, a bit late, I understand, BUT that was simply due to my personal circumstances; hell, I was still FAR FROM settled down, living with my pregnant wife out of a HOTEL at the time... JESUS [smiley=spjesus.gif]). My playing tackling dummy for you guys and taking ALL the lumps here won't get us anywhere. Until you guys OPENLY accept at least SOME of the blame, we're not going to get anywhere. Again, even in your post above, Jim, in which you are fairly level-headed and somewhat reasonable, you still exhibit nothing in the way of critical self-reflection. NOT ONE former GBRFL2er, either out in the open or in correspondences behind the scenes, has! [smiley=no.gif] Yet, the level of hostility toward me from (some of) you guys is salient. That's just fucked, I'm sorry![/offtopic]