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(Message started by: StegRock on Jul 30^th, 2004, 4:21pm)

Title: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 30^th, 2004, 4:21pm

Guys,

Probably by now you have noticed our NEW Fantasy-specific Team Reports section. We are starting off with the Denver Broncos done by yours truly, and two done by two of our VERY worthy members who have given A LOT to the site, the New York Giants by Jim O'Dell and the Philadelphia Eagles by Jeff West. We expect this to be the kind of feature that takes us to the next level and, as it grows, puts us in "business".

If YOU have an appropriate combination of fantasy football knowledge/experience and writing skills and a passion therefor and an interest in becoming a Junior Fantasy-specific Team Correspondent for one (or more) of the now 26 available teams, drop me an e-mail to stegrock@fantasyfootballer.com 1) briefly introducing yourself, 2) summarizing your relevant experiences (i.e. as a fantasy footballer AND writer) and 3) including a phone number and times at which you can best be contacted.

I hope you all enjoy the feature and I look forward to hearing from you. I am...

...Sincerely,
Steve Stegeman

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Aug 3^rd, 2004, 1:02pm

C'mon guys and gals... I've seen some of the work you do in posting news and analysis on the forums and you'd be making a big impact on the site by signing up as a correspondent.

If you do a decent job, you'll be promoted to Senior Correspondent and get your own page!

You're keeping track of the news already and making fantasy-specific comments about it on the forums, so it's really not any extra work!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Aug 3^rd, 2004, 3:52pm

And,... who knows where THIS ALL could lead... the cutting of the ribbon on the FantasyFootballer.com offices someday... a FUN, paying job in a beloved "industry" (loosely speaking)... [smiley=ohshit.gif] that's where I want (it) to lead us!?!?

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by M.A.S. on Aug 4^th, 2004, 8:20am

Quote:

If YOU have an appropriate combination of fantasy football knowledge/experience and writing skills and a passion therefor and an interest in becoming a Junior Fantasy-specific Team Correspondent for one (or more) of the 29 available teams, drop me an e-mail to stegrock@fantasyfootballer.com 1) briefly introducing yourself, 2) summarizing your relevant experiences (i.e. as a fantasy footballer AND writer) and 3) including a phone number and times at which you can best be contacted.

Okay, so ya got me here! (hehehe) Thanks for the invite as well as an opening to find an appropriate spot to jump in. I need to catch up on what is currently going on in the NFL as I did not watch the draft and am currently behind but I will drop you an email as soon as I am up to date. As you well know by now I am a Panther fan so I will be enjoying several games at Ericson Stadium this year and I will most likely being posting some play by play postings on the highlights of the games I go to.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by sameoldsameold on Aug 4^th, 2004, 8:42am

i think ill give it a whirl and work on a team see how it comes out....

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 18^th, 2004, 6:01am

What team, soso, if I may ask?

on 08/04/04 at 08:42:12, sameoldsameold wrote:

i think ill give it a whirl and work on a team see how it comes out....

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Aug 18^th, 2004, 2:46pm

on 08/04/04 at 08:42:12, sameoldsameold wrote:

i think ill give it a whirl and work on a team see how it comes out....

Don't miss Jim's question above, soso!

In any event, though, if you (or ANYBODY) are really interested in doing this, so as to go about it efficiently and in the way necessary to accomplish our (ultimate) goals, we need to have a phone conversation as I alluded to in the initial post of this thread. I mean everybody is free to go about posting information in a "team report" type of way here on "the Gridiron". But, if you want to be on the "Senior Correspondent" track with an eye towards the "business"/"employment" opportunities that could exist here in the future, you need to get on the same page with me. It's just that I don't want dudes to go willynilly about it, thinking they are acting as a Junior Correspondent, producing something acceptable to me and on the Senior Correspondent track when they're not. If you are a Junior Correspondent here, we will have had to have spoken and your reports will be formally incorporated into the "project". If you are just out there doing "your 'team-reporting' thing" without having spoken to me first, which is fine, know that you are not with the "program", though. To get with the program, we need to talk!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 7^th, 2004, 10:23pm

How about Jeremy Miller (bgsgfan) and Robert Christenson (captainpurple) takin' it up a notch and comin' officially aboard? [smiley=thumbsup.gif] AWESOME!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Sep 8^th, 2004, 9:51am

on 09/07/04 at 22:23:41, StegRock wrote:

How about Jeremy Miller (bgsgfan) and Robert Christenson (captainpurple) takin' it up a notch and comin' officially aboard? [smiley=thumbsup.gif] AWESOME!

Nice work guys! Keep the news and analysis coming! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 18^th, 2004, 7:52pm

Another "Gridironer", a [smiley=newbie.gif] at that, gridiron_legends a.k.a. Travis Cooper a.k.a. T-Rave decides to step up to the plate and substantively contribute to the "effort" here as well as take advantage of the great and unique opportunity we offer here to cover a team in a fantasy light (and put yourself in the good graces of the powers-that-be @FantasyFootballer.com [smiley=whistle.gif] with that hopeful ribbon-cutting on the offices in mind) and do the fantasy-specific team report for his favorite team, the Chargers, while they remain available! Thanks a BUNCH, T-Rave! [smiley=bow.gif] Talk about taking the bull by the horns and not wasting any time. I CAN'T WAIT to see your first Week 11 installment, brother!

...

To everybody,... Tired of expending all your energy on just posting on message boards and not getting anywhere really? If you too are interested in becoming a junior correspondent, read the info in the initial post of this thread and respond accordingly. Here on "the Gridiron" we are always on the lookout [smiley=threed.gif] for talent to give an opportunity to!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by captainpurple on Nov 19^th, 2004, 9:26am

[smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=bow.gif]

Awesome! Look forward to seeing your analyses T-Rave!

Welcome to the party! [smiley=ragin.gif]

The Capn.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 19^th, 2004, 10:05am

Welcome to the team T-Rave!

Looking forward to your first installment!

BW
NY Giants Correspondent

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Nov 19^th, 2004, 3:38pm

Welcome aboard Travis. I'm looking forward to the Chargers news! We don't see/hear too much about them back East so I'd love to know how they're doing so well.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 22^nd, 2004, 5:53pm

And, another one of our good guys steps up to the... tee [smiley=golf.gif] here on "the Gridiron"! This time it is one of our guys who's been around for a while; soso a.k.a. Justin, [smiley=welcome.gif] to the team, brother. I look forward to the first fantasy-specific team report you do for your Redskins and all your good insight that will follow for years to come. Thanks for stepping up, brother, and givin' me a hand gettin' FantasyFootballer.com to the promised land. [smiley=bow.gif] In the process, know that you have also put yourself in the good graces of the powers-that-be around here (for when the time comes that the promised land is reached).
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] ... [smiley=whistle.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 30^th, 2004, 6:49pm

Justin,

Glad to have you on board the "loco"motive known as the Gridiron! You have contributed so much here already, now, you take on a junior correspondent role of the Redskins, my wife's favorite team no less!

Keep up the great work!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Dec 1^st, 2004, 9:47am

Nice to have you aboard. It's a shame that you're a Redskins fan, but I guess someone has to be. ;)

What's the story with Darnerian McCants? He signed an extension in the off-season and I really expected him to play more of a role in the offense? Is he not performing? I think he could be a very solid receiver given the opportunity.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by captainpurple on Dec 1^st, 2004, 10:18am

rock on bra'.

Glad to have another dedicated fan step up and make this place what it is. Looking forward to your analysis!

The Capn.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jan 7^th, 2005, 3:59pm

Let's hear it for the promotions of captainpurple a.k.a Robert Christenson and bgsgfan a.k.a. Jeremy Miller, each to "Senior Correspondent". EXCELLENT job, guys! Well deserved! [smiley=bow.gif]

Also, hows about a big round of applause for our newest "Junior Correspondent" to come aboard, PrimeTime a.k.a. Gene Nestro, who is covering the Dallas Cowboys? Thanks for stepping up, Gene, and, kudos on seeing this great opportunity and getting on it. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jan 7^th, 2005, 4:14pm

Excellent work you guys! Congrats to Robert and Jeremy!!

Thanks Gene, for stepping up! Way to have the NFC East the first full division covered! All 4 teams represented! [smiley=swollenhead.gif] [smiley=redskin.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif]

Come on people, there's got to be some other guys and gals out there that would love to represent their teams!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by PrimeTime on Jan 7^th, 2005, 9:43pm

on 01/07/05 at 16:14:36, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Thanks Gene, for stepping up! Way to have the NFC East the first full division covered! All 4 teams represented! [smiley=swollenhead.gif] [smiley=redskin.gif] [smiley=eagle.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif]

Now if only we can get the [smiley=swollenhead.gif] and the [smiley=cowboy.gif] to start winning some more games (I do not like the [smiley=chief.gif] so they can keep losing) then we will have something.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jan 8^th, 2005, 5:41pm

I have to apologize because my Eagles are not letting your Giants, Redskins, and Cowboys win many games. It's awfully selfish of the Eagles to win ALL of the NFC East games, but they did it. Oh well... better luck next year.

Oh, and it's great to see Mean Gene step up with the Cowboys report. Lots of interesting goings on there in the off-season, so it should be a great read. Thanks Gene. ;D

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jan 8^th, 2005, 5:44pm

Enjoy it while it lasts Bird Brain, cuz it won't be for long.

on 01/08/05 at 17:41:37, Philly wrote:

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jan 10^th, 2005, 11:10am

on 01/07/05 at 15:59:37, StegRock wrote:

Let's hear it for the promotions of captainpurple a.k.a Robert Christenson and bgsgfan a.k.a. Jeremy Miller, each to "Senior Correspondent". EXCELLENT job, guys! Well deserved! [smiley=bow.gif]

Congrats. I've enjoyed reading your analyses all season and the promotion is well-deserved. Keep up the great work!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by captainpurple on Jan 10^th, 2005, 2:18pm

Thanks Philly!

Of course, I've got to reciprocate the nice sentiments regarding the articles. Your Eagles reports are thorough and well thought.

and....
[offtopic] Good luck this week. Should be a good game! I hope the same D that showed up yesterday is the one that makes the trip to the Linc![/offtopic]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jan 10^th, 2005, 3:40pm

I think the Vikes may have shot their load against GB this weekend and might not have enough left for a game against a VERY fresh Eagles team next weekend.

Also, don't let Randy Moss try to moon the Eagles fans... someone will shoot him in the butt with a flare gun! ;)

Should be a good game though. I'm interested to see exactly who the Eagles are now since they haven't played a real game in more than a month.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by sameoldsameold on Jan 10^th, 2005, 3:47pm

congrats barnaby and capt purple....you two give awesome reports...glad to see it pay off :)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Mar 8^th, 2005, 9:27am

Welcome to the latest Correspondent - RestoreTheRoar [smiley=lion.gif] ... it's good to see that we'll have a Lions report. It will help to put the balance of power clearly in the NFC where it belongs. ;)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Apr 7^th, 2005, 1:05am

A little belated kudos for George Thomas who made his first report this past weekend... [smiley=bow.gif] Keep up the good work, man! [smiley=builder.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on May 30^th, 2005, 3:04pm

Oh, we've got some more junior correspondents comin' atchyas in the very near future... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on May 31^st, 2005, 9:44am

Welcome to the correspondents' team Callie! I know you'll do a great job because you've been doing the same things in the forums for quite a while now. ;D

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on May 31^st, 2005, 10:07am

Congrats Callie! Welcome to the team!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on May 31^st, 2005, 8:09pm

I luv you guys!
[smiley=havinablast.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 20^th, 2005, 11:29pm

Let's give a hearty [smiley=welcome.gif] to our newest addition, mcgeeizgod a.k.a. Matt McElligott a.k.a. our new Bills JC!!! [smiley=woohoo.gif] I look forward to your first report, man!!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jun 21^st, 2005, 9:13am

on 06/20/05 at 23:29:58, StegRock wrote:

Let's give a hearty [smiley=welcome.gif] to our newest addition, mcgeeizgod a.k.a. Matt McElligott a.k.a. our new Bills JC!!! [smiley=woohoo.gif] I look forward to your first report, man!!!

Welcome Matt! (I guess you've heard that joke before... ;) )

Anyway, I look forward to getting the inside scoop on the Bills. Plenty of interesting stories going on in the great white north with Henry still looking for a home and the debut of Losman as a starting NFL QB.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by LaHorace on Jul 14^th, 2005, 2:38pm

Howdy-ho, Cats!-

Being a Dallas Cowboys fan since before I was a twinkle in my mother's eye, it would be my unmitigated joy to cover my beloved 'Boys in blue for the duration of what is sure to be a fascinating season.

As a padwan of the sportswriting craft it is necessary to develop professional skills on an amateur level if I do indeed have any hopes of making it to the show one day.

Thereby, besides being a privledge and a joy, it is with a profound sense of honor that I accept the responsibilities of covering the... uhh...distinguished...

...(uh-oh, the Cowboys are already taken. Think fast, kid!)

...of covering the always entertaining and perinially up-and coming Arizona Cardinals.

-LaHorace

postscript: Travis Cooper enjoys nuts on his chin.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 14^th, 2005, 3:47pm

Awesome, LaHorace, and [smiley=welcome.gif] to "the Gridiron", friend!!! I think you will enjoy the joint. We got a great group.

Moreover, I'd love to see you come aboard as a JC for the Cardinals! [smiley=chicken.gif] I hope you are ready to commit to them long-term. [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] Here on "the Gridiron", I am most interested in people who are willing to commit for the long-haul as opposed to fly-by-nighters.

Anyway, the next step,... we need to speak. Can you "private message" me a phone number at which you can be reached and some good times to call you. [smiley=bow.gif]

Over and Out,
Steg

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jul 14^th, 2005, 4:14pm

Welcome to the Gridiron LaHorace. You certainly have the ability to turn a phrase. I look forward to reading your takes on the happenings in the desert southwest.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 26^th, 2005, 2:16pm

Scheduled to speak with LaHorace tonight!!! [smiley=chicken.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 27^th, 2005, 10:38pm

Okay, it was a team change and a night later, but let's give a hearty [smiley=welcome.gif] to LaHorace a.k.a. Austin Patton, our latest addition to "the Gridiron" team of FF-specific correspondents!!! He'll be doing the Houston Texans.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 27^th, 2005, 10:58pm

Welcome Austin to the team!!!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jul 28^th, 2005, 9:22am

on 07/27/05 at 22:58:05, BarnabyWilde wrote:

Welcome Austin to the team!!!!

If you insist...

Hey Austin... good to have you here. I look forward to your insights on those expansion Texans. (How much longer can we call them an expansion team? Or is it already too late?)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Jul 28^th, 2005, 12:56pm

Welcome Austin! Houston should be very fun to watch this season.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 15^th, 2005, 9:39pm

Let's send out a big, hearty [smiley=welcome.gif] to our newest two FF-specific team correspondents, Todd and Rick!!! They will be covering the Colts and Rams, respectively. I am so happy to see our site and this area specifically growing the way it is. Let's hear it for "the Gridiron"!!! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Sep 15^th, 2005, 9:41pm

[smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif] [smiley=welcome.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Oct 22^nd, 2005, 7:18pm

In case you haven't noticed, TWO of our "Junior Correspondents" have been promoted to "Senior Correspondents". CONGRATULATIONS to... [smiley=drummer.gif] ...
[smiley=worship.gif] gridiron_legends a.k.a. Travis (T-Rave) Cooper and [smiley=worship.gif] Callie a.k.a. Cheryl Wall!!! [smiley=bow.gif] They both have done TREMENDOUS jobs over the last year. Their willingness to let me publish their fantasy insights on their respective teams, the Chargers and Raiders, here is a major boon to the site and the insights themselves are an invaluable asset. I say, "Congratulations," BUT really I should be saying, "Thank you!" You both deserve it! Here are links to their respective report pages:

Travis's Chargers page -
http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/chargers/chargers-footballinfoframes.htm;

Cheryl's Raiders page -
http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/raiders/raiders-footballinfoframes.htm!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Oct 23^rd, 2005, 3:40am

HOLY COW... When it rains, [smiley=drip.gif] it pours... [smiley=drown.gif]

INSPIRED, I suppose, by our two most recent promotions [smiley=pedestal.gif] (see post right above), we, over the last four or so hours, have added another TWO FF-specific team reports, the Bengals, [smiley=pussycat.gif] the second taken on by our long-time esteemed member and Giants Senior Correspondent BarnabyWilde a.k.a. Jim O'Dell, AND the Packers, [smiley=cheesehead.gif] which are being done by one of our new "good guys", MordecaiCourage a.k.a. Ken Mesecher. We all know the great job Jim will do, and Ken in his short time on the site has proven to be a great contributor, fitting "the Gridiron" mold to a T. I expect he'll do a bang-up job. Make sure to catch it all:

Jim's Bengals page -
http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/bengals/bengals-footballinfoframes.htm;

Ken's Packers page -
http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/packers/packers-footballinfoframes.htm.

Thanks, guys, for stepping up!!! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Oct 30^th, 2005, 7:55pm

Well, we are now halfway there... [smiley=dancin.gif] We are now officially covering 16 teams!!! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] I'd like to welcome aboard our newest team "Junior Correspondent" for the returning Redskins, DB a.k.a. Dave Bohrer. We are all happy to have you aboard and waiting in bated breath for your first report Week Nine... [smiley=getoff.gif]

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/redskins/redskins-footballinfoframes.htm.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Oct 30^th, 2005, 7:59pm

Hey, Dave! [smiley=welcome.gif] Now, can you get me a bunch of TD's from Portis???

BTW - If I missed a [smiley=welcome.gif] to anyone, my bad. WELCOME ALL!!!! Things are getting fun around here! Hope to see all of the teams represented real soon. [smiley=huddle.gif]

And let's keep representing on SUNDAY MORNINGS.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 11^th, 2005, 3:42am

Hows about a BIG round of applause [smiley=clap.gif] for our newest team correspondent, who, mind you, ALREADY has gotten up his first team report, O4l a.k.a. Kevin Anderson, who is covering the Chiefs for us? We have broken through the .500 mark AND, furthermore, cover TWO full divisions now, the NFC East AND now the AFC West!!! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] ... Kevin, [smiley=welcome.gif] to "the Gridiron @FantasyFootballer.com" team, my friend! I am glad to have you aboard... this train that truly is gaining steam... [smiley=yes.gif]

Link to Kevin's Chiefs page:
http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/chiefs/chiefs-footballinfoframes.htm.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Nov 11^th, 2005, 5:14pm

BIG [smiley=welcome.gif], O4L!!!!

Glad to be getting more of the quality info you have always shared!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Nov 11^th, 2005, 5:57pm

Hmmm...and Oakland fan reporting for the Chiefs, huh? ;)

Welcome aboard O4L!! [smiley=cheers.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Nov 12^th, 2005, 1:07am

And he didn't even bash [smiley=chair.gif] the Chiefs [smiley=chief.gif] in his report!!!! That's true professionalism [smiley=pimpin.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 12^th, 2005, 12:43pm

Hows about that MC a.k.a. Ken Mesecher steppin' up to the "plate" [smiley=waitinforu.gif] (that's the closest thing I've got to a baseball smiley [smiley=shrug.gif]) on "the Gridiron" [smiley=footballsmiley.gif] yet again? Not only is he covering the Pack [smiley=cheesehead.gif] for us, but now he is doing the Seahawks [smiley=seahawk.gif] as well! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Be on the lookout for his first report, everybody:

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/seahawks/seahawks-footballinfoframes.htm.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Oakland4life on Nov 13^th, 2005, 10:21am

[smiley=clap.gif] Way to go Mordacai [smiley=clap.gif]

Except now the NFC is outnumbering the AFC by one [smiley=annoyed.gif]

We'll just have to fix that [smiley=onit.gif]
Nice job btw

O4L

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Nov 17^th, 2005, 4:02pm

Nice work everyone! It's great to see the Team Reports growing by leaps and bounds.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Nov 18^th, 2005, 12:45am

Thank you Philly and O4L[smiley=touching.gif] I am just having fun with this whole thing. There is really no work to it!! [smiley=booya.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 25^th, 2005, 8:38pm

Hows about that MordecaiCourage a.k.a. Ken Mesecher stepping up and doing a THIRD report? Our fellow Gridironer LaHorace a.k.a. Austin Patton has fallen on some difficult times and it was looking like I was going to have to remove the Texans report from the menu. BUT, Ken saves the day, gladly stepping up and taking on his hometown team. Thanks a BUNCH, man!!! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Nov 25^th, 2005, 8:42pm

VERY impressive, MC. The GRIDIRONETTES are CHEERING

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 25^th, 2005, 11:09pm

Boy, does Callie a.k.a. Cheryl Wall put force behind her words or what??? Check out that NEW San Francisco 49ers FF-specific team report we now sport:

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/49ers/49ers-footballinfoframes.htm.

That's the SECOND team she covers for us, mind you! You ARE the WOman, Call! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif] Thanks a bunch! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Nov 26^th, 2005, 10:52am

on 11/25/05 at 20:42:54, Callie wrote:

The GRIDIRONETTES are CHEERING

Dang!!!!!! [smiley=cheerleader.gif] Where were ya'll when I was a young, single fella'??? :-* ;D

BTW Callie...awesome 9er report..good job!!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Dec 11^th, 2005, 1:47am

The Detroit Lions have suddenly, unexpectedly become available. Before I remove them from the menu, would anybody out there like to take them on??? Just to be clear, based on the "project" of "the Gridiron", I am looking for long-termers, not fly-by-nighters. Anyway, any takers...???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Dec 14^th, 2005, 8:15pm

on 12/11/05 at 01:47:23, StegRock wrote:

LAST CALL!!!

I'd really like to not take the step backwards and have to remove them from our menu...

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 14^th, 2005, 11:25pm

I will do it. :)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Dec 14^th, 2005, 11:28pm

Stand-up guy, BW!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Dec 15^th, 2005, 3:04am

Jim, THANKS a BUNCH, friend! Callie, thank you for being willing, as well (as per your PM to me). Because of Jim's stepping up here, I plan/hope to/probably will have both Jim's new Lions page as well as the other one you are going to be doing, Callie, up no later than Sunday morning mainland time. :) Awesome!!! [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Oakland4life on Dec 16^th, 2005, 8:32pm

[smiley=clap.gif] Way to go Barnaby!!! [smiley=clap.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Dec 16^th, 2005, 8:37pm

Thank you Sir. [smiley=bow.gif]

on 12/16/05 at 20:32:32, Oakland4life wrote:

[smiley=clap.gif] Way to go Barnaby!!! [smiley=clap.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jan 9^th, 2006, 2:43am

Hows about some high-fives for our two most recent promotions to "Senior Correspondent", Gene Nestro who does the "Dallas Cowboys FF-specific Team Report" and Matt McElligott of the "Buffalo Bills FF-specific Team Report"? [smiley=clap.gif] I look forward to each of your first reports as senior correspondents. Congrats on the promotions! A thumb up for each of you... [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Jan 9^th, 2006, 8:56pm

[smiley=cheerleader.gif] Way to go, Gene & Matt!!! [smiley=cheerleader.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 1^st, 2006, 1:05am

These guys have been givin' it up for us over the last year, so let's now give it up for our latest three promotions to "Senior Correspondent", Rick Gould of the Rams [smiley=ram.gif], Todd Webster of the Colts [smiley=horseshoe.gif], and Ken Mesecher, who does the reports for the Packers [smiley=cheesehead.gif], Seahawks [smiley=seahawk.gif] and Texans [smiley=texan.gif]. ... Also, let's welcome our new Bears [smiley=bear.gif] correspondent, Jamie Josko. Can't wait for that first report, man!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jun 1^st, 2006, 11:48am

Way to go fellas!!!! [smiley=clap.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Jun 1^st, 2006, 12:05pm

Congrats!

[smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif] [smiley=clap.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Jun 1^st, 2006, 3:50pm

Thank you very much!! It's alot of fun for me. [smiley=booya.gif] Way to step up Jamie..the Bears ought to be an interesting report to do. Look forward to seeing it up.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by steelkings on Jun 2^nd, 2006, 7:18am

We know who you mild mannered reporter types really are!

http://members.fortunecity.com/mbestradera/sclarkk.jpg

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 8^th, 2006, 6:59pm

Hey, fellow team correspondents,... check out [smiley=checkin.gif] your monikers under your user names... In a brainstorm on the toilet [smiley=downthetubes.gif] today, [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] I finally came up with the "brilliant" idea of adding your status on the site as team correspondents... ;D ENJOY,... and, as always, THANK YOU ALL for your efforts and contributions!!! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Jun 8^th, 2006, 7:01pm

Thanks!! I like it!! [smiley=booya.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Jun 8^th, 2006, 7:13pm

If the Cowboys become open let me know. It's a little dissapointing that nothing new has been updated since January 1, 2006.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Larsen89 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 12:22pm

I'd be interested in becoming a Vikings Correspondent. I'm not sure how the guy who currently is doing, last post was in March? I'm a die-hard Viking fan and I would hope to impress, I follow it closely reading all the Minneapolis-St. Paul newspapers everyday on-line, vikingupdate.com / vikings.com / kfan.com etc. etc.

If you are looking to replace or looking for a 2nd person to head up the Vikings, I'll be all over it, noticed you said you were looking for long-termers....Here I am!!!!

I'll review what else is availabe, but Minnesota sports are my forte.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:16pm

Larsen89, [smiley=welcome.gif] to "the Gridiron"!!! We've got a great bunch around here... Hang out and I think you'll enjoy the scene!

As for the Vikings report,... all these guys are volunteers and (as such) during the offseason it's difficult for me to push them too hard. captainpurple (Robert) is ultimately a long-time, diehard member of the site and has won my loyalty. If he weren't to be around/have a report up come mid-August, then I'd contact him, see what's up and, if he for some reason wants to/has to step down and you make yourself a fixture around here, I'd keep you in mind. Besides that, though,... if you are interested in coming aboard, I'd suggest considering one of the other 12 teams we need covered. That would be the way to "really" show your "team spirit" and that you're a "team player". Thank you for offering, nevertheless.

By the way, Tony, the same stands for Primer (Gene) and the Cowboys report as you can probably gather. Of course, you've been a long-timer here, too, so as time goes by that is duly noted. Again, though, as I suggested to Larsen, there are 12 other teams available. This is a fantasy football site, not NFL.com. If Tom Brady, e.g., is on your team, you become a Patriots "fan" (although, incidentally, I may have a guy for the Pats here soon) "by default"... Follow???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 7:04pm

*just my opinion and not a personal attack on anyone, just an observation of the work done to this point*

I totally appreciate and understand your idea of picking up a team to show your dedication to the site. However, not having a passion for a team can or has created a lack of dedication to the report. For example, only 2 team reports have actually done an update on the teams draft, which in my opinion is unprofessional. If I was a new comer to the site and clicked on "my" teams report and saw that nobody had bothered to write on the teams draft, which is a very important part of the season, I would be unimpressed to say the least. Therefore, I would rather wait for a team I was passionate about then grab a team and add another less than average team report. Now if the goal is just to have weekly fantasy updates and not around the year team updates, then the reports are probably satisfactory.

Once again just my opinion on the reports, not the writers themselves!!!!!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jul 5^th, 2006, 9:41am

I understand that fantasy guys (and gals, Callie!) sometimes take a break in the off-season, but if the Gridiron wants to be the year-round destination for football information and opinion, then we need more of a commitment from the writers. I believe that Steg asked for weekly updates in-season and monthly updates out-of-season.

Here are the last updates that we currently have:
12/29, 12/30, 12/30, 12/30, 12/31, 12/31, 1/1, 1/7, 1/8, 1/13, 1/22, 2/5, 3/13, 4/3, 4/25, 5/2, 5/2, 6/25... (Most of these were archived because they are so old.)

I last updated mine (Eagles) on 6/13 and haven't done so since because there has been little to no news worthy of reporting. Regardless, I had planned an update this week since we're expected to do (at least) a monthly report in the off-season.

I know it's difficult to enforce this with volunteers (some of whom even donate their money in addition to their time), but if we have others ready and willing to do the work, then I don't think they should be shut out of the team they follow religiously because someone else said they'd do the work and then didn't follow through.

The thing is, nearly all of the people who do team reports are regular visitors here -- meaning they've been to the site many, many times since their last update and haven't put forth the effort to write a couple sentences on their teams... And it's not like nothing has happened since the end of December. Free agency (which every NFL team was affected by) and the draft (which every NFL team participated in) have occurred. I can't believe there was nothing fantasy newsworthy happening there...

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Jul 5^th, 2006, 12:24pm

on 07/05/06 at 09:41:08, Philly wrote:

we need more of a commitment from the writers.

The thing is, nearly all of the people who do team reports are regular visitors here -- meaning they've been to the site many, many times since their last update and haven't put forth the effort to write a couple sentences on their teams

In all likelyhood Philly (and others), people who have volunteered to be correspondents simply have full time responsibilities outside of the Gridiron. These responsibilities go on during and after the football season. For example (hypothetically of course)...let's say someone had volunteered to do 3 team reports. After football season wrapped up, this correspondent just happened to have 3 boys who played baseball and basketball. Let's say that this certain correspondent coached 1 of those boys from November to February in basketball and 2 of those boys from Feb. to late July in baseball. Pretty busy guy/gal you might say. Now, adding color to this person's schedule, let's suppose the same guy/gal also taught 4th graders twice a week, maintained a 53 hour work week, maintained his/her house, was a caretaker for his/her elderly terminal mother, was a husband/wife to his/her spouse, father/mother to his/her children, friend to his/her neighbors (do I need to continue?) I'll even bet that if you found this hypothetical correspondent, he/she would probably have many of his/her team report posts well after midnight when many other's are sleeping, partying, or doing whatever else they may do for themselves. So, please tell him/her more about committment, I don't think they quite get it! I would be willing to bet that a guy/gal who even took on 1 team and only updated during the regular season religously, was showing incredible committment in just doing that. Step on toes? Though I know you didn't mean to, I'll bet you stepped right on this hypothetical correspondent's toes....assuming he/she was a real person!!

Even with all that...I'm sure he/she will update in the very near future, ;)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jul 5^th, 2006, 1:50pm

I made a very deliberate attempt to NOT list names, hypothetical or otherwise, in my post so that those with sensitive toes might not feel trodden upon. I was merely hoping to remind some people to get their reports updated or to encourage some of those amazingly busy (but committed) people to consider giving up a team to someone else who might have requested it.

I'm sure we're all pretty busy people offline. I'm not going to list all my responsibilities or share how many hours I work each week because I have no desire to turn this into a "I'm busier than you are" contest. I do know that all of us agreed to certain stipulations when we offered to help out as team correspondents. I applaud [smiley=clap.gif] those of you (hypothetical or otherwise) who volunteered to take on additional teams. I know that all of those multi-teamed writers took on those teams knowing the amount of time that they had to offer to such a venture.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Jul 5^th, 2006, 2:27pm

I for one am not taking anything anyone says to heart critisizing the team reports, especially when he/she won't step up to the plate and do one themselves.

I too do three reports and have a full time job working graveyards, with three children, two of whom I have coached basketball, soccer and baseball in the last six months.

If you want to whine about the team reports, come do one yourself. If you don't want to do one, than shut up.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Jul 5^th, 2006, 4:26pm

Wow Barnaby, you sound just like my hypothetical correspondent. You almost mirror that word for word.

I am not trying to start anything here Philly, just think that anyone who volunteers their time should not be questioned about their "committment" level. I know you are not doing that, so I am only answering others by answering your post (if that makes sense) Anyway, I will be putting up some current info. in the near future on my reports. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Jul 5^th, 2006, 6:51pm

I always read all the team reports, and I'm glad to have 'em!

For my team reports, I've put in early FA reports, draft reports, and the odd FA items in the Off-Season threads. I've been planning to put in reports on what to watch for in camp (my teams don't do camp until late July). But if you guys would like more, just say so! I love doing this stuff!
[smiley=cheers.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Jul 5^th, 2006, 7:02pm

Thanks Callie..your reports are usually the first ones I look at when I sign on. You are very good at what you do!! ;)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:48pm

on 07/03/06 at 19:04:52, Tony_O wrote:

What ensued after Tony's post is a bunch of good people, who have done a great deal to make this site what it is, adjusting their drawers after, indemnification clauses at top and bottom aside, getting pretty much called out on the carpet... I'd like to put this post of Tony's back into perspective...

I fear, Toner, that your post here is wrought with fallacious reasoning... First,... a quick hit regarding your use of the word "unprofessional",... until this site is generating real revenue and writers are getting paid, the "effort" here remains "amateur" by definition. All we can do is "do our best" and be as "professional" as can be expected in a "volunteer" environment. In any event, the fact of the matter is that I have dismissed writers of their duties here. It's just that given the "volunteer" nature to things the threshold is rather low. It's just a function of the circumstances... Furthermore, until you actually step up and do one of these things, I don't think you understand all that it takes (out of you). I digress... Forget about reports for a second... I have a post I am going to append to a thread here after I get done with this. I spent about FIVE hours writing it out (yes, "writing" it; I didn't have internet access yesterday) on the 4th of July, no less, and this is just a "post". Team reports are even more serious business, and, notwithstanding the offseason requirement of one report per month, the fact of the matter is that July, August and in-season reports are, at this stage of the game, what's most important. I would also like to add that personally I feel that NFL Draft analysis is not the key on this site. It happens to be Jeff's schtick and Callie too seems to enjoy it, but, really, I feel that they are going way beyond the call of duty analyzing each and every draft pick for their teams. Honestly, as far as I am concerned, much beyond the first round and surely no later than the third, those guys have to prove to me their "fantasy relevance" in, at least, training camp if not the season... or "some" season. That said, I am not going to discourage Jeff and Call. If they enjoy doing it, I say go for it. Bottom line, if someone does a solid job from July through December/January, which by and large everybody on staff right now does, I'm willing to cut them slack during the months of February through June. What I surely do NOT want is a bunch of burnt-out volunteer writers. If taking a break from February through June,... again,... at this "voluntary" stage of the game,... means better, more invigorated "volunteer" work come July through December/January, I say fine, let it be.

But, here is my greater concern with your post, Tony... You are working with a (false) pretense which is leading you to a (logical) fallacy in your reasoning... You (in response to my post, I suppose) want to draw a correlation between writers reporting on their favorite teams and the high "quality" and frequency of their reports vis-a-vis writers NOT reporting on a team that's their favorite and the low "quality" and frequency of their reports. I don't think this is going to check out at all... Let's quickly first just look at the three for which Draft analysis was done...

Eagles - Jeff West - Favorite team
Raiders - Cheryl Wall - Favorite team
49ers - Cheryl Wall - NOT favorite team

So,... well,... you're batting .666... Not bad... But,... again,... your indemnification clauses about your post be impersonal aside, I firmly believe that it's ALL ABOUT Jeff's and Cheryl's personal situations and bents with respect to the Draft. Without doing the calculations beforehand, I am guessing that you will bat less that .500 with the rest (without even including Jim's and Todd's updates of today, which, good news, Tony, I think your post might have "effected" or, at least, "affected" ;))... Let's see...

Bills - Matt McElligott - FAVORITE team - Last updated 12/30 (Out!)

Bengals - Jim O'Dell - NOT favorite team - Last updated (before today) 1/8 (Hit!)

Cowboys - Gene Nestro - FAVORITE team - Last updated 1/1 (Out!)

Broncos - Steve Stegeman - FAVORITE team - Last updated 6/25, but only two offseason updates in total (Foul ball!)

Lions - Jim O'Dell - NOT favorite team - Last updated (before today) 12/30 (Hit!)

Packers - Ken Mesecher - FAVORITE team - Last updated 12/31 (Out!)

Texans - Ken Mesecher - 2nd favorite team - Last updated 12/31 (Foul ball!)

Colts - Todd Webster - NOT favorite team - Last updated (before today) 1/13 (Hit!)

Vikings - Robert Christianson - FAVORITE team - Last updated 3/13 (Out!)

Giants - Jim O'Dell - FAVORITE team - Last updated (before today) 4/25 (Just foul!)

Raiders - Cheryl Wall - FAVORITE team - Last updated 5/2 (Hit!)

Eagles - Jeff West - FAVORITE team - Last updated 6/13 (Hit!)

Steelers - Jeremy Miller - FAVORITE team - Last updated 2/5 (Out!)

Chargers - Travis Cooper - FAVORITE team - Last updated 12/30 (Out!)

49ers - Cheryl Wall - NOT favorite team - Last updated 5/2 (Out!)

Seahawks - Ken Mesecher - NOT favorite team - Last updated 1/22 (Hit!)

Rams - Rick Gould - FAVORITE team - Last updated 4/3 (Out!)

Bears - formerly Cheryl Wall - NOT favorite team - Last updated 5/2 (Out!)

Chiefs - Kevin Anderson - NOT favorite team - Last updated 12/29 (Hit!)

Redskins - David Bohrer - FAVORITE team - Last updated 1/7 (Out!)

Okay... So, whatchya hittin'??? 7 for 17 for a .412 average... good in baseball, but lousy here!

Furthermore, with respect to guys who I had to relieve from duty, you are batting .000, goose eggs! The Redskins was former correspondent Justin Madeyski's favorite team as were the Lions for former correspondent George Thomas and the Texans for former correspondent Austin Patton. 0 for 3!

The bottom line is that it really makes no difference, and the fact of the matter is, contrary to your (transparent, but, in any event, unnecessary) indemnification clauses, all this IS revelatory of the person (in a existentialist/personalist (existentialism with a Christian twist) sense, which is how I view/assess things... and people). You don't just author your writing. You author your life, and commitments are a part of that, and commitments should only be made when it is believed that they can be foreseeably and reasonably fulfilled. So, with that said, notwithstanding all of what I wrote above, I am disappointed with the lack of effort put forth by our team correspondents this offseason, including myself to some degree. But, I am NOT nearly disappointed enough to start giving anybody the hook,... no less to a "Johnnie come lately" (the Cowboys, after all, were available for some time, as of January of '05). Too much work has been "volunteered" and too much good-will has been built up with me by everyone on the current staff for me to be all too hasty with the whip. [smiley=mywhippinboy.gif] Honestly,... Tony,... the irony is that what your post screams most is "Don't count on me for anything but the Cowboys," which is a shame... :( I think you could do a good job, and if you took on a"nother" team, you might situate yourself to take over the Cowboys if Gene ever decides to step down or has to be relieved of his duty. As things stand right now, you are just another Cowboy fan, who, granted, does happen to be a long-time member of the site, but not a writer building up a "resume" of sorts with me and, on the personal side, testing yourself and making sure you really are cut out for this.

(This "post" itself took 90 minutes... So, you want to be a writer, huh???)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Jul 8^th, 2006, 4:04pm

I'll just let your 90 minute rant stand for itself.

Just to state an accurate representation of the responses to my post, not all of the writers felt insulted or affended by my post. The writers who "in my opinion" seem to have taken a serious year round approach to their team reports appeared or stated by more than one way, appreciated my post.

I, like the hypothetical writer from MC's post am a very busy person away from here. I too work 40+ hours, coach Baseball, Soccer, Etc., have 2 children, attend church, attend bible studies, work in kids ministries, go on missions trips, and a list other stuff.
That's why I never "stepped" up before.

However, when I have a moment to myself, I check the web and find out what is going on with my favorite team, the Cowboys. I follow the draft, free agency, depth charts, etc. So, for me, since I am already spending the time doing the research, writing the report wouldn't take that much more effort. This was my point of view in making the favorite team/passion rational. It obviously, doesn't apply to other writers on the staff. Football is by far my favorite sport and I don't take a break during the off-season, thats just me. At this point in my life, I probably wouldn't have the time to research, to the extent that I would prefer, a team other than the Cowboys.

As far as my unnecessary before and after indemnification clause...... I wanted to use them incase my feelings about the writers themselves were not transparent. I wanted to make sure they understood that I was judging the work and not the person. It is not my right or my intention to judge them. I used the indemnification clauses before and after because of your post from another thread......

on 06/16/06 at 05:31:54, StegRock wrote:

I hate that shit the most... It forces my hand... Up until that, I wasn't going to respond, or I was going to only VERY simply (with [smiley=laugh.gif] ... [smiley=silence.gif]). It's like putting that indemnification clause at the end is somehow supposed to nullify or mitigate what you've written. It doesn't, though. It's a hollow and transparent gesture. So, don't even bother appending it to the end of your message just to convolute things. It's like when a lawyer refers to or asks about something he's not supposed to and it is objected to and "stricken" from the record, but the bottom line is the jury's heard it. You claim you're just joking after the fact (why not put that parenthetical at the beginning, so I could have stopped reading right there, and people would be tipped off before reading the rest, which does affect the mindset of the reader?), but the damage is already done, in fact, still being done.

In closing, I apoligize if I stepped on the toes of any the writers, hypothetical or not. However, if my post created a renewed fire under the writers #$*! and the result is new updated team reports. Then this SITE is better for it and in the end thats all I was worried about. Although this site isn't a money making machine, I don't see it or the work being done as "amateur". This is a professionally operated and designed Fantasy Football site and that is a result of your hard work Steve.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Jul 8^th, 2006, 4:31pm

Being that I was away for 4 days and didn't have access to the site, I see that many if not all of the reports have been updated. I guess the post made a difference directly or indirectly in some way.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Jul 8^th, 2006, 8:02pm

[quote author=StegRock link=board=58;num=1091218912;start=75#87 date=07/05/06 at 22:48:20]

Honestly,... Tony,... the irony is that what your post screams most is "Don't count on me for anything but the Cowboys," which is a shame... :( . As things stand right now, you are just another Cowboy fan, who, granted, does happen to be a long-time member of the site[quote]

What really is a shame, is that discription of my involvement with this site.
Really, the team reports is the only thing I havn't really been involved with. I participate in on-site leagues, post frequently, participate in site drafts, huddles etc., have made monitary donations, and researched potential site sponsors for the fantasy magazine. But, hey I'm just a Cowboy fan who has been around for awhile.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 9^th, 2006, 7:50pm

That's what I meant by "long-time" member, Tony. It just didn't seem necessary for me to "itemize" it out here (for, while your contributions better some, for sure, they pale in comparison to others, some of whom, with your words, you are matter-of-factly calling out on the carpet, and, mind you, the road you've paved for yourself on "the Gridiron" hasn't been as,... well,... "smooth" as most of the others; it's been a somewhat "gravely" path). And, while I agree that your post did succeed in lighting a fire under some asses (I too acknowledged that in, what amounts to you as, my "rant"), about which I am happy, mind you (but we are coming to "that" time of year, so... don't break your back patting it ;)), and while churches around the country were full of good-hearted, well-intentioned parishioners and congregation members this weekend, I sat with an 88-year-old Chinese(-American) man, a WWII veteran, in fact,... a locksmith, as it mattered to me at the moment (as per my latest post on the "Site Donors" thread),... who told me a (war) story from which I gleaned (and shared with him) the following words: "It's more important to see the opportunities you have in life (to make a difference) and seize them than complain about the ones you don't or have lost." [smiley=zenmaster.gif] Take it however you want, but understand that those are words the old chieftan here finds wise and thinks are worth living by,... you know,... the guy who, amidst all his "rantings" and "ravings" somehow makes this "amateur" site seem so professional... without ever waving a magic wand. [smiley=awwgee.gif]

Also,... quick addendum,... that quote of mine there you copied and pasted from my "debate" with JYJ on that other thread, Tony, is REALLY out of context here. My point about your "indemnification" clauses here is QUITE different than the one I am making about Jake's there. My point here regards that "author of life" stuff I wrote about... That saying it about the work is tantamount to saying it about the person,... and what I'm saying, quite the contrary to what you're suggesting I'm saying, is that that's not a bad thing... in my book. "Who" are you... besides your actions? That's where I'm coming from...

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 14^th, 2006, 2:35am

This post is to our "FF-specific" team correspondents...

Guys... and gal,... Tony's wake-up call aside,... remember that our team reports are supposed to be "FF-specific". Avoid newsbreaking! That's exactly what we do NOT want to do. As far as reporting the news in and of itself, we canNOT even come close to competing with secondary football news sources like KFFL and Fanball, let alone the BIG news outlets like ESPN and CNN/SI. OUR magic is in OUR giving OUR UNIQUE fantasy spins and having them all available here EXCLUSIVELY, [smiley=wizard.gif] NOT in reporting the news, no less fantasy-irrelevant news. In any event,... we have a newsbreaker at FantasyFootballer.com, namely "The REAL Feed". ... Anyway, just a heads up... Now,... back to the good work... [smiley=onit.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 14^th, 2006, 2:08pm

on 07/14/06 at 02:35:09, StegRock wrote:

Guys,... just to be absolutely clear here,... it's NOT enough for a news item/story to just be fantasy-relevant in and of itself and, thus, just reported per se with no further commentary. The key here is for you guys to give your (FantasyFootballer.com) "fantasy-specific" take... Original content is the key for us!!! Okay... Over and out...

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Larsen89 on Jul 14^th, 2006, 9:30pm

Vikings - Robert Christianson - FAVORITE team - Last updated 3/13 (Out!)

Hey Steg, does this mean the Vikings are up for grabs??? How about putting me on probation? [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 14^th, 2006, 10:00pm

on 07/14/06 at 21:30:55, Larsen89 wrote:

Vikings - Robert Christianson - FAVORITE team - Last updated 3/13 (Out!)

Hey Steg, does this mean the Vikings are up for grabs??? How about putting me on probation? [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif]

No, no, no... Read through that post of mine carefully, please, Larsen. You've quoted me WAY out of context there.

If you want to take on another team besides the Vikes,... then we're talkin'... Otherwise,... no dice (right now or in the foreseeable future). Sorry, man.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jul 15^th, 2006, 3:16pm

That's worth a little snicker...

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Aug 1^st, 2006, 2:28am

I'd like to take a moment here to [smiley=welcome.gif] our newest addition to the writing staff here at FantasyFootballer.com, our NEW Arizona Cardinals FF-specific team correspondent, Takamine305 a.k.a. Nathan Hamilton, son of Chuck a.k.a. cwhams. Lookin' forward to your first report, man...

http://www.ffpro.com/teamreports/cardinals/cardinals-footballinfoframes.htm. [smiley=woohoo.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Aug 1^st, 2006, 11:08am

Way to go Nathan.........have some fun with it bro. ;D

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Aug 1^st, 2006, 12:33pm

Hey... welcome aboard, Nathan. Those Cards should be a fun bunch to keep track of now. Just don't listen to your dad when he starts talking up Neil Rackers... ;)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Takamine305 on Aug 1^st, 2006, 10:24pm

Thanks for the warm welcome fellas!!! ;D

I am looking forward to my new cardinals report and hope anyone that reads it will enjoy it as much as i will writing it!!

never underestimate, "The Rackers Effect"

As soon as you do....BANG, someone picks him up in round SIX!!! :o lol [smiley=simphomer.gif] "doh"

Good luck to all of you in your fantasy football endeavors this year and........SEE YOU ON THE GRIDIRON!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by BarnabyWilde on Aug 2^nd, 2006, 1:33am

Welcome!!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Aug 6^th, 2006, 6:57pm

[smiley=welcome.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Oct 29^th, 2006, 12:52pm

I want to extend a hearty thank you to one MUCH-needed bright spot this week, Nate Hamilton, and his stepping up in quick fashion to take over the "Bears FF-specific Team Report" in light of Jamie Josko's impromptu departure. Thank you, man! [smiley=bow.gif] I also want to thank our girl, Cheryl Wall, Callie, who was our original Bears correspondent, but allowed me to give this one to Nathan, who is a BIG-time Bears fan and lives up that way. Thank you too, Callie, for being so "agreeable" and "easy" (at the end of a week when so many around here wanted to make life for me so, so "difficult" :'()!!! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by cwhams on Oct 29^th, 2006, 6:16pm

:D Congrats to the Nathan...I'm just a bit jealous...Da Bears are my team too.

All is well and I hope things go a bit smoother for you Steg.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Takamine305 on Oct 29^th, 2006, 7:24pm

I was more then happy to take over the Bears report.

Thanks for keeping me in mind... [smiley=cheers.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Oct 29^th, 2006, 9:34pm

Way to go Nathan ..... you da' man!! ;D [smiley=bear.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Oct 29^th, 2006, 11:17pm

Way to go, Nate! Glad you can do your fave team's report - and I'm really lookin' forward!

And thanks for the kind words, Steg. We're a team here.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jul 9^th, 2007, 8:28pm

Well, we're probably gaining two fantasy team correpondents here soon, [smiley=clap.gif] one for the [smiley=pinkpanther.gif] Panthers and another for the [smiley=priest.gif] Saints. But, we are losing two. [smiley=wavinbye.gif] Gene has to step aside from the [smiley=cowboy.gif] Cowboys report, but I'm thinking we have a "go-to guy" there. However, we're also losing the [smiley=proudAmerican.gif] Bills guy, Matt. He remains a friend of the site, but his life is pulling him away. In any event, I do NOT have a replacement for him. But, I would like to not lose Bills coverage. So, is there anybody out there who'd like to become FantasyFootballer.com's Buffalo Bills correspondent??? I would like to know as soon as possible in the sense that I've got a) two new guys coming aboard, b) an anticipated change of correspondents, and c) three promotions on the slate. I'd like to kill all these birds with one stone... and in one shot. Point being, if someone wants the Bills, please do NOT dilly-dally. I would like to include the work of converting the Bills over to a new correspondent in with the rest of the work I have to do on the fantasy team reports section. So, who's up for commencing or furthering a writing career and taking on "fantasizing" ;) about the Bills???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Aug 5^th, 2007, 7:15am

Well, we're sure gearing up for the '07 season... I would like to CONGRATULATE our newly promoted "Senior [smiley=wiseman.gif] Correspondents", DB a.k.a. Dave Bohrer ([smiley=redskin.gif]'s), Oakland4life a.k.a. Kevin Anderson ([smiley=chief.gif]'s) and Takamine305 a.k.a. Nathan Hamilton ([smiley=bear.gif]'s & [smiley=chicken.gif]'s), and extend a hearty [smiley=welcome.gif] to our NEW "Junior [smiley=newbie.gif] Correspondents", cwhams a.k.a. Chuck Hamilton ([smiley=pinkpanther.gif]'s), Tony_O a.k.a. Tony Onisko ([smiley=cowboy.gif]'s) and Eric a.k.a. Eric Kiss ([smiley=priest.gif]'s). I'm glad to have you all on "the [smiley=footballsmiley.gif] Gridiron"... team!!! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Aug 13^th, 2007, 11:14pm

on 08/05/07 at 07:15:48, StegRock wrote:

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Can't wait to see the reports

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Aug 19^th, 2007, 2:27am

Congrats to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 15^th, 2007, 5:02am

Is it something about the initials T.O. that engenders (negative) self-importance???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by steelkings on Sep 15^th, 2007, 7:45am

on 09/15/07 at 05:02:19, StegRock wrote:

Is it something about the initials T.O. that engenders (negative) self-importance???

[smiley=uh.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 15^th, 2007, 5:46pm

on 07/30/07 at 23:59:24, Tony_O wrote:

by Tony Onisko

Time & Date of this Update (PST): 20:55 on Thur Sep 13 2007

News: Week #2: Dallas travels to Miami

Fantasy Football Slant:
Lets get this out of the way, anybody who guesses, predicts, expects, or prophecies' what is going to happen in Week #1 of the N.F.L. is partaking in actions that are hazardous to your health! It is next to impossible to accurately project what is going to happen after watching 4 to 5 preseason games that utilize vanilla offenses, non-blitzing defenses, and truthfully; the games themselves become more about revenue than player analysis. So, I spared you my worthless attempt last week and I hope to give you a more informed opinion on what is in store for the "Boys" this weekend!

...

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by steelkings on Sep 15^th, 2007, 6:45pm

Quote:

by Tony Onisko

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Time & Date of this Update (PST): 20:55 on Thur Sep 13 2007

News: Week #2: Dallas travels to Miami

Fantasy Football Slant:
Lets get this out of the way, anybody who guesses, predicts, expects, or prophecies' what is going to happen in Week #1 of the N.F.L. is partaking in actions that are hazardous to your health! It is next to impossible to accurately project what is going to happen after watching 4 to 5 preseason games that utilize vanilla offenses, non-blitzing defenses, and truthfully; the games themselves become more about revenue than player analysis. So, I spared you my worthless attempt last week and I hope to give you a more informed opinion on what is in store for the "Boys" this weekend!

I dont know? I thought my Colt and Steeler predictions were darn close. Purhaps it comes easier to some more than others. Eh Tony? ;D

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 24^th, 2007, 3:59am

I guess Week 3 is a tough nut to crack, as well... Maybe it's just all "odd-numbered" weeks... [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Sep 24^th, 2007, 11:49pm

on 09/24/07 at 03:59:21, StegRock wrote:

I guess Week 3 is a tough nut to crack, as well... Maybe it's just all "odd-numbered" weeks... [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

good display of leadership skills!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 25^th, 2007, 1:08am

We are all in a position to lead... Backatchya, bro! ;)

[Incidentally, in case it isn't ABUNDANTLY clear, I'm totally cool with my leadership style... though, here, I am just throwing out a (some would say, well-deserved) crack, a rather mild one at that though one with an admitted "edge" and "message". Don't be so thin-skinned (out here in public, man). I look forward to seeing what you come up with Week 4.]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Sep 25^th, 2007, 6:30pm

on 09/25/07 at 01:08:42, StegRock wrote:

In case it isn't ABUNDANTLY clear, I'm totally cool with myself and I'm not thin skinned. Which is why I posted my comment, I wasn't worried what others would think. Which is better than people not caring about what I think, which seems to be the case for you considering this topic because you can only get "steel" to comment on it, even though you continue to try and stir it up! Maybe you were the one who orginally had the thin skin? Backatchya, bro! ;)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Oakland4life on Sep 25^th, 2007, 11:15pm

on 09/25/07 at 18:30:01, Tony_O wrote:

Maybe only "steel" posted something because the rest of us don't need this shit. You seem to be the one on the offensive here Tony. Steg is only trying to kick you in the ass and have a little bit of pride in this site and yourself and put forth the effort the rest of us do each week.

I think its great that you made the step to become a junior correspondant. But it takes a little more than just saying. Try doing.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 26^th, 2007, 1:27am

Dude, we wouldn't even be here right now if you didn't take the tack you did with your Week 1,... eh-hem,... TWO report... on two levels. For one, I surely wouldn't have been able to make the witty wise crack I did regarding your Week 3 report.

But, let's get to the REAL point... Instead of showing some humility (you know, that characteristic Jesus is so famous for) with your first-ever weekly report, Week 2 mind you,... YOU, Tony the Great, go ahead and insult the whole FF world,... in tendentious fashion, mind you, as we all know that's not really why you didn't post a Week 1 report. What happens? You get insulted back. Surprise!!! What??? That's not okay...??? ?.?.? It's okay for YOU, in your first-ever weekly report, to cast an insult at EVERY ONE of your brothers and colleagues, not just here at FantasyFootballer.com but, in fact, throughout the whole industry, but it's not okay for someone to throw out a little witty barb (BACK) at you. Well, if that doesn't REEK of an EGREGIOUS double-standard, I don't know what does.

BUT, that's not even the main point... The main point is that,... what do you know,... [smiley=dunce.gif] insults breed insults breed insults... Who'd a thunk it? (Call me crazy, [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] but I find sincerely humble apologies WAY cooler. And, also, just because people don't voice their resentment about such comments like those you made in your Week 2 report, it doesn't mean that they don't carry it away with them deep in their heart-mind.) Make no mistakes here, though... You started it. I just fired back. And, then, you fired back at me... Now, I'm NOT firing back anymore. I'm in SERIOUS discourse mode.

Now, of course, to get all this, there is a critical distinction one must be able to make here. One has to be able to distinguish between tough love that drives a point home and mere insults. I will say this... One sign of the former is when you find that a person is just as hard on him or herself as he or she is on others, i.e. holds him or herself to the same standard that he or she does others,... which ACTUALLY brings us back around to where I broke of that second paragraph here above. In other words, double-standards are a sign of the latter. One's having double-standards is a sign that self-critique is lacking, which renders a person incapable of leadership.

In fact, to take this one (unnecessary) step farther, I take it to be the case that being as hard on OTHERS as you are on yourself is a REQUIREMENT for authentic leadership... To see this point teased out, see my post of praise directed toward bgsgfan on the following thread (it's my only post on the page; one of only two on the whole thread):

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=7;action=display;num=1188054586;start=150.

Good luck! [smiley=shamrock.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Sep 26^th, 2007, 3:58pm

on 09/25/07 at 23:15:39, Oakland4life wrote:

I agree with your take O4L, but your making your judgement without all of the information. I moved this past week and didn't have internet access until Monday. I had just got done sending Steve an IM apoligizing for not being able to get to the report and the reason why, which is what he said he would prefer. Then after sending it, I saw his additional post trying to make fun of me. So, I called him on it.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 26^th, 2007, 4:05pm

on 09/26/07 at 15:58:03, Tony_O wrote:

Then after sending it, I saw his additional post trying to make fun of me. So, I called him on it.

Actually, it's the other way around. I made the post before retrieving the PM. BUT, YOU're right... "I" could have deleted it after. Again,... it didn't seem like a biggie. Playful or not, insults breed insults breed insults, though. If you are going to dish it out, be willing to take it, brother! :-/

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Sep 26^th, 2007, 8:33pm

I think insults can be fun when done in a playful manner and when the insulter knows the insultee is going to get a chuckle out of it (i.e., most smack talk within a fantasy league). When insults are done with the intent to make someone else feel bad (and, in turn, make the insulter feel superior in some way to the insultee), then they're unnecessary and irresponsible and only beget more insults and more mean-spirited behavior. That's not the type of person I'm interested in being. How about you?
[smiley=thinking.gif]

Just my uninvited [smiley=twocents.gif]. Have a great day! ;D

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Tony_O on Sep 26^th, 2007, 10:24pm

on 09/26/07 at 20:33:51, Philly wrote:

I agree! I try to not be that type of person as well.

Now shut your pie hole!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif] ;D :D ;)

That line will never stop being funny to me now!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 27^th, 2007, 4:08am

Well,... as usual, as the :-* goes on (I've seen this move before), old "BAD GUY" Steg is going to fight the good fight and try to make sure the deeper, more "self-challenging" points don't get lost in the shuffle of platitudes, pleasantries and enablers...

on 09/26/07 at 20:33:51, Philly wrote:

This is a nice, general way of putting it, but once you start dissecting it and thinking it through, [smiley=thinking.gif] it (quite literally) doesn't get you all too far... if you want to live the examined life, the only one worth living according to good old Socrates. It WAY OVERsimplifies things. With ALL DUE respect, Phil, you haven't communicated anything here that I didn't in my post... with quite a bit more depth and substance, mind you. You closed it with this tag about "That's not the type of person I'm interested in being. How about you?" That is such a LOADED statement and question. There are LOTS of ways to be "the type of person I'm not interested in being", i.e. an asshole, in life. All that we're dealing with here is intentional insults. That's just the tip of the Titanic-sinking iceberg,... and, mind you,... one that does NOT really even apply to this situation.

What do I mean by that? Tony SURELY did NOT intend his lead-in to his Week 2 report to be insulting. Whatever I think of him, I do NOT think that of him. So, what about "untargeted" insults? Rush Limbaugh, Jimmy "the Greek", Don Imus, et al., did not intend to insult anybody or hurt anybody's feelings or, at least, that's what I believe or, at least, what they'd say. What about when a return insult is, upon very thorough consideration, being used to teach a lesson [because addressing it directly isn't getting the job done, and is just either 1) creating further "mindless" acrimony if it's too done hardcore or, 2) if it's too done too softly, generally and/or vaguely (like I take your commentary to be, Jeff), further "enabling" the guy]? There, the insult is TOTALLY intentional. Of course, the intention of the intended insult isn't just to insult. Now, we've got intentions on top of intentions to consider. What about when you're in a room of unreasonably thin-skinned people? What about my just typing "fuck" right now? I'm sure someone was, at least, just a little offended by that. But, I didn't mean to offend anybody. [smiley=shrug.gif] ... [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif]

The point isn't to try to answer these questions. It's to see and come to appreciate the complexity of the issue at play here and not just knock down the guy in the crowd who's trying to deal with it on that more complex level it deserves. Dealing with it at the level of complexity it deserves is what seeing the forest through the trees means, the trees being that knot of questions above.

Intentions, like expectations, are presumptions and, thus, dangerous waters. But, of course, in life they are unavoidable. They are not a legitimate excuse, though. They can be a legitimate source of forgiveness. But, on the proactive side of the ball, good intentions aren't enough. I digress... To wit, to tie this into another "philosophical" discussion we are having elsewhere on the boards, Michael Vick, I don't think, thought he was doing anything wrong.

It is more important to try to do your best to see the "bigger picture" (the forest), i.e. come at things from a more comprehensive, wholistic perspective, and, yet, also consider the person you want to be and the life you want to author, and, QUITE contrary to Phil's point, what is ultimately most important is reasonably thorough consideration of the UNintended "residual" consequences of your actions. That's the unselfish part. What's intended is still "of the 'self'", so to speak.

Also important is execution. I considered this in a recent private message, that portion of which I think is worth sharing here...

Quote:

That's the thing. Intentions are only as good as the thought and "thoughtfulness" (of others) that goes into them. :-/ At the end of the day, it's all about execution. In fact, "good" intentions + bad execution = a total mess because the provocateur has a loophole (viz. so-called "good" intentions) that justifies (at least in his mind) a defensive posture (and perhaps even a righteous attitude in the worst megalomaniacal of cases). Meanwhile it is what it is, and we end up in a cycle of "mad"ness, so to speak.

That should do it for now... [smiley=tired.gif]

Is any of it even going to be appreciated, no less sink in... [smiley=stilldunno.gif]???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Sep 27^th, 2007, 2:04pm

on 09/27/07 at 04:08:16, StegRock wrote:

Socrates Schmocrates! ;) Good old Henry David Thoreau and I look at things similarly: Simplify, simplify, simplify!

Quote:

Is any of it even going to be appreciated, no less sink in... [smiley=stilldunno.gif]???

I appreciate your efforts, I just disagree with your methodology. I just feel that we'd probably accomplish more and resolve issues more quickly and avoid lingering bad feelings if things were done in a more aboveboard manner. I don't agree that using insults to teach a lesson is effective. Personally I'd be less interested in (intellectually) considering the lesson than I would be in (emotionally) considering the insult. I'd prefer that people react more intellectually than emotionally, but insults seem to automatically steer people to emotional responses instead of the more carefully considered intellectual ones. You and Tony have a history that dates back to when the QFL left the Gridiron, one which you've not forgotten as you brought it up again a while back, but still a long time after it happened. Are you sure that trading insults is going to resolve current issues between the two of you?

Quote:

What about when you're in a room of unreasonably thin-skinned people? What about my just typing "fuck" right now? I'm sure someone was, at least, just a little offended by that. But, I didn't mean to offend anybody. [smiley=shrug.gif] ... [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif]

Can you define "unreasonable"? Is there a baseline for reasonability? I happen to be one of those people who doesn't like the use of obscene (applying my own personal standards for what is obscene, of course) words like the one you mentioned above. Does the fact that it offends me make me unreasonably thin-skinned? I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't begrudge you the right to use it. I just choose not to use it myself. Does that make me reasonably thin-skinned? Maybe I'm not thin-skinned at all. Perhaps you're just unreasonably thick-skinned...? [smiley=hmmmm.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 27^th, 2007, 5:00pm

Awww, gee, Jeff... This is hopeless... I don't even have the energy to even try to begin unpacking that second paragraph. So, I'm not going to. [smiley=no.gif] That's that for that. But, I will say this much... At this very juncture, bringing up that "other" old incident, which the last time I brought it up was about a YEAR ago, but, in any event, still is what it is, BUT hasn't come up as regards THIS, not even behind the scenes, mind you, gets us ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE. In fact, it only CONFLATES things. [smiley=bawling.gif]

As for your third paragraph, your further questions just further prove the point I'm making here.

And, I know you probably know this, but since it's relevant... Your depiction of Thoreauian (sp. ?) "simplicity" is WAY OVERsimplified. One, as you say, "simplifies" things or, perhaps better put, focuses on the "simple" (the natural) so as to come to appreciate the complexity and see and appreciate that which we believe to be simple more deeply and "Thoreauly", to coin a term. :D He's not forwarding a philosophy of the simple-minded nor a philosophy of "K.I.S.S.",... quite the contrary. His famous tale of the ants in Walden is not a "simple" story with a moral that can be encompassed by a one-liner. It's a very "Thoreaugoing" (to coin another term :D) story, detailing various facets of the "war" between the black and red ants. It's a painstakingly complex tale. The point is through seeing the complexity and mult-dimensionality in even the most simple of things around us, he wants us to cut out the bullshit, which only piles on further unnecessary complexities or, should I say, make for further unnecessary complications. BUT, you really, truly, genuinely have to do the "legwork" it takes to accomplish/overcome the mental/intellectual challenge. It took him, in his mind, many moons on Walden... in a MUCH less modern world. :-/ (Incidentally, if you are interested. Thoreau is often used as a source of comparison with Daoism,... Walden - Dao De Jing.)

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on Sep 27^th, 2007, 8:33pm

Any potential Junior Correspondent with sufficient interest to click on this thread will most likely run for his life if he reads through this argument. He would come here wanting to participate in a fantasy football related type of participation in this site. This type of thing will scare him away. And if potential Junior Correspondents who want to argue these subjects in this way are the only ones who need apply, expect things to dry up a whole lot.

I request that Referee move this discussion to a more appropriate thread in compliance with the rules and for the good of the site.

Edit: I should have said respectfully request. Steve has the right to determine how this site is run, and I also know that he is not a bully. I just care enough to want potential new correspondents to understand that.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Sep 27^th, 2007, 8:50pm

I second that motion Callie. You are right...this could be "fought" somewhere else.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 27^th, 2007, 9:27pm

Well, I see this a bit differently. Better knowing things coming in than going out, and it's not like they're coming in droves, anyway. In any event, there is NOTHING I have posted here that I do not stand by. In fact, somewhat obviously, I consider my posts exemplary of the kind of dialogues I would like to see taking place here. THAT SAID, if someone wants to respond to the "argument" portion of what's going on here, but would rather not do so on this thread, feel free to ("quote" from here if need be and) take it to "the Bleachers" thread.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by PrimeTime on Oct 8^th, 2007, 10:53pm

I believe the point here is that Tony did not post a week one report. Rather than apoligize he tries to act like he did it on purpose because it was foolish to try to predict week one.

As Steg rightly points out this is a slight to all the other correspondants who did actually post a week one report.

I agree with the old Stegger on this one!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Apr 28^th, 2008, 5:46am

Callie, I can't find where, if my memory is serving me correctly here, you volunteered to take over the Bears FF-specific Team Report again. Am I right? If so, does that still stand? If it does, I'd like to get on that sooner than later (given the BIG move on the near horizon and the little [smiley=newbie.gif] Steglit on the way)! Let me know, preferably right here, at your earliest possible convenience. Thanks!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by steelkings on Apr 28^th, 2008, 5:00pm

Don't forget my offer to cover the Hate-riots...Err...The Patriots. Nobody better to cover them than the Steeler/Colt beat writer..

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on May 1^st, 2008, 8:28am

on 04/28/08 at 05:46:07, StegRock wrote:

I just got back from weeks out of state. (Mom had surgery and couldn't do anything. I moved in and played slave. ;D )

Sure, I'll take the Bears report back. It's one of the teams our family follows anyway.

OTOH, if someone else wants it, no prob.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on May 26^th, 2008, 3:10pm

Callie, sk,... I hope you guys are still up for taking on the Bears and Patriots reports, respectively. I will be making your pages today. [smiley=steg.gif] If either of you have changed your mind, PLEASE let me know! Otherwise, I am going... you are going... to be wasting my time here today, right? And, you know I am not going to be happy about that, and justifiably so. Anyway, thank you for volunteering and now for your anticipated consideration.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Callie on May 26^th, 2008, 5:48pm

No change. [smiley=bear.gif] = Callie!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by steelkings on May 26^th, 2008, 8:25pm

go bro!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on May 30^th, 2008, 2:57am

Callie, sk, your respective Bears [smiley=bear.gif] and Patriots [smiley=patriot.gif] pages are up. Your respective permissions are the same as for your other reports. Thank you both for stepping up! [smiley=bow.gif]

Also, Chuck, [smiley=pinkpanther.gif] Tony, [smiley=cowboy.gif] Eric, [smiley=priest.gif] yous guys will be getting an e-mail regarding this, but, since I am here, I might as well double up on the communicae... After one year of solid service to the site, you all's promotions to "Senior Correspondent" are official. Your pages are up as well. Congrats! [smiley=thumbsup.gif][smiley=twothumbsup.gif] (One... http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/YaBBImages/thumbup.gif for each of yous!) However, you will not be able to use them until we get that phone [smiley=phone.gif] date out of the way and we get your permissions set up and I explain all the (knotty little) details you need to know to get going. Let's get on that, preferably this upcoming weekend. As I told yous, this in-service is actually not nearly as rough as was the one for the "Junior Correspondent" set-up. Respond to the e-mail I am about to send yous about this a.s.a.p. [smiley=onit.gif] and let's schedule this a.s.a.p. for a.s.a.p.!!! ;D

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 12^th, 2008, 5:51am

Well, my fellow team correspondents, you have in all likelihood already noticed that the front-and-center links to the team reports have been removed from the pages of "the Gridiron" forum. This finally had to be done (on a few different fronts). The report pages are still there, however. If you check for yours, you'll see so for yourself. They're not going anywhere. It is just that now they will function more so as your personal web page as opposed to an official feature of the site.

So, you may wonder, "What does this mean in terms of how we will all now go about making our reports?" The content of the reports is to remain the same, i.e. FF-specific, and your goal during the season should still be to post a new report every week (though there is a "but" to that as you will see below). What will change, slightly, is how we will go about announcing them to the community. It's OUT with the "Analyses" pimp [smiley=pimpin.gif] threads. I now want us to announce/"pimp" our new reports simply via the "In-season" or "Offseason" team report threads (this, incidentally, may just conduce discussion of them,... which is part of the "bigger picture" modus operandi at play here... as you will see). That's it! Do note, though, that the links to the reports will remain in the rotating "Feature fader" on the index page of the forum. They're rather innocuous there as I'm pretty sure very few pay attention to the fader.

This change certainly eases your commitment. In fact, your commitment will now be more to yourself than me and the site. The point is that everybody can relax a little bit for, at least, the '08 season. Just do the best you can as you can. Whatever gets done with these reports will be seen as bonus as opposed to how the FF-specific team reports in their current state are perceived,... which leads me to the final "reality [smiley=doseofreality.gif] check" here...

Guys, bottom line, our not having the whole league covered looks poor at this point. When it was start-up, that was one thing. But, for our "10-teams-short" reports section to take up center stage on "the Gridiron" is no longer advisable. And, that is just the veneer. When you scratch the surface and click into the reports section, you find a number (too high) of outdated reports, even during the season. Forget about the offseason. I myself am not doing a good job of leading by example (and I'm doing the best I can). Compared to other FF sites out there, we are waaaaay behind. That said, while we may be down, we are not out. I hope that someday it all comes back the way it should. Until then, you've got your personal team pages to have fun with as well as continue to prove yourself by way of.

Thing is, to get ourselves back untracked, we need to take a step back, and, philosophically, that is really what drives the scale-backs. The aforementioned (very real, mind you) issues notwithstanding, what's happening with the FF-specific team reports section is really just a (more noticable) part of the general scale-back that is taking place. It is to the "bigger picture" that I will now turn in a post on the "Offseason on 'the Gridiron'" thread...

http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=58;action=display;num=1042955464;start=125.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 9^th, 2008, 5:53pm

I would like to give a BIG THANK YOU to Rick Gould (Rams Correspondent), Ken Mesecher (Seahawks, Texans, Packers) and Eric Kiss (Saints) for, in this "time of troubles" or, at least, serious duress on "the Gridiron", keeping up with their team reports and posting 2008 Week 1 updates. Awesome, job, gentlemen! Also, a thumbs up to Jeff West (Eagles) and Robert Christenson (Vikings) for putting forth effort and keeping their team reports updated during the preseason.

Getting over this present hump will surely be a test of... many things,... not the least of which will be resilience. [smiley=yes.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by rickgpin on Sep 9^th, 2008, 8:38pm

the hardest part is thinking of something positive to say about the St Louis Lambs! [smiley=surrender.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Sep 21^st, 2008, 2:34am

How's about MC and Ravenous T. keepin' up with The Rick here Week 3? Way to keep it UP (shwing... [smiley=dick.jpg]), guys, during these somewhat down [smiley=bawling.gif] times on "the Gridiron". [smiley=twothumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Oct 12^th, 2008, 3:07pm

Hows about we continue to give it up for The Rick (Rams) and Ravenous T (Chargers) for continuing to hang in there and do their team reports during this "down" year on "the Gridiron"... and, for that matter, for their respective teams, at least thus far??? Thanks a bunch, you two! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by MordecaiCourage on Oct 12^th, 2008, 4:30pm

on 10/12/08 at 15:07:45, StegRock wrote:

[smiley=clap.gif] Good job guys....a weekend tournament of select baseball took me out of my football mode...I'll be back strong week 7!!

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Nov 18^th, 2008, 8:09pm

How about giving it up for "The Rick", who, in spite of all the cutbacks here on "the Gridiron" this year as well as the poor season his team St. Louis is having, has kept it up with his Rams report now through Week 11? [smiley=clap.gif] A fairly extraordinary effort all things considered, and this is on top of the fact that Rick has supported the site (and its owner) in every substantive way possible. He has made a number of substantial donations; he joined Steg's List the two years that was going on; he even ordered a number of t-shirts when I was doing that. That's the kind of devotion such a "grassroots", "cooperative" effort such as this requires. He is the kind of chap, who, hypothetically and potentially if I get this thing to where I want it to go, I'd welcome sharing an office and living the life rapping fantasy football with someday. Thank you, Rick, for all you've done to support the site and inspire me to press on in my efforts! [smiley=bow.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by rickgpin on Nov 23^rd, 2008, 11:48am

I ain't no quitter.[smiley=dramaqueen.gif] Seriously, I enjoyed the site when it was a must see fantasy destination and can endure some setbacks. [smiley=dodged.gif] Keep pluggin away Steg! [smiley=drillsergeant.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on May 29^th, 2009, 3:38am

Does ANYBODY think that bringing back the FF-specific Team Reports as a FEATURE of the site, with it understood that 1) there is nothing I can offer in return, save for a sharp-looking team-report page and, as I would surmise, 2) at best only a handful of teams being covered, is a good idea??? Or, is it best to not revisit this until it can be done right?

My thinking is that, vis-a-vis what else is out there, if we don't have all 32 teams covered reasonably well, it just doesn't look good (for the site) having it front and center as a feature. In fact, when a guest clicks on a lame one, especially if it's the first one they click into, I think it really hurts the site, and, remember, the work would be totally volunteer, so... With that said, we did have success way back in the beginning when it was just a handful of fairly well-done reports.

Thoughts???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on May 29^th, 2009, 9:33am

Rather than just take them all down, why not set up an RSS feed on each one -- since you still have the Real Feed subscription, you could probably set up a filter to only show info on a certain team. Then you'd have current info on every page, and then you'd also have more detailed information to add to it from anyone who is still taking a team as a correspondent here.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on May 29^th, 2009, 2:50pm

on 05/29/09 at 09:33:52, Philly wrote:

Yes, I am sure that is the case, Jeff, i.e., the filtering is possible (of course, that's a bill that's approaching three months overdue, :-[ but I digress...). In any event, it is surely a great general suggestion and something I will definitely consider as time permits. That said, what is it you are exactly saying vis-a-vis my question(s) above?

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by Philly on Jun 1^st, 2009, 9:53am

on 05/29/09 at 03:38:55, StegRock wrote:

Does ANYBODY think that bringing back the FF-specific Team Reports as a FEATURE of the site with it understood that 1) there is nothing I can offer in return, save for a sharp-looking team-report page and, as I would surmise, 2) at best only a handful of teams being covered???

I'm not even sure what you're asking here. It seems like a few words are missing.

Quote:

Or, is it best to not revisit this until it can be done right?

When you say "done right," do you mean:
Quote:

have all 32 teams covered reasonably well

? If so, then you may be waiting a while until you revisit the issue. I think it's better to have something to start with, even if it is more generic RSS-feed info. If there's nothing there, there's nothing to keep people coming back.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by cwhams on Jun 1^st, 2009, 10:36pm

Yes, I think it should be brought back as a feature. Many, me specifically, lost interest when I noticed no one...save Rick , was posting.

Revive to survive...you do get hits based on specific team interest, even if all teams are not covered. [smiley=pumpedup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 2^nd, 2009, 1:29am

C-Dubs,... duly noted! [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Your answer as regards partial coverage is exactly the kind of answer I was looking for, and by stating that 32-team coverage is unnecessary, you are sort of seconding Philly's intimation that waiting around for 32-team coverage is probably unrealistic anytime soon. You two are at least on a similar page, and, even per the suggestion I made in the last sentence of my initial post here, I think the 32-team requirement does not need to be adhered to. However, volunteer effort or not, I'm going to have to enforce some better quality control, something I hardly did at all before. That's a bit of a tight rope to walk. Ultimately, Dubs, I wouldn't mind hearing you out on some of the more nuanced aspects of what I'm asking here like as regards the possibility of even pulling it off.

Phil,... per the above, I understand your position on the 32-team requirement, and I totally appreciate your suggestion about the RSS alternative.

on 06/01/09 at 09:53:47, Philly wrote:

I'm not even sure what you're asking here. It seems like a few words are missing.

As far as my question goes, there are surely no missing words (it's grammatically correct and all). It's a two or three parter, I suppose. Let's try this format...

1) Do you think that trying to bring back the FF-specific Team Reports as soon as possible as a feature, prominently linked to like before, is (hypothetically) worthwhile, in general? (That's actually kind of a rhetorical question, but, since I'm going about spelling this out, I feel the need to spell it all the way out, i.e. to include what's implied.)

2a) Do you think that bringing them back is even feasible when I have nothing to offer but the pages themselves, which are sharp, but the bottom line is that it's going to be totally volunteer?

2b) Furthermore, do you think it is feasible for me to impose on/expect of my volunteers a level of quality that is high enough that the proverbial purpose is not being defeated (i.e., we are not turning as many, if not more, people off by and away from the site as we are turning on to the site)? In other words, do you think that the level of quality control I can exert on dudes who are just totally volunteering their efforts can be sufficient enough (for us) to put out a polished enough product that we are reasonably proud of from top to bottom (vis-a-vis what else is out there)? (The point is that I was very loose with the quality control in the past and, let's face it, probably close to about half of the team reports didn't cut the mustard and were hurting the overall effort.)

3) And, finally, do you think it is worth bringing the FF-specific Team Reports back if only a handful of teams are going to be covered (for the foreseeable future)? In other words, do you think that only having a handful of teams covered still looks okay for the site? [You sort of answered this, Jeff. At least, you pointed out that I probably don't have a choice (outside of the RSS option).]

Another whack???

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by T-Rave on Jun 3^rd, 2009, 12:32pm

Steg,

I would answer yes -- I think it's worth having them, even if not all 32 teams are covered. I think you may end up having fewer than before because of increased quality control, but if we're willing to have only 12 reports we should be willing to have only 6, if you see what I mean.

By the way, Philly is right -- in your original phrasing of the question the verb is missing from the indirect statement: you said pretty much "do you thinking that bringing back the reports?" It's just that the qualifying clauses ("as a feature of the site . . .", "with it understood that . . .") are long enough to make us forget about the missing verb.

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 3^rd, 2009, 5:41pm

You are right, guys... [smiley=blush.gif] I stand corrected... [smiley=doh.gif]

on 05/29/09 at 03:38:55, StegRock wrote:

It should have read, "Does ANYBODY think that bringing back the FF-specific Team Reports as a FEATURE of the site, with it understood that 1) there is nothing I can offer in return, save for a sharp-looking team-report page and, as I would surmise, 2) at best only a handful of teams being covered, is a good idea???"

My apologies, specifically, to Philly for the denial... Moreover, it went just as you describe, T. By the end of that long blurb, I had forgotten... what I was asking, [smiley=gonecrazy.gif] so to speak, [smiley=laugh.gif] so much so that even reading it again and again I was still reading right through the error. The English Master (http://www.theenglishmaster.com)... ::) ... [smiley=pullleeeeeeeze.gif] ... ;)

In any event, thank you for the correction... [smiley=bow.gif] ANYTHING to improve... even the details,... moreover, the details! [smiley=yes.gif]

...

But, please permit me to point out the grammatical biff here too, though,...

on 06/03/09 at 12:32:36, T-Rave wrote:

By the way, Philly is right -- in your original phrasing of the question the verb is missing from the indirect statement: you said pretty much "do you thinking that bringing back the reports?" It's just that the qualifying clauses ("as a feature of the site . . .", "with it understood that . . .") are long enough to make us forget about the missing verb.

... typo, actually, I know, [smiley=cantcatch.gif] and it isn't a detriment to communication like mine was. [smiley=awwgee.gif] Moreover, it is I who got you all nutty with the present participles. ;D

...

ANYWAY, more importantly, thank you for your thoughtful and substantive response, T! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by cwhams on Jun 3^rd, 2009, 11:43pm

I believe you can pull it off, at least to some degree. In terms of quality control, personally I liked the boxed format that required the reporter to comment on each aspect of the team, i.e. RB, QB, WR, TE, K.

If reported consistently across all teams in that manner, it makes for an easy read and review of a specific team. That may create a nice draw for the site each week.

As hits increase, so would interest and volunteers. I believe there are lots of folks out there that would love to get involved with a site like this...we just got to find ways to attract and keep them. [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif]

Title: Re: Interested in becoming a Junior Correspondent
Post by StegRock on Jun 5^th, 2009, 6:22pm

C-Dubs, LOVE it! PITHY! I just wanted to wait to respond so as to let others reply without my influencing the convo. Be that as it may, this is a great idea [smiley=gotanidea.gif] that really exhibits a wonderful putting together of the pieces (that I was failing to see). I was concerned about how I would go about enforcing quality controls (the politics of it, no less the actual work of it), but this idea of yours here automatically, matter-of-factly forces some level of quality control, at least in terms of (standardizing) the appearance. Furthermore, it is within my technical know-how [smiley=steg.gif] to make you all's correspondent administration input forms with a separate input text box for each category, QB, RB, WR, TE, D/ST (IDP- and DU-style) (and perhaps an optional "general remarks" section) instead of like it is now, just one big "FF-specific Slant" text box to do with ultimately however you please, and it will automatically come out in that format with the table and everything on you all's displayed team report output pages. Brilliant! Again, that in and of itself will provide a modicum, at least, of quality control insofar as the look will be more consistent and, thus, professional. It will also (force each of us, who isn't so good at doing this, [smiley=whistle.gif] to) break up the reports into manageable chunks rather than long blurbs WHILE ALSO making sure everybody covers all AND ONLY the fantasy-relevant positions (while incorporating, say, coaching [smiley=coach.gif] or o-line [smiley=sumo.gif] info only as it affects, say, the quarterback or tailback positions). Awesome! The only thing (and I hate to remind yous of this, [smiley=violin.gif] but it is what it is), it's going to take me having to set aside what I would estimate to be 36 or so hours to get the job done. :-/ It's going to be a fairly technically heavy job for this self-taught computer "programmer". [smiley=builder.gif] I'm more than willing to do it! But, when will it be done (in another big move year for the Steggies AND, MOREOVER, a year in which "the Gridiron" will definitely be running WAY in the RED)? Either hopefully before we pull up stakes here in Cali so that we can take advantage of the big July-through-August preseason fantasy-football surge or at least by Week 1. But, to be totally honest, it may, at this point, all things considered, just have to be tabled until next year. It just is what it is. [smiley=doseofreality.gif] On the other hand, I could just give yous the template code again for the time being to hold us over and require yous to use it. Somehow, though, because of the complexity of HTML code for tables, I am disinclined to bring back the product until it can be done right, i.e. how I explain above. [smiley=thinking.gif] I'm also concerned, knowing myself and my circumstances, that, unless I'm forced to get this done right and unable to fall back on an easier way out (for myself), I'll keep putting it off (and it definitely won't be until next year). But, anyway, I'm just thinking aloud here with that. That's something more for me to reconcile. In any event, this is a great idea, and I do plan to follow up on it! On that... [smiley=note.gif], especially as regards my hesitance to get things back going by just giving yous the code and require its use,... any thoughts??? Or, any thoughts about anything, including the original question I ask here???