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(Message started by: StegRock on Jan 24th, 2005, 6:44pm)
Title: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bowl...
Post by StegRock on Jan 24th, 2005, 6:44pm
... in 2008! [smiley=doseofreality.gif] ... ;)

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Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by sameoldsameold on Jan 24th, 2005, 7:59pm
well steg you make some interesting points....im gonna agree mostly because i dont like repeat winners.....your points are valid ones and im gonna let the eagles win...even though im a redskin fan...
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DUKE0313 on Jan 24th, 2005, 8:49pm
And, being a COWBOYS fan, I'm tellin' ya...Philly won't be able to hang with the PATS on Offense OR Defense! New England wins another one and the Eagles go home dejected and rejected again, only to begin their inevitable decline!!!!!!! As for 2008? Philly will be a miserable team in the midst of  a major re-building attempt. Go Pats and GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DirkDiggler on Jan 24th, 2005, 8:53pm
I mean this in the nicest way possible that a Philly fan can say it:

F&#& You and go to hell!!
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Jan 24th, 2005, 8:55pm
First off, the Eagles can beat the Pats.  They certainly have a good enough offense, defense, special teams, and coaching to get it done.

Now, realistically, I don't think they will win.  I give them about a 30% chance to win.  Not because they are bad, it's just that the Pats are that good.  They don't make mistakes and they force the other teams to make them.

As for the Eagles rebuilding?  What positions will they need to rebuild?  They are young at nearly every position.  They have a plan for the future that brings in quality prospects (e.g., Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown) when the starters at the position are aging or getting close to demanding that huge contract.  They've got a QB who is still young and is locked up for a LOT of years.  The Eagles wrote the book on cap management in the modern NFL.  People seem to think that the Eagles window is closing, but I don't see it.
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DUKE0313 on Jan 24th, 2005, 9:44pm
Well Philly, again being from Dallas....I certainly hope you're wrong about the Eagles future. On a different note...Congratulations to Philadelphia (and the Pats) and all their fans for a GREAT season...all except Dirk with the "potty-mouth." Geez, you kiss your mother with that thing????
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by StegRock on Feb 5th, 2005, 7:18pm
Good luck [smiley=shammy.gif] [smiley=stpat.gif] [smiley=shamrock.gif] to you Eagles fans!  It's been a long time in the waiting.  I am pulling for yas.  This actually should have been the "all patriotic" Super Bowl back after the '01 season.

Anyway, the above having been said, I do think the Patriots will win... fairly convincingly.  Final score...

[smiley=patriot.gif] 34 - [smiley=eagle.gif] 20

I would not mind being wrong, though... :)
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by BarnabyWilde on Feb 6th, 2005, 11:16am

QUIT YOUR CRYING!!!!!



on 01/24/05 at 20:53:56, DirkDiggler wrote:
I mean this in the nicest way possible that a Philly fan can say it:

F&#& You and go to hell!!
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
:'(
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Feb 7th, 2005, 9:09am
Damn Andy Reid cost the Eagles the game.  I don't know what he was thinking with the clock management at the end of the game, but when your center is running to the line of scrimmage to get everyone set up and the coach has the QB call everyone back into the huddle... geez.  Andy Reid looked like a Pop Warner coach out there last night.

I have a newfound respect for Terrell Owens.  That's about the only good thing I can say about the Eagles performance last night.
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by StegRock on Feb 7th, 2005, 6:30pm
Well, specific commentary about play and play-calling aside, I just generally want to say that, moreover for a game that ended up close in score, it was an awfully boring Super Bowl.  It was far from a 24-21 exciter or, no less, nail-biter.  The Patriots did nothing special (as usual) and the Eagles played so-so.  It was a defensive battle, but even the defenses were not that spectacular.  The single most memorable play (for me) was the touchdown pass to Westbrook (which was probably ill-advised, but still sweet).  The second-most memorable play was the Freddie Mitchell touchdown, I suppose.  Also, Terrell Owens's performance overall was memorable.  The Patriots, on the contrary, did little to nothing memorable,... except win the game.  This is exemplified by the MVP Deion Branch, who, yes, had a record-book game for receptions in a Super Bowl with 11, but did not score a touchdown.  I don't know if I can come up with a player on offense who won the Super Bowl MVP, but did not score a touchdown. [smiley=shrug.gif]
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 7th, 2005, 6:41pm
I personally am pretty bitter. I was so friggin angry at the Eagles.  The waste of the clock, Brian Westbrook catching the ball for 1 yard, McNabb continuing to show he can not throw the friggin football, and finally, Reids reaction after the game regarding clock management.  UGH!!!  The Eagles beat themselves.  UGH!!  

Like Philly, the only positive I have is Terrell.  Dude went out there and played his guts out.  What really pissed me off was people who said he was playing for selfish reasons.  Dumbasses!!

OK, no more talk from me on this today.  I am just getting more and more angry as I type.....
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 7th, 2005, 6:42pm

on 01/24/05 at 18:44:33, StegRock wrote:
... in 2008! [smiley=doseofreality.gif] ... ;)

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

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I guess 2008 beats waiting another 25 years.....
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Feb 7th, 2005, 10:27pm

on 02/07/05 at 18:30:01, StegRock wrote:
The second-most memorable play was the Freddie Mitchell touchdown, I suppose.

Freddie didn't have a TD.  I think maybe you're thinking of the Greg Lewis TD catch (deep pass down the middle)?  Anyway, I can thankfully say that we Eagles fans have seen the end of Fred-Ex in Eagles green.  Good riddance.  Hopefully Pinkston will be shown the door too.  Pinky couldn't play in the second half because he had cramps? My God, take a Pamprin and stop your complaining.  Didn't you see that the WR on the other side of the field had a broken leg with two screws in it and you couldn't keep him off the field.  Can you imagine a more ill-suited pair of players?  Pinky has talent, but no heart.  Freddie has heart, but no talent.  I think if we combined the two players we'd end up with a heartless player with no talent instead of the converse.

Also, I was surprised that Deion Branch won the MVP.  Sure, he had a nice game, but I thought that Rodney Harrison was going to get it.  All those tackles, 2 INTs, and a sack... seemed like an MVP performance to me.
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by StegRock on Feb 7th, 2005, 10:31pm

on 02/07/05 at 22:27:08, Philly wrote:
Freddie didn't have a TD.  I think maybe you're thinking of the Greg Lewis TD catch (deep pass down the middle)?


[smiley=yes.gif]

Proof in the pudding. ;)
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Feb 8th, 2005, 8:55am
Interesting developments regarding the Eagles clock management at the end of the game...

While Andy Reid is taking much of the blame for not running the no-huddle offense at the end of the game, it appears he may have tried.  Reid said, following the game, that they were not able to run the no-huddle.  Last night, Hank Fraley and Jon Runyan were being interviewed and they indicated that Donovan McNabb was running on empty at the end of the game.  He had trouble catching his breath and nearly puked a couple times in the huddle (remember the Jacksonville game a couple years ago where he left it all on the field - literally - while trying to mount a 4th quarter comeback?).  Fraley said that at one point, McNabb couldn't even get the playcall out.  He mumbled something that they somewhat recognized and Freddie Mitchell had to call the play for him (probably the one catch Freddie had).  So, I admit, if this is the case, I may have been a bit too harsh on the coach.
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by KillerKingSting on Feb 8th, 2005, 9:14am

on 02/07/05 at 22:27:08, Philly wrote:
Freddie didn't have a TD.  I think maybe you're thinking of the Greg Lewis TD catch (deep pass down the middle)?  Anyway, I can thankfully say that we Eagles fans have seen the end of Fred-Ex in Eagles green.  Good riddance.  Hopefully Pinkston will be shown the door too.  Pinky couldn't play in the second half because he had cramps? My God, take a Pamprin and stop your complaining.  Didn't you see that the WR on the other side of the field had a broken leg with two screws in it and you couldn't keep him off the field.  Can you imagine a more ill-suited pair of players?  Pinky has talent, but no heart.  Freddie has heart, but no talent.  I think if we combined the two players we'd end up with a heartless player with no talent instead of the converse.


Hilarious but true commentary there Philster. :)
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by KillerKingSting on Feb 8th, 2005, 9:20am

on 02/07/05 at 18:41:57, DirkDiggler wrote:
McNabb continuing to show he can not throw the friggin football,


Whats up with that? I saw the same QB you saw and couldn't friggin BEElieve it.
And why didn't he try and run a little more as well? ?.?.?

I have to agree with what someone said in that, this was one of the most boring "close-game" superbowls I've seen. :(

And much credit - once again - and as MUCH as I hate to admit it - also should BEE given to the Patsie's defense for keeping McNabb off balance.

As Philly pointed out - Rodney Harrison should've gotten MVP. [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 8th, 2005, 6:32pm
Starting to look ahead, the Eagles have the 3rd best strength of schedule for next year.  Their opponents in 2005 have a .453 winning percentage.  The Rams have the best with a .445 winning percentage.  ( I guess that is what playing in the NFC and NFC west gets you.)
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Feb 9th, 2005, 8:28am

on 02/08/05 at 18:32:09, DirkDiggler wrote:
Starting to look ahead, the Eagles have the 3rd best strength of schedule for next year.  Their opponents in 2005 have a .453 winning percentage.  The Rams have the best with a .445 winning percentage.  ( I guess that is what playing in the NFC and NFC west gets you.)


Not to mention all the draft picks the Eagles have.  They have all of their own PLUS Miami's second rounder (an early pick), KC's third rounder, and Washington's fifth rounder.  Then they'll probably get some compensatory picks for losing Staley, Vincent, Taylor, and Emmons to FA last season.
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by KillerKingSting on Feb 9th, 2005, 11:00am
Its WAY too early to begin talking about strength of schedule in regards to a team's success for next year IMO. Free Agency, Injuries, Coaching changes and Rookies are just SOME of the factors that could affect the potential of a team as to whether or not they may pose a "threat" to anyone else regarding winning percentage.

I would still like to see T.O. @ full speed in a superbowl though so, I wouldn't MIND  the IGGLES making it again.

But only to LOSE to the Dolphins?

Come on! ;) :D

Hive Five Babe-Bee!
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by DirkDiggler on Feb 9th, 2005, 5:03pm

on 02/09/05 at 11:00:53, KillerKingSting wrote:
Its WAY too early to begin talking about strength of schedule in regards to a team's success for next year IMO. Free Agency, Injuries, Coaching changes and Rookies are just SOME of the factors that could affect the potential of a team as to whether or not they may pose a "threat" to anyone else regarding winning percentage.

I would still like to see T.O. @ full speed in a superbowl though so, I wouldn't MIND  the IGGLES making it again.

But only to LOSE to the Dolphins?

Come on! ;) :D

Hive Five Babe-Bee!


Yea, it is too early for strength of schedule, but, either way they do get to play the NFC East teams twice.  That is a nice schedule....  I am trying to find a bright spot to look ahead to instead of being so bitter about the pathetic Superbowl performance.  So sad.....

Lose to the Dolphins?  HAHAHAHA!!!  BUT as the commercial says.....everyones team is undefeated at this point!

As far as Philly's post, the Eagles are primed for a nice draft.  I am not sure if they will use the picks to move up, or just draft wisely to get some depth at positions like they did with Brown and Sheppard.  

Philly--  Do you know what the prognosis for Jamaal Green is?  They moved up to get him a few years ago and he has been injured ever since.  What about Shawn Andrews.  Is he going to be penciled in as the starter with Mayberry likely going bye-bye?
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Feb 9th, 2005, 10:18pm

on 02/09/05 at 17:03:03, DirkDiggler wrote:
Philly--  Do you know what the prognosis for Jamaal Green is?  They moved up to get him a few years ago and he has been injured ever since.  What about Shawn Andrews.  Is he going to be penciled in as the starter with Mayberry likely going bye-bye?

Actually, they moved up to grab Jerome McDougle, not Jamaal Green.  If I recall correctly, Green was a mid-round pick after not even being a starter as a senior at Miami U.  Anyway, both Green and McDougle will be around in 2005.  I'd look for McDougle to start to push Burgess for a starting position, while Green will stick around as a reserve.

I need to get some verification on Eagles free agents.  Some places list Tra Thomas as a UFA, while others don't.  (He signed a deal in 2000 that ran through 2008, but I've read that he is able to void the deal this off-season...?)  If Thomas is a UFA, he'll probably walk and the Eagles will draft an OL early.  Andrews is a stud and can play either RT or OG.  He'll be a starter at one of those positions next year.  (Runyan is a UFA after the 2005 season, so look for the Eagles to keep drafting O-linemen... even though this is a terrible year for them.)
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by KillerKingSting on Feb 10th, 2005, 12:49am
What about the rumor of Philly going for Shaun Alexander during the FA period? Is that already squashed?
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by StegRock on Feb 10th, 2005, 4:05pm

on 02/08/05 at 08:55:00, Philly wrote:
Interesting developments regarding the Eagles clock management at the end of the game...

While Andy Reid is taking much of the blame for not running the no-huddle offense at the end of the game, it appears he may have tried.  Reid said, following the game, that they were not able to run the no-huddle.  Last night, Hank Fraley and Jon Runyan were being interviewed and they indicated that Donovan McNabb was running on empty at the end of the game.  He had trouble catching his breath and nearly puked a couple times in the huddle (remember the Jacksonville game a couple years ago where he left it all on the field - literally - while trying to mount a 4th quarter comeback?).  Fraley said that at one point, McNabb couldn't even get the playcall out.  He mumbled something that they somewhat recognized and Freddie Mitchell had to call the play for him (probably the one catch Freddie had).  So, I admit, if this is the case, I may have been a bit too harsh on the coach.


Donovan's NOT "getting it"...

Have any of you guys seen the short interview with McNabb in Hawaii on ESPN?  I understand the "high-road" he is trying to take, but, in the process, he is missing and not appreciating another "high-road" Fraley was trying to take.  In the interview, McNabb just commented on how he was distressed by what Fraley said.  McNabb said that it takes away from the actual developments and excitement of the game (or something to that effect).  I get that he wants to take the "no excuses, left nothing on the field" stance, but all Fraley was trying to do was get his teammate's and coach's backs and trying to deflect all the blame (that was being directed their way).  Not to mention, I would be utterly shocked if there weren't at least some consistency with the facts in Fraley's account.  This is the implication of what McNabb said, though.  Again, I understand McNabb's sentiments, but I would have liked to see him be more generous and perhaps even thankful for what Fraley was trying to do, at least in part (i.e. I don't think he was doing it just for the sake of reporting the news; actually, I don't think he was doing it for that purposeless reason at all).
Title: Re: The Eagles are now primed to win the Super Bow
Post by Philly on Feb 10th, 2005, 4:26pm
The problem is that Donovan probably only heard excerpts or a paraphrase of what Hank Fraley and Jon Runyan were saying on a local sports show Monday night.  Remember, Donovan went right from Jacksonville to Hawaii.  He hasn't seen Andy Reid or Fraley/Runyan since the game.

Andy Reid clearly tried to cover for McNabb right after the game by saying that he wasn't going to talk about the end of the game.  Then Fraley was trying to deflect the blame from McNabb (and his late INT) by explaining that McNabb was a warrior who was giving 110% or more out there.

Now it's a huge issue (especially in Philly) because Donovan is denying everything.  (I'd say he's lying, but he did answer all of the questions Adam Schefter asked him truthfully - the questions weren't pointed enough.)  If Andy Reid had come out and just told the truth from the beginning, or at least taken the blame for the end of the game himself, the issue is a non-issue.


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