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(Message started by: DOLFAN on Aug 18^th, 2009, 10:09pm)

Title: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 18^th, 2009, 10:09pm

OK, so Favre is on the block. He has just signed a 2 year deal. Nitpick if ya want, who cares.

I am looking at all offers. I have had conversations/emails with a few other owners about him. I am looking to get a strong #2 WR, or I could include a young player/pick(s) for a #1 WR.

Call or email.

Hey I got lucky on this one guys, what can I say...we didn't draft him.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DB on Aug 19^th, 2009, 10:00am

I always knew Farve would come back. Hopefully, he will just hand off to Peterson. But enjoy, Joe.

I almost took him at 9.10 but figured he would come back during the season, not before. In the end, I took Kitna just in case something happens to Romo in the preseaon.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Aug 19^th, 2009, 10:46am

on 08/19/09 at 10:00:13, DB wrote:

I almost took him at 9.10 but figured he would come back during the season, not before.

That's exactly what I thought... I almost took him over Darrius Hayward-Bey with my second-to-last 7.09 pick. [smiley=shootmyself.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Aug 19^th, 2009, 11:35am

I was thinking the same thhing. I figured week 3-4 or something like that when he signed.

That's fine though. I'm glad to soon have him on my team. I'll hope for 22-25 Tds and 17 picks for 3500 yds.

I'll take it as my #2.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Aug 19^th, 2009, 12:45pm

I think Farve will be toast before week 9 begins. They have already declared he has a rotator cuff issue.

As a Jet, he threw for 3500 yards, 22 TDs, and 22 INT.

I think Minnesota is less pass happy than the Jets, thus even IF he played the whole season, his totals will be down.

Definitely a great bargin for you.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by Art Vandalay on Aug 19^th, 2009, 5:44pm

LONG LIVE SAGE!!!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Sep 28^th, 2009, 2:13am

Favre, (Cassell/Croyle) combo, and Henne are available.

I am looking for a solid/reliable producing RB. I will also probably need do a multi player thing, but my "filler guys" are potential so please don't ask for Boldin, he is my only steady WR.

I am not looking for draft picks believe it or not, (players need to be the main thing), but would consider it...getting or giving, but I would still mainly want a player.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Sep 28^th, 2009, 8:52am

I will throw in my left testicle as part of the deal. Good luck joe

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Sep 28^th, 2009, 7:14pm

Danny,
Thanks for the input, but kindly mind your own peice of shit team and let me deal with mine.

If I want your input I'll beat it out of your team the next time we play. You got me the first time, but please start taking your place in the pecking order and planning for next year's draft with the 2nd pick overall.

Sorry, maybe this should have been in the trash talk thread.

Seriously though Feder, I do like the Shaub deal. You will be a stud for years, all bullshit aside. I tried to trade for him vefore the season started, but I didn't have anybody good to offer....wow, what a difference 3 weeks makes huh? Now I have at least 2-4 decent players instead of none.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 4^th, 2009, 11:50am

I am still looking to improve my team.

I would like to trade some combo of players to upgrade my RB position; If you would like to aquire some youth with great upside, or vet coming off injury and getting back into his grove, let me know.

Here are the guys available:
RB: Mendenhall, LT2, Donald Brown, Tashard Choice
WR: Percy Harvin, Earl Bennett, Henderson, Ted Ginn, Pierre Garcon.
Some of these guys are about to explode, get them while they are still cheap, if you want good value.

I am looking for guys a bit more along than my young guys. It doesn't have to be a deal today, but maybe this upcoming week. I know this is a really late post today.
I'm not looking for picks. A player combo could include a pro spot, I would like to have another one for next year. I would also look at an upgrade to my DEF position.

Feder, I do not want Mcnabb. I am fine at QB.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Oct 8^th, 2009, 2:45pm

Looking to move either up, down or out from the #3 hole in free-agency this week...

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Oct 8^th, 2009, 4:58pm

Joe, in my opinion you are not fine anywhere, you are a loser, a mush and cant win in this league! I know, it is killing you that i beat your ass with my shitty team. By the way, that was without McNabb..

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 20^th, 2009, 1:00am

I am still looking to deal LT2, Tashard Choice, and Mendenhall(he is a starter for me.)

I would like to do a combo deal with one of my young WRS to improve at RB if possible.
I also would think about draft picks or pro spots.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 29^th, 2009, 3:23pm

It appears that the BYE WEEKS have bitten me as well. I only have 1 QB this week. I am looking for a 1 week filler. If ya have a filler guy email me what you would want for him.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 29^th, 2009, 5:17pm

I have a bye week filler QB. Best offer for Fitz, Bulger,2nd overall F/A pick..... or we can talk bigger deal.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Oct 30^th, 2009, 4:28pm

So, Stevo, where are we in the "bidding war" for the great Ryan Fitzpatrick??? ;)

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 30^th, 2009, 5:01pm

on 10/30/09 at 16:28:28, StegRock wrote:

So, Stevo, where are we in the "bidding war" for the great Ryan Fitzpatrick??? ;)

Haven't even really received an offer that I would consider yet. I called you twice.......

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Oct 30^th, 2009, 5:09pm

Steve, that doesn't answer the question... If we are going to have an open bidding situation, it's not really fair to make the bidders "blind-bid". No one at an auction would agree to that. Right now, a) do you have deals on the table for either Fitzpatrick or Bulger straight across? If so, b) what is the best deal you have on the table in your mind for either of them, respectively?

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 30^th, 2009, 8:12pm

on 10/30/09 at 17:09:07, StegRock wrote:

I thought I did answer. I do not have an offer.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Oct 30^th, 2009, 10:23pm

Alright, then, Steve, since no bids have yet been made and no minimum requirement was set, I will commence the bidding... with an offer of my 1st round free-agent pick this week for Ryan Fitzpatrick or Marc Bulger (you sold me with your rhetoric on Fitzpatrick and the likely QB controversy in Buffalo). ;) The response is...??? [smiley=ontheclock.gif] Let's hammer this out... [smiley=hammer.gif] ... ;)

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Oct 31^st, 2009, 1:48am

I offered him Lendale White and Garcon for Fitzy and his 1st round F/A pick. He said no.

So I will offer Lendale White straight up for Fitzy.

Or

I will trade Lendale White for a 3rd rounder.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Oct 31^st, 2009, 8:05am

on 10/31/09 at 01:48:20, DOLFAN wrote:

I offered him Lendale White and Garcon for Fitzy and his 1st round F/A pick. He said no.

So I will offer Lendale White straight up for Fitzy.

Or

I will trade Lendale White for a 3rd rounder.

In other words, if anyone wants Lendale White, you can have him for a 3rd rounder.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Oct 31^st, 2009, 1:09pm

on 10/31/09 at 08:05:32, DirkDiggler wrote:

In other words, if anyone wants Lendale White, you can have him for a 3rd rounder.

[smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

I'm sure droves are racing to get that done... ;)

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 1^st, 2009, 2:16pm

on 10/31/09 at 01:48:20, DOLFAN wrote:

I will trade Lendale White for a 3rd rounder.

Frankenstein lives on... In the spirit of Halloween, [smiley=pumpkin.gif] Joe works his [smiley=wizard.gif] "magic"... and, I'm sure, feels justified and now yet again emboldened to keep it up despite ALL of OUR bashing him for such unsavory trading tactics behind his back ALL the time... [smiley=gimmeabreak.gif] Way to go, [smiley=fish.gif]man! I just hope LenDale works out for you BIG time... [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] Though, I bet you could have had him for free off the waiver-wire in a week or so... :-/

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Nov 1^st, 2009, 2:43pm

Joe openly states in the post above that he will trade him for a 3rd rounder, yet gets a PRO spot for him? And knowing Joe, you know that was what he HOPED he would get. What the fuck?

My gift to Hahn is not starting a 3rd WR. I should of looked at the byes. Friggin 4 of my players on a BYE. I never even looked. DOH!! [smiley=doh.gif] [smiley=dunce.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DB on Nov 1^st, 2009, 8:25pm

So let me get this straight .... Greg Jennings, Hasselbeck, Michael Bush and McFadden for Ryan Grant, Jason Witten and Todd Collins. ?.?.?

Interesting. At first I thought it must be a mistake (it seemed to favor Stegeman by a lot). But upon reflection, I guess Hasselbeck is done, Bush is garbage and McFadden has not lived up to anything and Grant and Witten are pretty consistent. But Jennings is the real deal in my opinion. I know he is not having a great year, but great young receivers are hard to find. I would not have given up Jennings ... but that is just my opinion. I know that I will be kicking myself for years for given up Crabtree.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 1^st, 2009, 11:32pm

on 11/01/09 at 14:16:59, StegRock wrote:

I just hope LenDale works out for you BIG time... [smiley=fingerscrossed.gif] Though, I bet you could have had him for free off the waiver-wire in a week or so... :-/

I think he may work out better than the Fitzpatrick deal. He didn't have a 3rd or even a 4th rounder.

You should be talking after that royal fucking you gave Mark in that Witten deal. Mark is either getting Desperate or losing his mind.
DB you are correct about Witten and his consistancy....getting worse that is. He has 1 TD all year long. I think maybe this deal was payback for the 12 first rounders Hahn has screwed Steg out of for some many years. That's the only way I can get my head around this trade. After seeing this deal I see why Mark said what he said about the Boldin/Witten thing Steg offered me. It makes sense to him I guess. Maybe Todd Collins was the "icing" on the cake as it were. without him...Mark would be really screwed!!!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 2:03am

Wow... The haters (who couldn't cut a straight-up big deal for the life of them, not that DB needs to at this point in his team's history mind you) abound... Hasselbeck done... Uhhhh,... okay... Bush, I'm admittedly luke-warm on at best, BUT McFadden is FAR from a bust at this still early point in his career with a lousy team. He'll get his "real" chance eventually, whether or not it comes together in Oakland. As for the Collins/Johnson part of the deal, that was just to make sure the deal was evened out and nothing was forgotten that could fuck it up. Far as I can tell, DB is kaliedoscopic these days, but he's earned such a vantage point (it's a little hard to trash-talk his players at the moment, though I suppose I could make a fairly strong argument for saying that Steve Smith is as "done" as Matt Hasselbeck). Joe is high as usual. That said, the split in "opinion" just goes to show the end-of-the-day evenness of the deal. Joe just wishes he could make such a deal and not his usually piddly-ass, semi-underhanded shit with Trout.

As for the Fitzpatrick deal, I will admit that I walked away from that a very unhappy customer. I showed my desperation with that deal. I didn't feel good about it when I made it. I felt the whole time like I was bidding against air and getting taken advantage of... for the sake of getting just a little bit more. [READ... IMPORTANT parenthetical... It's funny how that works... Now, don't get me wrong here... If you can get that deal you perceive to be great, a "rip-off" (like the one I almost gave to, nay, gift-wrapped for Steve early in the week, which it is completely undertstandable for him to want to jump on; after all, I was offering it, Grant and Witten for Bulger, Fitzpatrick and Reggie Bush [smiley=yikes.gif] [smiley=shootmyself.gif]), not that there isn't a similar consequence to the one I am going to tease out here, that's part of the game. We're big boys... But, with these piddly-shit deals that really aren't the "difference makers" (I think the proof is in the pudding on that), I don't get the invitation to ill will. If I had made the deal for a 4th-rounder, I would be disappointed but content. Instead, I walk away with a bad taste in my mouth that. In the bigger picture of (possibly) cutting (bigger, more meaningful) deals in the future, is it, having the guy walk away feeling like he's been had, really worth the difference between a 4th and 3rd round pick... or, for that matter, pulling a fast one, quite literally, on a guy so as to upgrade from a 3rd-rounder to a protection spot? And, note, the difference between this and the above example has ALL or at least A LOT to do with who is doing the offering/being forced to make the offer, i.e., I was freely offering Steve that insane BS above, so that, if I did it, would have been on me.] We all know, Fitzpatrick has his value limits, which could last, best case scenario, until the end of the season. Now we know it's going to be less than that. I wouldn't have even considered making a deal for Fitzpatrick in my wildest dreams had I not been in the pickle I was in this past week, and I am going to go 0-2 anyway.

So, bringing this around full circle, taking Joe's and what, when I talked to him at least, was Steve's position on my deal with Mark this week, it's not that I got the "better deal". That's not even the right evaluative motif! Rather, is it no wonder he and I so frequently cut deals because the good will we have established over the years, some deals going his way, some mine, but very rarely a deal made with an eye towards exploiting a situation, and never to do so over piddly shit? I made some deals with Mark going back in time where I, knowing that my team was getting crotchety [smiley=wiseman.gif] [I started making these handful of "questionable" trades with him the year after I won my last championship, during which I gave up an injured, but awesome Steve Smith and some for Brian "hold me over for a month at the end of the season and get me to this championship" Griese, another trade, looking back, that kind of makes me queasy in this way I am speaking here], was trying something, experimenting if you will, and at the same time putting Mark in a position to pursue his passion, the draft. Maybe I was giving up a bit much in hindsight, BUT a) it wasn't about getting the proverbial "better deal"; it was about giving-and-taking based on relative styles of playing the game, and b) I was asking for it, in any event. THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, Mark acquired in 2005 my 1st-rounders through 2010 and just a little later my 2011, BUT I can't get ONE soul, including one notable soul so sure Mark has gotten the "better deals", to give me shit for my 2012. At the very least, that smells of TENDENTIOUSNESS. But, I digress... So, yes, at this point perhaps Mark is a bit softened in his approach to me, but don't think that is so much due to the fact that he's gotten the "better deal" as it is that I've worked with him in a way that accords with his style of play because, Lord knows, I've gotten the "better deal" many times before. A great example of this is the "Rod Smith" deal he and I made. In my heart, I don't appreciate Mark's having done that deal with me because I got the "better deal", which I surely did (Albert Connell when he went to the Saints and disappeared never to return for Smith), but, rather, because he was accommodating my creative style of enjoying the hobby (Rod was the last guy I needed for my 1999-2000 BLACKSmiths). Incidentally, Trout also made this kind of deal with me a number of years ago (he gave me Isaac Bruce for Jerry Rice) and I've never forgotten and it inclines me to making nothing big-big, but small deals that help him out. Again, for the umpteenth time, it's not about getting the "better deal", especially when it comes to the piddly stuff. It is more so, I have found (in life), doing the, quite literally, little things that contribute to establishing good will.

Milking a draft pick one round higher just because you can, not because of true objective value but because of the pickle the other guy is in, doesn't serve those ends, and, surely, getting a protection spot when you've been advertising a price of a 3rd-rounder doesn't. That's all I'm saying. Of course, you can do it. It's not against the rules. It's "a style". But, when the rules/the law is your only moral arbiter,... let's just say it's not a good sign. Your ethics are based on the lowest common denominator. Law is superfluous to the truly ethically-minded. That's why it can never be "the answer" to the question of meliorism. But, I digress... :-/ If that's your style, dispersing nuggets of bad will, just know that it comes with a price, a corresponding mode of ill treatment that should not evoke your surprise or dismay.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 6:37am

Quote:

But, I digress... If that's your style, dispersing nuggets of bad will, just know that it comes with a price, a corresponding mode of ill treatment that should not evoke your surprise or dismay.]

[smiley=yes.gif]

Joe- In all honesty, do not be surprised when people do not answer calls or not respond to e-mails. You know in your heart of hearts it was a BS deal. Even if he did not have a 3rd or 4th rounder, why not"throw back a draft pick" that you are infamous for?? IE.... give him a 3rd or 4th round pick back.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DB on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 9:12am

I don't really have the attention span to read such extensive posts, but I did see something about me, Steve Smith and kaleidoscopes. [smiley=discoball.gif]

So if you are offering me Greg Jennings (by the way, the point of my post was that you ripped Mark off by getting G. Jennings, but just not as bad as I initially thought) for Steve Smith and my kid's kaleidoscope, consider it a done deal. Smith scored this week and the kaleidoscope has Thomas the Train on the outside.

Oh and by "experimenting if you will", Steve, do you mean to say that you intentionally gave away a top team at that time to see how quick and easily you could rebuild a team?

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 12:07pm

First off, D-Quave, you NEED to sit with a cup of jo and enjoy the whole post in its entirety... It's rich... if you know what I mean... With that said...

on 11/02/09 at 09:12:17, DB wrote:

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=hellyeafunny.gif] [smiley=LMFAO.gif] [smiley=sinister.gif] [smiley=rollinwithlaughter.gif]

That shit was fuckin' HYSTERICAL!!!

Quote:

Oh and by "experimenting if you will", Steve, do you mean to say that you intentionally gave away a top team at that time to see how quick and easily you could rebuild a team?

Yes and no,... but not exactly per your question, D... I did think that,... though I had just won a championship, I was very fortunate to have done so, i.e. I didn't think I had, relatively speaking of course, close to the best team on paper, at least moving forward, and, moreover, it was an aging one,... it was time to do some jettisoning, and I did think,... I think I said to many of you,... it would likely be three years until I am competitive again, which has panned out to be the case. It was kind of a personal challenge to build the team back up from virtual dust in a calculated fashion, instead of the "inevitable" way teams decline like DB's in the late 90's, Trout's, Feder's, etc., etc. But, I did not decide to do it sheerly out of thin air. The timing seemed right. It seemed like I was in for a bit of a nose dive, and I was just going for an "in control" nose dive instead of an "out of control" one, which I thought would minimize the damage in the long run, and I think I might (have) end(ed) up being right, i.e., it took about a decade for DB to get back into it, and we'll see about Trout and Feder, but it doesn't look good. Ultimately, it will have taken me about three or four years to be back in the thick of it (this past fuckin' week aside). On the other hand, if you recall, I acquired a bunch of first-rounders that first year... I think, including mine, I ended up holding four (or five or the first pick of the second round) in all... It's the year I took Benson, Smith, Edwards, Williamson and Mike Williams,... not one of whom panned out within their first two years... or ever, which has surely hindered my comeback. So, in any event, I was experimenting with the draft in a Mark Hahn style. That's really where the explicit experimenting was, per se. The tearing down of my team was not so much an experiment as I, then, thought it was "time".

P.S. (Has anyone seen Trout's new team name, by the way???) [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 1:14pm

on 11/01/09 at 23:32:17, DOLFAN wrote:

That's the only way I can get my head around this trade.

For some reason, I just can't get past this comment without laughing. I am trying to picture the determined look of concentration on Joe's face as he "tries to get his head around this trade".

Here's something to get your head around - your thick skull. If I had made the same offer to you, I would have been lucky to get Tomlinson and DB's 2010 8th round pick (acquired through the trade of your 2011 7th round & 9th round in exchange for Frank's 2012 9th, via your 6th rounder and 14th wk, 2nd round free agent deal).

And don't come back posting that you would have thrown in Crapshard Choice. Although I could see you "dangling" Vernon Davis or John Carney.

p.p.s. - seen it and will be offering a trade for it soon enough...

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by T-Rave on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 3:18pm

Just my two cents here, boys -- everyone else is putting in theirs . . .

My first reaction was shock -- I thought Steg had caught Mark on a bad day. Hasselbeck is a huge upgrade from Collins and/or Johnson, Jennings is a huge upgrade from Witten, and the Bush/McFadden combo, while at least one step down from Ryan Grant, is still full of potential. Objectively speaking, it seems that Steg got the better end -- depending on one's valuing of players, Steg's end is better at least by a little and quite possibly by a lot. I still think that's true.

But we're missing the important point here, guys, or at least it seems that we are. Trades have two levels: objective and subjective. That is, there is the objective trade value and the subjective trade value. The subjective trade value is what the trade does for MY team: is my team better after the trade than before? That's the important question. It's clear to me that for both Steg and Mark, their teams are quite a bit better after this trade than before. Just look at their rosters -- Mark gives up a good receiver, but he still has 3 top-25 receivers, plus a couple of up-and-coming receivers; Mark gives up Hasselbeck, but he has no need for him since he has Cutler, Warner, and Stafford; Mark gives up Bush/McFadden, but he gets a top-flight running back. So really, Mark's team is better now than it was before. He gives up players he doesn't need to get players he does, even if the objective value doesn't equate. Steg certainly is better now than before: he gives up a top running back to fill a GIGANTIC hole at quarterback and to get a high level receiver to aid a roster that really needed one, and he still gets back a running back tandem with lots of potential.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 4:17pm

In reagrds to Trout's new team name:

Wow how original. Well Trout and Steg it looks like someone finally gets to use that name, although I certainly think it does not fit. I have a better name for his team that truly fits:

"THE PARSONS REJECTS" !!!!

That would fit much better, ROFLM(FUCKING)AO

Now...That shit is fuckin' HYSTERICAL!!!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA. Shit guys , all of you all know my name for his team is much fuckin' better. When you stop laughing, get up off the floor, from falling out of your chair, send me an email about it!!!!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 4:19pm

LT2 is still available for trade. For all you team ready to "make a run" send me an offer. I am still looking to trade him, even though he is a bit old.

Feder...need not apply. Although you sure could use him.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 8:05pm

At least im not the only one who cant stand dealing with you!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 2^nd, 2009, 10:28pm

Mini-me, you have no room to talk. You have been trying to trade your loser "STUD" WRs for 3 weeks now for a RB that has a pulse. Yet you still have not done a deal...what does that say about you???

Hell Warner even used me to squeeze even more blood from the turnip...STEG...for Fitzpatrick.
Oh yeah, how's that kid Mike Sims-Walker doing??? 2-9 yds this week, WHAT A STUD!!!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Nov 3^rd, 2009, 8:21am

I have asked you 3 times for a side bet of 500 that i place better then you with no response, You even have a game lead or so? All talk you are and any of my 6 rc is better then your #1 including Dallas clark. Crabtree and Nicks is jsut getting ready for next year. Enough with your shit talking, seriously, nobody in the leaugue can deal with you. How the fuck are you still married, your wife has to be either def or blind,one of the two living with you!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DB on Nov 3^rd, 2009, 10:45am

Setting aside the fact that $500 is a ridiculous amount to bet and the fact that Joe does not seem like the gambling type, wouldn't it make more sense for you guys to bet (if you are going to) based on how well you do in 2012 or something. I know the commish frowns on this stuff and I am just saying .... if both of you are rebuilding as you say, shouldn't you bet about a certain future year to see who is the better rebuilder .... that way you guys can have this online bickering forever.... [smiley=loser.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 4^th, 2009, 12:12am

I want to preface that I derive no enjoyment from,... nay,... it causes me great pain to have to come to the defense of Joe here, but that is where you have forced me Danny. Moreover, this all distracts us from the discussion of the other really shitty things that happened here this week, most notably the slight of hand Joe pulled on Trout this past week (though, as you will see, I am going too weave that back in here). This silly "put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is" betting talk only serves to obfuscate matters... twice. It a) sidesteps the matter at hand (in a mentally lazy way, might I add, by avoiding the matter; I mean, Danny, you evidently don't even read Joe's posts) and replaces it with something else and, worse yet, b) brings in another factor TOTALLY UNRELATED to the substance of either the original matter or the new one being bet on, that is people's finances. I hate the whole betting culture. It's ultimately a losing proposition that just pulls people away from reality, moreover, in a way that potentially justifies from time to time the very evading of reality.

But, I digress... I kind of have an idea as to your financial picture, Danny. I don't know Joe's, but I'll just fall on the sword and put myself in Joe's shoes regarding the bet. Not all of us, Danny, have $500 off on the side to put up for a bet. I live month-to-month and $500 is almost my month's rent. So, if it were I in this "debate", to which you never respond in a substantive, meaningful, responsive, engaging and sequitur way, with you, I wouldn't be able to take your bet just based on finances, which, again, have NOTHING TO DO with a) what the bet is about and, more importantly, b) the discussion at hand, which the proposal of the bet is your way of evading. The bet just invites more layers of bullshit. In any event, my not taking your bet would not at all be about "my not putting my money where my mouth is", no less be indicative of your being in the right in our argument. Moreover, to the degree that $500 is just disposable cash to you, what's the point? I mean, if you have $500 to basically just blow, which I suspect to be (at least, relatively speaking, close to) the case, how is it that, so to speak, YOU are putting your money where your mouth is? If it's all chump change for you, adding money then in no real way, shape or form ups the ante in the way a bet is, per your very own words, precisely supposed to do. So, at the end of the day, from your side, bringing money into the picture adds absolutely nothing but another layer of bullshit to the equation. It's, on your end, as if it were just a gentlemen's bet for fun. The money means nothing.

Meanwhile, in an evidently epiphanous moment, Joe, to his credit, makes a fairly subtle and very salient point here vis-a-vis his discussion with you, Danny...

on 11/02/09 at 22:28:35, DOLFAN wrote:

Hell Warner even used me to squeeze even more blood from the turnip...STEG...for Fitzpatrick.

He is saying that a deal he had on the table was good enough to be used as a bargaining chip for another owner (and, very regretfully, I must admit, against me). It's one of those piddly shit deals (and I hate what was done to me this past week), but his point cannot just be dismissed. It is true that people do not like dealing with Joe, but it's not like people have been coming in droves to deal with you, either, Danny, despite all your pleas.

Now, yes, you and I did cut a deal Week 2 that wasn't just piddly: Nicks for Cadillac. But, you know, that was cut strictly because (mainly for you) the stars of value aligned... I mean, you really liked Nicks and were lukewarm on Williams. (I was more so doing sculpting, but) I kind of liked Williams more than Nicks. So, voila, the conditions for a deal were met: you valued the guy on your roster less than the guy on mine, and I, vice-versa. It seems like that is the only way trades get done anymore, though. The metaphor for the pervasive approach to trades in the GBRFL anymore is that of the miser's wallet, not the sculptor's chisel. The former takes it to be the case that value is the bottom line and would rather hold on to a stable of, say, six top running backs while his quarterbacks are just okay and his receivers below average. The latter takes it to be the case that trading is a way of sculpting his team, positionally, forward-lookingly, otherwise creatively and, then, also value-wise, willing to potentially sacrifice that latter aspect for the sake of the other factors which take priority. Travis got the trade between Mark and me right. Mark traded me a handful of quality players, not garbage, but none of whom were (regular) starters for him, for a semi-stud at the key position in the GBRFL and, in any event, uncontested tailback who will become a regular starter for him, that is Ryan Grant, along with a guy at a position that is increasingly emerging in relevance in the GBRFL and who, entering 2009, was supposed to be the shit and still has great upswing at said position, tight-end Jason Witten. I got a couple starting-caliber players which I "desperately" (but was not taken advantage of) needed and a couple fairly good future guys at the key position of tailback, i.e., not a bunch of Parsonian junk.

But, I digress... By way of various conversations I have had, I know the infrequency, encroaching on impossibility, of making trades (of significance) in the league is on people's minds. We have searched left and right for reasons, looking at the system, assessing our owners, even blaming it on me and the difficult trading position I put myself in when I liquidated my team in 2004-2005. At the end of the day, I think it more so has to do with this new philosophy of trading which has taken over the league. I know this is not directly related, but I remember a time when nothing beyond a 2nd-rounder was ever traded and even that was not commonplace. Now, instead of cutting an overall well-sculpted deal that fulfills the needs of both teams, we find ourselves stifled by the hair-splitting minutiae of trying, by way of a "calculus" involving 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and even 7th round draft picks, to "even out" the value of an otherwise "bigger picture" fair deal. THAT is where the trade-stifling culprit lies, and, insofar as this is a matter about which we are concerned, it is on the cause of the aforementioned that we have to focus our examination.

But, this is all digression!

...

IN ANY EVENT, to Danny, here's what I suggest regarding your "bet"... If you are hell-bent on offering a bet, Danny, make it for players!!! If you win, you get, say, Mendenhall for, say, Parker; if Joe wins, he gets, say, Crabtree and Nicks for, say, Avery and Moore. Now, something like that would be putting your balls on the line, moreover, in a way that is entirely relevant to the situation here, not all this big-shot money talk.

In closing, to everybody else, since I KNOW Danny is likely NOT even going to make an attempt at reading and trying to understand this post, I would appreciate it if each of you (who do) would chime in indicating a) that you UNDERSTOOD IT, and b) whether or not you agree with my philosophy of betting as it pertains here to Danny and the alternative proposal of a non-monetary bet that I suggested.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Nov 4^th, 2009, 5:33am

Quote:

Hell Warner even used me to squeeze even more blood from the turnip...STEG...for Fitzpatrick.

I do love getting thrown into this. A few things that are different. First, I stated from the beginning that I was not going to trade Fitzpatrick for anything less than a 3rd rounder. I openly stated that if I did not get a 3rd rounder, I would not trade. Worse that happens is that I don't trade him and I get nothing for him. But at least another team would only have 1 QB for the week. Steg, you act like you were violated in some sort of sexual way.

I never stated I would take a 3rd and then go for a 2nd. And I don't call every week trying to trade the guys I am going to cut saying how great they are going to be.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Nov 4^th, 2009, 9:36am

I am sick and tired every week of hearing from Joe how great his team is, how he won, whos next on the chopping block ect. He "may" crack the top five. I have been in this league since the inception and he honestly have never seen anyone shit talk as much as him when he has no leg to stand on. Its like driving in a nice sports car and sleeping in it as well because you have no money! In any event, i cant stand his comments "if they were valid and he was winning i can understand", his stupid trades wasting everyones time and him as a person. The money thing was just tryiong to get him to put his money where his mouth is, that is all. Thought it would make things a little more interesting between him and I being that we are fighting for last place. So, for those who were offended f off.. STeve, the reason you are so broke becuase you have never worked being a full time student your entire life BUT when you become that professor " god help our youth", and make the big bucks i would of proposed the same deal. We could do it for a dollar for all i care. I know it goes against all principles of the league, just wanted a response from him was all, seeing how confident he would be. The bottom line is that as long as he never wins in this league " which wont happen in my lifetime" i will remain happy.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 4^th, 2009, 3:18pm

Steg, I agree with some of what you say. I understand all of and see your point.

As far as the bet with Danny...the money is not the issue. I have the money, but I made it a personal rule years ago that the only way I bet on Fantasy Football is with the league fees...which does not apply in this league or the CBFL. In my personal league the bet is the entrance fee and the winnings is the money at years end.
I have made bets with other owners, but not about where our teams finish, it's been about the Redskins going to the playoffs, and the Yankees NOT going to the playoffs. Those bets were for league entance fees only ($100), and not directly related to the league itself. The main reason was ethics/respect for the game of Fantasy Football as a hobby and enjoyment purposes. If a wager for $$$$ were involved then people...may or may not deal with a particluar owner, or with another owner....just to make certain that one person WINS the bet, and the othere does not....colusion. The above is the main reason that I will not bet with Danny, the other is that my mother taught me when I was a young child not to take advantage of less fortunate people....ie: people that can't spell and had to ride the SHORT BUS to school back in the day, due to school rules!!!

Back to the bigger point of Danny's whining/ CRYBABY ASS!!! [smiley=bawling.gif] I started the trash talking this year because there has been very little, if any going on in here this year, so I figured that I would shake things up. In this league I does not matter what is said/how it is said/ if I am involved it almost always seems to get attention. I feel like Fucking E.F. HUTTON!!!! for goodness sake. Had I known that my trash talk....now that I have a team to support it....would have offended only one person...Danny, I would have done it sooner. Otherise I thought we were all fair game.
I will say though that my trash talk predictions (for my games against other teams) this year have been 100%. I challenged Danny, Frank, and Mark, of which I won all three games. I never said that about Steg or Pak. Those 2 teams...for whatever reason...I did not have a good feeling about...and I was right. You noticed this past week I never said shit!!! I felt that I would lose...badly...and I was correct yet again.
So with all of that said since my trash talk seems to have this entire league in a fucking uproar, and some girls may get their panties all in a bunch over it, I shall cease for a while...a long while. All of you respectfully(that this pertains to) can kiss my fucking ass. I will say this though, I was having more fun in this league this year than I have had in about 5-6 years because I could finally talk some smack, and back it up!

And Danny, [smiley=dejected.gif] if you have something to say to me, call me and we can discuss it like men, [smiley=tough.gif]don't hide behind a fucking computer screen you faggot!! I would love to take your money on something other than this league. I'm willing to bet that you will never call you pussy. [smiley=lickmyass.gif]

See ya in the funny papers, and next year's draft.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DB on Nov 4^th, 2009, 5:05pm

Say it ain't so, Joe. :-X

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Nov 4^th, 2009, 10:16pm

I would rather pay you the 500 then talk to you, that is because every conversation we have every had it has been a waste of my time. If you are happy with placing 5th or so good for you, i am happy you expectations are so high for yourself, hence "loser". I still believe i will place better then you at the end, only time will tell. I am just where i want to be as far as growth with my team. I just need some rb help and ill be in good shape. We will see, and for your info we are split for the year one and one..

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by Art Vandalay on Nov 6^th, 2009, 12:46pm

Anyone can bet money. I propose a more Fantasy Football relevant "man's bet". We'll call it 3 for 3. Danny and Joe put up their top 3 picks in next year's draft. Winner gets loser's top three picks. Loser gets winner's bottom 3 picks.

Now that's gutsy in my book. Doing poorly this year will potentially cost you next year and beyond.

Show 'em or fold 'em boys.[smiley=cowboy.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by IbdFunk on Nov 6^th, 2009, 2:53pm

anyone want my top three picks next year for a rb??

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 7^th, 2009, 2:46am

Steve, generally speaking, I wouldn't lump you with Joe's ilk (although I do think you were quite a bit Parsonian with me last week)... That having been said, when you write something like this,...

on 11/04/09 at 05:33:54, DirkDiggler wrote:

Worse that happens is that I don't trade him and I get nothing for him. But at least another team would only have 1 QB for the week.

... I am left scratching my head, wondering... [smiley=uh.gif] WTF is up with that logic? [smiley=nono.gif]

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 12^th, 2009, 12:46pm

Frank check your messages.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by T-Rave on Nov 12^th, 2009, 7:40pm

I've been looking at everyone's roster trying to put together a good offer. I've made offers to a couple of people, but I haven't been able to hammer out a deal yet.

Here's the scoop: I'm looking to trade a running back and qb, and maybe a wide receiver. Nothing rink-a-dink.

Carson Palmer and Ronnie Brown (and Antonio Gates / Nate Burleson) for . . .?

If interested, email me (here or yahoo account) or post here your best offer.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 17^th, 2009, 9:15pm

I am looking to trade my 1st round F/A pick this week. Send me an offer.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 21^st, 2009, 1:50am

I am looking to deal LT2 and a wr for a better WR.

Old man is still available, although it seems his value has fallen due to his age. Maybe I will keep him until he retires. I think that he could help some team make a run this year. Just not mine.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by Drew Rosenhaus on Nov 23^rd, 2009, 12:33pm

Sorry - I've been out of the loop on things but I did want to get caught up. After reading all the posts, I see there have been some shenanigans re: lineups the last couple of weeks. I haven't had a chance to look at the lineup cards but I noticed some trades were made or being finalized.

on 11/17/09 at 21:15:17, DOLFAN wrote:

I am looking to trade my 1st round F/A pick this week. Send me an offer.

on 11/21/09 at 01:50:50, DOLFAN wrote:

I am looking to deal LT2 and a wr for a better WR.

Nevermind, already in the works.

Who ended up with Tomlinson? :-[

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 24^th, 2009, 6:43pm

The LT2 deal did not happen. I wont give him away for cheap, but no biggy.

At least he is scoring some TDs.

There are only 9 more days to make deals.

I can't wait to see what deals Steg pulls off. He always come through before the deadline to shore up his squad.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Nov 24^th, 2009, 6:50pm

With Bulger going out for a few weeks, I am looking for an insurance policy #3 QB. (Fitzpatrick, Boller,etc...)

Give me a call if you have any interest in dealing one away.

========================

Also, looking a defense with a great schedule to end the year? Both the 49ers (Jacksonville, Detriot, St Louis, Seattle) and Colts (Titans, Jags, Broncos, Jets, Bills) are available!

Remember, Thursday at kickoff is the trading deadline.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 24^th, 2009, 7:13pm

on 11/24/09 at 18:50:35, DirkDiggler wrote:

Remember, Thursday at kickoff is the trading deadline.

NEXT Thursday, that is, NOT Thanksgiving! Just clarifying and trying to avoid confusion... :)

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Nov 24^th, 2009, 8:51pm

I thought I had it correct. Thanks for clarifying it Steg.

So like I said we have 9 days:

Trading deadline is Week 13 before kickoff...
December 3rd.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Nov 24^th, 2009, 11:21pm

Well, fellas, here's the dealio... Ready, willing and able to move, especially, though not necessarily in this order: Fitzpatrick, Hasselbeck, Cadillac, Massaquoi, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Tony Gonzalez, the Steelers and/or Vikings DU's. [smiley=lickinmychops.gif] Potentially interested in anything: draft picks, protection spots, free-agent picks, players, etc. NOT looking to create a "bidding war", just looking to be as efficient as possible facing a short clock this week and next and approaching our trade deadline next week. The bidding war tends not to be the m.o. of a dude to whom splitting hairs, like over in-return draft picks or douchebag players to "even" a deal out, is by and large anathema. As long as it's reasonable, it's first come, first serve. Again, not looking to sweat yous.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Dec 1^st, 2009, 9:25am

STUD WRs and future STUD WRS are available...anyone want a starting WR send me an offer. I have 5 of the top 30 WR/TE guys. Any/all are available, Garcon I would like to hold on to, but would trade him too.

Anyways the Rookie Offensive player of the year is available. I would like to make a major deal with one of my RBs (Mendenhall, LT2, or Pierre Thomas are available...I would like to trade a RB and wr for a better RB, but will look at anything. I am ready to make a deal for the final push.
I also will deal either of my top 10 DEFs as well for the right deal. Send me an offer. I dont mind paying a bit for top 5 RB.

********UPDATE*******
Say what you will about Meachem, but this guy has 6 TDS in the last 5 games with at least 1 in each. he does not get many catches, but a great long term guy in the #1 offense for years to come. This is his 3rd year, just starting to break out. He could be a stud in the making, but we all know that Colston is still the #1 guy.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Dec 1^st, 2009, 9:23pm

OK, you guys are making me bring out the big guns huh?

BOLDIN is finally on the table. That's correct, I am so confident in my plethora of WRs that I am willing to trade BOLDIN!!!

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Dec 1^st, 2009, 11:50pm

You know, Joe, I hate to do this, but I think I'm gonna have to invoice you for these two internet ads. Mind you, ad space on "the Gridiron" usually goes for $1 per word, but, following your lead, I'll cut you a good deal...

Used Player Ad #1... "Rookie Player of the Year & MUCH, MUCH MORE"...

on 12/01/09 at 09:25:56, DOLFAN wrote:

$20

Used Player Ad #2... "The GOLDEN BOLDIN Clearance Event"...

on 12/01/09 at 21:23:32, DOLFAN wrote:

OK, you guys are making me bring out the big guns huh?

BOLDIN is finally on the table. That's correct, I am so confident in my plethora of WRs that I am willing to trade BOLDIN!!!

$15

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Dec 2^nd, 2009, 1:01am

The check is on the way!
I made this announcement because you guys always say that I only offer shit in deals.
I have had many guys sniffing around for Boldin, so I figured I would toss him out there to everyone.

I'm guessing though that I wont get a deal done and just have to kick your asses...besides DB of course...the old fashioned way...building through the draft and waivers.
I'm trying to make a push. I seem to remember some other guys doing this over the years, so I'm sorry if it takes up too much space ob the server. Next time I will condense it.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by StegRock on Dec 2^nd, 2009, 3:01am

[offtopic]First, it's a done deal... [smiley=yes.gif] CONGRATS, Dave! [smiley=bow.gif]

Second, I'm just playing with you, Joe. [smiley=joker.gif] Save the "Come on down to Parsons Auto" [smiley=cruisin.gif] sound of your posts, it's all good. [smiley=yes.gif][/offtopic]

on 11/24/09 at 23:21:39, StegRock wrote:

Second and third place remains rather wide-open, and all of the above still stands... However, I'd like to point yous in some specific directions...

A 2nd Round Draft Pick or Protection Spot could get you...
1) My 1st Round Free-agent Pick this week, the #2 overall (willingness to flip 1st round picks, depending on where you pick, could make this more affordable);
2) Either of my (better than Joe's) Defensive Units, Pittsburgh or Minnesota;
3) Maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Given the tailback situation of the Giants, big man Brandon Jacobs perhaps pulling a Christian Okoye like a number of big tailbacks tend to do and Ahmad Bradshaw with a bad injury and contract situation that might have him leaving town in 2010, I think Danny Ware is intriguing. If you are a believer, he could probably be gotten fairly cheap, perhaps as a virtual throw-in on a bigger deal.

Again, ALL my players are movable... (But, FYI, just to play this as straightforwardly as possible, not that anyone would likely want him but Brohm will probably be my cut this week.)

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Dec 2^nd, 2009, 7:45pm

Since we are advertising:

I have a plethera of defenses available relatively cheap with very favorable matchups. (49ers and Colts )

Portis, Julius Jones
Coles, Houshmanzadeh (can be had for a much more reasonable price than what Joe is requesting.)

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DOLFAN on Dec 2^nd, 2009, 10:58pm

Steve, those WRs suck bro. Sims Walker and Boldin are way better. Portis and Jones have value though.

Title: Re: 2009 REGULAR SEASON TRADE TALKS
Post by DirkDiggler on Dec 3^rd, 2009, 5:11pm

About 3 hours until the trade deadline........ :-/

Feel free to call if you want to deal.....