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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #258 on: Mar 29th, 2007, 11:56pm » |
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on Mar 29th, 2007, 11:44am, Philly wrote:I guess I'm coming around to Todd's argument as well. I mean, it was just 1.8 million years ago that glaciers covered most of New York state and Western Pennsylvania. Now look how far those sheets of ice have receded. Heck, glaciers only exist in the Arctic and Antarctic circles now!
Since I live in a town that is a mere 80 feet above sea level (with the ocean only about 30 miles away), I should probably think about putting my house up on stilts or moving to a much higher elevation. |
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So, all seriousness aside, we're either looking at the normal temperature of Earth, like it was during the days of the dinosaurs - tropical all over the place, or we're looking for that 12,000 year cycle of ice ages that last happened 12,000 years ago - the last time the CO2 levels were this high.
Al Gore and his buddies will probably find a way to juke the Kool-Aid drinkers either way. 
....WAIT!!! WESTERN Pennslyvania??? My MOM lives there!!! I have to go there to save her from the DINOSAURS!!!
Edit: WAAAAIT! I just learned that there are AT LEAST TWENTY glaciers in CALIFORNIA!!!!
So, do I have to go to California to save the RAIDERS? Do I have to wonder why the glacier on Mount Shasta is actually bulking up? And why is Greenland's ice pack getting thicker? Is this a CONSPRIACY against CALIFORNIA???
CALL MICHAEL MOORE!!!!
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #261 on: Mar 31st, 2007, 6:33pm » |
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First read the text here, then click the link:
HOUSE #1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.
HOUSE #2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #264 on: Apr 1st, 2007, 4:33pm » |
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on Mar 31st, 2007, 9:02pm, steelkings wrote:
Its funny Jeff and Cheryl. You guys are the exact opposite from Michael Moore. Yet you are exactly the same. |
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No, sk. We're the opposite of Michael Moore, period. We look at science to understand the truth, not to pervert the truth for personal gain. (As in the sun doesn't really revolve around the Earth, but at one time some people claimed that it did just for personal gain - even though they actually knew better.)
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #265 on: Apr 1st, 2007, 9:34pm » |
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on Mar 31st, 2007, 6:33pm, Callie wrote:First read the text here, then click the link:
HOUSE #1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.
HOUSE #2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.
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George Bush could live in a gingerbread house powered by sunshine and rainbows, and he'd still be the worst president in the history of this great country. Oh and his environmental record ? Yeah, a complete disaster. Tax breaks for oil companies, promotion of nuclear power plants, a real friend of the environment. Maybe his environmental record, along with all his other fuckups, is the reason he just purchased like 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay. When his approval rating finally drops to 10%, he will try to make a quick getaway out of the country to avoid getting his ass thrown into Guantanamo.
As far as global warming goes, yeah, there is no definitive answer, yes the world's temperature is increasing, and yes this coincides somewhat with the industrial age, but in the context of billions of years, it is probably pretty arrogant on the part of Al Gore to even pretend that we can say, with any measure of certainty, that modern human conduct is a direct cause.
Of course that shouldn't exonerate us from acting responsibly, and at least Gore appears to be promoting a cause he truly believes in.
So Donald Trump, what do you think ?
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #269 on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 5:16pm » |
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So here's my highly nuanced argument:
First it requires the comprehension of this simple list of key components:
 = Americans & America
 = Islamic Extremists
 = US Military Forces
 = Sad Polar bears
 = Happy Polar bears
 = Scientists
So,
here's the deal. Right now a lot of want to kill and conquer This is a fact and they say it over and over again daily in the arabic media. Now, we don't know exactly how many there are, but it's been estimated the extremist population focused on murdering those who oppose them and Islamifying the world are about 15% of the Muslim population... a population that is 1.2 billion people.... You punch the numbers that's somewhere between 100-200 million nutjobs who would prefer to see us dead or at least living in submission to them.
Now, needs oil to function and to attack the
It is true that tell us that global warming is a problem and therefore, we have many
However, if the kill us and the cannot get to work to invent NEW fuels because they will have no gas to do so, then we will not only fail to save the but will also perish.
Hence, it's all good and fine to say we need alternative fuels and that there is global warming and and that we need to do our best to safeguard the environment.
HOWEVER, the solution to getting new fuels and combating global warming presently *depends* on oil to get us there! And with trying to kill us (not because we want their oil but because they really do hate us) we have to do everything we can to continue suppling the needed fuels to our so they can kick some ass.
As long as are kickin' ass and protecting us and the able to get to work and spend the mass amounts of energy needed to help develop and refine *new* energy sources, then we might just be able to make the into , and not just by giving them pairs of sunglasses because their icecaps are melting.
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Gridiron Great
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #270 on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 8:53pm » |
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That was great, vivictus!!
And WELCOME!! 
And SK, I don't form opinions based on what Al Gore says or doesn't say. He has a history of unreliability, and I don't trust any politician on his or her word alone anyway. As for Michael Moore, he's just basically Michael Whore, based on his own past behavior. If either one of them can do something good and useful, I'm all for it. But at this point, for every scientist you can find who says one thing about global warming causes, you can find a pack of 'em who will say just the opposite. That indicates that the info available is not quite cooked just yet or is being distorted. And there is also the fact that all that yummy grant money isn't being awarded to scientists who say there is no problem. This is just a little off base, but it makes a point: I had a biology prof who told a story about the insidious red tide off the shore of New Jersey. Someone offered a great and expensive research vessel to research the problem and save us from the red tide. (Trust me, it was in all the papers.) Well, the scientists were asked if the red tide was really a deadly organism. They honestly said yes, it was. Then they snickered among themselves, since it was only lethal to a few species of marine life, and it wouldn't even come close to wiping them out or something. Most of them would just have something like the flu. Bottom line, they got the boat - and it did a lot of useful research.
But the fact is, natural cycles are one possible explanation for what is happening today. And I still don't see any human activity explanation for CO2 levels that supercede levels of CO2 level equivalents even before humans existed. We're just not as important as we think we are. Core samples and things like that. That's the best we have.
I have no problem with erring on the side of safety. I do have a problem with selfish politicians pandering and causing way more harm than good.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #271 on: Apr 2nd, 2007, 9:30pm » |
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BTW - The Two Houses thing I posted was just for fun. Here's an even better Two Houses thing that speaks to our discussion:
Two households, both alike in dignity,
In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life;
Whose misadventur'd piteous overthrows
Doth with their death bury their parents' strife.
The fearful passage of their death-mark'd love,
And the continuance of their parents' rage,
Which but their children's end naught could remove,
Is now the two hours' traffic of our stage;
The which, if you with patient ears attend,
What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.
Romeo and Juliet, opening.
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Re: G.T.K.Y.G. - Topic: Politics
« Reply #273 on: May 27th, 2007, 5:19pm » |
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Okay,... I've got to get this off my chest here on the eve of Memorial Day and the long-overdue and celebrated "weekend after" the Rosie resignation. I can't stand her, and I think the far-left, unresearched venom she spews is, at best, useless, at worst, harmful. However, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, bless her dear reasonable-minded, conservative heart (encased in that beautiful chest),  sounded like a total ditz in that shout-down with Rosie. Rosie may not be the sharpest knife in the kitchen drawer, but Mrs. Hass makes her look damn near razor sharp. Again, if lines are drawn, I stand beside Hass (not to mention that she's got "the goods" and plays for the right team), whereas, I do to Rosie what King Leonidas did to that smug messenger Xerxes sent. Yea,... I saw 300... and loved it!!! 
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