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GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« on: Jul 21st, 2005, 11:10pm » |
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The GBRFL plans to maintain a running list of the picks for their annual nine-round re-stocking draft from beginning to end here "between the 20's" on "the Gridiron". Besides the entertainment value and the value as a resource for everybody of doing this, it was a practical league purpose that inspired the idea. It allows the two GBRFLers that will be remotely participating to follow the draft pick-by-pick as it unfolds and be able to make their picks right on the thread instead of having to call them in. They also can increase their participation by making use of "the Gridiron Chatroom". In any event, we look forward to doing our thang here and invite all of our esteemed Gridironers to look on and join in the discussion. Our meeting is scheduled to start at HIGH NOON (EST) on Sunday. We'll probably commence drafting sometime between 1:30 and 2:30 after our pre-draft activities like our awards ceremony and rules discussion, the latter of which will be huge this year. So, please, drop on by and join in on the GBRFL fun this Sunday!
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Re: GBRFL to go LIVE on-line with Draft this Sunda
« Reply #2 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 2:43pm » |
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bg, I really appreciate your support for the idea and plans to be around a bit and participate. 
As for participating in discussion, in general, I don't know how that's going to manifest. Of those of us who will be in attendance, only one us, at least at one time, probably me, will be logged in.
As far as the "awards 'ceremony'", an inflated term mind you (even though the plaques, in fact, are PHAT as hell), goes, it doesn't lend itself to much of a cyber manifestation. Hell, the third place guy is not even accepting his plaque; I don't mean just that he's not attending (he's down in Miami); I mean he doesn't want his plaque.  Saves me a few bucks, but I still don't like it...  Anyway, it's going to go like this...
1 - Champ - Yours Truly, Steg 
2 - Gonzo 
3 - Plaqueless dickhead 
Not much else to say except...
On the other hand, with respect to the rules discussion, especially that hot one regarding incorporating the post-season (all the way through the Pro Bowl), the GBRFL2ers' getting on in the chatroom (or the related thread on the GBRFL board) and discussing it yourselves a bit or making well-thought-out posts (of course, only after mindfully perusing the thread on the GBRFL board and getting yourselves up to speed on this complicated issue) is something we would look at and could even affect our decision-making process.
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How I ultimately envisioned this when I was thinking it through and made the post above was that there would be a pick thread and a discussion thread (probably this one). You guys, including the two remotely located GBRFLers, could comment on or discuss the picks as the draft is going on. Those of us at the draft would participate as best as possible in the discussion, probably limitedly, on the day of the draft, but, of course, could add to the discussion later on.
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Re: GBRFL to go LIVE on-line with Draft this Sunda
« Reply #5 on: Jul 23rd, 2005, 1:02am » |
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Well, I have some bitter-sweet news... a bit sweet for our on-line onlookers and participants, however. One more of our GBRFLers, DOLFAN a.k.a. Joe Parsons, as it turns out, will not be in attendance. He will, however, be participating on-line. So, now, those of you Gridironers who will be around here on Sunday for remote participation in the GBRFL festivities will have THREE GBRFLers to hang out with on-line. Enjoy!
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By the way, another possible treat,... you (GBRFL2ers in particular) are aware who actually has early draft picks to work with for once, right?  Yours truly, whose m.o. is typically to jettison early draft picks, has gone about collecting a whopping EIGHT picks of the first 17!!!  It did cause me to dismantle my squad, especially my RB corps, and cost me Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Brian Westbrook, Brian Griese, Jimmy Smith and Rod Smith, though. ... Anyway, I'm trying to remember  if I even know how to draft in the first round, where I have three picks, one lottery pick third in the pecking order and the numbers six and seven picks. I also have three lottery picks in the second round, numbers one, two and three in the pecking order.  Suffice it to say I REALLY like this year's draft, especially its depth,... and think, after a FOURTH Championship,  that it's a great year to reLOAD  (read, NOT rebuild)!!! 
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #11 on: Jul 25th, 2005, 10:03am » |
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I could NOT be happier with how my re-LOADING draft went... I was saved from falling... no jumping headstrong into a HUGE pitfall... Here are all the bump-ups I got...
1) By way of how the lottery went, I got a stroke of luck  and with it Cedric Benson at 1.01 instead of getting the pick I was "slated" to get 1.03 with which I would have taken J.J. Arrington. Benson, contract sitch aside, is the safest pick of this year's rookie running back class, who also brings some huge upside potential to the DEEP keeper-league fantasy round-table.
2) At 1.06 I got Alex Smith rather than Maurice Clarett, who I stupidly  had my heart set on taking there, being the "i'rash'ional" (= "rash" + "irrational") Donkos  fan that I am. I (was) snapped back to reality,  thank God.  Smith is a WAY safer bet and MAJOR upgrade, moreover, in the GBRFL format and given my team's needs.
3) At 2.01 and 2.02 I had myself slated to get Mark Clayton and Ciatrick Fason. Instead, I got Troy Williamson and Mike Williams, both of whom I had slated to go in the top eight. And, yet,...
4) At 2.06 and 2.07, where I had myself reaching for Matt Jones and Adrian McPherson, I got the aforementioned Ciatrick Fason and Mark Clayton, the latter of whom rounds out my getting ALL FOUR top receiver prospects from this rookie class: Edwards, Williams, Williamson and Clayton. (Add on Reggie Brown in the 8th round and you might be inclined to say the top five.) At least two of these guys will pan out, I'm sure.
Overall, I think Steggie's future looks bright and, contrary to popular opinion, the old Stegger here may still make some noise in '05.  ... The Stegmeister thinks this so much so that he's already restarted the third-person reference thang... 
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #12 on: Jul 25th, 2005, 5:33pm » |
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on Jul 25th, 2005, 10:03am, StegRock wrote:I could NOT be happier with how my re-LOADING draft went... I was saved from falling... no jumping headstrong into a HUGE pitfall... Here are all the bump-ups I got...
1) By way of how the lottery went, I got a stroke of luck and with it Cedric Benson at 1.01 instead of getting the pick I was "slated" to get 1.03 with which I would have taken J.J. Arrington. Benson, contract sitch aside, is the safest pick of this year's rookie running back class, who also brings some huge upside potential to the DEEP keeper-league fantasy round-table.
2) At 1.06 I got Alex Smith rather than Maurice Clarett, who I stupidly had my heart set on taking there, being the "i'rash'ional" (= "rash" + "irrational") Donkos fan that I am. I (was) snapped back to reality, thank God. Smith is a WAY safer bet and MAJOR upgrade, moreover, in the GBRFL format and given my team's needs.
3) At 2.01 and 2.02 I had myself slated to get Mark Clayton and Ciatrick Fason. Instead, I got Troy Williamson and Mike Williams, both of whom I had slated to go in the top eight. And, yet,...
4) At 2.06 and 2.07, where I had myself reaching for Matt Jones and Adrian McPherson, I got the aforementioned Ciatrick Fason and Mark Clayton, the latter of whom rounds out my getting ALL FOUR top receiver prospects from this rookie class: Edwards, Williams, Williamson and Clayton. (Add on Reggie Brown in the 8th round and you might be inclined to say the top five.) At least two of these guys will pan out, I'm sure.
Overall, I think Steggie's future looks bright and, contrary to popular opinion, the old Stegger here may still make some noise in '05. ... The Stegmeister thinks this so much so that he's already restarted the third-person reference thang... |
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You did have a good draft. With so many first and second round picks, kind of hard not too.
However, I question the strategy of taking so many WRs. What the hell you going to do with them all? I can understand taking the 5 best WR in the draft. One of em, maybe two will hopefully pan out. In the meantime, you also have 3 WR that you protected. And then you have also drafted Patten and Caldwell. Too many receivers..... (but lots of trade bait!!) Speaking of which, what do you want for Reggie Brown????
And with that many receivers, that means you are carrying fewer QBs and RBs. Granted, the guys who would be on your roster would be back ups in those positions, however, they would be one injury away from being a starter....
The only other thing I would have done differently was drafted Carnel Williams instead of Benson. But time will tell on that.
But again, it was a great draft! Arguablly the top RB, 5 best WR, and the top QB.(that was a gift!) Nice to be able to reload that quickly!!
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #13 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 9:18am » |
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Yeah, the top 3-4 picks in our draft are a toss up at this point. I had Arrington a distant 4th on my list because of his size, even though he has a good shot to have the best rookie year. I had Ronnie Brown at 2. I admit to not even hearing of Williams or Brown because they were drafted so everything I know is from FF books, etc.
Nevertheless, I felt very fortunate to get Williams at 2 after getting screwed in the lottery once again. Had I not known that Stegeman was going to take Benson, I would have considered trading up as I did last year, although I would not have given more than a mid round pick given the toss up between 1 and 3 on my list.
I don't think you can question Steg taking the receivers in the second round. Those were the best players available at that point. You can question his getting of that many 2nd round picks, but him having the picks forced him to take these RCs when all the good rookie QBs and RBs were gone. On the other hand, he is playing the odds hoping for 2 studs, which is very possible 2-3 years from now!
With his 4 rings, however, I hope he (and his players) suck for those 2-3 years.
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #15 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:27pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 1:24pm, bgsgfan wrote:I was really looking forward to sitting through this, alas, I got called in to work and missed it.
I am curious about the Clarrett pick - is Joe a homer in some way (Broncos fan or Buckeyes fan), was he trying to block Steggie, or is he just that excited about the guy? |
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He is neither a Broncos nor Buckeyes fan, though the latter is probably a reason NOT to take him.
He's basically "playing his game" and being an "operator", instead of just making fairly obvious, intelligent, "straightforward" moves. Ultimately, he's just screwing himself. He knew that the three guys holding the next 7 picks, me - 6, 7, 11 and 12, Markie - 9 and 10, and Danny - 8, ALL would have some elevated level of interest in Clarett. Mark and I are Broncomaniacs and Danny has Tatum Bell. He almost immediately tried right during the draft to start up the bidding war, at least between Mark and me. 
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #16 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:28pm » |
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I couldn't agree with you more, DB. I sincerely hope "Ragin' Rookie"  has some extremely serious growing pains as I hold his next 6 first round picks.
As for JP and MC - I won't speak for him but I do know that he guesstimated that I would be taking MC with one of my first rounders. So if he wanted him, he had to grab him then.
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #17 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 3:02pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 9:18am, DB wrote:
I don't think you can question Steg taking the receivers in the second round. Those were the best players available at that point. You can question his getting of that many 2nd round picks, but him having the picks forced him to take these RCs when all the good rookie QBs and RBs were gone. On the other hand, he is playing the odds hoping for 2 studs, which is very possible 2-3 years from now!
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I don't question Steg taking the rookies in the 2nd round. As I said, he had a great rookie draft. $ best receivers, a QB who just signed and will be the starter, and arguably the best back. Can't ask for much more than that!
I do question having ten WR on a team. I am sure that will be rectified in the first week waiver wire when Patten and Caldwell are up for grabs.
I for one am rooting for him to be good this year. Can't have Mark owning the draft for the next 5 years!! Mark will have two lottery picks the next 5 years.
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Re: GBRFL LIVE On-line Draft Discussion Thread
« Reply #18 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 3:05pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 2:27pm, StegRock wrote:
He is neither a Broncos nor Buckeyes fan, though the latter is probably a reason NOT to take him.
He's basically "playing his game" and being an "operator", instead of just making fairly obvious, intelligent, "straightforward" moves. Ultimately, he's just screwing himself. He knew that the three guys holding the next 7 picks, me - 6, 7, 11 and 12, Markie - 9 and 10, and Danny - 8, ALL would have some elevated level of interest in Clarett. Mark and I are Broncomaniacs and Danny has Tatum Bell. He almost immediately tried right during the draft to start up the bidding war, at least between Mark and me. |
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I talked to him on the way home regarding Clarett. He is high on him. And yes, he knew that Steg or Mark would snag him later in the first round. He figured that Mark would.
I for one think Clarett is going to be a bust. That Denver situation is one to stay very clear of.
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