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2nd "Huddle" Rankings/Mock Draft of '05 - Comments
« on: Aug 2nd, 2005, 11:07pm » |
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Okay, guys, here is the thread to put comments on. This very first post is where I will maintain the cumulative running list of picks! Enjoy, and let's have fun with it!
Second "Huddle" Mock Draft of '05
1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers
2. RB Shaun Alexander - Seahawks
3. RB Edgerrin James - Colts
4. RB Deuce McAllister - Saints
5. RB Tiki Barber - Giants
6. RB Priest Holmes - Chiefs
7. RB Willis McGahee - Bills
8. QB Peyton Manning - Colts
9. RB Clinton Portis - Redskins
10. RB Kevin Jones - Lions
11. RB Rudi Johnson - Bengals
12. RB Jamal Lewis - Ravens
13. WR Randy Moss - Raiders
14. QB Daunte Culpepper - Vikings
15. RB Corey Dillon - Patriots
16. QB Marc Bulger - Rams
17. WR Terrell Owens - Eagles
18. RB Domanick Davis - Texans
19. RB Steven Jackson - Rams
20. RB Julius Jones - Cowboys
21. RB Curtis Martin - Jets
22. RB LaMont Jordan - Raiders
23. RB Brian Westbrook - Eagles
24. QB Donovan McNabb - Eagles
25. RB Ahman Green - Packers
26. WR Torry Holt - Rams
27. WR Chad Johnson - Bengals
28. RB Tatum Bell - Broncos
29. WR Marvin Harrison - Colts
30. QB Trent Green - Chiefs
31. RB Carnell Williams - Buccaneers
32. WR Javon Walker - Packers
33. TE Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs
34. WR Joe Horn - Saints
35. WR Andre Johnson - Texans
36. RB Warrick Dunn - Falcons
37. RB Chris Brown - Titans
38. RB Michael Bennett - Vikings
39. RB Travis Henry - Titans
40. RB J.J. Arrington - Cardinals
41. TE Antonio Gates - Chargers
42. WR Darrell Jackson - Seahawks
43. WR Ashley Lelie - Broncos
44. WR Reggie Wayne - Colts
45. RB DeShaun Foster - Panthers
46. RB Cedric Benson - Bears
47. QB Kerry Collins - Raiders
48. WR Michael Clayton - Buccaneers
49. QB Michael Vick - Falcons
50. WR Roy Williams - Lions
51. WR Hines Ward - Steelers
52. QB Jake Plummer - Broncos
53. WR Anquan Boldin - Cardinals
54. WR Nate Burleson - Vikings
55. WR Steve Smith - Panthers
56. RB Ronnie Brown - Dolphins
57. WR Drew Bennett - Titans
58. WR Larry Fitzgerald - Cardinals
59. QB Jake Delhomme - Panthers
60. RB Fred Taylor - Jaguars
61. RB Kevan Barlow - 49ers
62. TE Jason Whitten - Cowboys
63. WR Eddie Kennison - Chiefs
64. RB Duce Staley - Steelers
65. WR Donald Driver - Packers
66. WR Laveranues Coles - Jets
67. QB Tom Brady - Patriots
68. TE Todd Heap - Ravens
69. QB Brett Farve - Packers
70. D/ST Baltimore Ravens
71. TE Jeremy Shockey - Giants
72. WR Isaac Bruce - Rams
73. WR Muhsin Muhammad - Bears
74. WR Chris Chambers - Dolphins
75. WR Derrick Mason - Ravens
76. QB Carson Palmer - Bengals
77. WR Jimmy Smith - Jaguars
78. QB Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
79. RB Larry Johnson - Chiefs
80. QB David Carr - Texans
81. D/ST Pittsburgh Steelers
82. RB T.J. Duckett - Falcons
83. RB Thomas Jones - Bears
84. WR Jerry Porter - Raiders
85. TE Alge Crumpler - Falcons
86. D/ST Buffalo Bills
87. RB Lee Suggs - Browns
88. WR Rod Smith - Broncos
89. D/ST New England Patriots
90. RB Jerome Bettis - Steelers
91. TE Dallas Clark - Colts
92. QB Chad Pennington - Jets
93. WR Plaxico Burress - Giants
94. RB Marshall Faulk - Rams
95. WR Keyshawn Johnson - Cowboys
96. QB Aaron Brooks - Saints
97. WR Deion Branch - Patriots
98. WR Keenan McCardell - Chargers
99. WR Santana Moss - Redskins
100. WR Eric Moulds - Bills
101. QB Kurt Warner - Cardinals
102. WR Charles Rogers - Lions
103. QB Drew Brees - Chargers
104. RB Ricky Williams - Dolphins
105. WR Lee Evans - Bills
106. WR Braylon Edwards - Browns
107. QB Byron Leftwich - Jaguars
108. QB Brian Griese - Buccaneers
109. WR Antwaan Randle El - Steelers
110. WR Mike Williams - Lions
111. TE L.J. Smith - Eagles
112. WR Travis Taylor - Vikings
113. WR David Givens - Patriots
114. WR David Patten - Redskins
115. TE Eric Johnson - 49ers
116. WR Troy Williamson - Vikings
117. PK David Akers - Eagles
118. WR Mark Clayton - Ravens
119. D/ST Philadelphia Eagles
120. WR Reggie Brown - Eagles
121. QB Steve McNair - Titans
122. RB Mike Anderson - Broncos
123. WR Keary Colbert - Panthers
124. RB Frank Gore - 49ers
125. RB Eric Shelton - Panthers
126. WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh - Bengals
127. TE Randy McMichael - Dolphins
128. WR Brandon Stokely - Colts
129. D/ST Carolina Panthers
130. PK Adam Vinateri - Patriots
131. PK Mike Vanderjagt - Colts
132. WR Amani Toomer - Giants
133. WR Justin McCareins - Jets
134. QB Ben Roethlisberger - Steelers
135. WR Doug Gabriel - Raiders
136. WR Antonio Bryant - Browns -> Patriots
137. RB Derrick Blaylock - Jets
138. WR Jerry Rice - Broncos
139. WR Reggie Williams - Jaguars
140. RB Ron Dayne - Broncos
141. RB Mewelde Moore - Vikings
142. WR Matt Jones - Jaguars
143. D/ST Dallas Cowboys
144. WR Michael Jenkins - Falcons
145. PK Jason Elam - Broncos
146. WR Terry Glenn - Cowboys
147. TE Jermaine Wiggins - Vikings
148. D/ST New York Jets
149. RB Ciatrick Fason - Vikings
150. QB Joey Harrington - Lions
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Re: 2nd "Huddle" Rankings/Mock Draft of '05 - Comm
« Reply #5 on: Aug 3rd, 2005, 10:08am » |
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on Aug 3rd, 2005, 9:07am, Philly wrote:Wow. The draft started after I went to bed and I wake up and half of the first round is complete.
And now we have our first  pick of the draft... Marc Bulger at #16? Really? Even with Jake Plummer still available?   |
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LOL!!
I too went to bed to find that we are on pick number 18 already. I guess I will have to take a RB like almost everyone else. Dominic Davis falls to #18. I am kind of surprised because I see him taken over a lot of the players selected already.
The second thing I see in mock drafts that surprises me is that Culpepper is still being taken in the top tier of players. In my opinion, with the loss of Moss, his value and numbers should drop.
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Re: 2nd "Huddle" Rankings/Mock Draft of '05 - Comm
« Reply #10 on: Aug 4th, 2005, 8:30pm » |
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My pick of Travis Henry really is in response to the pick of Chris Brown two prior, a pick, with all due respect to Tony_O, I really do not like. Brown runs too straight-up, moreover, for a somewhat tall guy. Henry is back home in a way, having played for the Volunteers, and it is just a matter of time before the job is pretty much all his. I think at best for Brown it'll be 60 Henry 40 Brown in short order. 37 is WAY too high for Brown.
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Re: 2nd "Huddle" Rankings/Mock Draft of '05 - Comm
« Reply #12 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 1:23pm » |
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on Aug 5th, 2005, 5:27am, bgsgfan wrote:| ... he (Brown) is the better back of the 2 if healthy. |
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(This is just a visceral reaction...) NO WAY, bro!!!
I've seen them both play... Henry's the better (more prototypical, at least) tailback.
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Re: 2nd "Huddle" Rankings/Mock Draft of '05 - Comm
« Reply #13 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 1:52pm » |
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Let's see......
Last year Chris Brown rushed for 1067 yards in 11 games, of which in 5 games he had less than 16 carries. He scored 6 tds and averaged 4.9 yrds per carry. This was his first year as a starter and is bound to get better with experience. I would not debate his upright running style and his potential for injury, but he is young and has plenty of tread on his tires. Henry has battled injuries(fumbles too) as well, this I know of because I have had him since he was a rookie in my keeper league.
In my opinion and many others(I will use xpertsports ADP, to support this) Barber and Bulger, two of your picks were far bigger reaches. Barber which you drafted at #5 has a ADP of 15, Bulger which you drafted at #16 has a ADP of 53, while Brown which I selected at #37 has a ADP of 30. So, Barber was 10 under his ADP, Bulger 37 under his ADP, and Brown was 7 over his ADP. I realize that you have a "gut feeling" on these two particular players, which I agree on with Bulger, but I would never draft him in the second round. I do think Henry might bite into Brown's numbers and a handcuff would be a great stradegy.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 2:13pm » |
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on Aug 5th, 2005, 1:52pm, Tony_O wrote:Let's see......
Last year Chris Brown rushed for 1067 yards in 11 games, of which in 5 games he had less than 16 carries. He scored 6 tds and averaged 4.9 yrds per carry. This was his first year as a starter and is bound to get better with experience. I would not debate his upright running style and his potential for injury, but he is young and has plenty of tread on his tires. Henry has battled injuries(fumbles too) as well, this I know of because I have had him since he was a rookie in my keeper league.
In my opinion and many others(I will use xpertsports ADP, to support this) Barber and Bulger, two of your picks were far bigger reaches. Barber which you drafted at #5 has a ADP of 15, Bulger which you drafted at #16 has a ADP of 53, while Brown which I selected at #37 has a ADP of 30. So, Barber was 10 under his ADP, Bulger 37 under his ADP, and Brown was 7 over his ADP. I realize that you have a "gut feeling" on these two particular players, which I agree on with Bulger, but I would never draft him in the second round. I do think Henry might bite into Brown's numbers and a handcuff would be a great stradegy. |
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Look... Your appeal to (a particular) "authority" falls on deaf ears, man. I like to see more independent thinking among (intelligent, experienced) fantasy footballers (such as yourself). I don't give a rat's ass what some other site's rankings "system" "claims". Some other dudes on the net might be using my rankings in "the Red Zone" for support of their early picks of Barber, Bulger, Delhomme, Plummer, Warner or Kennison, just to name a few maverick "thoughts" of mine, in some random fantasy (mock) drafts. My take on Chris Brown is not an attack on you or Jeremy. I'm absolutely certain there are a number of picks here that could be criticized in light of another resources' rankings list. But, you chose to rake me over the coals... solely, as evidenced by the timing of your doing so, to strike back at my stating my thoughts on the Chris Brown pick,... which just so happened to have been made by you. Again,... I don't mind your giving your critical take on my or anyone's picks. It's just that the timing of your criticism (Barber was taken almost 40 picks ago) is evidence of the mindset/motive behind your criticism,... which isn't altogether "pure". Anyway,  from the east coast, where the tsunami-like heat wave continues to roll in.
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 2:38pm » |
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I wasn't trying to question you or your picks, I thought they were questionable at the time they were made, but I didn't feel the need to pull the rug out. Even when Jeff questioned your Bulger selection, I didn't add on. However, once you reffered to my Brown pick as "WAY OFF", I decided to look at the numbers and use statistics to support my pick. I'm not hyping xpertsports either, they have had many mock drafts and the ADP- average draft position gives you a feel of what others have been selecting. Now, the Brown pick might be a reach and thats why I suggested the handcuff and Barber and Bulger might explode this year, however I was just trying to defend the pick, not rake you over the coals. My appoligies! 
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 6:53pm » |
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T.O., you're still not gettin' it, man. I'm just sayin' don't wait, get on my ass about my "whack" picks "on time", so we can go at it  ... and I can give my take. As long as you are fair (and not mean-spirited), and to say that Tiki at #5 is a stretch is more than fair, don't pull punches. On the other hand, keep in mind that I usually have my mind on daring to be different and "original". I want us, within reason of course, to be maverick and go out on a limb with our takes on "the Gridiron", calling primarily upon our own experience and fantasy football savvy, not what the (self-proclaimed) "experts" "have to" say (not that I am saying you, Tony, or anyone specifically is guilty of this). "Original" content is what gives off an air of confidence and what makes "the Gridiron" more valuable to our members and guests. We've all played fantasy football long enough. Strut your stuff, my fellow Gridironers! 
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Yea, bg, there surely "might be" a "part of" me that is "making a statement" about how I view the "state of fantasy football" (if such inflated terminology is even appropriate). I think the way the position of QB manifests in your run-of-the-mill fantasy system these days stinks. For arguable Top-10 quarterbacks to be being drafted roughly behind 20-to-30 WR's, 25-to-35 RB's and even 3-to-5 TE's is, as far as I can tell, indicative of an ill set-up. Yet, that's the precise set-up the mainstream FF world has adopted. ... I guess I consider my rankings for the "ideal" system, which should be being strived for (but isn't, granted). In any event, fantasy footballers can go and break the cheatsheet generated by all this down position-by-position and still have something VERY useful even if they don't like where the QB's went, and I would have succeeded in making some inroads with what I believe should be the great concern here among hardcore fantasy footballers who see the "aesthetic" side of the hobby (vis-a-vis, let's say, the gambling side) and want to see it done right, or at least see it with an eye on/toward improvement.
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The list above is updated through the Top 10! 
Got it! 
Guys and gals, this is movin' really slow... Let's ditch the "wait for two people to pick" rule and just go with leap-frogging, i.e. "wait for just one person to pick", from here on out.