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Re: The "Official" Can We Decide? Thread
« Reply #14 on: May 21st, 2004, 2:51pm » |
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on May 21st, 2004, 12:46pm, PrimeTime wrote:Not that I want to beat a dead horse, but if by some chance I get the number one pick, I am NOT going to make a draft selection until I have had the opportunity to trade that pick.
The same will go for any spot I draft from 1 to 5. If I know where I draft now I can spend time prior to the draft trying to trade the pick. If not, it will just delay my pick as I try to trade it during the draft.
I do not see anyone trading for the potential #1 pick by offering fair value for the #1 pick. That just does not make sense and why would someone (ie me) trade away the potential #1 pick for less then fair value? |
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Shut up, you already voted. 
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Re: The "Official" Can We Decide? Thread
« Reply #18 on: May 21st, 2004, 9:27pm » |
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Naaaaaa, Jim! In the GBRFL, you can vote, "yes" or "no" or you can "abstain". We usually set a deadline for our voting and someone missing the deadline just counts as an "abstain". I would say for you guys at this point, since you did not set a deadline, someone send jimmyc, who may not even be back this year for all we know, an e-mail with a deadline within the next couple days, by the end of the weekend perhaps, OR, what might be most forthright, by the time you stated above you want to know the order, two weeks before the draft; that would, however, require you to now determine the start date of you all's draft. Anyway, if he doesn't respond by whatever deadline you set, you go with the 5-4 verdict you've come to here. 
Also, on a very related note, as per GBRFL tradition, if Jimmy has to be replaced, the new guy does not get a vote this year, i.e. on this issue. You only get voting rights AFTER you have spent a year in the league. Of course, I suppose you guys could vote on that as well, though. 
Also, in response to a question above, in the "mother league", tie goes to what's been done. So, if it comes out 5 to 5, I suppose, if you want to follow tradition, you'd go with not knowing the order until the day of the draft (and vote again next year). But, whatever! 
Lastly, Primer, you do know the rationale you presented above is not really aboveboard. It's not an "honest" basis for an "objective" decision. It's "I'm pouting and taking my ball home" reasoning.  :shameonyou:
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Re: The "Official" Can We Decide? Thread
« Reply #19 on: May 22nd, 2004, 11:25am » |
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on May 21st, 2004, 9:27pm, StegRock wrote: I would say for you guys at this point, since you did not set a deadline, someone send jimmyc, who may not even be back this year for all we know, an e-mail with a deadline within the next couple days, by the end of the weekend perhaps, OR, what might be most forthright, by the time you stated above you want to know the order, two weeks before the draft; that would, however, require you to now determine the start date of you all's draft. Anyway, if he doesn't respond by whatever deadline you set, you go with the 5-4 verdict you've come to here.
Also, on a very related note, as per GBRFL tradition, if Jimmy has to be replaced, the new guy does not get a vote this year, i.e. on this issue. You only get voting rights AFTER you have spent a year in the league. Of course, I suppose you guys could vote on that as well, though.
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I sent Jimmy an email about 3 weeks ago asking him if he was still around and also sent a trade proposal. He got back to me within a couple days and said he planned on sticking around (and turned down my trade  ). I sent him another email with yet another trade offer more than a week ago and have not heard back from him this time around... 
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Re: The "Official" Can We Decide? Thread
« Reply #23 on: May 24th, 2004, 12:36pm » |
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on May 21st, 2004, 12:46pm, PrimeTime wrote:Not that I want to beat a dead horse, but if by some chance I get the number one pick, I am NOT going to make a draft selection until I have had the opportunity to trade that pick.
The same will go for any spot I draft from 1 to 5. If I know where I draft now I can spend time prior to the draft trying to trade the pick. If not, it will just delay my pick as I try to trade it during the draft.
I do not see anyone trading for the potential #1 pick by offering fair value for the #1 pick. That just does not make sense and why would someone (ie me) trade away the potential #1 pick for less then fair value? |
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Gene, maybe I didn't use the right analogy here. In any event, I'm not talking about your initial post where you voted. I'm talking about this post I've quoted (there's those natural rhymin' skills comin' out again  ...  ), especially the part in bold. Maybe you aren't exactly "pouting and taking your ball home", but you are surely doing a fair amount of "arm-twisting", or we'll say "pleading" or "encouraging" (in a certain direction consistent with your vote). Maybe, you forgot you made that post.
Additionally, factoring in what professional leagues do, which is your new approach as per your last post, is also rather erroneous. Fantasy leagues, administratively speaking, share very little in common with real professional sports leagues.
That said I REALLY do not care what determination you guys come to. Actually, the one I less prefer "philosophically" is probably the easier one "procedurally". The point, however, is argue from within, not from without!  If you don't feel you can do that to an adequate degree now, this year, "experience" the "traditional" way first AND THEN next year, when you can argue more from within the system and not from sources outside the system, you can vote again with more "information" on your side. In that sense, I prefer you guys to go along with the "mother league's tradition", BUT ONLY IN THAT SENSE. Once you have more information, sail off, my little grasshoppers!
But, if you really are hell-bent to sail off now, go for it. Know that it'll be hard to reverse field on this issue in the future, though. Whereas, if you go with the "tradition", it would be rather easy to change next year or sometime in the future and you'd at least walk away from it having experienced something "new", whether you liked it or not.
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Re: The "Official" Can We Decide? Thread
« Reply #24 on: May 24th, 2004, 1:10pm » |
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on May 24th, 2004, 12:36pm, StegRock wrote:
you are surely doing a fair amount of "arm-twisting", or we'll say "pleading" or "encouraging" (in a certain direction consistent with your vote). Maybe, you forgot you made that post.
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Who made that post under my name?
Did I post that?
OK, Ok I admit it.
I am a compulsive pleading/encouraging, arm-twister. It is a sickness I live with every day of my life. I need to go to PEATA (Pleading Encouraging Arm-Twisters Anonymous), but everytime I go I keep trying to convince them to disband the organization. 
On a more serious note, I am really fine with whatever we decide to do. I am in another league where we pick the draft order out of a hat right before we start the draft. Personally, it does nothing for me either way because I prepare for every spot in the draft. I will do the same here.
If some people really get a kick out of finding out right before the draft where they will pick, then I would not want to cheat them out of that excitement.
Some of us are planners and some of us like to live in the moment. Neither one is necessarily better (or Worse) than the other.
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?? HUH? I have no idea what you are talking about. I simply voted to know as soon as possible. (as did a few others)