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Re: How do you know you're in a deeeeeeeep keeper
« Reply #6 on: Oct 18th, 2006, 4:55pm » |
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Don't make the FOUR-time Champ in this system go down your rosters and point out all the players over whom Ricky Williams (who may just find himself in Denver next year with Mike Shanny, who was sniffing around him hard this past offseason, as Shanny goes and jettisons Tatum Bell, a guy we all know he's never been crazy about, just like he did Olandis Gary (one-hit wonder with the Broncos), Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns ("") and Mike Anderson) is (already) worth having!!!
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Re: How do you know you're in a deeeeeeeep keeper
« Reply #14 on: Oct 18th, 2006, 7:26pm » |
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Sorry you had that, for sure, bias-creating experience, Chumpman. I would not have considered (did not even consider) such moves a year, a year and a half ago. Ricky and/in Miami was just too volatile a situation after the BS he pulled the year prior. But, he did play okay; Shanny, Mr. RB, was sniffin' around him this past offseason, which is a curious point in and of itself; he obviously wants to play more football, otherwise, he wouldn't be playing in the CFL, and he WILL get an "opportunity" next year somewhere. Those are the facts of the matter that make him WELL worth a Patrick Ramsey or a Cedric Cobbs.
on Oct 18th, 2006, 7:03pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:| Oooohhh...wise words from the almighty king of wisdom. |
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Backatchya, dude...  Press on, man! Or, should I say,... keep diggin'...  
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Re: How do you know you're in a deeeeeeeep keeper
« Reply #17 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 2:51pm » |
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on Oct 18th, 2006, 4:55pm, StegRock wrote:| Don't make the FOUR-time Champ in this system go down your rosters and point out all the players over whom Ricky Williams (who may just find himself in Denver next year with Mike Shanny, who was sniffing around him hard this past offseason, as Shanny goes and jettisons Tatum Bell, a guy we all know he's never been crazy about, just like he did Olandis Gary (one-hit wonder with the Broncos), Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns ("") and Mike Anderson) is (already) worth having!!! |
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First off, if there was a book of Fantasy Manlaws, page one would detail the fact that boasting about past championships won (and your use of bold seems to indicate boasting gloating) is weak.  
That being said, even if he does end up in Denver, who is to say that he's suddenly the next Clinton Portis in that system? I don't know the specifics of his situation in Canada (i.e. offensive system, quality of line, etc.), but he's hardly tearing it up in Toronto. When he comes back, it will be 4 seasons since he's had any significant success in the NFL. It's quite possible that all the wear and tear on his body at the beginning of his career (not to mention the use of illegal substances) has helped to accelerate the deterioration of his skills. He'll be 30 years old before camps start next summer. He's no spring chicken any more, especially at the RB position. 
on Oct 18th, 2006, 7:26pm, StegRock wrote:| Sorry you had that, for sure, bias-creating experience, Chumpman. I would not have considered (did not even consider) such moves a year, a year and a half ago. Ricky and/in Miami was just too volatile a situation after the BS he pulled the year prior. But, he did play okay; Shanny, Mr. RB, was sniffin' around him this past offseason, which is a curious point in and of itself; he obviously wants to play more football, otherwise, he wouldn't be playing in the CFL, and he WILL get an "opportunity" next year somewhere. Those are the facts of the matter that make him WELL worth a Patrick Ramsey or a Cedric Cobbs. |
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What is that old saying... "a leopard can't change its spots"? I think that is probably apropos here. After all, there is a reason he is playing in the great white north this season instead of sunny Florida... (Has something to do with the leopard's spots, if I recall correctly.) As for his value over a Ramsey or a Cobbs? Well, they probably didn't deserve a roster spot in the first place, but that's another argument.
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Re: How do you know you're in a deeeeeeeep keeper
« Reply #20 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 6:49pm » |
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Weak arguments...
on Oct 19th, 2006, 2:51pm, Philly wrote:First off, if there was a book of Fantasy Manlaws, page one would detail the fact that boasting about past championships won (and your use of bold seems to indicate boasting gloating) is weak. |
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Gloating about Championships WON I personally have no problem with. (If you haven't won one yet, I can see how that might get under your skin, though, something some of you seem to want to do to me almost exclusively anymore?) Isn't that what we're doing here? There's no money. There's not even any awards in this league. People who "gloat" (if you can call it that) about future "Championships" (of whatever kind) is what I find inane. BUT, IN ANY EVENT, it was only brought up to substantiate "authority" on the matter. Yea, there's a little rah-rah there, but who over here "really" gives a rat's ass. It's not a "Championship" over any of you, BUT ALL FOUR of them ARE in THIS format, which I've been playing successfully in since 1989. Take it for what it's worth, but don't be an ass to me about it.
Quote:| That being said, even if he does end up in Denver, who is to say that he's suddenly the next Clinton Portis in that system? I don't know the specifics of his situation in Canada (i.e. offensive system, quality of line, etc.), but he's hardly tearing it up in Toronto. When he comes back, it will be 4 seasons since he's had any significant success in the NFL. It's quite possible that all the wear and tear on his body at the beginning of his career (not to mention the use of illegal substances) has helped to accelerate the deterioration of his skills. He'll be 30 years old before camps start next summer. He's no spring chicken any more, especially at the RB position. |
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I'm not saying he will be the next Clinton Portis. It's an "upswing" possibility, though. Again, he comes at virtually no cost, other than holding on to him. ... But, that's your position. I see whence you are coming. At this time, I disagree,... but I don't need to add to my disagreement pot-shots.
Quote:What is that old saying... "a leopard can't change its spots"? I think that is probably apropos here. After all, there is a reason he is playing in the great white north this season instead of sunny Florida... (Has something to do with the leopard's spots, if I recall correctly.) As for his value over a Ramsey or a Cobbs? Well, they probably didn't deserve a roster spot in the first place, but that's another argument.
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Look... I would take Ricky Williams over much "better" players than Ramsey and Cobbs (it just so happens that they were the two players in fact dropped for him) in a GBRFL league or any DEEEEP keeper like this. I get a laugh, though, Jeff... Where is the guy who had Ramsey on his roster in the standings, and where are you? And, please, since you are into adages and proverbs today and casting stones, make sure your own glass house is in order.
Bottom line,... you're not the one who picked him up and has to hold on to him like forever. Jamie is... I am... It'll all come out in the wash eventually... Why put so much energy into criticizing my take and take shots at me? I didn't take shots at yous... I just made posts stating facts of the matter and telling yous what I thought, thinking that yous would like to hear "Steg's take" and (quietly and respectfully) file it away for future reference. But, instead, a couple of YOUS decided to take shots at me for doing so. I "responded" accordingly. Look,... take my insights or leave them. It's your prerogative. There's no reason to chew me up in the meat-grinder in the process. It just ends up being a lot of wasted time and energy (which could be spent doing more "productive" things... here). If you think my take is not of value, ignore it, and give yours if you want. BUT, don't take it to be an opportunity to take pot-shots. That's just Busch League. Ultimately, (I'd think) you('d) got to respect that I walk the talk. I too have saddled myself with Williams, so it's not like I am just "spouting off" here. 
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Re: How do you know you're in a deeeeeeeep keeper
« Reply #22 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 10:59pm » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 10:18pm, Philly wrote:Sheesh... someone's got their panties in a bind.
The only "pot-shot" I took at you was for your boasting about past championships. I find that presenting the old "I've won (insert number here) fantasy championships" to add credibility to your opinion is weak, whether it happens here or anywhere else on the internet. I would be willing to bet that I'm not alone in that opinion.
The rest of the post was presenting my own opinion of Ricky Williams's future in the NFL, and thusly, fantasy football. The pot-shots (an appropriate term  given the player in question) were directed toward Ricky himself. If you felt that they were potshots at you, well, then (as Colin Cowherd would say) that's a you problem.
[quote]I'm just offering my opinion that I don't feel that adding Ricky Williams to a roster will prove to be a fruitful exercise - for you or for Jamie. But it's obvious my opinion isn't as valuable as yours since I'm currently running at the bottom of the standings here and have not won a championship in my three years in this format - as you are quick to point out. |
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ONLY in retaliation, Jeff!!! And, NO, I'm not bent out of shape about your making fun of pot-head Ricky. I've been there, done that... myself. What he did to the Dolphins was totally fucked up, and, yes, weed may end up putting out any glimmer of hope his admittedly dwindling future may hold. That part of your spiel I responded to VERY matter-of-factly. I see whence you are coming. You don't feel he's worth putting on a Week 3 or Week 6 2006 GBRFL roster. That's a reasonable,... hell,... that's the conventional take. But, Jamie does. So do I. He has him. I do, too. You don't. What's the problem? What are you(s) trying to convince Jamie and I to drop him?
Moreover, I remain flexible. I accept that things are subject to change and accept that risk,  so at the end of the day it's really no loss. It's Ricky and ALL his possibilities and ALL the probabilities of those possibilities as of Week 3 that I put on my roster Week 3. I don't deny "ALL" those possibilities. The question is,... do you? I may have put a guy on my team, letting him take up a roster spot for the next 10 months, only to wind up cutting him. But, there is another side of the coin. This situation is not so much about "predicting"  as it is "weighing" (though predicting is surely a part of the process of weighing).
In any event, while I, in general, certainly agree with you that in a faceless, cyber environment with dudes coming from all kinds of different league systems touting their "Championships" so as to add credibility to their opinion "in general" is rather lame (so, no, you're not alone), this is NOT such a "generalized" case. The fact that you lump it thusly is an insult to me. On the other hand, I guess you've got it figured out,... so fuck the guy who's played in THIS system for 18 years and, moreover (as further facts worth considering), has been successful in it, winning 4 Championships and having an overall astonishing record (having his only losing season since 1993 last year, and that was kind of "by plan" as I switched to rebuilding mode coming off that fourth championship, but humbly acknowledging that my team was seriously aging and not ready for another run). Again, my pointing out your "history" in the system is ONLY a function of your reacting to/erroneously calling me out for my pointing out mine. The problem here isn't the pointing out of "histories" in THIS system. That's part of figuring out the solutions, in fact. If you don't like that, then work hard to change your history in the league. Otherwise, don't bitch about others pointing to their successes as case in point and/or reason for assent, which is a valid move as, contrary to what you are presenting, "success" IS a great way to determine "authority" on a matter (in fact, what better way is there?) and, perhaps, see what you can learn... even if you don't swallow the whole ball of wax all the time.
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Re: How do you know you're in a deeeeeeeep keeper
« Reply #24 on: Oct 20th, 2006, 10:11pm » |
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on Oct 20th, 2006, 12:00pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:| If he does do well next year, I guess you can say, I told you so. Whoopee. |
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No... Fuck the "talk"... IF he makes a strong comeback next year (a BIG "IF", I grant), I won't just be talking about it (I probably won't bring it up again), he'll be having his strong comeback on my team. In any event, on a number of fronts, last year wasn't the year to get in the Ricky ballgame (read, VERY risky business; that had to be known). He was good earlier in his career, and I think he is WELL worth taking a flyer on now... in a DEEP keeper league.
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I'm well aware of his checkered past, but what did it cost me? A 3rd string QB? Big deal. If there's even a small chance that he comes back to the NFL next season, he's well worth the roster spot.
You can heed that or you can continue bitching about not getting the first pick in the draft lottery year in and year out. It's your choice... 
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