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'06 GBRFL Draft ADMINISTRATION thread
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Guys, this is the thread on which to ask questions and express concerns about logistical and administrative matters, e.g. someone's picking out of turn or selecting a player that was already selected, THE LOTTERY ORDER (Frank, Dave, Rob, post that here once it's been determined), etc., etc. This is NOT the thread on which to put general commentary and discuss the draft. THAT goes on the following thread "between the 20's" for "the Gridiron" community at large to enjoy and participate in with us:
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;a ction=display;num=1157201220.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 2nd, 2006, 11:44am » |
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Here is the e-mail I sent on Saturday.
I know Trout is trying to get a conference number which would be ideal. If he is unable due to unavailability or cost(they can be expensive), here is a back up plan. You just need a working microphone and a computer.
To access it:
Download and install the TeamSpeak Client here (it is the first one listed that says client, NOT server):
http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads
Let's use free public servers to make our chat channels. We will call them by the unofficial names of server 1 and 2. One or the other is up at all times. Once Teamspeak is loaded, launch it. It will pop up a box with nothing in it. THEN, launch internet explorer and enter the first URL below(bolded):
"Server 1"
teamspeak://voice.teamspeak.org:10060/
If that server is unavailable, we can always use Server 2:
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teamspeak://nickware.dnsalias.com:8767/
The website you are on should not change, however, you will notice that the TEAMSPEAK box now has channels in it.
I will make a private channel called "GBRFL" and to enter it, find it in the big list once you connect and click on it. The password will be: (the same password needed to get into the Owners page of the GBRFL website)
In the client you can set options for your mike like always on, or click a button to activate, etc, as well as set sound levels in and out. Recommend you use a "push to talk" button so you're not always dumping noise on the channel. We can work out any issues via the phone. Home 703-764-0670 I find it easiest to set and use the middle mouse button as a push-to-talk button, for whatever that is worth.
A few other things to keep in mind. I suggest you set this up early because a lot of times you need to screw around with your microphone to make it work. If you want to test it, give me a call and I will be happy to help: 703-764-0670 or cell 703-346-1297.
Also, you can create other rooms for trade talks......
If you do not talk for a period of time, the server may drop you. Just re-enter the web address in explorer and it will reactivate you.
Again, this is just a back up plan incase we can not get a conference call.
Thanks!
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Re: '06 GBRFL Draft ADMINISTRATION thread
« Reply #3 on: Sep 2nd, 2006, 12:53pm » |
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Quote:| How is the draft order going to be determined this year? Rob, Dave, and Frank going to draw the Pink polka dot for me? |
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Actually Mark is the pink and purple polka dot man this via the commish. Maybe next year Dirk, especially if you don't improve your receiving squad.
As for the lottery, I guess we will do it.  We don't have Steg's colored lottery cards but we'll figure something out (Rob, let's flip a coin for the first pick) 
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Re: '06 GBRFL Draft ADMINISTRATION thread
« Reply #5 on: Sep 2nd, 2006, 6:40pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2006, 2:32pm, DirkDiggler wrote:| I have a suggestion so everyone can participate. I can create a randomized spreadsheet listing everyones picks. Steg would get 5 squares.....I would get one. Then I could e-mail this spreadsheet to everyone except those at Franks. You would then draw #s 1-15 until the order is established. That way everyone could witness the order at the same time..... just a suggestion.... |
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I'm a little TOTALLY confused about how this would work, but it sounds great... Of course, I am also comfortable with DB, Pak and Frank doing it. But, I do like the idea of more people's being involved, just in general. Can you tease this out for me, Stevo?
Regarding the internet conference set-up, I still haven't yet heard back from DT, so we're still in limbo. But, I must admit. While I would surely sign up and get it going for myself (I am a bit pressed for time between now and draft time, however), I definitely see this being a nightmare for some (of our less, let's say, "technically-involved" folks) even though, mind you, I'm sure it is NOT difficult, Steve, but that's always relative. Ultimately, it is the weekend, so we should all be good to talk until our hearts are content on the phone, and though that in and of itself does nothing for us "conference-wise",... it (is NO work and glichless and) "suffices". We'll see how things go... I'm not too worried about the bottom line,... BUT I do want us to maximize our enjoyment.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 2nd, 2006, 6:51pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2006, 6:40pm, StegRock wrote:
I'm a little TOTALLY confused about how this would work, but it sounds great... Of course, I am also comfortable with DB, Pak and Frank doing it. But, I do like the idea of more people's being involved, just in general. Can you tease this out for me, Stevo?
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I am happy with them drawing it as well, but I just thought it would be an interesting twist.
I would be happy to elaborate.
I create a spreadsheet with 15 slots. 5 squares would have Stegs name, 4 with DBs. 3 with Paks, 2 with Travs, and 1 with mine. I then use the RANDOM function on excel to randomize the spreadsheet. So now, the 15 squares are in a random order. Everyone would still have the same # of squares as listed above, but the order of the names would be completely random.
I would then send this spreadsheet to everyone EXCEPT them.
Then, the guys at Franks draw #s.(1-15) If they draw a 5, the name in the 5th square would get the 1st pick. They proceed to draw until everyones name is chosen to establish an order. They would have no idea whose ## was chosen until we tell them, and we would have no idea what ## was chosen until they tell us. Everyone would be involved and it would be completely random on their side and our side.
Just an idea....
As far as team speak, it really is pretty easy......
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 2nd, 2006, 7:06pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2006, 6:51pm, DirkDiggler wrote:I am happy with them drawing it as well, but I just thought it would be an interesting twist.
I would be happy to elaborate.
I create a spreadsheet with 15 slots. 5 squares would have Stegs name, 4 with DBs. 3 with Paks, 2 with Travs, and 1 with mine. I then use the RANDOM function on excel to randomize the spreadsheet. So now, the 15 squares are in a random order. Everyone would still have the same # of squares as listed above, but the order of the names would be completely random.
I would then send this spreadsheet to everyone EXCEPT them.
Then, the guys at Franks draw #s. If they draw a 5, the name in the 5th square would get the 1st pick. They proceed to draw until everyones name is chosen to establish an order. They would have no idea whose ## was chosen until we tell them, and we would have no idea what ## was chosen until they tell us. Everyone would be involved and it would be completely random on their side and our side.
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It's absolutely BRILLIANT!!!  I see NO reason NOT to do it that way!!!
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 3rd, 2006, 9:33am » |
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Okay,... guys... I am finally done for the night. It is 3:30 a.m. here and I am, alas, really going to hit the sack...  and get about 4 hours and 45 minutes of sleep.  I won't be waking up until probably like 8:10 a.m., 20 minutes before the kick off of the draft and, thus, won't be on-line until about 8:20, 10 minutes before. I am leaving the lottery up to yous. I am expecting yous to get it done as per Steve's brilliant suggestion above. It allows for both group participation and accountability.  Steve, I expect you to take a lead roll there, if need be, making phone calls  to whomever to coordinate and make sure it happens. Guys, I look forward to coming on in in the morn and seein' "the ball rollin'"  and "the show on the road".  See yous "tomorrow"!!!  I can't wait,... but do need some shut-eye... 
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 3rd, 2006, 10:07am » |
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Unfortunately, I am out on the microphone as well but thanks for the offer. As for the draft order - great idea SW. I will be back online probably around 12 EST. Let me know if there is anyway I can help with anything.
To get in touch with me, please use my (720) number. Like I said, I should be home around noon today.
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 4th, 2006, 5:31pm » |
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The draft order  should probably not be too suprising. As I brought up a couple of years ago, the weighting system is not too "weighted" unlike the NBA lottery which makes it almost impossible for the team least likely to win to get lucky.
Here, Warner had a 6.67% chance vs. Steg/Mark who had a 33% chance for the top pick. So Warner did not exactly win the "lottery" by winning the lottery. Bizarre? yes. Impossible? Obviously not. Conspiracy?
This is why the worst team has not won the lottery (and believe me I know) for at least the past 3 years. I've suggested increasing the weighted odds in favor of the worst teams and now would be a good time to do it. 
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 5th, 2006, 1:42am » |
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Actually, my pouting aside, my subjective, self-centered grumbling (which it is so ironic is coming up here because I am just about to make a post about subjective versus objective analysis... in fantasy football and in life), I was upset at the Fates really, not you guys (I, of course, don't really think yous "did" anything improper), a feeling that was exacerbated by the circumstances, which were awfully ironic (I hope you guys are at least ethically-minded enough to have thought to yourselves or looked at each other and said, "While we didn't do anything, boy, it doesn't look good." BUT, oh well... Objectively speaking, I LOVE that the "reward" for coming in last place in the GBRFL is... a good bend-over  and pout session at the following year's draft. Warner came in 6th place last year. He shouldn't have to win the equivalent of the lottery, as DB puts it, to get the first pick. Ultimately, good for him. Sucks for me, but that's the risk you run when you put your team in last place and play the draft lottery game (of course, I had traded away my #1 pick, so...). It should be further incentive to get your team out of the cellar. ... Of course,  I don't have the experience some of you have with the lottery. DB, you could probably do a dissertation on our draft lottery at this point. 
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Re: '06 GBRFL Draft ADMINISTRATION thread
« Reply #17 on: Sep 5th, 2006, 3:45am » |
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Guys, (PLEASE read this whole thing before responding) I would like to hear you guys' take on the LATE draft this year. I would say that we the "average" date of our GBRFL Draft has been around August 10th. We've had it as early as about July 25th and as late as about August 24th, but typically we have it between August 3rd and August 17th, most often during the second week of August. September 3rd, just four days before the kickoff of the season is UNHEARD OF for us.
Now, what I'd like to see in your responses... Because we were born and raised in an American "democratic" society with our all-important right to (our American brand of) free speech, which inevitably leads to "opinions, opinions everywhere, each as good as the next," we tend to be subjective in our takes. An "objective" "decision"/"determination" in an American democracratic mindset, where the majority rules, becomes a mere reflection of the sum total of subjective opinions rather than a truly "objective" take. Given this type of set-up, people tend to think of things in terms of "good" for them or "bad" for them. In fact, things not being put in terms of "good" and "bad" is a mark of objectivity. (Mind you, this is not a necessary condition. It always depends on the circumstances. To say that Hitler was bad is surely a reasonable objective statement. But, when a (sufficiently well-reasoned) judgment avoids putting things in terms of "good" and "bad", that is a sufficient enough condition to call it objective (now whether it is good or not is another matter).) In this light, objective "judgments/judgment calls" tend to also be marked by precision and detailedness as opposed to sweeping generalizations (like "good" and "bad").
Point being, I'd like yous to tell me in a qualitatively "objective" manner how you thought/felt our excessively late draft date this year was... vis-a-vis the preseason, the season immediately upon us, past years, the league, making trades, Week One free-agency, protections and cuts, etc. Relate to me the details/findings of your thinking/feeling. You do not need to indicate whether it was good or bad... unless your findings truly do lend themselves to such a conclusion. The point with making this explicit is that I don't want those who don't have a strong feeling "one way or the other" NOT to respond,... QUITE THE CONTRARY! I want thoughtful consideration, not mere opinionization. Now, after doing that, if you would like to lay your subjective opinion on me about how you thought/felt our excessively late draft date this year was... vis-a-vis your team, your protections and cuts, trades you were considering, free-agent pick-ups you are considering Week One, etc., go for it. But, at least try to give an "objective" take/analysis first. Thank you! 
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 5th, 2006, 12:49pm » |
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on Sep 5th, 2006, 3:45am, StegRock wrote:Guys, (PLEASE read this whole thing before responding) I would like to hear you guys' take on the LATE draft this year. I would say that we the "average" date of our GBRFL Draft has been around August 10th. We've had it as early as about July 25th and as late as about August 24th, but typically we have it between August 3rd and August 17th, most often during the second week of August. September 3rd, just four days before the kickoff of the season is UNHEARD OF for us.
Now, what I'd like to see in your responses... Because we were born and raised in an American "democratic" society with our all-important right to (our American brand of) free speech, which inevitably leads to "opinions, opinions everywhere, each as good as the next," we tend to be subjective in our takes. An "objective" "decision"/"determination" in an American democracratic mindset, where the majority rules, becomes a mere reflection of the sum total of subjective opinions rather than a truly "objective" take. Given this type of set-up, people tend to think of things in terms of "good" for them or "bad" for them. In fact, things not being put in terms of "good" and "bad" is a mark of objectivity. (Mind you, this is not a necessary condition. It always depends on the circumstances. To say that Hitler was bad is surely a reasonable objective statement. But, when a (sufficiently well-reasoned) judgment avoids putting things in terms of "good" and "bad", that is a sufficient enough condition to call it objective (now whether it is good or not is another matter).) In this light, objective "judgments/judgment calls" tend to also be marked by precision and detailedness as opposed to sweeping generalizations (like "good" and "bad").
Point being, I'd like yous to tell me in a qualitatively "objective" manner how you thought/felt our excessively late draft date this year was... vis-a-vis the preseason, the season immediately upon us, past years, the league, making trades, Week One free-agency, protections and cuts, etc. Relate to me the details/findings of your thinking/feeling. You do not need to indicate whether it was good or bad... unless your findings truly do lend themselves to such a conclusion. The point with making this explicit is that I don't want those who don't have a strong feeling "one way or the other" NOT to respond,... QUITE THE CONTRARY! I want thoughtful consideration, not mere opinionization. Now, after doing that, if you would like to lay your subjective opinion on me about how you thought/felt our excessively late draft date this year was... vis-a-vis your team, your protections and cuts, trades you were considering, free-agent pick-ups you are considering Week One, etc., go for it. But, at least try to give an "objective" take/analysis first. Thank you! |
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Well...first off, I think that WHEN the draft is not nearly as important as the WHO. It most years, the draft provides the opportunity for everyone to get together. Unfortunately, this year, only 3 guys were able to get together in person, but I am sure they had fun. I would of like to have been there. With that being said, Trout came through in a big way with the teleconference ## so every could still talk to each other. I had a beer in hand and had a good time still....... I think everyone would agree that the draft got much better when people could talk to each other rather than what we had beforehand.
So before I even begin to answer your question, I would suggest that peoples schedules will continue to dictate the draft date. (I am surprised we were able to have the draft over a holiday weekend. Usually people are on vacation Labor Day Weekend)
Now, with that being said, I would strongly prefer a later date rather than an earlier one. The more information a person can have before making protection lists the better. It also gives everyone more information regarding the players they are drafting. For example, Kerry Collins would probably not have been taken had it not been for the late date of the draft. Wali Lundy, Mike Bell, etc... are other examples. Being more informed makes all the sense in the world to me. So the later, the better to me.
Yes, it is crunch time for this week. You have to get your line up in. However, 3 days is plenty for that. You have to decide on your add/drops. However, since the draft was so late, there will probably not be too many players taken in free agency since the 'big picture' was already spelled out on Sunday. There are a few questions remaining about what player is going to do what, but way less than what occured in the past.
You mentioned something about trades. I think there is plenty of time to do trades. The date of the draft has no effect on trades IMO.
So bottom line, I think the later the draft the better for everyone and for the league. However, I think the more important issue is peoples availabilty to post for the draft, whether remotely or inperson.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 5th, 2006, 3:54pm » |
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I don't think it makes too much of a difference. The only big thing is that one or two break-out players will now not be available to the bottom teams week 1 (like last year with Willy Parker and Mike Anderson) because they have been drafted given the late draft. I think the time between preseason week 1 and the regular season has only a marginal effect.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 5th, 2006, 7:17pm » |
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Sorry for the length - this is the first time I have out-written Steg
Overall, a late draft isn't always a bad thing. Although, as DD pointed out, I think we were lucky that everyone was available on Labor Day weekend. While I don't have a huge voice on the matter (since I call in anyway), I am honest in saying that I doubt that weekend will always be available to me in the future. But in the scheme of things, a late draft does answer some questions (not a lot but a few) about the players.
One of the benefits about an early draft:
Last year's drafting of Maurice "Grey Goose" Clarett. If Parsons hadn't had taken him with the 5th pick, Steg very well would have considered him at 7 or Feder thereafter or worst case I would have used my 9 or 10 on him, all making him a first rounder. If the draft would have been held the same time we drafted this year, Clarett is not even mentioned and now Anderson and Dayne are discussed as picks. However, I still took Eric Shelton with the 10th overall last year, meaning at least 2 better players to draft made it into the 2nd round.
An earlier draft also makes some of the veterans released a bit more appealing since you at least know what they are all about, whereas a player like Shelton, you have no idea. If you are trying to make a push to the championship, you might be more likely to draft the proven veteran instead of hoping for a rookie to pan out two years down the road. Either way, an earlier draft makes someone like Michael Clayton more visible than a later draft. That's not bad or good, just the fact that you might be more inclined to take him over Sinorice Moss, depending on where your team sits.
Bottom line is an early draft can really screw some people and also allow "gifts" to fall to those drafting later in the round(s).
The benefits of a later draft is typically your keepers are safe since you have a very good idea about who is making a team, unless there are a couple of major surprises (Dayne this year). An injury can junk this, though, as we have seen with G. Jones and D. Davis, but really an injury is the only thing during a late draft that can be a surprise.
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1) I am not sure if this takes some the fun out of the actual draft day but I was wondering about the possibility of having the lottery pick order decided earlier than the draft. This is not to take away from the anticipation of not knowing the draft order. It's more so that since this is a trade-heavy league, if you had a little bit of prior knowledge of who has what picks, other deals can be discussed. I am not talking about having the order decided in February, maybe just having it finalized a couple of weeks before the draft. It would be another way to get everyone on the site, on a conference call, whatever and would give some discussion even before the draft. Using DD's system, those who wanted to participate would be given the spreadsheet (sans the number-puller) and the number-puller (Steg or whomever) would draw and post the numbers. Just a thought...
2) Weekend-specific draft date. Not for or against it - just throwing it out...
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 6:07am » |
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Well, in VERY short, I think the late draft is a mixed bag. Personally, I like variety. I think experiencing both excessively early drafts, like the last weekend of July, and very late ones, like this year's, four days before the kickoff of the season, provide unique "substantive" experiences. What does strike me interesting, though, is the suggestion that the lottery may need to be weighted in further favor of the teams as you go down, with heavy weighting in favor of the last place team, along with the sentiment that it is best to hold the draft as late as possible. Irrespective of the lottery, in past years one of the precious commodities the last place team was guaranteed was a, by and large, valuable Week One free-agent pick. (I knew this wasn't going to be the case this year. That is one of the main reasons why I pushed for the LATE draft this year. I knew "I" would be the one takin' the hit. This way I didn't have to listen to some whiny self-centered bitch.) Anyway, the later the draft is pushed back, the less valuable that GUARANTEED first free-agent pick is going to be. The pick was SO valueless this year, I, one of the most active free-agent picker-uppers in the league, didn't even use it. I didn't even contemplate it. I couldn't even get an offer for the mother fucker despite publicly pimping it. In fact, the whole of Week One free-agency this year was lame. It seems to me that the ideal time for a fantasy draft is roughly sometime between August 10th and August 20th, but, again, I am a "variety is the spice of life" guy, so... Being open to a wide range of dates and switchin' it up year after year makes for the richest fantasy experience, I think. Herein, I just want to encourage those who just think "the later, the better" when it comes to the draft to go back and make sure their position is consistent with the "spirit" of their thinking about the weighting of the draft lottery vis-a-vis (the hit the last place and second-to-last place teams take during) Week One free-agency. 
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 8:46am » |
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The late draft date really becomes "the good of the many over the good of the few". Yes, there are obvious disadvantages for the bottom dwellers when it comes to week 1 but everyone else has already seen the benefit of not holding lame ducks and not having to scramble in week 1 for a free agent. It makes for a more peaceful and relaxed beginning to the season. I will always vote for a later date for the draft (not labor day weekend), and would add that we should lock it down in the prior year so we don't scramble for a date at the last minute, and perhaps have a better chance to get together.
Regarding the lottery, I've always thought that although it makes for a dramatic beginning to the draft (plenty of drama this year), in the end, this is FOOTBALL not BASKETBALL and the lottery is not realistic nor is it neccesary. This way the poor sap who ends a miserable season in last place, has a guaranteed pick next year. I would vote for getting rid of the draft all together.
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Re: '06 GBRFL Draft ADMINISTRATION thread
« Reply #23 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 8:45pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2006, 8:46am, Art Vandalay wrote:The late draft date really becomes "the good of the many over the good of the few". Yes, there are obvious disadvantages for the bottom dwellers when it comes to week 1 but everyone else has already seen the benefit of not holding lame ducks and not having to scramble in week 1 for a free agent. It makes for a more peaceful and relaxed beginning to the season. I will always vote for a later date for the draft (not labor day weekend), and would add that we should lock it down in the prior year so we don't scramble for a date at the last minute, and perhaps have a better chance to get together.
Regarding the lottery, I've always thought that although it makes for a dramatic beginning to the draft (plenty of drama this year), in the end, this is FOOTBALL not BASKETBALL and the lottery is not realistic nor is it neccesary. This way the poor sap who ends a miserable season in last place, has a guaranteed pick next year. I would vote for getting rid of the draft all together. |
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I think you meant to say that the last placed team would be guaranteed the 1st pick in the restocking draft and to eliminate the lottery.
I think that the later the better as well, within reason. I felt that this year, with only having 4 days to evaluate the draft and talk trades was too short. There were no trades during the draft this year. That, I think, is the first time that has happend since I joined this league 6-7 years ago. I did like the conference call though. I still like doing a draft in person. More discussions happen, trade talks for that coveted player, or filling a position allowing you to deal a player to another owner who has not yet filled his need area through the draft. There is no perfect date. I do like the idea of planning in much further in advance though so that maybe we can have more guys attend in person.
In my league, we have tried different dates as well, and finally decided to have it the Saturday weekend before Labor Day every year. It gives us about 2 weeks to reevaluate our teams, makes deals after the draft to shore up that area of your team that you don't like. One thing that we do though, is that we do not make waiver picks before week 1 games, only lineup submissions.
I like the lottery though, it adds some excitement to the picks before the draft, instead of a guy taking Bush at #1 for certain, and a guy demanding too much for that pick. The GBRFL makes the picks values more uncertain and more hopeful to the owners that hold them in anticipation.
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Re: '06 GBRFL Draft ADMINISTRATION thread
« Reply #24 on: Sep 8th, 2006, 10:17pm » |
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Yea,... regarding the draft lottery,... it's too cool and fun. That's in place... until I croak, at least,... as far as I'm concerned.
As for all this talk of deciding the draft date well ahead of time, I get a bit of a laugh. This is REALLY the first year EVER (in ALL EIGHTEEN YEARS of my doing this stuff) that the draft date wasn't nailed into place a couple/few months ahead of time (and that was partially a function of the "situation" with Doug, partially a function of where I was personally, and, in any event, it was nailed into place a good six weeks ahead of time, albeit in a bit of a frenzy), and that's usually a NIGHTMARE for me to get you guys thinking about it (as it was this year; look at the dates on the responses... and non-responses, so to speak). I usually start my hounding in April-May, which should be MORE than enough time, and don't, because of lack of response, get it hammered into place until June-July. But, I'm at work sending out e-mails, calling people and trying to rally the troops for a good three-four months at that point. Anyway, I couldn't agree more. Hammering it out at the prior year's draft isn't a bad idea. Though I don't know how practical that's going to end up being, but I am game to do so next year.
As for trades not going down this year at the draft, as Joe kind of noted, I think that's almost totally due to the fact that there weren't that many people together at the meeting this year. Whenever this was the case in the past, like my first year in Korea, very little in the way of trades occurred. If at all possible, attending the draft is key...
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