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rb worries...
« on: Aug 18th, 2004, 7:41pm » |
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i know you're getting sick of fielding jamal lewis questions - from me - but today's news was a little more concerning for people who aren't involved in law enforcement or the judicial system...after jamal & mcallister - i have duckett / d. foster / westbrook...question is: am i ok - or do i need to have my finger on the trigger for someone else - (unfortunately yet to be determined in many cases) - like Q. griffin (still avail in my league), m. pittman (who, if he can stay out of trouble, i think, is better than garner), t. wheatly (gasp, i don't want to think about it), c. brown (don't like the titans - but a starter is a starter now), or any good impressions on an under the radar guy that may still be avail...if you tell me not to worry about jamal again - and i got the impression MORT didn't seem worried - i'll stop asking rb questions and move on...thanks again,
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 10:17pm » |
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I agree with Jake and Phil. I do have to beg to differ with some of your perceptions, though, prm.
Chris Brown is a DEFINITE get, like Jake suggests. Though I like Brian Westbrook (have him in the GBRFL), T.J. Duckett and DeShaun Foster, I would take Brown over all of them.
Michael Pittman is not better than Charlie Garner. I wouldn't be surprised with the litany of running backs they have in Tampa if Pittman doesn't make final cuts.
You list Quentin Griffin first. I don't know if that means you like him most of the four you listed. If you do, dispel that notion now. Garrison Hearst, who led them in RB production in the Broncos second preseason game with 10 touches for 52 yards to Griffin's 9 for 44 and cannot be discounted, didn't play in the Hall of Fame Game and neither did Cecil Sapp, which put Griffin squarely in the limelight. And, all of a sudden fantasy footballers went gaga. Ultimately, all of those guys, the aforementioned and Mike Anderson and Ahmaad Galloway as well, have looked sharp during this preseason. And, in any event, Hearst is going to get his. This has RBBC written ALL over it, and I didn't even mention Tatum Bell. If you are on the Griffin bandwagon, get off it now before you have to jump off.
Tyrone Wheatley, who you don't want to think about, is a solid pickup right now. He fits Norv Turner's offense better than any of the others. He may not last the entire season because of his age and an injury or the team's desire to give a young guy a shot if they are out of the running, but he'll come out of the gate well.
I would rank the running backs in question here for this season as follows:
1) Brown, a slightly distant 2) Westbrook, 3) Wheatley, a fairly distant 4) Duckett, 5) Griffin, 6) Foster
Good luck, in any event, prm! 
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Re: rb worries...
« Reply #5 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 10:38pm » |
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on Aug 18th, 2004, 10:29pm, Philly wrote:| Saying that Griffin should not be considered legit because Hearst had one more carry and about 0.2 yards more per carry than Griffin is silly. |
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That's not what I am saying, though. My point was just more that Griffin, who everybody was going gaga over after their first preseason game in which Hearst did not even play, wasn't even the leading rusher or RB-producer in their second preseason game. I wasn't focusing on the difference, just the fact itself.
Quote:| If you were in need of a #2 guy for the first half of the season, then you could do a lot worse than Griffin. |
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A #2... top 20 to 24...  I would say a #3. 
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 8:56pm » |
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on Aug 19th, 2004, 8:33pm, prm wrote:| second, i appreciate stegrock's disagreement with me on pittman - but if he doesn't make the cut - it'll be more because of distraction than ability (i did not say potential - ..."a name for something you're not using")...were he focused (etherial, subjective, etc) - i would rather have a player of his ilk than garner...that being said there's no way to account for those things i mentioned - i just think he's tougher - and i'm old school... |
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But, Pittman's never done a damn thing in the NFL at least not fantasy-worthy, except disappoint (time after time), and he's surely had his chances. Also, mentality is part of the equation, a big part.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 20th, 2004, 8:27am » |
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on Aug 19th, 2004, 10:32pm, DOLFAN wrote:JAMAL LEWIS:
His stock keeps falling. This extra BS charge moves him down to #7 on my list now...thank goodness for him RWms quit or it would be lower. He is a SUPERSTUD, but based on total stats for the year i ahd to move him down. I also feel the trial, or worries of an eventual trial, will have some bearing on his focus/stats.
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I actually think Jamal will be a stud and that the impending trial won't affect his stats. The football field will be a great place for him to escape from the worries of the trial and a place for him to get his aggressions out (by running for 250 against the Browns, perhaps?). I'm not even that concerned about the trial causing him to miss a week or two mid season. It will be a good rest for his body for the stretch run. However, if he is found guilty... 
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 20th, 2004, 9:23pm » |
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You know you guys got me curious about this Jamal Lewis thing, and I'm kind of looking at the charges and the circumstances and it may be more serious than originally thought. See what you think:
Basically, he is being charged with conspiracy to 'possess with the intent to distribute' cocaine, (and some bullcrap thing about using a cell phone to do it). 'Conspiracy' in this context is meant to describe 'an agreement between two or more persons to engage in an unlawful act'.
The circumstances involve Jamal and one other person, a childhood friend named Angelo Jackson. In the summer of 2000, a government informant called Lewis on his cell phone and told him 'She was willing to sell Lewis's associates narcotics for a price that they could tax'......(Tax evidently is drug-dealer talk for a price low enough so that they could mark it up for profit). To which Lewis alledgedly responded 'Yeah'.
This informant then met Angelo Jackson at some restaurant and he was subsequently arrested some time later.
The things the government will need to prove are:
1) An agreement between Lewis and Jackson
Because these guys are childhood friends, there is at least circumstantial evidence that there was some sort of nexus between Lewis's acceptance on the phone and Jackson's attempt to procure the cocaine; plus (although this uses currently inadmissible statements) Jackson has admitted to have been reacting to a tip from Lewis on the potential deal, not good.
2) The intent by Jamal Lewis to possess cocaine for the purpose of selling it
This will be tougher, because normally it is required that Lewis will need to be guilty of having some sort of stake in the venture. I would imagine that this would require indisputable proof that Lewis himself profited from whatever drug business that Jackson was in and he had a personal interest in seeing the transaction succeed.
3) An overt act, by any of the conspirators, in futherance of the plan
This obviously happened when Jackson met the informant at the restaurant to discuss the purchase of the cocaine.
So if anything will save Jamal Lewis's butt, it's the #2 element where they need to prove a personal stake in the venture. It is also possible that he could use the defense of entrapment, depending on the specific tactics used by the government informant.
Just thought I'd share that, the bottom line is, if you have any reason to believe Jamal Lewis was somehow making money off drug transactions, draft Musa Smith in the 16th round.
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Re: rb worries...
« Reply #19 on: Aug 20th, 2004, 11:30pm » |
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on Aug 20th, 2004, 9:35pm, Callie wrote:| Why were the Cowboys so quick on the trigger, and why is the player's association reacting so much? |
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Like Callie said, Carter wasn't part of Parcell's plan and this was a good time to make an example.
The NFLPA had to act because they are the player's union. And after the last CBA they agreed to, they better jump whenever a player tells them to.
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 22nd, 2004, 10:10am » |
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on Aug 18th, 2004, 10:17pm, StegRock wrote:| You list Quentin Griffin first. I don't know if that means you like him most of the four you listed. If you do, dispel that notion now. Garrison Hearst, who led them in RB production in the Broncos second preseason game with 10 touches for 52 yards to Griffin's 9 for 44 and cannot be discounted, didn't play in the Hall of Fame Game and neither did Cecil Sapp, which put Griffin squarely in the limelight. |
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Just updating the numbers from Preseason Game #3...
Q. Griffin 14-55
G. Hearst 2-15
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Re: rb worries...
« Reply #23 on: Aug 22nd, 2004, 12:40pm » |
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Mind you, here, Phil,... I am assuming, and maybe incorrectly so, I suppose, that you are asserting that, based on those stat lines, Griffin has a leg up on Hearst (though I know you have been touting RBBC in Denver as have I). If you are not, then my bad.  Take my posts from a strictly objective perspective.
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So, let's apply the logic (I am guessing) you are asserting there, Phil, to these stat lines:
W. Parker - 12-71-1
J. Bettis - 10-48-1
D. Staley - 2-5-0
"W. Parker" looks to be the guy, and Bettis looks to have a leg up on Staley, huh? Of course, not!
Preseason stat lines mean little to nothing in the grand scheme of things; they are so "tailored to the team's specific 'situation'" and what they specifically are trying to "work out". Only skill itself can be assessed, not opportunity, and even that has to be done "relatively speaking", so to speak!
Oh, and by the way, let's fill out that box score a little better, in any event:
M. Anderson - 21-120-1
Q. Griffin - 14-55-0
G. Hearst - 2-15-0
And, NOT to mention 14-for-55 is not really that impressive from a yards-per-rush perspective, especially considering the fact that he had 1 rush for 18 yards.
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So, in conclusion, though my assumption about what you are asserting may be incorrect, I still think that not enough was put into your presentation there. Moreover, I suppose the proof is in the pudding... of my admitting that my assumption may be incorrect, i.e. showing that I'm not sure what the point you were trying to make is, if there even is a point, but that's hard to believe. There had to be some (greater) point to your post. Otherwise, what's "the point" in making the post?
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