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Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« on: Aug 19th, 2004, 2:00pm »
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We have a keeper league which allows you to keep two players, however keeping 2 means you lose picks in Rd1 & 2.  Keeping 1 means you lose your first pick.  I am picking 7th this year - should I keep the Harrison/Manning connection knowing full well I'll be running with some questionable characters at RB?  WR get 1 pt for every 15yrds, we also have yardage bonuses on TDs.
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #1 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 3:03pm »
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Hi Grasshopper,
 
That's kind of a difficult question, because you really need to consider who your opponents have decided to select as their keepers.
 
I would probably handle it this way, first of all we should assume that these guys are keepers, and won't be available to you anyway:
 
1st Tier
Priest Holmes  
LaDainian Tomlinson  
Clinton Portis
Ahman Green  
Shaun Alexander  
Deuce McAllister  
Jamal Lewis  
 
There is a slight possibility that these guys are available:
 
2nd Tier
Edgerrin James  
Fred Taylor  
Marshall Faulk  
 
There is a better possibility that these guys are available:
 
3rd Tier
Kevan Barlow  
Corey Dillon  
Domanick Davis  
Stephen Davis  
Travis Henry
 
If one of these guys from the 2nd or 3rd tier are dropped than you may consider dropping perhaps Manning (Obviously a tough choice, but you can recoup a QB of decent quality in later rounds more easily than a productive RB, and to a lesser extent a top-3 WR like Harrison)
 
Now, if none of the guys listed above are available, or one of them is available and you have concerns about him (i.e Marshall Faulk), then I would definitely hold onto Harrison and Manning and target one of these guys with your 3rd round pick:
 
Should be available in 3rd Round:
 
(I would target in this order)
Lee Suggs
Kevin Jones
Brian Westbrook
Thomas Jones
Micheal Bennett  
Julius Jones
Curtis Martin
Eddie George
 
Hope that helps !
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 3:15pm »
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Oh, I forgot to insert Chris Brown into that bottom list:
 
Lee Suggs  
Kevin Jones  
Chris Brown
Brian Westbrook  
Thomas Jones  
Micheal Bennett  
Julius Jones  
Curtis Martin  
Eddie George  
 
And also, if you decide to drop Manning, I would target Chad Pennington in the 3rd or 4th round.
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #3 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 3:33pm »
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Who are your current RBs?  Are any of them keeper quality?  Do RBs get 1 point per 15 yards rushing?  Do you get any extra points for receptions?
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #4 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 3:41pm »
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We haven't drafted yet, the only other players getting kept in our league are RBs:
 
Jamal Lewis
Edgerrin James
Priest
Fragile Freddy
Ahman Green
 
If I keep Marvin/Payton my first pick will be 27th
 
RBs are given 1pt for every 10 yrds, and also are awarded for any REC at the rate of 1pt for every 15yrds.  Most players in our league will go for 2RBs early but I also know Vick, Culpepper, Moss and Owens will probably go pretty early.  With the 7th pick and the kept players I'm not sure I can do better than Manning/Harrison as far as top 150 go...
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #5 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 4:29pm »
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on Aug 19th, 2004, 3:41pm, grasshopper wrote:
We haven't drafted yet, the only other players getting kept in our league are RBs:
 
Jamal Lewis
Edgerrin James
Priest
Fragile Freddy
Ahman Green

What I meant was do you have any RBs on your roster that you can keep?  If those are the only RBs being kept, then I would be tempted to keep nothing and go ahead and draft #7 in the first round.  You'll still get a quality back (Portis, McAllister, Alexander?) and a solid #2 RB (Barlow, Rudi, Dillon, Dom Davis) with your second round pick and then you can get decent QBs and WRs later in the draft.
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #6 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 4:42pm »
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I totally agree with Philly, if Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James  
Priest Holmes, Fred Taylor and Ahman Green are the only keepers, it makes sense to drop both Manning and Harrison to select Tomlinson, McAllister, Portis or Alexander with your first round pick.
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #7 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 5:07pm »
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I can keep Corey Dillon - would holding onto Marvin and Corey then be a better option - unfortunately with the 7th pick and only one keeper in the way before I pick I figure Tomlinson, McAllister, Portis and Alexander will all be gone before I get a shot at them but you never know...
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 5:50pm »
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Hey grasshopper,
 
Thanks for the compliment, you are too kind.
 
I would definitely hold on to Corey Dillon, and it probably makes sense to keep Harrison as well.  With your third round pick you might actually be able to pick up Peyton again (or Duante Culpepper perhaps ?), but if not then it makes sense to take the best available RB.  In your situation, you might be able to pick up Kevan Barlow or Lee Suggs, that would be a pretty strong base to build your team on.
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #9 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 7:05pm »
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First off, grasshopper, !  We are happy to have you frequenting our sites!
 
Other than that, I have little to add.  I think Jake hits the nail on the head with what he states...
 
on Aug 19th, 2004, 5:50pm, junkyardjake wrote:
I would definitely hold on to Corey Dillon, and it probably makes sense to keep Harrison as well.

 
I would consider keeping Manning over Harrison, though.  I guess it depends on the tendencies of the guys with whom you are playing and how well you know them.  That said, maybe your best bet is just to keep Dillon and let the cards fall where they may.  That way you don't have to get into predicting (now beforehand) who is better value in your league, Harrison or Manning, which really is a very close call.  I would think throwing Harrison and Manning back into the pool is VERY worth your EARLY second-round pick.  Actually, now, on second thought, is Dillon really worth the 7th pick overall?  Actually, not,... as Manning and Harrison too are not!  So, in conclusion my choices for what you should do presented in order:
 
1) Cut all three and proceed with your picks!
2) Keep only Dillon!
3) Keep Dillon and a) Manning or b) Harrison.
 
Good luck, whatever you do, friend! Lookin' forward to getting to know you!
 
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #10 on: Aug 20th, 2004, 8:28am »
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?  - rank my draft
« Reply #11 on: Aug 27th, 2004, 12:53pm »
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So I took your advice and put Manning/Harrison back in the pool.  Our league format requires you play:
 
1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 K, 1 DEF
 
Scoring:
 
QB passing 1pt for 20yrds - 6pts for TD + yardage bonus, -2 INT
RB rushing 1pt for 10yrds - 6pts for TD + yardage bonus, -2 fumble
WR receiving 1pt for 15yrds - 6pts for TD + yardage bonus, -2 fumble
K 3pts for FG + yardage bonus, -2 for a missed kick
DEF +2 for turnovers, +5 for safety, points against and yards against
 
Keeping in mind that Priest, Ahman Green, Edge, Jamal Lewis and Culpepper were kept and I picked 7th I took:
 
1. Kevan Barlow (best RB left by the time I drafted)
2. Randy Moss (yes!)
3. Brian Westbrook (I know Philly will like this one)
4. Laverneous Coles
5. Duce Staley (looked real good last night)
6. Jerry Porter
7. Tyrone Wheatley
8. Marc Bulger
9. BUCS D
10. Joey Galloway
11. Eddie Kennison  
12. Rich Gannon
13. Reggie Williams
14. Bryon Leftwich
15. RAMS D
16. Adam Vinatieri
 
Thanks for all your help!
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 27th, 2004, 1:08pm »
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Looks like a winning roster to me... Barlow/Westbrook/Staley/Wheatley are solid RBs.  You got 4 starters on their respective teams.  When Staley played on an offense in Philly that was pass-pass-pass-pass-oh, yeah, lets run one-pass-pass, he was still a marginal #3 FF RB at worst.  Now he is in an offense that wants to re-emphasize the run.  Wheatley is vastly underrated.  Westbrook is a very nice #2, however he WILL get injured at some point, but you're in good shape to deal with that.  Barlow is the SF offense right now.
 
The only thing I don't really like are your defenses.  I think the Bucs took a step backward in the off-season (so getting them in round 9 was expensive) and the Rams offense could give up big yards/points this season.  Just keep your eyes on the waiver wire for a decent defense that comes out of nowhere or play the matchups.
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Re: Manning/Harrison as keepers?
« Reply #13 on: Aug 27th, 2004, 3:43pm »
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Philly - any thoughts on who has the inside track for the #2 back in PHI?  Personally I don't believe that Levens can carry the load if Westbrook goes down - would they then go to RBBC scenario...
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Right now it looks like Westbrook will be the #1, but he has never had more than 15 carries in a game in the NFL.  I imagine they'll see if he can handle a max of 15 a game with Dorsey Levens coming in for short yardage and red zone.
 
If When Westbrook goes down, look for the Eagles to pass a LOT more.  They'll probably go to a RBBC then.  In my opinion, Levens is too old to carry the load, Mahe and McCoo aren't big enough to carry the load, and Tapeh is a rookie, so he won't get the call either.
 
So, there really isn't a handcuff to Westbrook (like Buckhalter would have been) at this point.  You'll just have to hope that Staley and Wheatley are enough.
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