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"Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« on: Jul 27th, 2003, 6:30pm » |
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Okay, guys, here is the thread to put comments on. This very first post is where I will maintain the cumulative running list of picks! Enjoy, and let's have fun with it!
"FantasyFootballer.com's Gridiron/Junkyard Jake's Top 100"
1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson - Chargers
2. RB Clinton Portis - Broncos
3. RB Ricky Williams - Dolphins
4. RB Priest Holmes - Chiefs
5. RB Shaun Alexander - Seahawks
6. RB Deuce McAllister - Saints
7. QB Michael Vick - Falcons
8. RB Travis Henry - Bills
9. RB Marshall Faulk - Rams
10. RB Jamal Lewis - Ravens
11. QB Donovan McNabb - Eagles
12. RB Edgerrin James - Colts
13. WR Marvin Harrison - Colts
14. QB Daunte Culpepper - Vikings
15. WR Terrell Owens - 49ers
16. RB Stephen Davis - Panthers
17. WR Randy Moss - Vikings
18. RB Corey Dillon - Bengals
19. RB William Green - Browns
20. RB Tiki Barber - Giants
21. RB Fred Taylor - Jaguars
22. WR Eric Moulds - Bills
23. QB Rich Gannon - Raiders
24. QB Peyton Manning - Colts
25. RB Curtis Martin - Jets
26. RB Ahman Green - Packers
27. QB Aaron Brooks - Saints
28. WR Joe Horn - Saints
29. WR Hines Ward - Steelers
30. RB Charlie Garner - Raiders
31. QB Brett Favre - Packers
32. RB Eddie George - Titans
33. WR David Boston - Chargers
34. WR Peerless Price - Falcons
35. TE Tony Gonzalez - Chiefs
36. WR Plaxico Burress - Steelers
37. RB T. J. Duckett - Falcons
38. WR Koren Robinson - Seahawks
39. WR Amani Toomer - Giants
40. TE Todd Heap - Ravens
41. WR Torry Holt - Rams
42. TE Jeremy Shockey - Giants
43. RB Kevan Barlow - 49ers
44. QB Jeff Garcia - 49ers
45. WR Keyshawn Johnson - Buccaneers
46. WR Chad Johnson - Bengals
47. QB Drew Bledsoe - Bills
48. QB Kurt Warner - Rams
49. WR Jerry Rice - Raiders
50. QB Trent Green - Chiefs
51. WR Donald Driver - Packers
52. RB Warrick Dunn - Falcons
53. WR Laveranues Coles - Redskins
54. WR Troy Brown - Patriots
55. WR Rod Smith - Broncos
56. WR Donte Stallworth - Saints
57. QB Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks
58. QB Kerry Collins - Giants
59. RB Anthony Thomas - Bears
60. QB Chad Pennington - Jets
61. WR Jimmy Smith - Jaguars
62. WR Derrick Mason - Titans
63. RB James Stewart - Lions
64. WR Isaac Bruce - Rams
65. WR Marty Booker - Bears
66. RB Onterrio Smith - Vikings
67. QB Jake Plummer - Broncos
68. RB Trung Canidate - Redskins
69. QB Tom Brady - Patriots
70. RB Correll Buckhalter - Eagles
71. RB Antowain Smith - Patriots
72. D/ST Tampa Bay Buccaneers
73. QB Brad Johnson - Buccaneers
74. WR Rod Gardner - Redskins
75. RB Amos Zereoue - Steelers
76. WR Quincy Morgan - Browns
77. QB Steve McNair - Titans
78. RB Stacey Mack - Texans
79. RB Jerome Bettis - Steelers
80. RB Garrison Hearst - 49ers
81. RB Troy Hambrick - Cowboys
82. TE Shannon Sharpe - Broncos
83. WR Charles Rogers - Lions
84. WR Travis Taylor - Ravens
85. RB Emmitt Smith - Cardinals
86. WR Ike Hilliard - Giants
87. RB Mike Alstott - Buccaneers
88. WR Jerry Porter - Raiders
89. QB Tommy Maddox - Steelers
90. PK David Akers - Eagles
91. WR Chris Chambers - Dolphins
92. TE Bubba Franks - Packers
93. RB Duce Staley - Eagles
94. D/ST Miami Dolphins
95. WR Darrell Jackson - Seahawks
96. WR Josh Reed - Bills
97. WR Curtis Conway - Jets
98. WR Eddie Kennison - Chiefs
99. RB Moe Williams - Vikings
100. QB Drew Brees - Chargers
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #2 on: Jul 27th, 2003, 8:26pm » |
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Well, "passing" on a RB, a QB taken in the top 10, a respite from the "RB run"!  
I, for one, think that Vick will lead the league this year in fantasy points in most systems. That having been said, based on the "theory of relativity" (of everything in the world), the RB's who went before him should have.
So far, so good!  Let's keep up the good work! 
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #3 on: Jul 27th, 2003, 8:36pm » |
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Guys,
PLEASE put 2 spaces after the number and the "dot" when making your picks. E.g.:
20.(2 SPACES)Blah, blah, blah
So, it should look like:
20. Blah, blah, blah
Thank you!
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #4 on: Jul 27th, 2003, 8:40pm » |
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on Jul 27th, 2003, 8:36pm, StegRock wrote:Guys,
PLEASE put 2 spaces after the number and the "dot" when making your picks. E.g.:
20.(2 SPACES)Blah, blah, blah
So, it should look like:
20. Blah, blah, blah
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Sorry... I figured you would want the position names aligned throughout the whole thread, hence two spaces after single digit picks and one space after double digit picks. 
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #7 on: Jul 27th, 2003, 11:04pm » |
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on Jul 27th, 2003, 8:36pm, StegRock wrote:Guys,
PLEASE put 2 spaces after the number and the "dot" when making your picks. E.g.:
20.(2 SPACES)Blah, blah, blah
So, it should look like:
20. Blah, blah, blah
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Thanks for understanding and complying WITH THE FORMAT (some of you  )!  And, thanks for the words of support on the Tiki pick, 420! He had to go soon there!
Lastly, yea, you guys made ME take the guy most of us here are dubious about, A. Green.  At #26, he had to go! But, my reservations regarding him remain firm.
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #10 on: Jul 28th, 2003, 12:57pm » |
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Quite the contrary, DOLFAN! I LOVE it! The show of independent and well-grounded FF thought is GREAT! I think where the guys are falling is  ! I'm with Philly  100% here! I don't want to provide yet another basically photocopied top 100.  If that were the case, we could just post links to other sites' cheatsheets. The "experts" have already weighed in... Now, it's "our" turn, the "people's" turn! So, with that said, GREAT job, guys! Keep at it!
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #11 on: Jul 28th, 2003, 1:10pm » |
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on Jul 28th, 2003, 12:01pm, DOLFAN wrote:I'm not certain this list in going in the manner that Stegey intended it to. I'm refering to the top 100 idea i mean in regards to at which pick a guy should go at. Comon Brett Favre before Jeff Garcia?? Martin and Fred Taylor before Ahman Green? Who's next MIchael Bennett?
Well at least i followed in the same train of thought. This is turning out to be a bit more of "where i hope/think" a player will produce. |
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MOREOVER, I just noticed, this bullshit coming from the guy who took T. J. Duckett with the 37th pick! Come on! Please tell me you did not do that because...  Notwithstanding what I stated above, I have to admit, that's a pretty poor pick. Moreover, if you are trying to make a "statement" about "something else", this is a childish place and way to do it! 
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #12 on: Jul 28th, 2003, 2:02pm » |
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Hey Guys,
I think the ranking is progressing well, even the TJ Duckett pick isn't really that outlandish if you think about it. He's second-string to midget Warrick Dunn, who can't possibly endure an entire season starting, and he will get easy TD plunges in what looks to be a fairly improved offense.
As far as Ahman Green going after Curtis Martin, why not ? Green has had only a few good seasons, while Martin has been a stud for just about his entire career. Throw in the fact that they are about the same age, and it's not unreasonable to believe that Martin is due for a bounce-back season and Green will continue to underperform.
Anyway, I think everyone's doing a good job, I agree this should not represent a carbon-copy of the same boiler-plate cheat-sheet you see everywhere. (So long as noone picks something crazy like Barry Sanders or Cris Carter, remember, those guys are playing shuffleboard now).
JYJ :^)
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #15 on: Jul 28th, 2003, 5:32pm » |
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on Jul 28th, 2003, 2:02pm, junkyardjake wrote:| As far as Ahman Green going after Curtis Martin, why not ? Green has had only a few good seasons, while Martin has been a stud for just about his entire career. Throw in the fact that they are about the same age, and it's not unreasonable to believe that Martin is due for a bounce-back season and Green will continue to underperform. |
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I agree with the sentiment there 100%, but I have to make a correction on point #2 of yours, brother. Curtis Martin is 30; Ahman Green is only 26. That's a significant age difference.
on Jul 28th, 2003, 2:14pm, Philly wrote:I have a question for ya Steg...
We are using the CBFL scoring system for this Huddle, correct?
Is it safe to assume, then, that NO defenses will be taken since even a solid defensive effort by a top Team D could result in negative scores?
Just wondered if that was your intent for this Top 100 list... |
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First, using the CBFL system is supposed to just be a "very loose" guideline. Point being, we are drafting according to a generic cumulative-points, performance scoring system. I kind of just meant to offer up the CBFL as an example of that.
Regarding your query about defenses specifically, don't just compare total points generated across the positions. "It's ALL relative", right? You have to compare defenses to other defenses and consider the differential, not just merely compare them alongside other positions as if they were all scored similarly. Defenses are very valuable, but scored in such a totally different way than QB's, RB's, WR's, and TE's that you just can't merely compare them side-by-side. You have to look at the differentials/deviations. I, for one, can see at least one defense's points differential compared to other defenses meriting its being selected in the top 100.  I do not see the same for kickers, though. The deviations are just too small and the category is just not worth that much.
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #18 on: Jul 28th, 2003, 8:42pm » |
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on Jul 28th, 2003, 2:02pm, junkyardjake wrote:
As far as Ahman Green going after Curtis Martin, why not ? Green has had only a few good seasons, while Martin has been a stud for just about his entire career. Throw in the fact that they are about the same age, and it's not unreasonable to believe that Martin is due for a bounce-back season and Green will continue to underperform.
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Martin will now be giving some touches to Jordan, or so say the Jets anyway. As far as Ahman "underperforming" , ok whatever, if 1175, 1387, and 1240 yds over the last 3 yrs is underperforming, then i will take 3 UNDERPERFORMING guys like that anytime. I will see ya in the Superbowl too. I agree that injuries are issues, but he still puts up the stats yr in and yr out. Either way the picks are made now, so lets just move on and see where these players end up.
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #22 on: Jul 29th, 2003, 12:12am » |
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on Jul 28th, 2003, 9:06pm, junkyardjake wrote:Steg,
So do you really think Jerry Rice has much left in the tank ?
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I think every year anymore should be assumed to be Jerry's last from the perspective of a keeper leaguer. But, I don't see any reason for Jerry not to continue in '03 the way he has over the past two years. There is no new reason this year as opposed to the last two to believe that he will drop off. Jerry Porter? Eh, he's being overrated. His real breakout season will probably be next year. Still, his continued progress this year will probably just open up the field more for Rice. I mean, whatever, all I have to say to those who think that Rice won't get his is .
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Re: "Huddle Top 100" Commentary Thread
« Reply #24 on: Jul 29th, 2003, 3:21pm » |
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on Jul 28th, 2003, 2:02pm, junkyardjake wrote:| I think the ranking is progressing well, even the TJ Duckett pick isn't really that outlandish if you think about it. He's second-string to midget Warrick Dunn, who can't possibly endure an entire season starting, and he will get easy TD plunges in what looks to be a fairly improved offense. |
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on Jul 28th, 2003, 2:16pm, Philly wrote:| Also, the Duckett pick wasn't awful. I think we'll see much better numbers from TJ this season. Granted, he probably went a bit earlier than I would have taken him,... |
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Jake, Phil, I appreciate whence you guys are coming. Here's what I don't like about the T. J. Duckett pick and it just hit me smack-dab in the head as I made pick #73 of this thing, ironically if you switch the numbers you get 37, the pick Duckett was taken at... When I make my picks, I consider, all things equal, whether or not I would trade the guy I am about to pick for other guys who would/should be ranked around that given area. I just look at T. J. Duckett and think I would NOT trade him "straight-up" and all things equal for the guy I just chose with the 73rd pick, Brad Johnson. Would you... all things equal? I can see Duckett's going ahead of Warrick Dunn, but, ultimately, Duckett should have gone around the area Dunn went, i.e., they should be in the same tier. His going 37th puts him into a higher tier he really does not belong in.
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