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« on: Jul 31st, 2003, 11:30pm »
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Well, guys, the GBRFL2 has finally arrived! I said yesterday that I would have this up by tomorrow and it looks like I am just going to make it under the wire.
 
PLEASE read this thoroughly if you are genuinely interested, which is what you should do if you are. Whether or not you join or are interested, reading this will be a learning experience in fantasy football philosophy, in any case.
 
I am going to take this opportunity to introduce the league and answer some of the questions that had been raised on the "Looking for a league" thread, particularly those regarding the scoring format, which, again, can be viewed at
the Scoring page,
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/scoring.htm,
and can be extrapolated by way of a spreadsheet I have made available to you all on-line at:
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/spreadsheets/Week15-3.xls.
 
The GBRFL scoring/game format is (oxymoronically, as it was implied by one of our former members, a jackass) "head-to-head rotisserie-style", vis-a-vis "fantasy points" head-to-head or otherwise, in that the two teams in a game compete for a fixed amount of category-based points, along with fixed bonus levels.  Fixed points are not just a, or what amounts to a, sum total of your stats or whatever proportions thereof like what a fantasy points system produces.  The GBRFL system requires more of a "team effort", so to speak, in that the impact of a "freak" MONSTER performance is mitigated, at least as compared to its affect in a fantasy points system.  Okay, enough sales pitch!  Here is how the enigmatic, but actually rather straightforward and simple, GBRFL "head-to-head, roto-style" system works...
 
Let's use QB's, of which you start two, as our example -
 
Let's say Team A is playing Team B -
 
It is Week 15 (2002);
Team A has Kerry Collins and Trent Green;
Team B has Peyton Manning and Mark Brunell;
 
Stats are as follows -
Team A
Kerry Collins 13-for-27 / 190 yards / 0 TD's / 0 Int's / 2 Rushes / -1 Yards / 0 TD's
Trent Green 18-for-42 / 310 / 2 / 0 / 2 / 9 / 0
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Team B
Mark Brunell 19-for-28 / 223 / 3 / 0 / 3 / 7 / 0
Peyton Manning 20-for-34 / 277 / 2 / 1 / 6 / 24 / 0
 
Neither team had any other pass attempts from any other position players.
 
In this case,
Team A has a 44.9% Completion Percentage, 500 Passing Yards, 2 Passing TD's, and 0 Int's;
Team B has a 62.9% Completion Percentage, 500 Passing Yards, 5 Passing TD's, and 1 Int.
 
So (as per the chart on the "Scoring" page linked to above), the score is...
Team A - 2 = the (2 pt.) "head-to-head" category Fewer Int's
Team B - 10 = the "head-to-head" categories Passing TD's (6 pts.) and Completion % (2 pts.) and the (2 pt.) "bonus" category for Completion % >/= 60.0%
 
The (6 pt.) "head-to-head" category Passing Yards was (unbelievably) tied 500 to 500, and neither of the "bonus" categories for Passing Yards >/= 550 (2 pts.) or Passing TD's >/= 6 (2 pts.) were achieved.
 
Of note, "bonus" points are awarded irrespective of the winner of the according "head-to-head" category, e.g., if one team had 7 TD's passing and the other 6, both teams would receive the 2 pt. bonus for "Passing TD's >/= 6"; the team with 7 would win the 6 "head-to-head" pts.
 
The rushing stats and any others, like if they happened to catch a pass or kick a field goal, of these QB's would be awarded in the respective categorical area:  Rushing, Receiving, Kicking, and "2 pt. Conversions" and "Fumbles Lost" (a newly added category for 2003) are awarded on a cumulative basis (again, see the "Scoring" page for details).
 
All positions, QB, RB, RC (that is "Receiver", including both WR's and TE's), PK, and DU (that is "Defensive Unit" and special teams) are awarded points according to the points categories, Passing, Rushing, Receiving, Kicking, Cumulative Offense ("2 pt. Conversions" and the newly added "Fumbles Lost"), and Defense/Special Teams, in the same pattern as the example above for Passing.
 
Again, given this explanation, if you NOW look at the "Scoring" page and the spreadsheet linked to above, you should be able to grok it.  In any event, quite frankly speaking, if you are not willing to take the time to do some figuring out here on your own, THIS LEAGUE IS PROBABLY NOT FOR YOU.  It's kind of a "proof in the pudding" type thing.
 
Moving right along, given this type of system, you can see how the value of "rushing" QB's like Michael Vick is accounted for MUCH more appropriately.  In such a system, you are not put in the "matter-of-fact" situation of rooting for your QB to rush rather than pass (as we discussed on the "Looking for a league" thread).  As a "matter of fact", he actually needs to take care of his primary "duties/function" as a passer first.  The rushing is a nice bonus, but you don't want to lose the passing categories at that expense.  You can also see how a HUGE MONSTER week is not necessarily going to make you unbeatable.  It may allow you to dominate one category, but you still have to deal with ALL the others.  Also, this "rotisserie-type" set-up permits categories based on averages and percentages like "% of Completions", "Yards-per-Rush", and "Yards-per-Reception", which are VERY important, to be readily incorporated, unlike a fantasy points system.
 
One other note, though RB's, like in most fantasy leagues, are VERY valuable, especially since you have to start THREE in the GBRFL, and this will probably be a 10-team league, there are actually more points available in the "Receiving" category area and you have to start TWO QB's.   Point being, the three main positions, QB, RB and RC, are a little more equally valued in the GBRFL system, a system which, by the way, actually dates back to the 80's.
 
On that last note, back to some general stuff, let's organize our perception/understanding of fantasy football leagues of today.  They are predominantly, basically always, "fantasy points" leagues; under that overlying blanket, there are "head-to-head" leagues and "cumulative points" leagues; then, beyond that, there are "TD-only" and "total performance" leagues.  For example, the CBFL is a "fantasy points (obviously), cumulative points, total performance" league, probably the second-most prevalent kind of league these days.  WHEREAS, with the GBRFL, you have to think "out of the box" as it is NOT a "fantasy points" league.  Its "rotisserie-ishness" presents a further challenge to GBRFLers.
 
Next, back to a few other GBRFL specifics worthy of note,
 
  • Regarding drafting, since this is a DEEP 12-man keeper league, there will be only ONE 21-round "origination" draft; in following years, we will just conduct 9-round, "worst-to-first re-stocking" drafts; as such, for this one "origination" draft we are going to use the method I propose on the following thread:
    http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=56;a ction=display;num=1057867847;
    so that the 21st round does not result in a de facto ascending advantage based on draft position, I will pick out of a hat which one of the 10 patterns will be used for that final round; other than all of that, you can select players in any order, i.e. there is no set order based on position, and there are no restrictions on how many players you can draft at any particular position; just make sure to fill up your lineup.
  • Regarding the schedule, THERE ARE NO PLAYOFFS, so every week is as important as the next; final standings and the championship are determined according to your win-loss record and a series of tie-breaks, information on which can be found at:
    http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/schedule.htm;
    you will have one bonus game on some weeks, making for a 29-game season; there are games ALL 17 weeks, culminating in a bowling league-style "Bumper Week" Week 17.

 
FINALLY, for some general things that should be understood by those interested in making the plunge:
  • I will NOT be playing in the league; I will not be the commissioner/administrator of the league, i.e., I will not run the stats; one of you will have to fulfill that role; I will provide the spreadsheet and the weekly stats to that person, and this year's version of the sheet should make things very easy as our esteemed member bgsgfan had done work on better automating it; I will, however, run the web site for you guys, so the protocol will be for your commissioner/administrator to send the spreadsheets to me and then I will update the site accordingly.
  • Officially, this is a free league for which there is no prize money to be awarded; if you guys want to organize something along those lines yourselves, do so, but NOT explicitly at this site; I will not "officially" or directly endorse gambling of any kind here; I will, however, offer up to you guys what I do for my buddies in the original GBRFL, which is to award plaques to the 1st Place/League Champion, 2nd Place and 3rd Place teams; if you guys want to do that, I will probably have to charge $30 each (I charge my guys $40) to cover the plaque and mailing costs.
  • YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO MAKE A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT; THIS IS A DEEP KEEPER LEAGUE, WHICH WILL BECOME A FEATURE AT THIS SITE, SO THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE REALLY GOING TO BE INTO IT AND MAKE IT A HIGH-PRIORITY LEAGUE!
  • FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, YOU GUYS WILL NOT HAVE ANY "OFFICIAL" SAY IN THINGS IN THE EARLY YEARS BESIDES JUST EXPRESSING OPINION; YOU WILL PLAY ACCORDING TO THE SAME GUIDELINES AND RULES OF THE ORIGINAL GBRFL; after a few years of getting to know and understand the system and after it is clear that we have 10 die-hard fantasy footballers in for the LONG HAUL, we will evaluate how to incorporate the GBRFL2 in the "official" decision-making process.
  • YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A PHONE NUMBER!

 
Again, EVERYTHING should be able to be answered either herein or at the site.  So, visit the site; read through this post with due scrutiny; use your noggin, and PLEASE try to keep the individual questions to a minimum.  They REALLY slow up progress.  Doing that, in and of itself, illustrates your commitment to and interest in joining the GBRFL2!
 
And, there ya's have it, finally!  I hope it was, is and will be worth the wait. :whew:
 
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 11:52pm »
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Hell yeah! I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Thanks for laying all the groundwork Steg, you are the man! I'll be doing a lot of "studying" this wekend and I'm going to figure out exactly how everything works.  
 
I will help the league in any way I can. You need a commissioner? I'll do it. You want a scorekeeper? I'm on it. I can't wait to get this thing started! Thanks again.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 12:53am »
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As mentioned before... I'm in.
 
How/when are we going to do this draft?
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 2:04am »
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I am in as well...
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 6:55am »
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I am in... as long as I will be able to do the timing of the draft.  I did not see anything above that talked about the timing of the draft (both in the sense of when and how).
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 8:42am »
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Question...
 
The Head Coach... is he ONLY used in the event of the first tiebreaker?
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 11:02am »
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 8:42am, Philly wrote:
Question...
 
The Head Coach... is he ONLY used in the event of the first tiebreaker?

 
 
You got it!  Only as a tie breaker!!!  
 
As a member of the ORIGINAL  GBRFL, I would be happy to answer any questions, shed any insight, or help with strategy.  (I must admit, I have been in the league 3 years and still haven't won, or even come close.  BUT, I have turned the inherited team I got and in now on the verge of breakout.)  
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 12:47pm »
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I am in as well and I look forward to getting this started and to know you guys!!
 
 
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 4:24pm »
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 12:53am, Philly wrote:
As mentioned before... I'm in.
 
How/when are we going to do this draft?

 
As for the how, after we get all the participants "well" established, I will open up a GBRFL2 board in the "Associated Leagues" section.  The draft will be conducted on-line there, similar to the CBFL one, e.g.  As for the when, that will be up to you guys.  You guys can decide that amongst yourselves irrespective of me as I will not be drafting.  That's ALL you!
 
on Aug 1st, 2003, 8:42am, Philly wrote:
Question...
 
The Head Coach... is he ONLY used in the event of the first tiebreaker?

 
Also, you don't "draft" your "Head Coach" during the regular rounds.  It's done afterwards in a "special" way.  Not very important now!  To be continued...
 
...
 
So, let's start getting the list here together.  Based on e-mails I have received and posts herein, the DEFINITES thus far are:
 
Walker Boh - Jamie
Philly - Jeff
BarnabyWilde - Jim
bgsgfan - Jeremy
The Juror - Keith
 
Therefore, at this point, there are, "officially" at least, still 5 SPOTS open.  Out of respect for time here, as people need to organize their Augusts, I am sure, I am going to go ahead and send a second wave of e-mails right now to some others who have either expressed specific interest in the GBRFL2 or deserve an invitation based on their participation here.  After that, if need be, I will open it up to the general population on "the Gridiron".  Regarding the guys getting these e-mails, I will still give special consideration to the guys who were on the short list for the first e-mail, but I would say it's pretty much first-come-first-serve at this point regarding the guys getting these e-mails.  So, if you want in, PLEASE express your interest ONE MORE TIME HERE!  Thank you!
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The verdict is in.....The Juror is on board.
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 11:02am, DirkDiggler wrote:
I have been in the (GBRFL) 3 years and still haven't won, or even come close.  BUT, I have turned the inherited team I got and in now on the verge of breakout.

 
Yea, after finishing 9th out of 10 teams last year, the worst that "franchise" has ever finished.  Thank God for "expansion Doug", right?
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Who are the nine runner ups in this thing?  
 
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 1st, 2003, 7:49pm »
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Updated member list...
 
Walker Boh - Jamie
Philly - Jeff
BarnabyWilde - Jim
bgsgfan - Jeremy
The Juror - Keith
FourTwoOh - Kirk
 
Now, could we get a guy with a name NOT beginning with a J er K?
 
FOUR SPOTS LEFT!
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 7:03pm, StegRock wrote:

 
Yea, after finishing 9th out of 10 teams last year, the worst that "franchise" has ever finished.  Thank God for "expansion Doug", right?

 
 
Yep.....and even HE beat me.  Ugh....last year was a rough year!!
 
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Well since my name is Tony...........and it doesn't start with a "j" or a "k"..........I guess i'm in!
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 4:24pm, StegRock wrote:

Also, you don't "draft" your "Head Coach" during the regular rounds.  It's done afterwards in a "special" way.  Not very important now!  To be continued...

 
Doh!  I must've missed that in the rules.  Sorry... I'll read them again, more carefully this time.
 
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on Aug 1st, 2003, 10:59pm, Philly wrote:
Doh!  I must've missed that in the rules.  Sorry... I'll read them again, more carefully this time.
 

 
Don't waste your time!  I'm pretty sure it's not there.  It's just passed-down tradition!
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 2nd, 2003, 3:01pm »
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Sup all! i've been a little busy the last day or so- -but I am definitely in! sounds cool
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If a rb/rc throws 1 pass in a given game and it is complete, does he score the 2 point bonus for => 60% completion bonus? Or is his completion, or incompletion fo that matter, factored in as a cummlativestat with the qb's? Thanks
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KJ 76 is out of commishion in Spain........wonder when he comes back.
 
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on Aug 3rd, 2003, 3:01pm, FourTwoOh wrote:
Or is his completion, or incompletion fo that matter, factored in as a cummlativestat with the qb's?

 
Yes!
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on Aug 3rd, 2003, 3:53pm, DirkDiggler wrote:
KJ 76 is out of commishion in Spain........wonder when he comes back.
 

 
I think he comes back on the 28th of August, so if we're drafting before then, he won't be able to participate.
 
Which reminds me, I need to see who is missing from his league and search for replacements there too.  
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Updated member list...
 
Walker Boh - Jamie
Philly - Jeff
BarnabyWilde - Jim
bgsgfan - Jeremy
The Juror - Keith
FourTwoOh - Kirk
Tony_O - Tony
 
Now, we got J's, K's, and this "O(h)" thing goin' on!
 
At any rate,... ONLY THREE SPOTS LEFT!
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I'm in and I'm ready to rock!
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Updated member list...
 
Walker Boh - Jamie
Philly - Jeff
BarnabyWilde - Jim
bgsgfan - Jeremy
The Juror - Keith
FourTwoOh - Kirk
Tony_O - Tony
Primetime - Gene
 
ONLY 2 SPOTS LEFT!
 
Also of note, we just conducted our re-stocking draft for '03 this past weekend and the GBRFL site has been updated accordingly.  The site is located at:
 
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/gbrfl/.
 
You may want to check out the "Rosters", "Transactions" and "2003 Draft" pages to further get a feel for things.  The "2003 Draft" page is available via the "Transactions" page.
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