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2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commentary
« on: Apr 14th, 2004, 1:13am » |
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This is where to put your comments and conduct discussion on our NFL Mock Draft, fellas!
Comprehensive list:
1. San Diego Chargers - Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss
2. Oakland Raiders - Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
3. Arizona Cardinals - Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami of Ohio
4. New York Giants - Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
5. Washington Redskins - Sean Taylor, S, Univ of Miami
6. Detroit Lions - Kenechi Udeze, DE, USC
7. Cleveland Browns - Kellen Winslow, Jr., TE, Univ of Miami
8. Atlanta Falcons - Roy Williams, WR, Texas
9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Mike Williams, WR, USC
10. Houston Texans - Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
11. Pittsburgh Steelers - DeAngelo Hall, CB, Virginia Tech
12. New York Jets - Vince Wilfork, DT, Univ of Miami
13. Buffalo Bills - Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio St
14. Chicago Bears - Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
15. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
16. San Francisco 49ers - Dunta Robinson, CB, Univ of South Carolina
17. Denver Broncos - Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St
18. New Orleans Saints - DJ Williams, LB, Univ of Miami
19. Minnesota Vikings - Will Smith, DE, Ohio St
20. Miami Dolphins - Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England Patroits - Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
22. Dallas Cowboys - Vernon Carey, OL, Univ of Miami
23. Seattle Seahawks - Jonathon Vilma, LB, Univ of Miami
24. Cincinnati Bengals - Will Poole, CB, USC
25. Green Bay Packers - Philip Rivers, QB, NC State
26. St. Louis Rams - Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
27. Tennessee Titans - Donnell Washington, DT, Clemson
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Darnell Dockett, DT, Florida State
29. Indianapolis Colts - Karlos Dansby, LB, Auburn
30. Kansas City Chiefs - Rashaun Woods, WR, Oklahoma St.
31. Carolina Panthers - Lee Evans, WR, Wisconsin
32. New England Patriots - Daryl Smith, LB, Georgia Tech
33. Arizona Cardinals - Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma
34. New York Giants - Justin Smiley, OG, Alabama
35. San Diego Chargers - Marcus Tubbs, DT, Texas
36. Detriot Lions - Chris Perry, RB, Michigan
37. Cleveland Browns - Jacob Rogers, OT, USC
38. Atlanta Falcons - Ahmad Carroll, CB, Arkansas
39. Jacksonville Jaguars - Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama
40. Houston Texans - Nat Dorsey, OT, Georgia Tech
41. Denver Broncos - Ben Watson, TE, Georgia
42. Tennessee Titans - Marquise Hill, DE, LSU
43. Buffalo Bills - J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
44. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan
45. Oakland Raiders - Greg Jones, RB, Florida St.
46. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Clayton, WR, LSU
47. Chicago Bears - Ricardo Colclough, CB, Tusculum
48. New Orleans - Keith Smith, CB, McNeese St.
49. Cincinnati Bengals - Dwan Edwards, DT, Oregon St.
50. Minnesota Vikings - Michael Boulware, LB, Florida St.
51. Baltimore Ravens - Devery Henderson, WR, LSU
52. Dallas Cowboys - Shawntae Spencer, Cb, Pittsburgh
53. Seattle Seahawks - Igor Olshansky, DT, Oregon
54. Denver Broncos - Michael Jenkins, WR, Ohio St.
55. Green Bay Packers - Matt Ware, CB, UCLA
56. New England Patriots - Chris Snee, G, Boston College
57. Tennessee Titans - Teddy Lehman, LB, Oklahoma
58. Philadelphia Eagles - Dontarrious Thomas, LB, Auburn
59. Indianapolis Colts - Jeremy LeSueur, CB, Michigan
60. New Orleans Saints - Isaac Sopoaga, DT, Hawaii
61. Kansas City Chiefs - Joey Thomas, CB, Montana St.
62. Carolina Panthers - Sean Jones, FS, Georgia
63. New England Patriots - Courtney Watson, LB, Notre Dame
64. Arizona Cardinals - Terry Johnson, DT, Washington
65. New York Giants - Matt Schaub, QB, Virginia
66. San Diego Chargers - Keary Colbert, WR, USC
67. Oakland Raiders - Demorrio Williams, LB, Nebraska
68. Cleveland Browns - Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech
69. Atlanta Falcons - Matthias Askew, DT, Michigan St
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #7 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 10:25am » |
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on Apr 15th, 2004, 10:06am, DirkDiggler wrote:
The biggest surprise in my mind was the pick made by Philly. Pittsburgh not taking Phillip Rivers shocked me.
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Rivers is an option, and I considered him, but I thought that DeAngelo Hall was just too good to pass up at #11. The Steelers certainly need a stud CB, and Hall is the highest rated one. I could see the Steelers possibly moving up to grab Roethlisberger (who I don't think will go to Arizona) or moving down to select Rivers later in the round.
Quote:| It makes the pick for the Bills pretty easy.....Phillip Rivers. |
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Again, a nice possibility for the Bills.
Quote:| I have the Jets taking Wilfork. Going with best player on the board strategy. Not a need, but I see the Jets trading out if it stands like this. Cause the depth at corner in this draft is HUGE. |
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Wilfork is a stud, but they traded up to get a DT last year, so they might be more interested in grabbing a CB here. Remember that Coach Herm Edwards is a former DB himself and is rumored to really like Chris Gamble (plus Dunta Robinson is climbing the boards quickly too)...
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #8 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 12:18pm » |
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on Apr 15th, 2004, 10:17am, bakes781 wrote:| With the loss of Winfield, I felt Gamble was the perfect fit. Vincent's best years are behind him & the Bills seem to have a fondness for Buckeye CBs. |
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Quote:| Besides I'm not so sure the Bill's front office is ready to admit to their fans that they made a mistake with Bledsoe. |
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I'm just trying to figure out how this second part fits/helps your argument, logically. Does it? Or, was it just a parting potshot from a Patriots fan?  ... 
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #9 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 12:44pm » |
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on Apr 15th, 2004, 12:18pm, StegRock wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out how this second part fits/helps your argument, logically. Does it? |
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Well when making the selection for an NFL team I'm trying to look at it through their eyes. They've invested a boat load of money in the idea that Drew is their franchise QB. My theory is that things seem to always happen in 3s. So I am thinking they wanna give it one more year before they decide whether or not they have to rethink that idea.
on Apr 15th, 2004, 12:18pm, StegRock wrote:
Or, was it just a parting potshot from a Patriots fan? ... |
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Actually I'm in the minority on Bledsoe. I liked him while he was here. On the other hand, it is painfully clear that Drew & QBs of his type are not made to last in this era of football.
So perhaps I did contradict myself. I just feel Buffalo has invested far too much to be willing to throw it all away after only 2 seasons.
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #10 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 1:10pm » |
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on Apr 15th, 2004, 12:44pm, bakes781 wrote:
Actually I'm in the minority on Bledsoe. I liked him while he was here. On the other hand, it is painfully clear that Drew & QBs of his type are not made to last in this era of football.
So perhaps I did contradict myself. I just feel Buffalo has invested far too much to be willing to throw it all away after only 2 seasons.
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I don't think you contradicted yourself. I understood your thinking.(scarey)
With that being said, I see Rivers as the QB of the future in Buffalo. He can sit behind Bledsoe for a year, year and half getting ready to be the main man.
To be honest, I really hate my pick of Wilfork by the Jets. I don't think they would take him. However, I don't the Jets staying where they are given the way our draft played out. IMO they would trade down since there is not much difference between Hall, Gamble, Smith, etc at the cornerback position. So, going by best player on the board, it is actually a good VALUE pick.
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #11 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 1:11pm » |
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...And, thus, you don't have them selecting a quarterback! Gotchya, bakes! That implicit possibility was not made explicit enough for me to follow. It went by me too fast.  No flaw or contradiction at all in your logic, in any case, bakes. Maybe a bit over-concise in your initial explanation, a bit of a leap in logic perhaps, leaving too much between the lines for us under-informed to have to read, but your ultimate reasoning, at least, is solid. 
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #13 on: Apr 15th, 2004, 1:42pm » |
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Number 14 to the Bears was a tough one. Wilfork was their #1 choice, but he went earleir than they expected.
So, the question was to go best player available (Will Smith?) or draft for need. Since they missed out on Wilfork, they could consider trading down a few spots to a team interested in a DE or even Philip Rivers at QB.
But Randy Starks is a very solid DT and it is a position of definite need. Brian Urlacher is a great MLB, but only when he has blockers in front of him. He's too small to work off of blocks and needs open space to make plays (like he did when he had Ted Washington and Keith Traylor in front of him in 2001).
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #22 on: Apr 16th, 2004, 10:40pm » |
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on Apr 16th, 2004, 10:03pm, Mossaholic wrote:| I went ahead and picked Will Smith For the Vikings. I hope I did not step on anyone's toes. |
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NOT AT ALL, Mossman! Everybody (knowledgable of this stuff, which does not include me  ) is WELCOME to join in! Just don't go twice in a row! Preferably, wait for two dudes to go before going again.
"That's all, folks!"- Enjoy! 
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #23 on: Apr 17th, 2004, 1:11am » |
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on Apr 16th, 2004, 10:12pm, Philly wrote:
You better check with Mike Tice... but I think he'd be VERY happy with your decision. |
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I just called Mike he said, "whatever" he was cool with it. 
Quote:NOT AT ALL, Mossman! Everybody (knowledgable of this stuff, which does not include me ) is WELCOME to join in! Just don't go twice in a row! Preferably, wait for two dudes to go before going again.
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Thanks Steg. I guess I could Have read the rules on the mock draft thread before posting those replies .
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Re: 2004 NFL Mock Draft on "the Gridiron" - Commen
« Reply #24 on: Apr 17th, 2004, 1:30am » |
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No prob, Mossman!
By the way, fellas, a heads up, I've got bakes's next pick for his beloved  Patriots at #21 if we get it there this weekend.  -"So, let's move it!"  ...
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Remember there is no rush. Go as far as you can. You've got 10 days. I'd love to see this thing go for FOUR or so rounds! 
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but can I suggest Will Smith, the obvious choice. I can't believe he is still available and would be a dream for the Vikes if he fell to 19 
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conviction and his suspension to follow.