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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #2 on: Apr 17th, 2005, 9:56am » |
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#2 Dolphins
The second pick seems to be one that could really go any number of directions. Running back is clearly a need for the Dolphins, after the disaster they have had in Ricky Williams, trading for Lamar Gordon(giving up a 3rd rounder), Sammy Morris, Travis Minor, and who can forget the Brock Forsey experiment. Any team that has to let Brock Forsey get carries clearly needs a RB. They could also use a QB since their depth chart is Feely and Frerrotte.
However, back is the biggest need. The question then emerges, which back to take? Ronnie Brown has seemed to emerge as the #1 guy.
HOWEVER, is there really that big a difference between Brown, Carnell Williams, and Cedric Benson? NO! So I would not be surprised at all to see the Dolphins move down to as low as #6.
They may move even lower if they can obtain the services of Edge or Shaun Alexanander.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #3 on: Apr 17th, 2005, 3:14pm » |
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Either Braylon Edwards or Alex Smith will go in this spot to the Brownies.
I took Alex because they definitely need a QB. I don't believe McCown is the long term answer and Dilfer is nothing but an obvious, fill-in for now
However if they do decide to go with Braylon then, there are plenty of QBs in the 2006 & 07 draft to choose from not to mention - IMO - plenty of DEPTH at the QB position THIS year.
Regardless, I don't believe Alex Smith is ready to become a starter this year. The Browns not only brought in Dilfer for a "quick-fix" NOW but also, they want to use his experience as a grooming tool to bring along their future "air-affair".
BUT, I do think that Cleveland has the CHANCE to trade down if Alex Smith falls to him here - which really - the way THIS MOCK is going - I believe that Miami would have done so with the 2nd over-all pick in lue of taking Ronnie Brown at that spot and in cohesion with Tampa Bay - that being - Tampa moving up to the #2 spot to nab A.Smith and Miami getting Tampa's #5 and an extra pick thereafter.
If thats the case, Cleveland would take Braylon.
Finally, another interesting point i would like to make that has absolutely nothing to do with the #2 pick but rather - it involves the the Cowboys & the Eagles at the #11 spot.
The Eagles have been rumored to like DeMarcus Ware, the super-hybrid DE-OLB and one of the most fastest rising players in this draft whose potential mercury-like accension up most all NFL draft boards could be considered paralell to his blazing blitz speed off the edge in a draft that by way of the combine, seems to lack "true-elite-edge" speed at this position.
The Cowboys on the other hand, have thrown out all types of smoke screens regarding what their draft plans encompass at this point.
One of those smoke screens would be to trade out of their #11 spot for extra picks.
Another Cowboy rumor is that they like Shawne Merriman, another super-hybrid OLB/DE with off-the chart like workout numbers.
Its no secret that Bill Parcells LOVES SIZE and is in need of a bigger LB so, the above rumor makes sense but, NOW what I am hearing is that the Cowboy's head coach likes D.Ware just a "hair" bit more than Merriman.
If this is true and the Eagles, who also like D.Ware alot, might be in position to trade up with the Cowboys to get D.Ware and in the process, fulfillinmg one of the Cowboy smoke screens for extra draft picks.
Remember, Darren Howard, the Saint's DE/DT has been sought after by the Cowboys since free agency and maybe with the "Boys" getting extra picks from the Eagles - they might be able to supply the Saints with some ammunition in order to get Howard into Dallas.
Interesting story-line nonetheless.
And also, I would watch for the Atlanta Falcons to also make a run at moving up to this spot to acquire perhaps, Troy Williamson the lightning fast WR with very good size that has the potential talent to give cornerbacks a bad name in the NFL.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #4 on: Apr 17th, 2005, 3:41pm » |
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It is interesting that a draft that does not have any real standout players(clear number #1, #2, etc.) may induce more trades than you have seen in a long time. There are a TON of rumors out there about possible trade talks of picks. 49ers with Vikings and Bears, Dolphins with Bucs, Cleveland with Vikings, Chicago with anyone, Cowboys with Eagles, etc... etc... etc.... In addition to all these talks for just swap of picks, you gotta consider all the studs that can be had for draft pics this year. Woodson, Edge, Alexander, Howard, Simon, etc..... Gonna be an exciting draft to watch!!
As Killer alluded to in his post, this draft is where teams are coveting certain players. The strange thing is that other teams have the same players much lower on the draft board. I think this draft will play out as more teams drafting "for need" vs. "best player on the board".
Only time will tell.........
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #5 on: Apr 17th, 2005, 3:44pm » |
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on Apr 17th, 2005, 3:14pm, KillerKingSting wrote:Either Braylon Edwards or Alex Smith will go in this spot to the Brownies.
I took Alex because they definitely need a QB. I don't believe McCown is the long term answer and Dilfer is nothing but an obvious, fill-in for now
However if they do decide to go with Braylon then, there are plenty of QBs in the 2006 & 07 draft to choose from not to mention - IMO - plenty of DEPTH at the QB position THIS year.
Regardless, I don't believe Alex Smith is ready to become a starter this year. The Browns not only brought in Dilfer for a "quick-fix" NOW but also, they want to use his experience as a grooming tool to bring along their future "air-affair".
BUT, I do think that Cleveland has the CHANCE to trade down if Alex Smith falls to him here - which really - the way THIS MOCK is going - I believe that Miami would have done so with the 2nd over-all pick in lue of taking Ronnie Brown at that spot and in cohesion with Tampa Bay - that being - Tampa moving up to the #2 spot to nab A.Smith and Miami getting Tampa's #5 and an extra pick thereafter.
If thats the case, Cleveland would take Braylon.
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The way this draft is going, Chicago just became extremely happy!! The player they really wanted fell to them. They need a receiver desperately.......
By the way, the way this draft is going is not that far fetched. It is a real possibility.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #6 on: Apr 17th, 2005, 5:36pm » |
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on Apr 17th, 2005, 3:41pm, DirkDiggler wrote:It is interesting that a draft that does not have any real standout players(clear number #1, #2, etc.) may induce more trades than you have seen in a long time. There are a TON of rumors out there about possible trade talks of picks. 49ers with Vikings and Bears, Dolphins with Bucs, Cleveland with Vikings, Chicago with anyone, Cowboys with Eagles, etc... etc... etc.... In addition to all these talks for just swap of picks, you gotta consider all the studs that can be had for draft pics this year. Woodson, Edge, Alexander, Howard, Simon, etc..... Gonna be an exciting draft to watch!!
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you got it! this is going to be very exciting! so much mystery and so much talent (deep draft),.............I can't wait!
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #8 on: Apr 18th, 2005, 12:06pm » |
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#6 Titans
If there is any team in the top ten that trades down, I would rank the Titans as the #1. Why? Because a LOT of good players are still available. (Mike Williams and the top defensive players.) Any team that wants Mike Williams will want to get ahead of the Vikes. The Titans have so many needs, they can fall down to #9 with Redskins, #10 with Detroit, or #12 with San Diego and STILL get what they need. They need a corner, Pac Man Jones will probably be available if they drop down.
Anyway, staying put, the Titans will take the best corner on the board, Antrel Rolle.
BTW-- Many people think the Redskins will take a corner, rumors in DC have them taking Derrick Johnson or DE Shaun Merriman. With the loss of Pierce and the 'issues' with Arrington, I wouldn't be surprised Deriick Johnson taken off the board at the #9 spot.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #14 on: Apr 19th, 2005, 3:51am » |
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The 15th overall pick (1st round - chiefs).
Chiefs have to go defense.
And this was one of the TOUGHEST picks to make because of the amount of quality players at this spot that could actually fit within the Chief's needs.
Assuming the Chiefs strike a deal for Patrick Surtain or Ty Law (which they will have to in order to get a "ready-to-go corner back at this point), Vermy's biggest need is within the defensive front-7.
They just let go of DE-Vonnie Holiday and their linebacking corps is nothing special.
I could've taken a Tweener OLB/DE at this spot to fill such needs at LB and DE - such as Pollack - who I also think is athletic enough to fill in at ILB (another big need) - also DeMarcus Ware, another tweener, that would be a great fit - even Erasmus James & Dan Cody could fit into this spot and play LB or DE.
BUT seeing that the Chiefs spent a 1st rounder 2 drafts ago on Ryan Sims - their underachieving & over-payed DT -and that Eric Hicks - their LDE who is getting up there in age - they need someone who could take reps at the Tackle and End spot on the defensine line.
Marcus Spears is a classic 3-4 DE or a left sided DE in a 4-3 front that could provide relief for both starting DEs on the edge as well as on the "inside" as a penetrating Tackle on passing downs.
Hes also stout and strong enough to hold up magnificently against the run which was one of the Chief's sore spots on "D" last season.
In addition, seeing that Ryan Sims hasn't been operating up to par - getting a consistent "in the trenches" terror such as Marcus Spears - who played for Nick Saban at LSU - Vermeil has got to be confident that this guy can contribute immediately and significantly improve his malnourished defense.
Which is important since Vermeil needs to win now.
Whereas taking a DE/OLB tweener and having the player learn a new position at linebacker probably isn't the instantaneous contribution the Chiefs need at this point on a defense that finished LAST in the AFC in 2004.
Food for thought :
Bill Belichick, head coach of the NE Patsies, has been drafting Saban's players for a LONG time now. Spears should be another one of those "can't miss" kind of guys.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #16 on: Apr 19th, 2005, 10:52am » |
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on Apr 19th, 2005, 8:53am, Philly wrote:| I agree... I watched some more tape on Spears last night and the guy is a monster athlete for someone his size. . I think he is versatile enough to use at any position on the line and can also drop back in coverage (remember, he started out as a TE at LSU). |
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The versatility in this draft is awesome! You draft one guy and its like filling 2 needs.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #19 on: Apr 19th, 2005, 8:56pm » |
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The Skins just traded for the 25th pick in the draft from the Broncos.
Skins are idiots!!! Why trade for a pick 4 days before the draft when you have no idea who will be on the board? More importantly, they gave up a 3rd rounder this year, their 2006 first rounder, and 2006 4th rounder. Rumor is they are going to package the 9th and 25th pick to move up in the draft. My bet is a team high the draft would rather have the 9th overall, plus the Skins 3rd round, and first next year, and 4th next year.
If they do not have another deal in place then I would just chalk this up as another dumb ass move by the Redskins organization. THis all occuring on the same day that Vinny Cerrato says the Skins are staying put in the 9th slot and Joe Gibbs saying they may move up or down.
Oh yea, all this happening from a team that has like 5 picks this year.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #22 on: Apr 20th, 2005, 9:22am » |
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on Apr 19th, 2005, 8:56pm, DirkDiggler wrote:The Skins just traded for the 25th pick in the draft from the Broncos.
Skins are idiots!!! Why trade for a pick 4 days before the draft when you have no idea who will be on the board? More importantly, they gave up a 3rd rounder this year, their 2006 first rounder, and 2006 4th rounder. Rumor is they are going to package the 9th and 25th pick to move up in the draft. My bet is a team high the draft would rather have the 9th overall, plus the Skins 3rd round, and first next year, and 4th next year.
Oh yea, all this happening from a team that has like 5 picks this year.
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Dude, my sentiments exactly. What are they thinking?
Anywho,
On to the 19th pick by Mad-Man Martz,
Steg stole my Offensive tackle BUT, truth BEE known, I am not sure I would've taken an OT at this spot anyhow - its a bit of a reach even though, Right tackle is a huge need for the Rams.
They wouldn't be able to pass up an elite prospect at DE if one were left.
And in fact, Pollack was siting pretty right here.
But I am going out on a limb - trying to think like Martz and he is absolutely enamered by SPEED and Mr. Ware not only has blazing 40-times but also, he is one of the most fastest (more speed  ) rising players in this draft.
Martz just can't help himself and nabs him here at the 19th spot.
Another Membraneous infarct I had is that - Martz takes Heath Miller here - since he couldn't get an Offensive Tackle worth value at this spot - and he loves receivers - he could possibly grab Miller here - upgrade his right-sided blocking a bit while at the same time, adding another potetial receiving threat.
(although the Ram's present TEs, Roland Williams & Brandon Manumaleuna, are a better blockers than Heath is at this point - he still needs a TE that could stretch the field).
Lastly, I went with DeMarcus Ware - Martz just can't stand to pass up speed in an area of need.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #23 on: Apr 20th, 2005, 10:32am » |
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Ware is a guy the Cowboys are VERY high on, and they figured he would slip to them at #20. Since he was gone, they went with Shaun Cody. The guy is an undersized DT, but will be a perfect fit at the DE position in the new 3-4 Dallas is putting in. He needs to gain some strength to make it in the NFL, but the guy has some of the best technique you've ever seen for a college kid. He's also smart, coachable, and a hard-worker in practice and games.
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Re: 2005 Mock NFL Draft Huddle Commentary Thread
« Reply #24 on: Apr 20th, 2005, 4:17pm » |
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the #22 pick by the Ravens
All Mocks have Baltimore taking a receiver and rightfully so.
However, Baltimore spent plenty of picks on wide-outs last year and they got alot of value for them in lower rounds - such as Clarence Moore in the 6th via a compensatory pick (a pick awarded to NFL teams who have a net LOSS of Free Agents from the season before).
Baltimore once again will have compensatory picks to use this year. but most importantly, I believe they could get good value at the 53rd spot on a WR like Jerome Mathis or a Chris Henry perhaps.
Pollack is just to good to pass up here for a team that survives on the field with defense!
He can possibly play OLB, ILB and DE.
With the Ravens moving towards a 4-3 defense this season in conjunction with the free agent loss of DE-M.McCary, OLB-Terrell Suggs moving to RDE, OLB-Peter Boulware's questionable comeback from injury and their defense front-7 moving in & out of the 4-3 to the 3-4, Pollack is just what the doctor ordered if Baltimore can find a way to play him.
He has the Ray Lewis type of mentality!!!
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