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Re: GBRFL - Steg moves Holmes!
« Reply #3 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 6:38pm » |
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Interesting take, BW! Obviously, I agree. 
The point of fantasy football is to try to get a bead on what dudes are going to do next year, not tout about what they've done in the past. The latter is just a part of what should be taken into consideration. Actually, Holmes has been just a bit  the last couple seasons and he ain't gettin' any younger. Furthermore, Larry Johnson looked pretty darn good in his place. I think that means, in the least, giving Holmes some extra rest/bench time so as to get him to the playoffs and to a Super Bowl (the winning of which, vis-a-vis individual statistical goals, is, as Holmes confessed when he pondered retiring last offseason, his primary objective at this point in his career) and getting Johnson some further on-the-field experience as they look to the future, at worst, a changing of the guard could take place, especially if Holmes were to go down again in '05.
on Apr 27th, 2005, 7:11pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:| a 2nd rounder (possibly the 13th overall pick) |
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Make that "possibly the 11th overall pick"! 
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Re: GBRFL - Steg moves Holmes!
« Reply #5 on: Apr 29th, 2005, 10:07pm » |
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on Apr 29th, 2005, 4:25pm, junkyardjake wrote:| So long as you make that pick pay off, I think you got the decided advantage. |
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On that quote, I mean note (okay, that was just a bit corny), I see this year's draft, despite our keeping 12 players, as being 15-or-so-deep of first-round (i.e. 13th-round (now, don't get slow on me here, guys)  + rookies) fantasy talent.
I must admit, though,  I do think Holmes is among the league's greatest tailbacks: top-20 or 25 of all-time, I'd venture. I actually think he had been underappreciated before ending up in KC and that one of his most impressive seasons actually was his 13-start, 1268 (combined)-yard campaign back in '98 with the Ravens. 
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Re: GBRFL - Steg moves Holmes!
« Reply #6 on: Apr 29th, 2005, 11:05pm » |
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Quote:| I do think Holmes is among the league's greatest tailbacks: top-20 or 25 of all-time, I'd venture. |
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I think that's quite generous, you'd make a good agent.
Quote:| one of his most impressive seasons actually was his 13-start, 1268 (combined)-yard campaign back in '98 with the Ravens. |
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Actually, it's interesting how unimpressed Bill Billick was with that performance when he started as the Ravens head coach in 1999. Remember, he immediately wanted to install a platoon of Holmes and super-stiff Errict Rhett.
Another thing to remember about that season, and I had to dig into the archives for this, but Holmes actually gained 400 of his 1008 rushing yards against the Bengals in 1998. (3 of his 7 TDs also came in those two games).
How did he fare against the rest of the AFC central in 1998 ? 36 yards per start and 2.8 yards a carry.
So, anyway, I still think alot of Holme's recent success can be attributed to the KC offensive line. Like you mentioned Larry Johnson was hardly a dropoff when Priest was out. To me, it really seems like Marcus Allen could come out of retirement and score 10 TDs in the Chiefs offense.
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Re: GBRFL - Steg moves Holmes!
« Reply #7 on: May 2nd, 2005, 5:27pm » |
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on Apr 29th, 2005, 11:05pm, junkyardjake wrote:| Actually, it's interesting how unimpressed Bill Billick was with that performance when he started as the Ravens head coach in 1999. Remember, he immediately wanted to install a platoon of Holmes and super-stiff Errict Rhett. |
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Yea, right! As I said, I thought he was underappreciated upon entering the league and in his early years! Thanks for making my point! 
Quote:Another thing to remember about that season, and I had to dig into the archives for this, but Holmes actually gained 400 of his 1008 rushing yards against the Bengals in 1998. (3 of his 7 TDs also came in those two games).
How did he fare against the rest of the AFC central in 1998 ? 36 yards per start and 2.8 yards a carry. |
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Well, that math is either a bit off or a bit tendentiously presented. First, he only started 13 games. He only had 7 carries after the first three weeks. Also, in terms of NFL greatness (which, granted, was surely something I brought up), yes, the fact that he had two huge games against one sorry-ass team does matter. But, from a fantasy standpoint, who cares? He might not have had the steadiest of statistical seasons, but numbers are numbers. He won games for fantasy footballers those weeks, for sure, and most of the rest of the weeks (after Week 3) he was at least okay. His '98 stats can be viewed by way of the following link:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/games/HolmPr00.htm#1998.
After Week 3, the only games I would absolutely throw away (remember you can't have it ALL good ALL the time; sometimes you've got to be happy with that 50-or-so-yard game) fantasy-wise are Week 9's, Week 11's, Week 15's and Week 16's. That's a pretty solid fantasy performance in light of the sorry-ass offense he was playing in that year.
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Re: GBRFL - Steg moves Holmes, Lewis, Westbrook!
« Reply #15 on: May 16th, 2005, 10:08pm » |
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Holy bong hits, Batman,  Steg must have gotten his hands on some serious KB...  After trading away Holmes, he's done gone moved Jamal Lewis and Brian Westbrook... All three of his regular starters... gone! What could he be thinking?  ...  ... 
Here's the thread to check it all out:
http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;a ction=display;num=1114555415.
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Re: GBRFL - Steg moves Holmes, Lewis, Westbrook!
« Reply #18 on: May 22nd, 2005, 6:11pm » |
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I too actually think that Jamal will have a superb '05. That just goes to show you how highly I regard what I got in return, mainly the draft picks as I see Martin coming back down to his usual 1,150 to 1,300 (combined), 8-to-11 touchdown (combined) season next year, which, mind you, is solid, but not "blue chip" like he was last year.
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