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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #3 on: Dec 18th, 2005, 10:24pm » |
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on Dec 18th, 2005, 10:03pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:| I think he'll be a Jet. At least that is what my gut says. |
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Damn...  Great minds think alike...  That's what my gut says, too. I don't know how that's going to go down. But, that's what I've been thinking. San Fran really doesn't make sense, Houston even less so, JYJ. Either would be well advised to (do the opposite to the age-old adage and) give up the pick for the farm, hopefully garnering a few BIG cows they can throw on their o-line in the process.
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #7 on: Dec 20th, 2005, 3:31pm » |
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on Dec 20th, 2005, 9:01am, junkyardjake wrote:| assuming they aren't ready to give up on David Carr. |
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And, they sure shouldn't... If they do, that would be a REAL shame... 
on Dec 20th, 2005, 11:34am, DirkDiggler wrote:That was a mistype. In looking at the context, it should have read, "that is what my GUT says too." in response to Barnaby's Gut.
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NO, REALLY, I meant my "guy"...  ...      
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No, really, what he said...  It's been edited accordingly. 
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #11 on: Jan 5th, 2006, 4:22pm » |
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Personally, with the way the Falcons have done under Michael Vick, the player I suppose Vince Young is most comparable to, I think NOT! Furthermore, I've heard that the mechanics of Young's (exagerrated side-arm???) delivery will NOT fly in the NFL and will need to be totally reworked (correct me if I am wrong with this; I know Bernie Kosar, who had MUCH success in the NFL, had a wicked ugly  side-arm delivery and moved like a to boot , but, to me, Young surely does seem to throw the ball weird as hell,  even weirder than Bernie).
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #13 on: Jan 5th, 2006, 5:50pm » |
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And if LenDale White didn't get stuffed on 4th and 1 with 2:00 left in the game, we'd all still be talking about Reggie Bush and his crazy endzone dive for a TD or Matt Leinart and his outstanding start to the second half.
Vince Young definitely is a better passer than Vick, even with his delivery. He gets away with it at Texas because he lines up in the shotgun every play and throws from about 10 yards behind the LOS. In the NFL, that won't fly. He'll need to develop more of an overhand delivery and release the ball above his helmet, not next to it.
Also, there's a question whether or not VY can make all the throws needed in the NFL. He's very accurate, but most of his balls are touch passes. I need to see him really wind up and rifle one. (To be fair, I haven't scouted Young very much beyond the Rose Bowl game.)
Anyway, I still think (barring any trades) that it goes Bush-Leinart-Young. I know the Titans like Young and think he would learn a lot from McNair as his career winds down.
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #15 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 12:51am » |
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on Jan 5th, 2006, 5:50pm, Philly wrote:And if LenDale White didn't get stuffed on 4th and 1 with 2:00 left in the game, we'd all still be talking about Reggie Bush and his crazy endzone dive for a TD or Matt Leinart and his outstanding start to the second half.
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That's a pretty big IF there Philly!!
Well let me throw my two-cents in here being that I am 1.) from Houston 2.) a huge Texas High School football nut, and 3.) an avid Longhorn fan. Vince Young IS the real deal. He can and has been making throws since Pop Warner. He is smart and level headed and can adapt to any changes neccesary. I have been watching him since his late Junior High days and I can tell you he has always been a man among boys...smarter, faster, bigger, more athletic, poised, etc. the list goes on and on. The man has more hardware on his shelf from his high school days than any Texas kid anywhere from any era. He has been winning his entire life!! The greatest thing about him is that He himself believes he can't be stopped. Call it arrogance if you will...I call it confidence. Now...the talk around town is that he want's to come out if it's Houston. All the local media pressure is on Bob McNair now with this question. He cannot just ignore it. Yes they will likely take Bush and maybe even should...but not everyone in the nation believes that Bush was the clear cut Heisman winner. About 3/4 of Houston's and surrounding area's 3 plus million people believe that Young was the man. Young carried Texas almost single-handedly(like the nation just saw). Bush, Leinart, and White all could make a case at USC. Let me remind you that it is those same few million Young fans that will fill the seats at Reliant Stadium. Yes indeed, Bob is listening.
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #16 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 12:54am » |
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on Jan 5th, 2006, 6:09pm, DUKE0313 wrote:Young can deliver passes with "zip" when he needs to, and several QB's have had to improve their passing styles upon moving to the NFL. I don't think it will be a major hindrance for him.
Don't get me wrong, I much prefer a Marino-style QB to Michael Vick and the like. I just think that with Young being from Houston...well, it very well could affect the draft!!! Could Houston be tempted to take Young at #1, or would they be willing to trade down to try and get him at #3 or #4? Young's performance over the last two season's definitely make him worthy of the #1...and it never hurts to be a hometown hero! Just some things that are well worth considering... |
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Boy Duke ...you could be a Texan with that insight!!  You ARE right on the money friend. That is the banter that has been going on in Houston all year. That very banter has increased to a ROAR after his Rose Bowl performance.
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #17 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 6:11am » |
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Well,... I'll be... Who'd a thunk it?  Plucked right off "The REAL Feed":
Would Texans Now Consider Young for No. 1 Pick?
LA Times: Sports (05.01.2006 23:51)
With its last-second victory over USC in the Rose Bowl, the University of Texas not only changed the pecking order at the top of college football, but also, perhaps, at the top of the NFL draft.
The L.A. Times ain't got nothin' on "the Gridiron"!!!  Could Sam Farmer be lookin'  in on our show...???  Good job, Dukester! 
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 11:16am » |
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on Jan 6th, 2006, 7:35am, steelkings wrote:| If you guys think that replacing David Carr with Young is gonna solve anything in Houston its flat wrong. |
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If you think Carr has more talent than Young then you have not been watching...that fact alone helps in the equation. Nobody said anything about solving anything immediately, only working towards a solution. I'd take Young over Carr anyday of the week. Steps..... baby steps!
Quote:| They invested a ton of time in Carr and Davis, but they never really gave them a fair shake to make it. |
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You said a mouthfull there. They invested a ton of time and never gave them a fair shake ?? Doesn't the fact that they invested a "ton" of their time in them actually suggest that they were givin' a fair shake? That fair shake actually applies more to Carr than DD. With that little tidbit alone, it makes even more sense to go Young than Bush.
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You can pick any QB and RB in the NFL now and put them behind that O-line and you get the same result. Putting Young or Bush on that team without immeadiate help up front will get them the same result. In fact it could ruin them. |
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I didn't think I needed to state the obvious...but sir you are right. I'm not completely sure about the ruining them part......... but generally speaking..yup!
All I am saying here, is that in my hometown of Houston...there has been a stirring about Vince since way before the Heisman..way before the Rose bowl...and even before the season started. He is a hometown hero here and that love for him only grew after his Rose Bowl performance. With the obvious goal of filling every seat in an NFL stadium with a butt....Young could easily help Houston do that...winning aside. Point in case...much like the Astros grabbing Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, and Andy Pettit. The Rockets with Clyde Drexler and Hakeem Olajuwon (UH product). Not only do you grab a solid player..but you also stir up the hometown faithful, and trust me here...Houston is such a melting pot of transfers from everywhere that it is hard to get actual Houstonians out to see and support any team fielded. However, when you put a local kid out there (like Young)...the locals are faithful and will fill the stands..win or lose. That is just the way it is in Houston...has been since I was a kid and has never changed in my 42 years
and to put the exclamation point on what I am saying here....most Houston locals want to see Wade Phillips as head coach.....and why??? Son of  Bum..'nuff said!
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #21 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 3:29pm » |
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on Jan 6th, 2006, 11:16am, MordecaiCourage wrote:| If you think Carr has more talent than Young then you have not been watching...that fact alone helps in the equation. Nobody said anything about solving anything immediately, only working towards a solution. I'd take Young over Carr anyday of the week. Steps..... baby steps! |
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That's the kind of bold statement that can come back and haunt  you, brother...
Quote:| You said a mouthfull there. They invested a ton of time and never gave them a fair shake ?? |
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While I definitely get the logic you are trying to impose, MC,... and it is a solid chess move, I am pretty sure these two characteristics of a situation do not necessarily mutually exclude one another. 
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #22 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 4:35pm » |
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The Texans (Charlie Casserly) is already on record stating that he intends to give Carr the bonus in March, thereby kicking in the extension to his contract.
Also, Chris Mortensen on ESPN Radio (Dan Patrick) today indicated that he gets the impression that the Texans do not have any interest in Young. And I agree that they shouldn't.
David Carr is NOT a bad QB who needs to be replaced. He's still young and has a better arm than Young and is plenty mobile for the NFL. (Those of you who think Young will run around like he does in college in the NFL, think again -- especially with the line that Houston has.)
Reggie Bush is a special player, period. The Texans will not go wrong if they select him. However, they would be best served by looking to trade the pick to a team who wants (needs) to jump up and get one of the big three. They already own New Orleans' 3rd round pick (the second overall in the round) and some more early picks to help improve their O-line would be critical to their improvement. There are a lot of quality offensive tackles this year and I can't ever remember a better group of centers available. There's even decent depth at DT, another need for the Texans.
So Houston fans need to really think about how badly you want Vince Young... If you draft him, you've set your franchise back even further than it already is.
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Re: Reggie Bush has made it official...
« Reply #23 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 4:40pm » |
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on Jan 6th, 2006, 12:54am, MordecaiCourage wrote:
Boy Duke ...you could be a Texan with that insight!! You ARE right on the money friend. That is the banter that has been going on in Houston all year. That very banter has increased to a ROAR after his Rose Bowl performance.
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Why thank you M/C...that's the highest compliment a person could receive! In fact, I AM a TEXAN!!! From "BIG D"...home of the 8 time NFC and 5 time World Champion DALLAS COWBOYS!
Sorry if I started a ruckus, I didn't mean to suggest what Houston should or would do with their first pick. I just thought that the scenario made for a very interesting situation. Vince Young in a Texans uniform would definitely fill a lot of stadium seats.
Lotsa time between now and draft day...should be quite intriguing!
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