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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #3 on: Jan 5th, 2006, 9:58pm » |
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Alright, i am ready for next year now with Mel Kiper-Philly style.  Just a couple thoughts though. I think when all is said and done with the combines and all that ... Leinart moves down outta the top 3. I think Santonio could turn out in the top 5. Didn't Virginia have a O-lineman that was supposed to be a top-top pick?
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #10 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 4:17pm » |
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DeAngelo Williams, the player who didn't want to start against a tough Tennessee defense and ended up getting benched for the game by his coach? I left him out of the first round intentionally. I think he'll slide right out of the first round this year, regardless of how many records he's broken. Remember how Steven Jackson, Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and Julius Jones slid a couple years ago? That could happen to Williams this year.
As for LenDale White, I think he'll declare. Word is that he isn't on solid footing academically at USC anyway. He'll be a definite first rounder and I'll likely move him up some more as a result of the Rose Bowl effort. I personally would love to see him stay because he'd break all the TD records (I think he had like 55 coming into the Rose Bowl in three years) and be a serious Heisman candidate without sharing the limelight with Reggie Bush. He'd probably throw up a 1500-2000 yard season with 25-30 TDs and earn a top 5 grade in the process (a grade he doesn't currently have).
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #12 on: Jan 6th, 2006, 4:41pm » |
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on Jan 6th, 2006, 4:34pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:| Yeah, but if White comes out this year, he can play for a team like New England, Carolina, or Pittsburgh, instead of a bottom 5 team in 07. |
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I'd guess LenDale White is a bit more interested in the extra $10+ million he'd get in a signing bonus by being top 5 instead of top 25 pick...
Plus, if he waits until next year to declare, and there's no salary cap (or rookie salary pool) to deal with, he could break the bank as high draft picks really stand to benefit the most from the lack of an extenstion to the CBA.
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #14 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 12:07am » |
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on Jan 6th, 2006, 5:07pm, junkyardjake wrote:
 He had a sprained ankle for that game, that's pretty harsh. |
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He had a mildly sprained ankle, one that wasn't going to keep him from playing. He told the coach that he thought he'd be better coming off the bench instead of starting. The coach told him that if he wasn't good enough to start, then he wouldn't play at all. Williams bowed out after that. I just found the whole thing pretty weak.
Quote:| And all the accolades he's earned aside, didn't Williams more than make up for that with 230 yards and 3 TDs in the Motor City Bowl ? |
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230 and 3 sure looks nice, and is a good effort, without a doubt, but let's consider who he played... Akron's defense is not good against the run.
Quote:| I think Williams, at worst, doesn't make past pick#15 in April. |
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He'll have to do something amazing, like run in the 4.3s at the Combine or run for 200+ at the Senior Bowl in order to get into the top half of the first round (in my opinion). But that's the great thing about the draft... no one really knows what's going to happen -- not even the NFL GMs.
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #15 on: Jan 7th, 2006, 1:30am » |
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Quote:| Remember how Steven Jackson, Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and Julius Jones slid a couple years ago? That could happen to Williams this year. |
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btw Philly, I forgot to mention this in my previous message, but I don't quite understand this comparison. Jackson, Perry and Kevin Jones were all first rounders (albeit, I guess at lower spots than projected?), and Julius Jones was considered a reach in the 2nd round.
Quote:| 230 and 3 sure looks nice, and is a good effort, without a doubt, but let's consider who he played... Akron's defense is not good against the run. |
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Granted, Williams played in a weak conference, so I guess you could extend that agrument to his entire season. However, LT also played in a weak conference, and he turned out pretty much as advertised. (btw, I'm not saying that I think Williams is as good as Tomlinson, but I don't think he's that far off).
Quote:| He'll have to do something amazing, like run in the 4.3s at the Combine or run for 200+ at the Senior Bowl in order to get into the top half of the first round (in my opinion). |
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I don't think Williams is capable of running a 4.3 (isn't he clocked at like high 4's- 4.5?), but he shouldn't have to. He's arguably rated as the #2 back after Bush, so conversely, I think he would have to really blow it in the next 4 months to get knocked out of the first round.
Also, concerning Laurence Maroney, he's the guy that I personally think is overrated. In fact you can make a case for both Williams and LenDale White being drafted before him. He seems like a talented player, but he's a bit on the small side, and also has below-average receiving skills.
I think if the Jets go with a runningback at #4, it will more than likely be Williams, and I wouldn't mind White either.
What do you like so much about Maroney? 
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #16 on: Jan 11th, 2006, 2:59pm » |
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on Jan 7th, 2006, 1:30am, junkyardjake wrote:| btw Philly, I forgot to mention this in my previous message, but I don't quite understand this comparison. Jackson, Perry and Kevin Jones were all first rounders (albeit, I guess at lower spots than projected?), and Julius Jones was considered a reach in the 2nd round. |
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Yes, they were first rounders, but there were many who thought that Jackson, Perry, and KJones were all possible top 10 backs. I distinctly remember how surprised Kiper & Co. were that Jackson was still available as late as he was...
Quote:| What do you like so much about Maroney? |
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I think he's a poor man's Shaun Alexander. He's got nice speed (although he's not the fastest, as you mentioned) and he runs well between the tackles. However, since you asked the question... I went back and reviewed some film of both Williams and Maroney, and I have to admit that I was swayed towards Williams. Maroney really had a much better line to work with where Williams really needed to create on his own. Also, Maroney didn't carry the load as Gary Russell took a big chunk of it from him. All that being said, I like Maroney better than Marion Barber III, who has enjoyed some (limited) success in the NFL already.
Either way, I think that they both slip towards the end (or out) of the first round. Same deal with Brian Calhoun who is in the same tier of backs as Maroney and Williams.
I think Bush goes first, LenDale White goes second (among backs, not overall), and then there will be a run on the other positions for the rest of the round.
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #20 on: Jan 11th, 2006, 3:58pm » |
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on Jan 11th, 2006, 3:35pm, sameoldsameold wrote:| WHere is elvis Dumerville i see him as a 1st rounder easily? I know it is easy to judge after the fact but what are your thoughts on dumerville? I think he will be a great player in the NFL. |
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I like Elvis Dumervil's effort, but I don't think he's a first round player. He's too much of a tweener. He's not big enough to be an ideal 4-3 DE and he's nowhere near fast enough or good enough in coverage to be a 3-4 OLB. He might have to be used as a 3-4 ILB (kinda like a Tedy Bruschi type). He did most of his damage in the first half of the year and disappeared at the end. In his first 7 games he had 20.5 TFL (19 sacks). Over his last 5 games he had a TOTAL of 1.5 TFL (1 sack). He did most of his damage against the likes of Kentucky, North Carolina, and Florida Atlantic. The only decent opponent he did well against was Oregon St (game 2 - before things got better for OSU) but Louisville built up such a big lead that OSU had to abandon the run which allowed Elvis to get after the QB every play.
If Marcus Vick didn't do a Riverdance on Elvis's knee in the bowl game, no one would have even mentioned him as he finished with 2 tackles (1 solo).
So, you'll see that his numbers, impressive as they are, are inflated. Against the better opponents (and some bad ones in Pitt & Syracuse), he was shut down completely.
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Re: Philly's First Gridiron Mock NFL Draft of 06
« Reply #21 on: Jan 11th, 2006, 4:30pm » |
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Cutler : it will be interesting to see if your right on this guy!
Also, I will be excited to read more about him per your advice! Thanks!
For an early prediction - and I say this BEEcause I am 3 months BEEhind on my rookie coverage right now,
but,
I think we might see another center sneak into the first round this year as did Chris Spencer in 05 with the Seahawks.
Per the emergence of the 3-4 defense in the NFL, Centers are now asked to hold off HUGE stud-like mountain Nose Tackles while protecting against the interior pass rush.
After what I witnessed this past season, ie: Minnesota, Green Bay, Oakland with Grove on the injury bench, the Jets also come to mind etc etc.................
........centers are becoming a BIG deal - in contrast to the past where they were always considered "last" man on the offensive line.
So far from what I see, this is a pretty strong center draft.
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I'll be shocked if he stays at USC. 
, but don't forget about D'Angelo Williams
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. It will be interesting to see if that changes your mock draft.