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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #3 on: Apr 26th, 2006, 8:48pm » |
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Ok, first, I really appreciate the efforts! I think its fantastic that we have someone on here who takes their time to share with us their mock draft and one that I might emphasize,
appears to have taken some time and great effort to construct!
Thanks Philster!
However, I thnik the Texans, trading away the BEST athlete in sports away in order to move down to REACH for 2 tackles,
is not their style. They are an organization that doesn't gamble too much when it comes down to draft time.
Both Justice and & Winston are REACHers at those spots.
in fact, you have Colledge being taken too high as well. If anyhting along the offensive line is going to be taken too early, I believe it will be the interior men : centers and guards; but, not tackles,
Thanks again Philly!
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #4 on: Apr 26th, 2006, 9:54pm » |
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Nice job, Jeff...  Surely some thought went into this...
Again, this is really not my forte, so it's not really for me to comment on, so I will only speak for my Broncos.
...Well,... actually,... given a second look,... and in light of the fact that I have always had a nose for assessing running backs, including with respect to the NFL Draft, I am going to comment on where you have them falling... because,... well,... I don't think you have one dead on.
First, my Broncos,... while I do think that Jim might have been on to something regarding the Ricky rumors, Ricky would make sense in the Broncos system, I strongly believe that they are NOT looking to a running back, at least not with their first pick overall, and if they were, I think it would be Maroney that they would take, not the 5'9" speedster Williams, and the comparison to Clarett is not well-founded on various levels. From what little I've seen, Maroney is the one who reminds me of T.D.
The rest...
Reggie will go first, but it will, anti-climactically, be to the Texans.
While I can see the Giants going tailback, with Tiki to mentor, it seems like Williams is a good fit there.
I do not see the Panthers going running back. Now, Maroney (or whomever) to the Jaguars right behind them, that makes some sense.
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But,... hey,... I'm just giving a "macro"  perspective at this one position. I really don't know squat to any degree of detail when it comes to this. 
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #5 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 1:11am » |
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on Apr 26th, 2006, 9:54pm, StegRock wrote:| First, my Broncos,... while I do think that Jim might have been on to something regarding the Ricky rumors, Ricky would make sense in the Broncos system, I strongly believe that they are NOT looking to a running back, at least not with their first pick overall, and if they were, I think it would be Maroney that they would take, not the 5'9" speedster Williams, and the comparison to Clarett is not well-founded on various levels. From what little I've seen, Maroney is the one who reminds me of T.D. |
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Just a philosophical point of clarification... Many of you may be aware that I have Ron Dayne in the GBRFL and, in any event, have been a long-time Dayne apologist (as per http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/stegeman/dayne.htm). Remember, though,... it is NOT that I think the way I do now because I have him on my roster and plan to keep him; quite the contrary, it is because I think the way I do, that I have him on my roster and plan to keep him. Whether I am right or wrong is another issue. The point is the proof I proffer is in the pudding. It's not mere rhetoric, and that is an important distinction to make... in life in general.  
Anyway, moving right along...
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #6 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 10:16am » |
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The rumor du jour is that Reggie Bush is close to a contract agreement with the Texans. If that's the case, I have him slotted correctly, but with the wrong team now. If I were calling the shots in Houston, I would trade out of the #1 spot. There will be suitors. Houston has a number of needs, bookend tackles at the top of the list. As amazing as Bush is, the Texans don't need him.
Projecting RBs is fairly difficult this year. I think that Williams will go before Maroney. (A scout I've talked to says that Williams reminds him a lot of a guy named Tomlinson who plays in the NFL already.) I like Maroney and see him going in the 20s somewhere. I think it's not impossible that White slides to the end of the first (or out of it completely) despite the fact that he's an obvious talent.
Offensive line is another difficult one to project. Last fall, many were excited at just how deep this draft was going to be--specifically at interior line--but also at tackle. Some of those tackles seem to have dropped (with the exception of D'Brick and Justice). Daryn Colledge is a Matt Light/Matt Lepsis type who will excel in pass-pro initially and need to grow some to be more effective as a run blocker. He handled Mathias Kiwanuka without trouble when he faced him in the bowl game this year. He's handled everyone he's faced so far. I think he's this year's Logan Mankins. Just a hunch on my part. On the interior, only Mangold and (maybe) Jean-Gilles are first round possibilities at this point.
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #7 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 3:16pm » |
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Please understand that what I am going to say here comes from the philosopher in me...
on Apr 27th, 2006, 10:16am, Philly wrote:| The rumor du jour is that Reggie Bush is close to a contract agreement with the Texans. If that's the case, I have him slotted correctly, but with the wrong team now. If I were calling the shots in Houston, I would trade out of the #1 spot. There will be suitors. Houston has a number of needs, bookend tackles at the top of the list. As amazing as Bush is, the Texans don't need him. |
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I could not AGREE with you more. I think they are in an AWESOME position to really capitalize and work to make their team better overall by working on other aspects of their team like o-line. I would even go as far as to say that Bush's going to Houston could end up being terrible for both Bush and the Texans. I could see his career getting stunted, the Texans continuing to flounder, which would put David Carr's career in jeopardy, and Domanick Davis's once bright future getting ruined.  What a potential mess...
Anyway, the (potential) problem (I see) with your analysis is that I wonder how much your list represents what you think should happen (even if you are right), especially since you do it right off the bat, probably incorrectly as is apparently coming to bear in that case.
Anyway, you do find support for your speculation that the Panthers will go running back if given the opportunity in The Sports Network's mock draft which I posted on the "General Draft Discussion" thread here "between the 20's". For whatever reason, I just see it oppositely. They just extended Foster's contract. They just last year took Eric Shelton who is chomping at the bit for his opportunity. Nick Goings is a decent back, and they have Brad Hoover, who's shown he can get the job done in a pinch, in the wings. I just can't believe they don't have greater needs. To bring this around full-circle, it seems like if they go running back, at least in Round 1, they'd be making a mistake similar/analogous to the one we both see the Texans making as discussed above.
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #8 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 9:15pm » |
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on Apr 27th, 2006, 10:16am, Philly wrote:| The rumor du jour is that Reggie Bush is close to a contract agreement with the Texans. If that's the case, I have him slotted correctly, but with the wrong team now. If I were calling the shots in Houston, I would trade out of the #1 spot. There will be suitors. Houston has a number of needs, bookend tackles at the top of the list. As amazing as Bush is, the Texans don't need him. |
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I couldn't DISAGREE with you AND anyone else who aspires to THIS philosophy anymore than I have ever disagreed with anyone on anything.
Bush can make ANY TEAM's OLINE better WITHOUT adding talent.
See LT2 & the San Diego Chargers for THAT specific NFL example.
He is a once in a lifetime player. You just don't throw talent around like this to pick up other players who can be taken in later rounds.
Talk about Texans needing more than ONE player to fill needs.
BUSH would be the BEST WR in this draft. He'd be a TOP 5 PICK as WIDE RECEIVER in this draft.
Thats 2 positions : RB & WR.
Now theres RS - return specialist.
And, he could punt.
Thats 3 positions filled with taking ONE player. (emergency punter makes 4)
Case closed.
Quote:| Projecting RBs is fairly difficult this year. I think that Williams will go before Maroney. (A scout I've talked to says that Williams reminds him a lot of a guy named Tomlinson who plays in the NFL already.) I like Maroney and see him going in the 20s somewhere. I think it's not impossible that White slides to the end of the first (or out of it completely) despite the fact that he's an obvious talent. |
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Maroney can block. DeAngelo hasn't really shown that. RBs that can NOT block in the NFL
wind up as 3rd down backs.
Besides, lets give credit wher credit is due here. If you really believe that comparison to LT2 then, lets shine some light on JYJ who LONG AGO mentioned that same sentence in conjunction w/ DeAngelo Williams -
Anyhow, I truly enjoy changing wits with you Philly,
keep up the great work! 
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #14 on: Apr 29th, 2006, 12:43am » |
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on Apr 27th, 2006, 9:15pm, KillerKingSting wrote:Talk about Texans needing more than ONE player to fill needs.
BUSH would be the BEST WR in this draft. He'd be a TOP 5 PICK as WIDE RECEIVER in this draft.
Thats 2 positions : RB & WR.
Now theres RS - return specialist.
And, he could punt.
Thats 3 positions filled with taking ONE player. (emergency punter makes 4)
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Case closed based on that... While you are, of course, free to disagree with the take (it's not really a hill I'm willing to die on, mind you), I fail to see how this line of reasoning above gets you anywhere. It has no bearing on the reality of the matter. Bush will play running back in the NFL. That's that. He has no positional value outside that. Return specialist,... YIKES! Actually, it is, in a way, the flip-side that bears a closer resemblance to reality... His being the talent that he is is precisely the reason why he will NOT have any value as a return man as there is NO WAY they'd risk his getting injured returning punts or kickoffs. ... Anyway, besides that, the one crucial position I do not see listed is offensive lineman, but that would cause a recursive loop as it is he himself who he would need to block for.  Of course, we now know this all to be moot... 
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #15 on: May 1st, 2006, 7:13pm » |
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on Apr 29th, 2006, 12:43am, StegRock wrote:
Case closed based on that... While you are, of course, free to disagree with the take (it's not really a hill I'm willing to die on, mind you), I fail to see how this line of reasoning above gets you anywhere. |
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Why wouldn't it get me anywhere? because the Texans failed to draft the best player available in the draft?
Nah
Quote:| It has no bearing on the reality of the matter. Bush will play running back in the NFL. That's that. |
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Wow. For someone who claims to think "outside" the box - this is NOT a reflection of that particular virtue.
Wrong again. He'll be much more than a RB. Coaches, GMs, Talent evaluators, Scouts, former players turned Media men - all know and advertise this.
Quote:| He has no positional value outside that. Return specialist,... YIKES! Actually, it is, in a way, the flip-side that bears a closer resemblance to reality... His being the talent that he is is precisely the reason why he will NOT have any value as a return man as there is NO WAY they'd risk his getting injured returning punts or kickoffs. |
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I could use your philosophy against you. Putting Bush in as a fulltime back - could certainly cause him more propensity for injury than RS.
He'll be a return specialist - a running back - a wide receiver.
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #16 on: May 2nd, 2006, 3:00am » |
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on May 1st, 2006, 7:13pm, KillerKingSting wrote:Why wouldn't it get me anywhere? because the Texans failed to draft the best player available in the draft?
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Quote:I could use your philosophy against you. Putting Bush in as a fulltime back - could certainly cause him more propensity for injury than RS.
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In the long, we'll see how the percentage breakdowns pan out... I think it will definitely be closer to 1%, 98%, 1% than to 33%, 34%, 33%, respectively.
As for using my reasoning against me,... you must remember the idea behind my reasoning is that he'd be put in unnecessary extra harm's way. If he's a full-time tailback, which is what he will be (in the end, at least), that's his role. Anything else amounts to unnecessary extra exposure, especially if it's in the return game, where we all know it's akin to running the gaunlet. Punt returning, in particular, is a nightmare. 
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #22 on: May 3rd, 2006, 11:34pm » |
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ok,
just so I got this straight here,
both Barn-a-bee and Philly are saying that,
of all the VERY FEW and FAR inBEEtween players that were NEEDLES in the hay stack in later rounds of the draft,
Ganther is going to be one of those (as compared to Brady??) players,
right?
BEEcause otherwise,
Philly's reasoning for the Titans drafting Ganther was primarily for the fail-safe plan of taking over LenDale's production,,,,,,
feel free to set this BEE in the righteous DIrection 
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Re: Philly's Final 2006 Mock
« Reply #23 on: May 4th, 2006, 6:39am » |
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on May 3rd, 2006, 11:16pm, BarnabyWilde wrote:Read this Stinger:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=1107
There are some players who had nice NFL careers who were drafted in the 7th round (or later):
Shannon Sharpe-7th round
Ernest Byner-10th round
Karl Mecklenberg- 12th round
Mark Clayton-8th round
And a few 6th rounders have had or are having nice careers, guys like Terrell Davis, oh yeah, and some guy names Tom Brady.  |
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By the way, superb article on the importance of the later rounds of the NFL draft. 
There are a couple of guys in my league, specifically speaking, Duke  and Tux  , who REALLY NEED to READ this article.
As they believe that, past the 2nd or 3rd round of our rookie draft, that being approx. 30 picks/players, are useless.
Tremendous article. Thank you Barn-a-bee!
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