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Submitting Lineups for the NEW EXTENDED Week 17!!!
« on: Dec 27th, 2005, 10:59pm » |
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Okay, boyz... Each of you, go get yourself a nice cup of coffee or tea, something that will help you stay awake and concentrate, NOT beer  or weed  because I don't need a bunch of drunks and stoners sittin' behind their computers readin' this,  and make yourself comfortable, but in an upright position, and give this thing a GOOD READ!!!
As you all should remember, the rule to extend the final week of the season, the "Bumper Week", through the (whole) post-season (making it so it officially commences Week 17 and potentially ends at the end of conclusion of the Pro Bowl) was ratified by vote by the league at the Summer Meeting and Draft (link to official results: http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/cgi-bin/theGridiron/YaBB.cgi?board=53;a ction=display;num=1122167881).
So, here we are at its first-ever implementation... My first word to the wise, PLEASE peruse this post THOROUGHLY and CAREFULLY before formulating questions. A premature, to the degree that it is un"informed", question can complicate matters, matters which, mind you, are VERY simple. Any question you (might) have is likely answered herein. Let's not complicate this... Think it through...  as you read this,... when you go to submit your lineup. This is NOT difficult, but can be made difficult if you are not paying fairly close attention to what you are doing. It's all very "commonsensical" and logical. My second word to the wise, do NOT leave submitting your lineup to the very last minute. Take time to think it through and make sure you got it right, i.e. make sure your input matches your intention. If you put due diligence into submitting your lineup, I guarantee that it will take you at least 20 minutes. ... This is an exciting time. Let's not ruin it with unnecessary "complications" (in every sense of the word)!
Now, as for the specifics,...
This rule applies to ALL positions, including PK's and DU's!!! HOWEVER, do remember that, as was explicated ad nauseam this past season, the "cascading" principle still does NOT apply to PK's (this doesn't matter for DU's because WHOLE defensive units/special teams don't get injured). See below.***
The pattern of designations that I want you all to use when inputting your lineup so as to keep this easy on Jamie (GBRFL2) and me are as follows: Super Bowl or SB, Conference Championship or CC, Divisional Round or DR, Wild-Card Round or WR, Pro Bowl or PB, and Week 17 or W17. If no particular game is indicated, Week 17 will be assumed. Furthermore, I want you guys to indicate these designations in parentheses (as you will see illustrated below) as I think that will be the clearest way to do so. PLEASE go about inputting your lineups "thought"fully, "coniderate"ly and "care"fully so that you do not make a mess that Jamie and I have to spend (inordinate amounts of) time cleaning up, i.e. deciphering. PLEASE do not try to input your lineup in "shorthand"... lest you run the risk of its being incorrectly processed!
You canNOT use any one player more than once, i.e. in more than one game. Your highest/topmost choice as per your lineup submission for any one player is what is used and then it drops down to the next player on your lineup list. Let's look a maximally exagerrated, but nevertheless quite possible, example of a lineup submission:
(Lineup for QB's)
Carson Palmer (Super Bowl), Carson Palmer (Conference Championship), Carson Palmer (Divisional Round), Carson Palmer (Wild-Card Round), Carson Palmer (Pro Bowl), Carson Palmer (Week 17)
David Carr ...
A few scenarios: if Palmer does not play in the Super Bowl, but plays in the Conference Championship, you would get Palmer's numbers for the Conference Championship game and then (it would drop down to) Carr's; if Palmer plays in and the Bengals do not advance beyond the Wild-Card Round, you would get those numbers for Palmer and (it would) then (drop down to) Carr; if Palmer plays Week 17, but incurs an injury that prevents him from playing in the post-season at all, you would get Palmer's week 17 stats and then... Follow? It's NOT difficult.
Let's look at another similar example (that's a little ridiculous, but one that brings out a couple important fine points):
(Lineup for QB's)
Jake Plummer (SB), Jake Plummer (CC), Jake Plummer (PB)*, Jake Plummer (W17), Jake Plummer (DR), Jake Plummer (WR)**...
*Plummer was not even named to the Pro Bowl, BUT, in the same (speculative) spirit of listing guys in playoff games that they may not play in, if someone believes that Plummer has a chance of going to the Pro Bowl as an alternate, that owner is welcome to list that possibility. If he does not play in the Pro Bowl, that inclusion would obviously be ignored if it "came down" to it (figuratively and literally).
**This is evidently a mistake. Plummer and the Broncos are not slated to play Wild-Card weekend. Again, if it "came down" to this option, it would just be skipped. As regards the Wild-Card Round, Jake Plummer "does not exist".
Just one more quick example:
(Lineup for QB's)
Drew Bledsoe (SB), Drew Bledsoe (WR), *Drew Bledsoe,...
*For that last appearance of Drew Bledsoe in the list, since there is no specific game designation, as I explained above, it would be taken that you mean Drew Bledsoe (Week 17).
Again, just to hammer this in, Dallas is currently not even slated to make the playoffs, but, if you want to use Bledsoe in the playoffs instead of Week 17 if they do, you are, of course, welcome to do so. If Dallas does not make the playoffs, those listings will simply be skipped. The point is that how "things" stand going into Week 17 are not presumed true and, in any event, the GBRFL system takes care of listings that "do not exist", so to speak, i.e., they are ignored.
Now, in all of the aforementioned examples the players are listed consecutively. This, of course, does not have to be the case. You can "mix it up". Let's go straight to a quick example:
(Lineup for QB's)
Charlie Frye (W17), Michael Vick (PB), Ben Roethlisberger (WR), Michael Vick (W17),...
Here, very simply put, it is being indicated that if Michael Vick does not play in the Pro Bowl, you want Ben Roethlisberger's Wild-Card Round stats used over Michael Vick's Week 17 numbers.
In that light, think about the following (more likely) submission:
(Lineup for QB's)
Trent Green (WR), Drew Bledsoe (WR), Kyle Boller (W17), Drew Bledsoe (W17), Trent Green (W17)...
(Insert thought here!)
***As to the situation of PK, let's consider the following situation:
(Lineup for PK)
Jason Elam (Super Bowl), Jason Elam (Conference Championship), Jason Elam (Divisional Round)
...And, that's it! There is no need to list Jason Elam for Week 17 because we KNOW that the Broncos are playing in the Divisional Round and the "cascading" principle does NOT apply to kickers. If the Broncos do not make it to the Super Bowl or Conference Championship, that's another thing. Jason Elam does NOT exist in those games, so it drops down to the next "Jason Elam" on the list. But, if the Broncos make it to, let's say, the Conference Championship, but he has NO GBRFL stats/points, even if the reason is that he got injured (in the Divisional Round game), then you get zero points; it doesn't "cascade" down to the third "Jason Elam". Follow??? Given this unique situation regarding PK's, it may be advisable NOT to roll the dice when it comes to place-kickers and just play them Week 17. But, that's up to you, of course. Just know that this is your WARNING as to how it works! PLEASE let's not make a "mountain" out of the "mole hill" that is place-kickers by not "getting" this.
The one other area of concern might be how to include all this extra information via the current lineup submission form. Remember that none of the text boxes on the page have any limitations or restrictions as to length (or content). So, there are a variety of orderly ways that you can input your players. What I have done is just gone ahead over to the the GBRFLeagues "Guest" lineups page and input a lineup in a "Week 17" way. To be precise, what I have done is submit the SAME EXACT lineup in two different acceptable ways: the (upper) "Game 1" lineup is done in one fashion; the (lower) "Game 2" lineup in another, but they both convey the SAME lineup. I HIGHLY recommend all of you taking a LOOOOONG look at it and thinking through the order this lineup indicates the players are to be employed! To view this, go to the lineups section, http://www.fantasyfootballer.com/line-upssubmissionform.htm, get into the "Guest" area and view the "Current Lineup". DO IT NOW!!! 
Okay, I hope my lengthy presentation here elucidates, and does not itself confuse,  matters. Again, this is NOT difficult. I'm just trying to cover bases here. Just think! Thank you all in advance for doing your best to submit your lineups in a way that complies with the guidelines I've outlined above. 
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Re: Submitting Lineups for the NEW EXTENDED Week 1
« Reply #6 on: Dec 30th, 2005, 12:31pm » |
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Can I do this?
Steve Smith (Pro Bowl, SB, WR, CC), Larry Fitzgerald (Pro Bowl, W17), C Chambers (W17, Pro Bowl), R. Smith (CC, SB, WR).
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Re: Submitting Lineups for the NEW EXTENDED Week 1
« Reply #7 on: Dec 30th, 2005, 2:43pm » |
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on Dec 30th, 2005, 12:31pm, DB wrote:Can I do this?
Steve Smith (Pro Bowl, SB, WR, CC), Larry Fitzgerald (Pro Bowl, W17), C Chambers (W17, Pro Bowl), R. Smith (CC, SB, WR). |
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Yea, I suppose that's fine. My only concern would be that with such a format, since (the pattern is that) you are bunching all the games for each player together, I may just get lulled into that pattern and miss games that are listed separately. I.e., if you went: Steve Smith (Pro Bowl, SB), Larry Fitzgerald (Pro Bowl, W17), C Chambers (W17, Pro Bowl), S. Smith (WR, CC), R. Smith (CC, SB, WR), it would be more likely (though still unlikely) that (in the rush of processing things), if it came down to it, I would miss that second "Steve Smith" group (by accident). So, if you submit a lineup in this type of format, please plan to download the spreadsheet workbook and double-check that I got your lineup right (something everybody should be doing, anyway, if they a) really do enjoy the pastime of fantasy football and b) truly enjoy this league). That should suffice... In any event, thanks for asking first, Dave! I really appreciate that. 
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Re: Submitting Lineups for the NEW EXTENDED Week 1
« Reply #8 on: Dec 30th, 2005, 10:55pm » |
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First of all,
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to everyone! Sorry I haven't been available to post for awhile - I'm at the in-laws on a veeeerrrrrryyyyy sloooooooooooooowwwwww modem. Been here for a week and ready to head home manana.
That having been said - Yes, I done f**ked it up with my rule. Drew Rosenhaus and the Holdouts know there is a long road ahead. But this should be a helluva post-season.
I am still looking to catch Frank, end in a tie and win the tie-breaker. I know that's never been done before but wouldn't it be shocking?
HOLD THE PHONE! Did that happen last year? You bet your sweet ass it did.
Two years in a row, tho? Now that would be like ordering a crap sandwich with a side of phlem.
Feder, I gotta throw down with you. 60-0? Did you forget to put a lineup in? Let me go check....
Nope. Just your same team from 1997. Pull out your DVD collection of the Brady Bunch and find the one where they are all singing at the mall and Peter or Bobby or Alice or whoever the hell it is, is going through puberty. The one where they are singing "...when it's time to change you got to rearrange..."
It's time, Dan. Do some rearranging at the draft.
Steg - just win one, baby (against Frank).
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Re: Submitting Lineups for the NEW EXTENDED Week 1
« Reply #10 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 10:51am » |
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Well,... old Franko,...  ready for some more grey hairs... compliments of the old Stegger  pissin' on your hopes of a championship while you piss away another potential championship run???  ... Anyway, just to insure that you get this right (and don't freak out  OR jack off  for the wrong things),... when you go to view my lineup, REMEMBER that my lineup against you is the second/BOTTOM one. The top one is for my game against the ninth-place team. Got it? (The two are pretty similar, actually, BUT NOT the same!) ...  I, alas, am going to bed.  See yous all on the morrow... I mean... later today. 
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Re: Submitting Lineups for the NEW EXTENDED Week 1
« Reply #11 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 5:04pm » |
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Just a point of clarification for the two dudes playing Dave Trout this week,... I am interpretting his "(all)" as meaning "the farthest game out", i.e. 1) Pro Bowl (I can ONLY suppose this, BUT Hasselbeck in the Pro Bowl is surely NOT the best Hasselbeck option; this is what happens when you force me to have to interpret things, which I try oh, so hard to avoid by elaborating on things like I did above, and in that sense, it makes me SO happy that we decided to incorporate the Pro Bowl as in this case it serves a kind of punitive function for not doing as I kindly and VERY lucidly took a TON of time out of my life to explain), 2) Super Bowl, 3) Conference Championship, 4) Divisional Round, 5) Week 17. Sorry about this, Dave...  But, I'm in kind of an awkward position here, and it canNOT be said that I did not explain what I wanted done VERY clearly above. 
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since the last set of lineups will be submitted by the kickoff of the first game of Week 17 (i.e. by Saturday, December 31st at 4:30 p.m. EST), I don't see why offseason trading cannot commence as usual. "Offseason trades" can start being made potentially as early as once the ball has been kicked off for Week 17, which is when lineups are locked!
OR 
I will now go ahead and turn over the lineups section.
